GORDON  MCDOWELL

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>> O GOD, AUTHOR OF ALL WISDOM,
KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTAND, WE
THIS THY GUIDANCE IN OUR

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CONSULTATIONS TO THE END THAT
TRUTH AND JUSTICE MAY PREVAIL IN
ALL OUR JUDGMENTS.

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AMEN.
[Inaudible]
[Laughter]

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
MORNING, EVERYONE.
WE’RE GOING TO START THIS

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MORNING WITH A VERY IMPORTANT
PRESENTATION.
SO I’M JUST GOING TO GO DOWN

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OVER HERE.
SO, IT IS MY ABSOLUTE PLEASURE
TODAY TO HONOUR THE CITY’S

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RECEIPT OF THE CANADIAN AWARD
FOR FINANCIAL REPORTING.
FROM THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE

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OFFICERS’ ASSOCIATION OF THE
UNITED STATES AND CANADA.
RECEIPT OF THIS AWARD REPRESENTS

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A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR
THE CITY AND I’M VERY PLEASED TO
RECOGNIZE OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL

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OFFICER ERIC SAWYER AND THE
FINANCE ACCOUNTING AND
COMMUNICATIONS TEAMS FOR THIS

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OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT AND FOR
ONCE AGAIN MEETING THE HIGH
STANDARDS THAT THIS AWARD

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REPRESENTS.
FOR EXCEPTIONAL FINANCIAL AND
COMMUNICATION PRACTICES.

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THE CITY’S RECEIPT OF THIS AWARD
IS IN RECOGNITION OF THE EFFORTS
ON THE 2009 CORPORATE ANNUAL

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REPORT.
THE FINANCIAL REPORTING AWARD
WAS ESTABLISHED TO ENCOURAGE

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MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT
CANADA TO PUBLISH HIGH-QUALITY
FINANCIAL REPORTS.

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I AM VERY PROUD THAT THIS AWARD
HAS MOTIVATED CITY STAFF TO PUT
FORWARD THE EXTRA EFFORT

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NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THIS
RECOGNITION FROM THE GFOA OF THE
U.S. AND C.

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THAT’S FUN TO SAY.
THE 2009 CORPORATE ANNUAL REPORT
WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT

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BETWEEN FINANCE AND CORPORATE
SERVICES AND CUSTOMER SERVICES
AND COMMUNICATION.

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THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO PROVIDE
CALGARIANS WITH A HIGH QUALITY
ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT THAT

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INCLUDES AN EASY TO READ
OVERVIEW OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OF
OUR OPERATIONS.

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THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS’
ASSOCIATION IS THE PROFESSIONAL
ASSOCIATES OF STATE, LOCAL AND

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PROVINCIAL OFFICES IN THE U.S.
AND CANADA.
ITS MAIN PURPOSE IS TO ENHANCE

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AND PROMOTE THE PROFESSIONAL
MANAGEMENT OF GOVERNMENTS FOR
THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

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THE GFOA ACCOMPLISHES THIS BY
IDENTIFYING FINANCIAL POLICIES
AND PROMOTING THEM THROUGH

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EDUCATION, TRAINING AND
LEADERSHIP.
MEMBERS FROM EVERY PROVINCE

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ACROSS CANADA PARTICIPATE IN THE
PROGRAM.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF

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OUR STAFF FOR THIS ACHIEVEMENT.
THANK YOU, Mr. SAWYER AND
THANKS TO THOSE ON OUR FINANCE

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AND COMMUNICATION TEAMS FOR
THEIR DEDICATION TO EXCELLENCE
AND EXCEEDING THE HIGH INDUSTRY

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STANDARDS REQUIRED IN
ACCOUNTING, FINANCIAL REPORTING
AND COMMUNICATIONS.

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Mr. SAWYER, PLEASE COME UP AND
RECEIVE THIS AWARD.
WHICH IS OVER THERE.

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[Applause]
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, AND
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW BRIEF
REMARKS.
RECEIPT OF THIS AWARD FROM GFOA

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IS EXCELLENT NEWS FROM THE CITY.
IT REFLECTS THE HIGH STANDARDS
THAT OUR ACCOUNTING, FINANCIAL

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AND COMMUNICATION EXPERTS
PROVIDE TO THE CORPORATION AND
CITIZENS OF CALGARY YEAR AFTER

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YEAR.
THE INTEGRITY, RELEVANCE AND
COMPARABILITY OF THE FINANCIAL

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DATA IN THIS REPORT ARE THE
RESULT OF STRONG ACCOUNTING
PRACTICES, BUDGETING PROCESSES

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AND OTHER FINANCIAL CONTROLS
THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS.
OUR COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY

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AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE CITY’S
FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT IS ONE OF
OUR MOST STRONGLY HELD VALUES.

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I’M ALSO PROUD OF THE WAY THIS
INFORMATION IS PRESENTED AND
SHARED WITH CITIZENS AND

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STAKEHOLDERS IN AN ATTRACT
ACTIVE AND INFORM ACTIVE
DOCUMENT THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO

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ALL THROUGH CALGARY.CA.
RECEIVING THIS AWARD TAKES A
HUGE EFFORT AND CERTAINLY DOES

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NOT COME EASY.
WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF THIS
ACCOMPLISHMENT AND IT IS

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CERTAINLY MY PLEASURE TO ACCEPT
THIS AWARD ON BEHALF OF FINANCE
AND CUSTOMER SERVICE AND

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COMMUNICATIONS.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
THE AUDIENCE INCLUDING A COUPLE

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OF RETIREES WHO HAVE JOINED US
TODAY AND WHO CONTRIBUTED TO
THIS GREAT ACHIEVEMENT, AND I’D

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LIKE TO ASK THEM TO STAND AND BE
RECOGNIZED.
[Applause]

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[Inaudible]
[Inaudible]
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL

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RIGHT, FOLKS, QUESTION PERIOD.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON ON QUESTION
PERIOD?

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>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MY QUESTION IS FOR GM WATSON.
WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING

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BACK THE DRAFT ASP FOR THE
NORTHERN — FIRST CELL.
NORTHERN ANNEXED LAND IN JUNE.

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COULD YOU TELL ME IF WE’RE ON
TARGET FOR THAT ASP TO COME TO
COUNCIL THEN?

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>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YOUR
WORSHIP, ALDERMAN STEVENSON, AS
FAR AS I KNOW.

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I’LL CHECK WHEN I GET BACK, I
KNOW THEY ARE AND HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON IT DILIGENTLY.

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I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE SAY IT’S
OFF TARGET.
>> COULD YOU GIVE AN UPDATE TO

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COUNCIL BY E-MAIL ON THE TIME
LINES?
>> BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

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>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

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YOU, ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ON QUESTION PERIOD, ALDERMAN
JONES?

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ON QUESTION PERIOD ALDERMAN
FARRELL?
>> NO, IT’S A PRESENTATION.

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NO, NOT A CLASS.
I’M GOING TO PRESENT THIS AWARD
TO COUNCIL THAT I RECEIVED ON

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THE BEHALF OF CITY HALL.
THIS WEEKEND ON SATURDAY, AND
YOU WERE IN ATTENDANCE,

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Mr. MAYOR, THE CALGARY SOLDIER
MEMORIAL WAS OPENED TO THE
PUBLIC, AND IT’S A BEAUTIFUL

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MONUMENT TO THE FALLEN SOLDIERS
FOR THE CALGARY REGIMENTS.
IN THE EVENING THERE WAS AN

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OFFICERS’ MESS AND I HAD THE
HONOUR TO PARTICIPATE AND TRY MY
FIRST ATTEMPT AT HAGGIS AND…

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[Indiscernible]
WHICH WAS FASCINATING.
I WAS VERY PLEASED AND HONOURED

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TO RECOGNIZE THIS TROPHY FOR THE
CITY OF CALGARY WITH GREG
STEWART FROM PARKS DEPARTMENT,

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DOUG MARTYR AND ANN CHARLTON.
I HAVE TO SAY THE CALGARY
SOLDIERS WERE VERY, VERY

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APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE WORK THE
CITY OF CALGARY HAS DONE TO HELP
THEM SEE THIS MONUMENT TO

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FRUITION.
SO THIS TOKEN OF THEIR
APPRECIATION WAS PRESENTED TO

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THE CITY BY BRIGADIER-GENERAL
WINNICK AND I WANTED TO THANK MY
COLLEAGUES, THE LANDSCAPE OF

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MEMORY FOR MEMORIAL DRIVE IS
COMING ALONG BEAUTIFULLY, AND
THIS IS ONE LANDMARK MONUMENT

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THAT HELPS BRING IT TO FRUITION.
SO THIS IS FOR THE CITY OF
CALGARY.

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THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, ALDERMAN FARRELL.

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IT WAS INDEED A MARVELOUS
CEREMONY ON SATURDAY.
THE 94th ANNIVERSARY OF VIMY

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RIDGE, AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE
NOT YET SEEN THE MEMORIAL IT IS
DECEPTIVE.

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IT LOOKS VERY SIMPLE, BUT IT IS
A REMARKABLE PIECE OF
ARCHITECTURE BY A LOCAL

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ARCHITECT.
AND I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL
TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND BE

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MOVED BY THE LIST OF THOSE 3,000
NAMES.
ANYONE ELSE ON QUESTION PERIOD?

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ON THE AGENDA THEN, CAN I HAVE A
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
THANKS, ALDERMAN LOWE.

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ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ON THE AGENDA, ALDERMAN JONES.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

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I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD MOVE
THE RECESS THIS AFTERNOON TO
11:45 AMENDMENT TO 1:45 p.m.

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TO ALLOW FOR A PRESENTATION AND
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF FORMER
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DO I
HAVE A SECONDER?
THANKS, ALDERMAN MAR.

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AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.

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ON THE AGENDAING WITH ALDERMAN
HODGES.
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP.

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ON THE AGENDA, I HAVE BEEN ASKED
TO BRING FORWARD AND MOVE THE
LPT 2011-23 SNOW AND ICE CONTROL

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WORK PLAN INTERNAL REPORT AND
MIGHT AS WELL ADD THE SNOW AND
ICE CONTROL YEAR END SUMMARY,

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LPT 2011-24 TO THE MAY 16th
MEETING OF COUNCIL.
THE 16th IS A REGULAR

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MEETING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE
ANOTHER REPORT AT THAT MEETING.

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SNOW AND ICE CONTROL.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: CAN
YOU THROW IN THE RELEASE OF THE

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SNOW AND ICE CONTROL FUNDS?
>> YES.
THAT’S CORRECT.

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AND
THE REASON FOR THAT, BY THE WAY,
COUNCIL, IS I CONTINUE TO WORK

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WITH THE SNIK DEPARTMENT ON A
BETTER REPORT TO COUNCIL WHICH
WILL BETTER TALK ABOUT THE

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RESULTS OF THEIR PILOT PROJECT
AND THEY NEED A BIT MORE TIME.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THAT

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ONE?
THANKS, ALDERMAN JONES.
ARE WE AGREED?

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>> THE SNOW AND ICE CONTROL
FUNDS IS C-2011-33.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: MAY

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16th.
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

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ALDERMAN CHABOT AND LOWE ARE
OPPOSED.
OH, SORRY.

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SORRY, ALDERMAN LOWE, YOU CAN
ASK IT NOW.
>> I’M TRYING TO RELATE — I

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MEAN, WHAT’S YOU’RE DELAYING IS
THE AUTHORITY TO RELEASE FUNDS
TO PAY THE BILLS AS OPPOSED TO

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THE BROADER REPORT THAT OUTLINES
WHAT WAS DONE.
I GUESS I WORRY ABOUT STEPPING

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IN AND STOPPING BILLS BEING
PAID —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’VE

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CHECKED WITH ALL OF THAT
ALREADY.
IT’S A BIT CONFUSING.

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BUT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE
EXPENDITURE OF A REMAINING
$5 MILLION FROM THE STABILITY

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RESERVE.
THAT IS BEING USED TO PAY THE
BILLS NOW.

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THE MONEY THEY’RE ASKING FOR IS
FOR NEXT SEASON.
SO THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME

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THAT THEY DON’T NEED TO SPEND
ANY OF IT YET.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.
ALL RIGHT.

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SO WE GOT THAT ONE.
WE GOT THAT ONE.
ON THE AGENDA, ALDERMAN HODGES

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STILL?
ARE YOU DONE?
ALDERMAN JONES ON THE AGENDA?

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[Inaudible]
WHY DON’T YOU DO THAT NOW.
ALL RIGHT.

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I WILL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO ADD
FOUR ITEMS OF URGENT BUSINESS.
PAC 2011-09 ON THE COUNCIL

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INVASION FUND, 2011-15 ON THE
CALGARY REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP AND
TWO INCAMERA ITEMS ONE ON THE

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COUNCIL COMPENSATION REVIEW
COMMITTEE AND ONE PERSONNEL
ITEM.

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[Inaudible]
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS IS SECONDING.

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ON THE AGENDA ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

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ALDERMAN JONES.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I BELIEVE THIS IS MY SCHOOL.

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MONSIGNOR HEATHERINGTON?
YEAH.
AFTER SEEING HOW MANY TIMES

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WE’VE INTRODUCED SCHOOLS THAT
ACTUALLY AREN’T HERE YET.
THIS IS A GROUP OF 32 STUDENTS

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AND FOUR CHAPERONES FROM
MONSIGNOR HEATHERINGTON SCHOOL
IN CORAL SPRINGS.

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THEY’RE HERE WITH THEIR TEACHER
AND FOUR CHAPERONES AND TOUR
GUIDE.

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IF YOU COULD ALL STAND UP SO
THAT COUNCIL COULD RECOGNIZE YOU
AND PUT YOU ON T.V.

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[Applause]
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU
CAN BE SEATED.

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YOU WERE JUST ON T.V.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
MONSIGNOR HEATHERINGTON IS MY

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COMMUNITY SCHOOL BECAUSE I LIVE
ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS AWAY.
IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL HERE

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AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL
DAY AT CITY HALL.
CONFIRMATION OF THE MINUTES.

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DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
THE MINUTES?
THANKS, ALDERMAN MAR.

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SECONDED ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU.

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I WAS GOING TO MOVE THE MINUTES
WITH THE SMALL AMENDMENT.
IF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WOULD

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PROBABLY NOTICE WHEN THEY READ
IT, THAT ON PAGE 8 OF 40,
THERE’S A DECIMAL PLACE THAT’S

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BEEN MISPLACED SLIGHTLY.
ON THE SECOND BULLET AT THE TOP
OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS

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RECOMMENDATION 3 BE AMENDED BY
DELETING THE WORDS 4.2 MILLION.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 42 MILLION.

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AND CONSTITUTING THE WORDS
2.1 MILLION WHICH SHOULD HAVE
BEEN 21 MILLION.

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IF THAT CORRECTION CAN BE MADE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I
THINK WE CAN TAKE THAT AS AN

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EDITORIAL CHANGE THOUGH IT’S A
PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ONE.
WHAT’S TENFOLD BETWEEN FRIENDS,

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RIGHT?
OKAY.
TERRIFIC.

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SO WE’LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT
CHANGE EDITORIALLY.
ANY OTHER CHANGES, DELETION,

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ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES?
VERY WELL THEN.
ON THE MINUTES AS WITH THAT

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CORRECTION ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

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ALL RIGHT.
THE CONSENT AGENDA THEN.
CAN I HAVE SOMEONE MOVE THE

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CONSENT AGENDA?
THANKS, ALDERMAN LOW.
SECONDED ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

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ANYONE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES
TO THE CONSENT AGENDA?
ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING?

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OKAY THEN.
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE WE
AGREED?

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SORRY?
>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OH.

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>> DO WE PULL THINGS — I
APOLOGIZE.
FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, DO WE PULL

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THINGS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA
WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSENT
AGENDA OR DO WE DO IT DURING

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THE —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU
CAN DO IT AT EITHER TIME.

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WE TYPICALLY DO IT WHEN WE GET
TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ON THE
CONSENT AGENDA, AS AMENDED ARE
WE AGREED?

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ALL RIGHT THEN.
OKAY.
THAT TAKES US INTO OUR PUBLIC

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HEARING.
WE’LL PLAY A LITTLE MUSICAL
CHAIRS UP HERE AND WE WILL GET

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STARTED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEE YOU SOON.
[Inaudible]

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>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT THEN.
THAT TAKES US TO THE BEGINNING

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OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING TODAY AND
WE’LL START WITH TABLED REPORTS.
THE FIRST IS CPC 2011-018.

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AMENDMENT TO THE BOWNESS AREA
REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
>> GOOD MORNING, YOUR WORSHIP.

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MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
ANDY ORR ON BEHALF OF CALGARY
PLANNING COMMISSION.

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MY COLLEAGUE Mr. COPE IS
TAKING A WELL DESERVED HOLIDAY
SO I’M UP HERE THIS MORNING.

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THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A LAND
USE REDESIGNATION WITH AN
OUTLINE PLAN AND PROPOSED

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AMENDMENT TO THE BOWNESS AR
PERFORM LOCATED AT 4200,
95th STREET NORTHWEST IN THE

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COMMUNITY OF GREENWOOD GREEN
BRIAR.
THIS PROPOSES TO REDESIGNATE

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29.88-ACRES FROM CN 2 COMMERCIAL
NEIGHBOURHOOD 2 DISTRICT AND
SFUD SPECIAL PURPOSE FUTURE

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URBAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO
MCD 274 MULTI-RESIDENTIAL
CONTEXTUAL PROFILE DISTRICT C 1

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COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
SSPR SPECIAL PURPOSE SCHOOL PARK
AND COMMUNITY RESERVE DISTRICT

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AND DC DIRECT CONTROL DISTRICT
TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL OFFICE
AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

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THE SUBJECT SITE IS NOTED IN THE
AREAS OUTLINED IN RED ON THE
SITE MAP LOCATED IN THE

00:17:48.169,00:17:52.404
NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE CITY
AND IT IS ALSO PART OF THE
BOWNESS AREA REDEVELOPMENT PLAN

00:17:52.406,00:17:57.507
AREA.
THE SITE IS BOUNDED TO THE SOUTH
BY THE TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY AND

00:17:57.509,00:18:01.573
CANADA OLYMPIC PARK.
TO THE WEST BY RESIDENTIAL
ACREAGES AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.

00:18:01.575,00:18:07.519
TO THE NORTH BY THE GREENWOOD
MOBILE HOME PARK AND TO THE EAST
BY LANDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED

00:18:07.521,00:18:11.494
FOR FUTURE RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT BUT ARE CURRENTLY
VACANT.

00:18:11.496,00:18:17.824
IF YOU LOOK QUICKLY AT — THIS
IS AN AIR PHOTO OF — A BROAD
VIEW OF THE SITE IN RELATION TO

00:18:17.826,00:18:26.853
NORTH OF 16th AVENUE, WEST
OF BEAUFORT ROAD, YOU CAN SEE IT
SOUTH OF THE EXISTING TRAILER

00:18:26.855,00:18:29.622
PARK.
THERE’S A MORE FINE DETAIL OF
THE SITE.

00:18:29.624,00:18:35.827
YOU CAN SEE IT’S CURRENTLY
VACANT AND THERE’S NO
DEVELOPMENT EXISTING ON THE

00:18:35.829,00:18:44.662
LANDS.
THE MULTI-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT
HAS A DENSITY OF 25.82 UNITS PER

00:18:44.664,00:18:50.967
HECTARE.
THE OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY
OF THE COMBINED STAGES EQUALS

00:18:50.969,00:18:57.742
34.26 UNITS PER HECTARE OR 13.86
UNITS PER ACRE WITH A TOTAL OF
835 UNITS POTENTIALLY.

00:18:57.744,00:19:04.415
REVISED DENSITY IS COMPATIBLE
WITH PROPOSED POLICY AMENDMENTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMENDMENTS

00:19:04.417,00:19:12.182
IN THIS APPLICATION AND THE LAND
USE.
THE EXISTING DENSITY RANGE IS A

00:19:12.184,00:19:19.734
MAXIMUM OF 764 UNITS AND WITH
THE AMENDMENT THE ADVANCED RAISE
WE GO AS ANTICIPATED TO A

00:19:19.736,00:19:26.374
MAXIMUM OF 835.
THERE IS ALSO THREE CLUSTERS
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS

00:19:26.376,00:19:30.250
APPLICATION.
THESE AMENDMENTS ALLOW FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT OF OFFICE SPACE AND

00:19:30.252,00:19:36.458
COMMUNITY ORIENTED USES ON THESE
THREE SITES WHICH WILL COMPRISE
THE COMMERCIAL CORE WITHIN THE

00:19:36.460,00:19:41.227
GREENBRIAR SPECIAL STUDY AREA.
SITE A IS POTENTIALLY FOR A
GROCERY STORE OR MIXED USE

00:19:41.229,00:19:48.237
APPLICATION.
SITE B IS FOR LOCAL COMMERCIAL
OR STREET ORIENTED RETAIL

00:19:48.239,00:19:54.806
DEVELOPMENT.
C FOR OFFICE OR RETAIL AT GRADE
USES.

00:19:54.808,00:20:02.280
THE LAND USE REDESIGNATION AND
OUTLINE PLAN, HAVE A LOOK AT THE
PROPOSED DC MAP ASSOCIATED, THE

00:20:02.282,00:20:09.514
DC CUSTOMIZES THE C CORE LAND
USE IN THE SITE 1 AREA OF THE
SITE.

00:20:09.516,00:20:15.295
AND THE OFFICE DISTRICT AND SITE
TO SUPPLEMENT POLICIES RELATING
TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT

00:20:15.297,00:20:19.332
ENSURING IT IS RESTRICTED TO A
NEIGHBOURHOOD SCALE STREET
ORIENTED AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE

00:20:19.334,00:20:25.114
ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY OF
BOWNESS, BUT ALSO LIMITING AUTO
ORIENTED USES AND SPECIFYING THE

00:20:25.116,00:20:29.706
LOCATION OF USES WITHIN
POTENTIAL BUILDINGS.
ENVIRONMENTAL RESERVE HAS

00:20:29.708,00:20:36.747
PREVIOUSLY BEEN DEDICATED AND
MUNICIPAL RESERVE HAS PROVIDED
IN LAND AND IN CASH IN LIEU.

00:20:36.749,00:20:42.043
LOOKING TO THE OUTLINE PLAN, THE
OPEN SPACE PROPOSED IN THE
SECOND STAGE ACCOMMODATES LOCAL

00:20:42.045,00:20:46.117
AND REGIONAL PATHWAY
CONNECTIONS.
THE SITE ACCESS TO CONSTRAINED

00:20:46.119,00:20:51.736
BY THE TIMING OF THE INITIAL
BEAUFORT ROAD 16th AVENUE
TRANSCANADA INTERCHANGE

00:20:51.738,00:20:57.274
SCHEDULED TO BE BUILT BY 2013.
THE INITIAL INTERCHANGE WOULD BE
A SIX-LANE BRIDGE STRUCTURE OVER

00:20:57.276,00:21:02.379
THE TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY.
PRIOR TO ITS CONSTRUCTION, A
MAXIMUM OF 250 RESIDENTIAL UNITS

00:21:02.381,00:21:09.282
COULD BE SUPPORTED WITHIN THE
EXISTING TRANSPORTATION NETWORK
AND FURTHER LIMITATIONS HAVE

00:21:09.284,00:21:17.321
BEEN PLACED ONCE A DEVELOPMENT
INTERCHANGE HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
IN TERMS OF THE SITE PHOTOS,

00:21:17.323,00:21:22.753
THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN FROM
THE TRANSCANADA.
THIS LOOKING NORTH.

00:21:22.755,00:21:27.290
THIS IS THE WESTERLY PORTION OF
THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE IT’S RELATIVELY

00:21:27.292,00:21:33.796
FLAT.
YOU CAN ALSO NOTE THE — THERE’S
BUILDINGS IN THE BACKGROUND, AND

00:21:33.798,00:21:42.793
THAT IS PART OF THE GREENBRIAR
SUBDIVISION WITH MOBILE HOMES.
AND THAT IS THE — LOOK NORTH

00:21:42.795,00:21:49.809
FROM THE TRANSCANADA, THAT IS
THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
THERE’S MORE SLOPE OF THE LAND

00:21:49.811,00:21:56.178
THAT IS ORIENTED TOWARDS
16th AVENUE.
THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS TAKEN FROM

00:21:56.180,00:22:00.448
THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THE
PROPERTY FROM THE TRAILER PARK.
YOU CAN SEE CANADA OLYMPIC PARK

00:22:00.450,00:22:10.019
LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS 16th
AVENUE.
AND THERE’S JUST ANOTHER

00:22:10.021,00:22:16.987
PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN FROM THE
TRAILER PARK LOOKING TOWARDS
16th AVENUE HERE.

00:22:16.989,00:22:24.184
FINALLY, YOU SEE THE INTERFACE
BETWEEN THE TRAILER PARK AND THE
LAND PROPOSED FOR REDESIGNATION.

00:22:26.790,00:22:37.444
IN SUMMARY, THE ARP AMENDMENTS
ENCOURAGE A COMPLETE COMMUNITY
WITH SWERVE PARAMETERS ON THE —

00:22:37.446,00:22:42.286
SPECIFIC PARAMETERS ON THE LINE
AND USAGE.
A NUMBER OF OPEN HOUSES HAVE

00:22:42.288,00:22:48.197
BEEN HOSTED BY THE APPLICANTS
INCLUDING A CITY-LED OPEN HOUSE
HELD IN NOVEMBER 2010 TO PRESENT

00:22:48.199,00:22:53.831
THE ARP AMENDMENTS.
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION
SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED ARP

00:22:53.833,00:23:00.138
AMENDMENTS AND RECOMMENDS GIVING
THREE READINGS TO BYLAW 12 P
2011 AND 13 D 2011, AND THAT

00:23:00.140,00:23:03.840
CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, YOUR
WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

00:23:03.842,00:23:10.246
YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. ORR.
ANY QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION
FOR ADMINISTRATION?

00:23:10.248,00:23:15.715
ANY QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION?
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> Mr. ORR, DO YOU KNOW

00:23:15.717,00:23:23.062
ROUGHLY HOW MANY SQUARE FEET
BASED ON THIS PLAN ARE PROPOSED
FOR COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE

00:23:23.064,00:23:32.768
COMPONENT AS A COMBINED TOTAL?
>> THE THREE CELLS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE — THERE’S A COMBINED

00:23:32.770,00:23:36.941
TOTAL OF 15.000 AND THAT IS
INTENDED TO BE A NEIGHBOURHOOD
CORE AREA.

00:23:36.943,00:23:44.520
THE OTHER AREAS — IN TERMS OF
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE’S NOT
AN ABSOLUTELY.

00:23:44.522,00:23:47.325
TATION.
IT IS OF COURSE ALL SUBJECT TO
DEVELOPMENT PERMITS.

00:23:47.327,00:23:54.235
THERE ARE LIMITATIONS PLACED ON
THE USES IN THE AREAS.
HOWEVER, THE COMBINED TOTAL IS

00:23:54.237,00:23:57.640
SOMEWHAT UNDETERMINED DEPENDING
ON WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT
PERMIT AND APPLICATIONS PROCEED.

00:23:57.642,00:24:04.107
>> SO ROUGHLY 10 SQUARE FEET PER
SQUARE METRE?
>> WELL, 5,000 SQUARE METRES AND

00:24:04.109,00:24:09.199
EACH ONE OF THOSE CELLS FOR
POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT.

00:24:09.201,00:24:12.962
BUT THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL
USES OF COMMERCIAL.
HOWEVER, THE 15.000, THAT WOULD

00:24:12.964,00:24:18.160
BE THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT.
>> JUST FOR IN ORDER OF

00:24:18.162,00:24:23.863
MAGNITUDE CONVERTING THAT TO
SQUARE FEET.
>> I BELIEVE IT’S ABOUT 35.000

00:24:23.865,00:24:30.902
SQUARE FEET.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN
THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF

00:24:30.904,00:24:36.539
SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 PER SQUARE
FEET PER SQUARE METRE.
>> YES, THAT’S RELATIVELY CLOSE.

00:24:36.541,00:24:41.776
IN THAT RANGE YOU’RE LOOKING AT
150.000, APPROXIMATELY.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:24:41.778,00:24:49.138
THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, ALDERMAN CHABOT.

00:24:49.140,00:24:51.246
QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION,
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> Mr. ORR, YOU MENTIONED IT

00:24:51.248,00:24:55.448
IN PASSING BUT I WANTED TO
CLARIFY THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN
APPROVAL FOR 250 RESIDENTIAL

00:24:55.450,00:25:02.558
UNITS IN THIS AREA WHICH HAS YET
TO PROCEED.
BUT ANY FURTHER COMMERCIAL OR

00:25:02.560,00:25:07.699
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BEYOND
THAT IS DEPEND END ON THE
CONSTRUCTION — DEPENDENT ON THE

00:25:07.701,00:25:12.296
CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED
BEAUFORT TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY
INTERCHANGE.

00:25:12.298,00:25:15.771
>> , THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> AND IT’S SCHEDULED FOR NEXT
YEAR?

00:25:15.773,00:25:19.375
>> 2013.
IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED
BY THE END OF 2013.

00:25:19.377,00:25:26.124
>> IF ALL GOES WELL.
>> IF ALL GOES WELL.
>> AND THE WEATHER STAYS

00:25:26.126,00:25:37.310
PREDICTABLE, YOU MIGHT SAY.
SO THE — ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
AND KEYS ON THE GRADE SEPARATED

00:25:37.312,00:25:41.340
INTERCHANGE AT BEAUFORT AND
TRANSCANADA.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.

00:25:41.342,00:25:48.470
THAT CHANGE INITIATED IN 2008,
THE ARP, IT HAS BEEN INITIATED
TO 250 MAXIMUM.

00:25:48.472,00:25:57.350
IT IS OBVIOUSLY STILL PREVALENT
DEPENDING THE COMPLETION OF THE
INTERCHANGE.

00:25:57.352,00:26:08.360
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.
QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION,

00:26:08.362,00:26:12.329
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> IS THE FUNDING IN PLACE FOR
THAT INTERCHANGE?

00:26:12.331,00:26:16.999
>> AS FAR AS I KNOW IT IS.
I BELIEVE — MY COLLEAGUE FROM
TRANSPORTATION COULD CLARIFY

00:26:17.001,00:26:24.878
THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WITH
TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

00:26:24.880,00:26:34.083
AS PART OF THE 2009-2018 PIIP
THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL,
THE BEAUFORT TRANSCANADA

00:26:34.085,00:26:40.631
INTERCHANGE WAS INCLUDED IN
THEIR FUNDING STARTING IN 2012.
THE ACTUAL BUDGET APPROVAL WOULD

00:26:40.633,00:26:49.508
COME FORWARD AS PART OF THE
2012-14 BPPC.
>> ARE THERE ANY ANTICIPATED

00:26:49.510,00:26:52.613
HICCUPS OR ROADBLOCKS ALONG THE
WAY?
>> THE CITY HAS INITIATED —

00:26:52.615,00:26:56.115
WE’VE COMPLETED THE FUNCTIONAL
PLANNING STUDY.
WE’VE INITIATED A LAND

00:26:56.117,00:27:01.849
ACQUISITION.
THE DETAILED DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION WOULD MOVE FORWARD

00:27:01.851,00:27:05.544
AS PER THAT SCHEDULE.
>> SO WE’RE ON SCHEDULE TO
CONSTRUCT THIS OVERPASS.

00:27:05.546,00:27:07.379
>> YEAH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:27:07.381,00:27:10.223
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
DEPENDING ON A BUNCH OF
CONVERSATIONS WE’RE GOING TO

00:27:10.225,00:27:16.807
HAVE AT COUNCIL MAYBE TODAY,
ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
VERY WELL THEN.

00:27:16.809,00:27:19.746
ANY OTHER QUESTIONSES OF
CLARIFICATION?
FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

00:27:19.748,00:27:23.164
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN FAVOUR OF THIS ITEM?
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK

00:27:23.166,00:27:35.012
IN FAVOUR.
>> YOUR WORSHIP AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, WITH BROWN AND

00:27:35.014,00:27:40.855
ASSOCIATES PLANNING GROUP.
WE’RE THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF
MELCORP.

00:27:40.857,00:27:46.462
I’M GOING TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY
BECAUSE I’D LIKE TO ALLOW CHRIS
DELANEY TO SPEAK MORE TO

00:27:46.464,00:27:51.227
TRANSPORTATION.
WE WERE TABLED IN FEBRUARY TO
ALLOW FOR MORE COMMUNICATION TO

00:27:51.229,00:27:53.659
HAPPEN BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION
AND THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION.

00:27:53.661,00:27:57.163
BOTH ADMINISTRATION AND
OURSELVES HAVE ACTIVELY PURSUED
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

00:27:57.165,00:28:00.129
THROUGH E-MAILS AS WELL AS
PROVIDING ADDITIONAL DETAILED
INFORMATION.

00:28:00.131,00:28:03.333
WE FEEL WE’VE SATISFIED THAT
REQUEST THROUGH THAT MOTION.
AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT

00:28:03.335,00:28:09.301
THE LAND USE TODAY.
I’D LIKE TO INVITE CHRIS DELANEY
TO SPEAK TO THE REST OF THE FIVE

00:28:09.303,00:28:16.738
MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU, CATHY.
MY NAME IS CHRIS DELANEY WITH

00:28:16.740,00:28:31.884
ISL ENGINEERING, WE WERE ME
MELCORP’S TRANSPORTATION GROUP.
THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS

00:28:31.886,00:28:35.921
INCLUDING STONEY TRAIL AND
SARCEE TRAIL WHICH ARE THE MAJOR
SKELETAL ROAD CONNECTIONS IN THE

00:28:35.923,00:28:40.498
AREA.
THE CITY HAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED
FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA BY

00:28:40.500,00:28:45.139
PLANNING FOR THE INTERCHANGE AT
TRANSCANADA AND BEAUFORT ROAD
AND IN PLANNING THAT INTERCHANGE

00:28:45.141,00:28:50.975
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY ALLOCATED
TRANSPORTATION CAPACITY TO
VARIOUS ZONES WHETHER IT BE

00:28:50.977,00:28:54.648
GREENBRIAR, CANADA OLYMPIC PARK
OR OTHER LANDS SERVED BY THE
INTERCHANGE.

00:28:54.650,00:28:59.889
THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS THAT
WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE
CITY AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION

00:28:59.891,00:29:05.923
CONFIRMS THAT THE GREENBRIAR
PROPOSAL DOES REMAIN WITHIN THE
CAPACITY ALLOCATED BY THE CITY

00:29:05.925,00:29:11.027
FOR THIS SITE AT THE
INTERCHANGE.
THE PROPOSAL THUS DOES NOT SEEK

00:29:11.029,00:29:14.795
ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OR
IMPOSE ANY UNPLANNED
REQUIREMENTS ON THE CITY

00:29:14.797,00:29:19.763
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
ALSO, TO PROVIDE FAIR
DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR

00:29:19.765,00:29:26.640
ALL LANDOWNERS, THE CITY HAS SET
CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT CAPS AND
TRIGGERS IN THE CONDITIONS OF

00:29:26.642,00:29:30.451
APPROVALS, BOTH LIMITING THE
AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN
GO IN AHEAD OF THE INTERCHANGE

00:29:30.453,00:29:36.460
AND ALSO PROVIDING A CAP THAT
CANNOT BE EXCEEDED DURING THE
FIRST STAGE OF THE INTERCHANGE.

00:29:36.462,00:29:41.863
SO THERE’S FUTURE CONSTRUCTION
THAT WILL PRESENT A CAP AND A
TRIGGER AS WELL.

00:29:41.865,00:29:47.965
THESE CAPS ENSURE THAT ALL AREA
LANDOWNERS NOT JUST MELCORP CAN
FAIRLY ACCESS THE CAPACITY

00:29:47.967,00:29:58.740
THAT’S BEEN ALLOCATED TO THEM
FOR THIS INTERCHANGE AND SO
MELCORP HAS ACCEPTED THESE

00:29:58.742,00:30:25.641
TRIGGERS.
THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS IS
TRULY DOES MEET THE VISION OF

00:30:25.643,00:30:31.252
THE CALGARY TRANSPORTATION PLAN
AND THE MUNICIPAL SELECT PLAN
FOR BALANCED APPROACH TO

00:30:31.254,00:30:35.615
TRANSPORTATION DEMAND.
WITH THE MIXED LAND USE OFFICE,
MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY

00:30:35.617,00:30:40.477
RESIDENTIAL NO SINGLE FAMILY
HERE.
THERE IS A NATURAL TRAFFIC

00:30:40.479,00:30:44.485
INTERACTION WITH BONUS FOR OTHER
AMENITIES INCLUDING SCHOOLS,
RECREATION FACILITIES AND

00:30:44.487,00:30:49.696
SHOPPING.
BUT ONE OF THE REMARKABLE THINGS
FROM THE ANALYSIS IS THAT THIS

00:30:49.698,00:30:54.569
SITE WILL PRODUCE ESSENTIALLY
50/50 BALANCED TRANSPORTATION
DEMAND THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

00:30:54.571,00:30:58.808
SO IT IS QUITE UNLIKE THE
TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT
APPLICATIONS YOU SEE FOR

00:30:58.810,00:31:03.047
EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL
COMMUNITIES OR MAJOR BIG BOX
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS WHERE

00:31:03.049,00:31:09.814
YOU HAVE 60/40 SPLIT, 70/30
SPLIT THAT IMPOSE HUGE
RESTRICTIONS ON YOUR

00:31:09.816,00:31:13.483
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
THAT BALANCED APPROACH IS REALLY
A KEY THING TO HIGHLIGHT.

00:31:13.485,00:31:18.649
THE SITE ALSO PROVIDES READY
ACCESS FOR ALTERNATE MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION.

00:31:18.651,00:31:28.751
THE ADMINISTRATION HIGHLIGHTED
REGIONAL PATHWAY NETWORKS.
SO WE DO BELIEVE AND WE DO

00:31:28.753,00:31:33.790
BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION’S
REVIEW HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE
SITE DOES FIT WITHIN THE CITY’S

00:31:33.792,00:31:37.524
NETWORK PLANS FOR TRANSPORTATION
AND AS WELL SUPPORTED ON THAT
BASIS.

00:31:37.526,00:31:42.819
THANK YOU PERFOR.
[Inaudible]
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

00:31:42.821,00:31:47.786
YOU, Mr. DELANEY.
THERE’S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
HERE AND I MAY HAVE ONE TOO.

00:31:47.788,00:31:53.421
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
Mr. DELANEY, WHEN — WITH THE

00:31:53.423,00:32:00.967
TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY
OF BOWNESS, THIS WHOLE AREA OF
COURSE WE KNOW IT’S ALL GOING TO

00:32:00.969,00:32:06.770
BE REDEVELOPED.
BUT WOULD THE TRAFFIC IMPACT BE
GREATER IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN

00:32:06.772,00:32:12.245
RESIDENTIAL THAN IT IS WHEN IT
GOES COMMERCIAL?
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE?

00:32:12.247,00:32:16.880
>> GENERALLY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT
WOULD BE GREATER IF YOU HAD SORT
OF AN EXCLUSIVE LAND USE AND

00:32:16.882,00:32:22.219
THEN THE MAIN REASON BEING THAT
IT WOULD TEND TO CONCENTRATE
TRAFFIC IN ONE DIRECTION MORE

00:32:22.221,00:32:25.890
SO.
BY BEING A BALANCED AND MIXED
LAND USE APPROACH IT SORT OF

00:32:25.892,00:32:31.070
TAKES ADVANTAGE OF LATENT DEMAND
IN BOTH TRAVEL DIRECTIONS.
AND THEREFORE IT’S LESS

00:32:31.072,00:32:35.876
CONCENTRATED IN ANY PARTICULAR
DIRECTION ON THE ROAD NETWORK.
>> SO IF THE ENTIRE PACKAGE WAS

00:32:35.878,00:32:40.283
ALL HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL
IT WOULD LIKELY HAVE A BIGGER
IMPACT?

00:32:40.285,00:32:44.884
>> IT LIKELY WOULD, YES, WHEN
YOU CONSIDER THE ONE DIRECTION
OF TRAFFIC BEING THE PEAK THAT

00:32:44.886,00:32:50.027
YOU’RE ANALYZING, YES.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:32:50.029,00:32:54.832
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ALDERMAN MAR?

00:32:54.834,00:32:59.544
>> THANK YOU.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
REGARDING THE TRANSPORTATION.

00:32:59.546,00:33:05.204
YOU JUST MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO
THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE
CONDUCTIVITY WITH PUBLIC

00:33:05.206,00:33:10.901
TRANSIT?
WHERE IS THAT PRIMARY TRANSIT
NETWORK IN YOUR PROPOSED SITE?

00:33:10.903,00:33:18.348
>> THE EXISTING TRANSIT IS
SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN THIS AREA.
I THINK WHAT — IT IS VERY

00:33:18.350,00:33:20.416
LIMITED.
WHAT CALGARY TRANSIT HAS LOOKED
TO HAVE HERE IS THAT THERE’S

00:33:20.418,00:33:27.354
GOING TO BE A PRIMARY TRANSIT
CONNECTION ON BOWNESS ROAD AND
ALSO SORT OF NORTH TOWARDS THE

00:33:27.356,00:33:36.904
CROWFOOT LRT TYPE AREA.
AND THAT WOULD BE TH THE ACCESS.
WE DO NO TRANSIT WAS LOOKING AT

00:33:36.906,00:33:42.841
USING BEAUFORT ROAD 83rd AS
A CONNECTOR TO A HUB TO THE
NORTH OF SOME KIND.

00:33:42.843,00:33:49.445
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THIS IS ALSO AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN
A COMPLETE COMMUNITY.

00:33:49.447,00:33:58.644
IT HAS THE COMMERCIAL FOOD,
THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT IS THE RATIO FOR JOBS AND

00:33:58.646,00:34:02.581
PERSONS PER HECTARE IN
RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT OUR NEW MDP
IS SUGGESTING?

00:34:02.583,00:34:09.826
COULD YOU ANSWER THAT?
>> WE CAN.
AS PART OF THE ERP AMENDMENTS,

00:34:09.828,00:34:16.104
THE CITY DID THAT ANALYSIS ON
THE OVERALL COMMUNITY AND WE
TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT AFFECTS OUR

00:34:16.106,00:34:20.508
APPLICATION.
IN THE OLD — ARP AS EXISTS
TODAY, THE INTENSITY IS A

00:34:20.510,00:34:27.484
MINIMUM OF 45 TO A MAXIMUM OF 68
PEOPLE AND JOBS PER HECTARE.
WITH THE CHANGES, THE OVERALL

00:34:27.486,00:34:34.687
COMMUNITY GOES FROM 56 AS A
MINIMUM TO 78 AS A MAXIMUM.
AND THIS APPLICATION ITSELF IS

00:34:34.689,00:34:42.753
131 PEOPLE AND JOBS PER HECTARE.
>> SO YOU ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY
EXCEED THE OBJECTIVES OF

00:34:42.755,00:34:46.089
PLANNING IN THIS PARTICULAR
INSTANCE.
NOW, WHAT IS THE PROJECTED

00:34:46.091,00:34:51.529
BUILDOUT IN TERMS OF YEARS FOR
THIS?
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?

00:34:51.531,00:34:54.869
>> OF COURSE IT WILL — FOR THE
ENTIRE COMMUNITY OR FOR JUST
THIS —

00:34:54.871,00:34:59.809
>> FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
WELL, THE PORTION THAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY.

00:34:59.811,00:35:04.147
>> SO OF COURSE THIS WILL DEPEND
ON THE INTERCHANGE.
I BELIEVE THAT —

00:35:04.149,00:35:10.790
>> THAT’S MY POINT.
>> OUR INTENTION IS TO — WHILE
THE CONSTRUCTION AND DETAIL ARE

00:35:10.792,00:35:14.656
BEING SORTED OUT WITH THE
INTERCHANGE IS TO HAVE OUR
ENGINEERING ALL WORKED OUT AT

00:35:14.658,00:35:20.789
THE SAME TIME SO THAT AT THE
TIME — I DON’T KNOW IF ALL OF
YOU ARE AWARE, BECAUSE BEAUFORT

00:35:20.791,00:35:25.031
GOES OVER TOP OF THE TRANSCANADA
THERE’S A SIGNIFICANT CUT AND
THERE’S QUITE A BIT OF FILL THAT

00:35:25.033,00:35:32.039
OCCURS IN THE 83rd BEAUFORT
AREA THAT THERE COULD BE SOME
CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS IN

00:35:32.041,00:35:35.472
TANDEM.
THE INTENTION IS TO BE ABLE TO
DO ALL THAT WORK IN TANDEM AND

00:35:35.474,00:35:45.553
THEN BE ABLE TO START WITH THEIR
DEVELOPMENT.
AS FAR AS AN OVERALL BUILDOUT,

00:35:45.555,00:35:50.659
I’LL POSSIBLY GET DENNIS TO
ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> THANK YOU.

00:35:53.729,00:36:04.265
>> YOUR WORSHIP, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DENNIS
INGLES, OUR BUILDOUT WOULD BE 5

00:36:04.267,00:36:07.099
TO 7 YEARS UPON COMPLETION OF
THE INTERCHANGE.
>> THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CONTINGENT

00:36:07.101,00:36:12.172
WON THE CITY OF CALGARY FUNDING
AND MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, THIS
INTERCHANGE AS PLANNED.

00:36:12.174,00:36:18.177
>> YOUR WORSHIP, CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU.
ONE LAST QUESTION — ACTUALLY,

00:36:18.179,00:36:21.726
NO, I THINK THAT’S SATISFACTORY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

00:36:21.728,00:36:28.165
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ONE OF THE
DIRECTIONS AFTER THE TABLING WAS

00:36:28.167,00:36:34.328
FURTHER COMMUNITY CONSULTATION.
AND I WONDERED IF YOU COULD GET
INTO THAT I I IN A BIT MORE DETL

00:36:34.330,00:36:41.416
AND EXPLAIN THE EFFORTS AS FAR
AS THE SHARING OF INFORMATION.
DO YOU HAVE A SUMMARY OF

00:36:41.418,00:36:44.785
THOSE — THE NATURE OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.

00:36:44.787,00:36:48.787
I HAVE A TABLE HERE THAT I CAN
DISTRIBUTE.
I’VE GOT 35 COPIES THAT WE CAN

00:36:48.789,00:37:00.926
DISTRIBUTE TO MEMBERS.
AND THIS ESSENTIALLY OUTLINES…
KIND OF FROM START TO FINISH THE

00:37:00.928,00:37:06.430
AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT THAT HAD
HAPPENED.
WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION IN

00:37:06.432,00:37:10.227
DECEMBER 2009.
AND WE HAD A DEVELOPER INITIATED
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE IN FEBRUARY.

00:37:10.229,00:37:17.706
WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS BACK
FROM AT THAT POINT IT WAS THE
RESIDENTS’ SOCIETY OF BOWNESS

00:37:17.708,00:37:22.071
RESIDENTS, NOT THE BOWNESS
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
WE DID RESPOND TO THEIR

00:37:22.073,00:37:26.510
QUESTIONS AND THOSE ARE IN YOUR
PACKAGE, IN YOUR AGENDA.
FROM THERE THE CITY — WE WENT

00:37:26.512,00:37:32.845
THROUGH THE CIRCULATION AND THE
CITY INITIATED THEIR PUBLIC OPEN
HOUSE IN NOVEMBER, AND THOSE

00:37:32.847,00:37:41.990
WERE MOSTLY DEALING WITH ARP
AMENDMENTS.
ADMINISTRATION MET WITH THE

00:37:41.992,00:37:46.427
BOWNESS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
PRIOR TO CPC.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RAISED

00:37:46.429,00:37:48.963
THERE.
>> SUCH AS?
>> THAT’S THEIR LETTER THAT’S

00:37:48.965,00:37:53.905
INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.
AND I’M NOT CERTAIN IF THERE’S
REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM THE

00:37:53.907,00:37:58.214
BOWNESS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
TODAY TO SPEAK TO IT, IN THOSE
COMMENTS A LOT OF IT WAS THE

00:37:58.216,00:38:03.714
LANGUAGE.
TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE LOCAL
ORIENTED CHARACTER VERSUS SAY A

00:38:03.716,00:38:08.852
LARGE COMMERCIAL CENTRE THAT WAS
THERE, WHICH WE HEARD RIGHT FROM
THE BEGINNING WAS NOT A LARGE

00:38:08.854,00:38:14.948
REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AREA IN
GREENBRIAR.
SO WE WENT TO PLANNING

00:38:14.950,00:38:20.324
COMMISSION AND SINCE FEBRUARY WE
HAD INITIATED — OUR OFFICE
INITIATED CONVERSATION RIGHT OFF

00:38:20.326,00:38:24.929
THE BAT TO ASK IF WE COULD GET A
CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, TRY TO WORK
THROUGH ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE.

00:38:24.931,00:38:30.434
WE FOLLOWED UP A FEW TIMES, AND
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION GOT
BACK TO ADMINISTRATION.

00:38:30.436,00:38:38.307
AND ASKED FOR SOME MORE DETAILED
INFORMATION, SO HE ARE WE
HELPED — WE HELPED CITY SUPPLY

00:38:38.309,00:38:44.315
THAT TO THE GROUP.
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
REQUESTED A MEETING, IT DIDN’T

00:38:44.317,00:38:49.419
WORK FOR ALL PARTIES, WE TRIED
TO FIND ANOTHER TIME.
THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO FIND

00:38:49.421,00:38:54.195
ANOTHER TIME.
WE TRIED TO MEET WITH THEM.
THERE WERE MANY E-MAILS THAT

00:38:54.197,00:38:58.302
OCCURRED BETWEEN OURSELVES AND
ADMINISTRATION TRYING TO SOLVE
THE ISSUES IN ADVANCE OF TODAY,

00:38:58.304,00:39:03.643
AND AS OF LAST WEEK WE RECEIVED
INFORMATION FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION THAT THE

00:39:03.645,00:39:08.377
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION SAID THEY
STAND ON THEIR E-MAIL — OR
THEIR INFORMATION FROM DECEMBER,

00:39:08.379,00:39:12.801
THAT’S THEIR POSITION.
THAT’S THE LATEST —
>> THE ORIGINAL E-MAIL, THE

00:39:12.803,00:39:15.737
ORIGINAL ISSUES EVEN DESPITE ALL
THE INFORMATION AND BACK AND
FORTH.

00:39:15.739,00:39:22.717
>> YEAH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

00:39:22.719,00:39:28.793
YOU, ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:39:28.795,00:39:36.753
NOT SURE WHICH OF YOU WOULD CARE
TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
BUT INSOFAR AS THE CURRENT ROAD

00:39:36.755,00:39:42.894
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS
TODAY, HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT CAN
ACTUALLY OCCUR TODAY?

00:39:42.896,00:39:49.502
>> ON THE SITE TODAY?
TODAY AS PER THE — OH, DO YOU
WANT TO ANSWER THAT ONE?

00:39:49.504,00:39:55.033
>> THERE IS A CAP IN PLACE FOR A
MAXIMUM OF 250 UNITS BOTH
COMBINED IN THIS PLAN AREA AND

00:39:55.035,00:40:01.108
THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY
APPROVED.
SO 250 RESIDENTIAL, NO

00:40:01.110,00:40:10.153
COMMERCIAL, NO OFFICE COMPONENT
WOULD BE PERMITTED.
EVEN TO BRING THOSE 250 ON LINE

00:40:10.155,00:40:18.665
MELCORP HAS BEEN AUTHOR
OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THOSE IF
THEY BROUGHT THOSE ON LINE AHEAD

00:40:18.667,00:40:23.399
OF THE INTERCHANGE.
>> EVEN AT THAT THERE’S STILL
FURTHER LIMITATIONS FOR SIX

00:40:23.401,00:40:31.696
LANES VERSUS EIGHT LANES?
>> , THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.
THAT IS CORRECT, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:40:31.698,00:40:38.163
THAT ENSURES FAIRNESS FOR ALL
THE SURROUNDING LAND OWNERS.
>> AND INSOFAR AS THE INTERNAL

00:40:38.165,00:40:44.833
ROAD NETWORK, YOU INDICATED THAT
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT
INDICATES THAT IT WILL NOT

00:40:44.835,00:40:48.841
ADVERSELY IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS
GOING TO BE LIKE?

00:40:48.843,00:40:55.151
IS IT GOING TO BE ALL ONE-WAYS,
SOME REVERSE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT?
WHAT DO YOU — WHAT IS THE

00:40:55.153,00:40:58.720
TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND
VISION IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC
MOVEMENT?

00:40:58.722,00:41:04.590
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WHAT THE TIA
INDICATES IS THAT THERE IS A
FAIRLY BALANCED DEMAND FOR THE

00:41:04.592,00:41:09.162
TRAFFIC HERE.
RIGHT NOW THE DEMAND IS
PREDOMINANTLY ONE DIRECTION, SO

00:41:09.164,00:41:15.338
IT’S OUT OF BONUS IN THE MORNING
TOWARDS THE — BOWNESS IN THE
MORNING AND THEN BACK IN IN THE

00:41:15.340,00:41:18.067
EVENING.
THAT WAS ALSO SORT OF THE
ORIGINAL VISION FOR THIS AS A

00:41:18.069,00:41:22.705
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BUT NOW
WITH THE MIXED USE IT’S ROUGHLY
ABOUT 50/50 IS WHAT THE BALANCE

00:41:22.707,00:41:26.976
WILL BE IN.
SO AS MANY PEOPLE GOING IN IN
THE MORNING AS ARE COMING OUT,

00:41:26.978,00:41:32.611
AND THAT HELPS BETTER UTILIZE
THAT EMPTY SPACE ON THE ROAD, SO
TO SPEAK.

00:41:32.613,00:41:37.721
>> IS THAT WHAT FORMED THE
DECISION TO BRING IN MORE OF AN
OFFICE COMPONENT?

00:41:37.723,00:41:44.187
>> THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON,
YES.
AND IT REALLY IS ABOUT MEETING

00:41:44.189,00:41:50.134
THE CITY’S VISION TO BALANCED,
COMPLETE COMMUNITY.
>> THE COMMUNITY INDICATED

00:41:50.136,00:41:57.007
CONCERNS ABOUT CCOR 3 AND THE
POTENTIAL FOR HAVING BIG BOX
DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU DID ADDRESS

00:41:57.009,00:42:02.142
IT IN SUMMARY TYPE FASHION IN
THE REPORT HERE.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD

00:42:02.144,00:42:05.315
ELABORATE A LITTLE FURTHER ON
THAT.
>> WHEN WE FIRST HAD SUBMITTED

00:42:05.317,00:42:12.595
THE APPLICATION WE SUBMITTED
THAT WHOLE SOUTHERN CELL, THE
LIGHTER PINK, AS CCOR 3 IN ORDER

00:42:12.597,00:42:18.591
TO ACCOMMODATE THE OFFICE AND
THE RETAIL KIND OF MORE AS A
SLASH BETWEEN THE WHOLE SITE.

00:42:18.593,00:42:22.496
DUE TO THEIR CONCERNS, THAT’S
WHERE WE BROKE THE SITE INTO TWO
TO ILLUSTRATE IT’S NOT GOING TO

00:42:22.498,00:42:29.731
BE A BIG BOX COMMERCIAL AREA.
THAT WE’D FOCUS THE OFFICE ON
THAT WESTERN PARCEL AND THAT THE

00:42:29.733,00:42:35.705
NEIGHBOURHOOD RETAIL WOULD BE
THIS EASTERN PARCEL TO ALLEVIATE
THOSE CONCERNS.

00:42:35.707,00:42:43.078
>> SO BY REDUCING THE SITE IN
HALF, YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT YOU
COULD ATTRACT A MAJOR ANCHOR

00:42:43.080,00:42:46.429
TENANTS IN THE AREA.
>> WE DO NOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, NO

00:42:46.431,00:42:49.474
FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I

00:42:49.476,00:42:57.642
MIGHT JUMP IN — SORRY.
WE’LL DO ALDERMAN KEATING AND
THEN I’LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

00:42:57.644,00:43:00.815
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
UNDERSTANDING NOT MUCH CAN GO
AHEAD UNTIL THE INTERCHANGE IS

00:43:00.817,00:43:05.853
THERE AND THE NEED TO WORK IN
TANDEM COMPLETELY BECAUSE THAT
MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE ON BOTH

00:43:05.855,00:43:11.157
SIDES OF THE TABLE, BUT WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS REPORT WAS
DELAYED UNTIL JUNE TO THE

00:43:11.159,00:43:17.622
PLANNING OR TO THE PROJECT IN
GENERAL?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE DELAY COMES

00:43:17.624,00:43:22.653
AT THE EXPENSE OF THE
ENGINEERING CAPACITY THAT WE
HAVE.

00:43:22.655,00:43:28.418
WE GENERALLY TRY TO BE — TO
TIME THIS INTERCHANGE WITH OUR
ENGINEERING.

00:43:28.420,00:43:32.925
SO TOWARDS THE END OF THE…
[Indiscernible]
WE ANTICIPATE HAVING OUR

00:43:32.927,00:43:37.098
ENGINEERING COMPLETED AT SUCH
TIME AS THE CITY WOULD HAVE
THEIRS.

00:43:37.100,00:43:41.340
IF WE STALL BEHIND ON THE
ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, WHEN IT
COMES TO THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE

00:43:41.342,00:43:47.884
OF THINGS, AND THERE’S THE DIRT
MOVEMENT THAT’S GOT TO HAPPEN
BETWEEN HIGHWAY 1 AND BEAUFORT

00:43:47.886,00:43:52.852
BECAUSE OF THE CUT ON THE
HIGHWAY AND THE FILL ON THE
BEAUFORT ROADSIDE, YOU’D HAVE A

00:43:52.854,00:43:56.987
DELAY IN THAT.
SO WHAT IT DOES, IT COMES BACK
TO THE EXPENSE OF THE CITY IN

00:43:56.989,00:44:00.917
TERMS OF WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO
DO — HOW THEY’RE GOING TO
MANAGE THAT DIRT BETWEEN

00:44:00.919,00:44:07.252
APPROVALS ON OUR SIDE AND THEM
COMMENCING CONSTRUCTION.
>> THANK YOU.

00:44:07.254,00:44:11.290
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN KEATING.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF LINES OF

00:44:11.292,00:44:15.396
QUESTIONING I WANT TO FOLLOW
WITH.
ONE IS THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM

00:44:15.398,00:44:22.098
OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED
IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT
INDEED THERE’S VERY LITTLE

00:44:22.100,00:44:29.574
DEMAND FOR OFFICE AND QUITE A
BIT OF DEMAND FOR BIG-BANK OFBOX
RETAIL.

00:44:29.576,00:44:33.641
I’M INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR
PERSPECTIVE ON THAT SINCE I
THINK I’M HEARING SOMETHING A

00:44:33.643,00:44:39.687
LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WE LOOK AT IT
FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE ON

00:44:39.689,00:44:45.720
THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
AS OPPOSED TO A PURE RETAIL
CENTRE.

00:44:45.722,00:44:51.654
WE OWN A SIGNIFICANT LAND
PORTION TO THE WEST PORTION OF
VALLEY RIDGE, AND IT’S OUR

00:44:51.656,00:44:57.134
INTENT HERE TO SCALE IT BACK TO
MORE OF A NEIGHBOURHOOD-SIZED
COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.

00:44:57.136,00:45:00.867
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU’RE
THINKING GROCERY STORE,
DRUGSTORES, THAT SORT OF THING?

00:45:00.869,00:45:04.106
>> YOUR WORSHIP, CORRECT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AND
DID YOU SAY IT’S ALSO INTENDED

00:45:04.108,00:45:07.276
TO SERVE THE FOLKS IN VALLEY
RIDGE?
>> NO.

00:45:07.278,00:45:11.849
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THERE’S NO DIRECT ACCESS.
>> THERE’S A NOTION OF A FUTURE

00:45:11.851,00:45:18.380
RETAIL COMPONENT, BIGGER BOX
RETAIL COMPONENT, WITHIN THE
WEST USAP AND THAT’S WHERE WE’VE

00:45:18.382,00:45:21.552
SEEN THE LARGER BOX GOING
FURTHER TO THE WEST.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S

00:45:21.554,00:45:27.089
VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
Mr. DELANEY, THIS MAY NOT BE A
FAIR QUESTION FOR YOU AND YOU

00:45:27.091,00:45:32.763
DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER IT BUT
SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT, YOU
TALKED ABOUT THE TII SHOWING THE

00:45:32.765,00:45:36.501
CAPACITY.
INTERCHANGE AS CURRENTLY PLANNED
SHOULD BE ADEQUATE.

00:45:36.503,00:45:40.572
AS YOU ALL A KNOW, THERE HAVE
BEEN A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO WHAT
IS BEING PLANNED ON THE OTHER

00:45:40.574,00:45:43.946
SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE
TRANSPORTATION STUDIES THAT HAVE

00:45:43.948,00:45:50.518
BEEN DONE TO DATE — I’M GOING
TO ASK Mr. VANDER PUTIN LATER
AS WELL, DO THEY INCORPORATE THE

00:45:50.520,00:45:59.855
POTENTIAL CHANGES ON THE OTHER
SIDE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, Mr.

00:45:59.857,00:46:06.458
Mr. VANDERPUTIN MIGHT BE BEST
PLACED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

00:46:06.460,00:46:09.232
YOU.
THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THESE

00:46:09.234,00:46:13.670
FOLK?
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE
TODAY.

00:46:13.672,00:46:17.677
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR OF THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN

00:46:17.679,00:46:21.454
FAVOUR?
ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST

00:46:21.456,00:46:27.959
THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION?

00:46:33.957,00:46:39.554
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I COME HERE
WITH THREE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
BOWNESS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

00:46:39.556,00:46:43.667
AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT
THEY BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK RIGHT
AFTER ME.

00:46:43.669,00:46:52.452
SO THAT THE FLOW OF THE
PRESENTATION IS PRESERVED.
THANK YOU.

00:46:52.454,00:46:59.128
YOUR WORSHIP AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JOE
LISERDOVICH.

00:46:59.130,00:47:02.761
I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOWNESS
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION OF WHICH I
AM A DIRECTOR.

00:47:02.763,00:47:12.637
THE CURRENT VERSION OF BYLAW 7 P
95 KNOWN AS THE BOWNESS AREA
REDEVELOPMENT PLAN OR BOWNESS

00:47:12.639,00:47:19.413
ARP CAME INTO EFFECT IN
JUNE 2008 AND WAS A RESULT OF AN
INTENSE PROCESS OF COMMUNITY

00:47:19.415,00:47:26.199
CONSULTATION THAT IMPLEMENTED
THE POLICIES NOW SUPPORTED BY
PLAN IT CALGARY.

00:47:26.201,00:47:31.603
THEY SUPPORT HIGHER WALKABLE AND
WHOLE COMMUNITIES WITH LINEAR
OPEN GREEN SPACE AND ADEQUATE

00:47:31.605,00:47:39.871
PUBLIC TRANSIT.
IN SHAR SHARP CONTRAST, THE PROD
AMENDMENTS NOW IN FRONT OF

00:47:39.873,00:47:43.675
COUNCIL HAS BEEN GENERATED WITH
NO COMMUNITY CONSULTATION
THROUGH A PROCESS IN WHICH CITY

00:47:43.677,00:47:49.623
PLANNERS APPEAR TO BE MAINLY
ACCOMMODATING DEVELOPER
REQUIREMENTS BY CREATING A DENSE

00:47:49.625,00:47:55.463
COMMERCIAL CORE WITH LARGE
RETAIL SPACES AND PARKING LOTS
IN AN AREA CURRENTLY DESIGNATED

00:47:55.465,00:48:01.571
AS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD
ALLOW FOR A VEHICLE-DEPENDENT

00:48:01.573,00:48:29.715
COMMUNITY
ARRANGED BY THE CITY PLANNING
DEPARTMENT ON NOVEMBER 4th,

00:48:29.717,00:48:34.456
2010.
THIS EVENT FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON
THE GREENBRIAR AREA PHASE II

00:48:34.458,00:48:39.161
OUTLINE PLAN PROPOSED AND
GLOSSED OVER THE AMENDMENTS TO
THE ARP.

00:48:39.163,00:48:45.207
THE EVENT WAS ADVERTISED USING
ROAD SIGNS, THE INVITATIONS TO
COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES WERE

00:48:45.209,00:48:51.346
DELIVERED LATE.
IN ADDITION TO OBJECTING TO THE
CONTENTS OF THE PROPOSED ARP

00:48:51.348,00:48:59.824
AMENDMENTS, THE BCA STRENUOUSLY
OBJECTS TO THE VEILED PROCESS
THROUGH WHICH THE BYLAW WAS

00:48:59.826,00:49:04.787
ARRIVED AT AND THE WAY IN WHICH
IT WAS DOWNPLAYED AS PART OF A
DEVELOP OPEN HOUSE.

00:49:04.789,00:49:11.559
NOW, REGARDING THE GREENBRIAR
STUDY AREA, THE CURRENT BOWNESS
ARP IS BYLAW 7 P 95.

00:49:11.561,00:49:16.608
CONTRARY TO SOUND POLICIES
CONTAINED IN THE BONUS ARP AND
PLAN IT CALGARY, THE BCA

00:49:16.610,00:49:20.738
PERCEIVES A TREND THAT
DISREGARDS THESE POLICIES IN
FAVOUR OF DEVELOPERS AND AT THE

00:49:20.740,00:49:26.074
EXPENSE OF LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE
COMMUNITY.
IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO

00:49:26.076,00:49:31.819
NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO THE BOWNESS ARP
AFFECT THE ENTIRE GREENBRIAR

00:49:31.821,00:49:39.917
SPECIAL STUDY AREA.
NOT JUST THE MELCORP LANDS IN
CELL 3.

00:49:39.919,00:49:45.064
THESE ARE CELL 1 GREENBRIAR PARK
SITE AND CELL 2 GREENWOOD
VILLAGE.

00:49:45.066,00:49:57.996
I REFER TO THE TABLE IN EXHIBIT
7 — THANK YOU.
THAT SHOWS THAT ITEM 33 OF THE

00:49:57.998,00:50:06.133
PROPOSED BYLAW 12 P 2011 LIMITS
THE TOTAL AREA RETAIL USES IN
THE GREENBRIAR STUDY AREA TO

00:50:06.135,00:50:14.376
19.500 SQUARE METRES PLUS OR
MINUS 975 SQUARE METRES.
THAT RESTRICTION APPLIES TO THE

00:50:14.378,00:50:21.778
ENTIRE GREENBRIAR STUDY AREA.
THE TABLE IN EXHIBIT 7 ALSO
SHOWS THAT THE PROPOSED BYLAW

00:50:21.780,00:50:32.217
ESTABLISHING NOMINAL LIMITS OF
5,000 SQUARE METRES FOR RETAIL
SITES USED IN CELLS 1, 2 AND 3.

00:50:32.219,00:50:38.390
PROVISION IS MADE FOR ADDITIONAL
RETAIL SPACE IN SITES A AND B IF
UNDERGROUND PARKING IS PROVIDED.

00:50:38.392,00:50:46.665
AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT 7, THE TOTAL
PROPOSED RETAIL SPACE IN CELL 3
ADDS UP TO 19.500 SQUARE METRES

00:50:46.667,00:50:52.603
PLUS OR MINUS 975 SQUARE MEETS.
THIS IS THE TOTAL SPACE ALLOWED
BY THE PROPOSED BYLAW FOR THE

00:50:52.605,00:50:58.175
ENTIRETY GREENBRIAR STUDY AREA.
IF PASSED, THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS WOULD ENTRENCH IN A

00:50:58.177,00:51:05.117
BYLAW TO DISCRIMINATING
ALLOCATION OF RETAIL SPACE TO
ONE PARCEL OWNER AND WOULD

00:51:05.119,00:51:10.731
EXCLUDE TWO ADJACENT SIMILARLY
SIZED PARCELS.
THE BCA IS CONCERNED THE

00:51:10.733,00:51:15.975
PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD DRIVE A
HIGH COMMERCIAL CONCENTRATION IN
ONE PARCEL.

00:51:15.977,00:51:21.383
THIS IS OPPOSITE TO THE CONCEPT
OF A WHOLE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED
BY PLAN IT CALGARY AND BY THE

00:51:21.385,00:51:30.377
CURRENT ARP.
I WILL ASK ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO PROCEED

00:51:30.379,00:51:34.918
WITH THE NEXT STATEMENT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’M
JUST GOING TO PRETEND THAT ALL

00:51:34.920,00:51:39.796
OF YOU ARE PROTECTING AS
INDIVIDUALS.
SO — PRESENTING AS INDIVIDUALS.

00:51:39.798,00:51:45.434
SO YOU EACH GET FIVE MINUTES,
AND THEN WE’LL TAKE SOME
QUESTIONS AT THE END.

00:51:45.436,00:51:51.949
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I’LL CLARIFY
SOMETHING.
YOU’VE GIVEN ME A HANDOUT I

00:51:51.951,00:51:54.346
THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE
DISTRIBUTING TO MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL.

00:51:54.348,00:51:58.917
DO YOU HAVE YOUR COPIES HANDY?
>> YES, THEY ARE AVAILABLE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WE CAN

00:51:58.919,00:52:04.582
DISTRIBUTE THOSE IF YOU’VE GOT
35 COPIES.
>> I DIDN’T SEE THEM AND I

00:52:04.584,00:52:10.529
WANTED TO KNOW IF HE HAD THEM.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.

00:52:16.269,00:52:19.067
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ARE THERE ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I

00:52:19.069,00:52:26.436
DON’T SEE ANY BUT WE’LL RESERVE
THE RIGHT TO CALL YOU BACK
SHOULD ANYONE HAVE ANY.

00:52:26.438,00:52:35.451
>> YOUR WORSHIP AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, I SPEAK AT THE REQUEST
OF THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY

00:52:35.453,00:52:37.716
ASSOCIATION OF WHICH I AM A
MEMBER.
PROPOSALS FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS

00:52:37.718,00:52:43.495
IN THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF BOWNESS
CONTINUE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE
BOWNESS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

00:52:43.497,00:52:49.062
FOR COMMENT IN A PIECEMEAL
FASHION.
EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF JUST

00:52:49.064,00:52:59.342
CELL 3, GREENBRIAR, AND MELCORP
LANDS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR
COMMENTS IN PHASES, LEAVING CELL

00:52:59.344,00:53:07.073
1, THE RADKE PHASE, OUT WITH NO
ATTEMPT TO INTEGRATE THESE
SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS FROM THE

00:53:07.075,00:53:13.451
POINT OF VIEW OF THE COMMUNITY
AND THE CITY.
THIS DISJOINTED PRESENTATION

00:53:13.453,00:53:19.289
PREVENTS A CLEAR PICTURE OF THE
LARGE-SCALE IMPACT THAT THESE
DEVELOPMENTS WILL HAVE ON THE

00:53:19.291,00:53:25.654
BOWNESS AND THE NEIGHBOURING
COMMUNITIES AND THE CITY AS A
WHOLE.

00:53:25.656,00:53:30.991
A LACK OF AN OVERARCHING
DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN FOR THE
SOUTHWEST SIDE OF BOWNESS IS

00:53:30.993,00:53:37.834
EVIDENT.
IF WE ADD TO THE MIX THE RECENT
DEVELOPMENT AND PROPOSAL OF WIN

00:53:37.836,00:53:44.733
SPORT LAND THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF THE TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY,
THE INADEQUACIES OF THESE

00:53:44.735,00:53:55.715
INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE SOUTHWEST
BOWNESS SURFACE QUICKLY.
AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT 8,

00:53:55.717,00:53:59.019
GREENBRIAR IS NATURALLY ISOLATED
FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY
OF BOWNESS.

00:53:59.021,00:54:06.431
IT HAS NO ACCESS TO STONEY TRAIL
OR TO THE TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY,
OTHER THAN A SINGLE POINT ENTRY

00:54:06.433,00:54:12.575
AT BEAUFORT ROAD.
BOWNESS PARK AND WOODS HOMES AT
THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OFFERS NO

00:54:12.577,00:54:17.465
ACCESS ROAD.
THE COMMUNITY OF GREENWOOD
VILLAGE TO THE NORTH IS PRIVATE

00:54:17.467,00:54:22.626
AND FENCED.
83rd STREET NORTHWEST TO THE
SOUTH OF THE SINGLE POINT OF

00:54:22.628,00:54:28.001
ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY OF
BOWNESS.
THE GREENBRIAR AND GREENBRIAR

00:54:28.003,00:54:34.069
PARKSIDE DEVELOPMENTS WILL
INCREASE THE POPULATION OF
BOWNESS BY AN ESTIMATED 50%.

00:54:34.071,00:54:42.518
THE COMBINATION OF MELCORP, CAD
E.R. AND WIN SPORT DEVELOPMENTS
WILL ADD — RADKE AND WIN SPORT

00:54:42.520,00:54:45.983
DEVELOPMENTS WILL ADD
SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE TRAFFIC IN
THE AREA.

00:54:45.985,00:54:54.651
THE PROPOSED INTERCHANGE IS A
TEN-YEAR DESIGN THAT IS NOT
ANTICIPATED, THE TOTAL BUILT-OUT

00:54:54.653,00:55:02.498
POTENTIAL OF GREENBRIAR SPECIAL
STUDY AREA.
SUSPECADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY

00:55:02.500,00:55:12.215
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WIN
SPORT, NOR DID THEY ANTICIPATE
THE SHORTCOMING TRAFFIC IN THE

00:55:12.217,00:55:16.357
NORTHWEST.
TRAFFIC SIMULATIONS SHOWN AT THE
PLANNING — TO THE PLANNING AND

00:55:16.359,00:55:23.755
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE OF THE
BOWNESS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BY
THE CITY OF CALGARY TRAFFIC

00:55:23.757,00:55:27.653
ENGINEERS MADE THIS ABUNDANTLY
CLEAR.
THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY

00:55:27.655,00:55:31.034
ASSOCIATION IS CONCERNED WITH
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT’S
PIECEMEAL SUBMISSION OF THIS

00:55:31.036,00:55:38.705
PROJECT AND THE ABSENCE OF THE
OVERAVERAGING PLAN FOR THE —
OVERARCHING PLAN FOR THE AREA.

00:55:38.707,00:55:43.111
PIECEMEAL SUBMISSIONS DO NOT
EMBRACE THE TYPE OF GOOD URBAN
PLANNING THAT THE CITY IS

00:55:43.113,00:55:51.515
CAPABLE OF AND DESERVES.
THANK YOU.
[Inaudible]

00:55:51.517,00:55:54.750
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
TODAY.
SO, IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS, WHAT

00:55:54.752,00:55:59.760
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THIS
PIECE OF LAND?
>> I THINK THAT EVERYTHING HAS

00:55:59.762,00:56:09.391
TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING PHASE
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AREA
AS A WHOLE AS OPPOSED TO ALL THE

00:56:09.393,00:56:14.957
PIECEMEALS THAT WE’RE LOOKING
AT.
WE SAW A MODEL OF WHAT HAPPENED

00:56:14.959,00:56:23.227
WITH JUST THE ADDITION OF THE
WIN SPORT DEVELOPMENT, AND THE
TRAFFIC WAS HORRENDOUS AT THAT

00:56:23.229,00:56:28.899
POINT.
SO TO ADD ON ALL OF THESE OTHER
DEVELOPMENTS IS A BIG CONCERN.

00:56:28.901,00:56:33.372
>> SO IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT
TRAFFIC AND THAT’S YOUR ONLY
CONCERN?

00:56:33.374,00:56:37.104
>> NO, THERE’S SEVERAL DIFFERENT
CONCERNS.
IT DOESN’T FOLLOW PLAN IT AS

00:56:37.106,00:56:42.366
WELL, AND WE WILL BE TALKING
ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
>> OKAY.

00:56:42.368,00:56:51.584
SO IT’S SOMETIMES MY EXPERIENCE,
NOT ALWAYS, BUT WHEN SOME PEOPLE
ASK FOR MASTER PLANS, IT’S OFTEN

00:56:51.586,00:56:56.576
BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT REALLY
WANTING TO SEE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I’M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND

00:56:56.578,00:57:04.590
OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD YOU LIKE TO
SEE IN THIS LOCATION?
IS IT — I MEAN —

00:57:04.592,00:57:11.868
>> WE DO WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT
IN THAT AREA.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON

00:57:11.870,00:57:16.776
THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
WE ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE
CONNECTED TO THE OTHER — THE

00:57:16.778,00:57:23.541
REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY ISOLATED.
WE WANT TO SEE PATHWAYS, WE WANT

00:57:23.543,00:57:28.521
TO SEE BICYCLE LANES, WE WANT TO
SEE BETTER TRANSIT IN THAT AREA.
WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

00:57:28.523,00:57:33.932
INTERCHANGE ITSELF AND HOW THAT
INTERCHANGE IS GOING TO AFFECT
ACCESS INTO THE REST OF THE

00:57:33.934,00:57:37.137
COMMUNITY.
SO THERE’S SEVERAL DIFFERENT
ISSUES.

00:57:37.139,00:57:44.682
>> SO YOU WANT LESS VEHICULAR
TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH YOUR
NEIGHBOURHOOD AND MORE

00:57:44.684,00:57:48.679
PERMEABILITY INTO THIS NEW
COMMUNITY VIA OTHER MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION.

00:57:48.681,00:57:54.049
IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SUGGESTING?
>> YES, FOR SURE.
>> OKAY.

00:57:54.051,00:57:59.803
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN FARRELL.

00:57:59.805,00:58:05.506
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, YOU’VE
MENTIONED THE GREENBRIAR

00:58:05.508,00:58:10.933
PARKSIDE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST
OF THE MELCORP SITE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT

00:58:10.935,00:58:17.311
ON THE VIEW GRAPH, PLEASE?
PERHAPS Mr. McKENZIE CAN
GIVE YOU A HAND THERE.

00:58:17.313,00:58:21.940
THAT’S IT.
NOW, THAT APPLICATION IS IN
CIRCULATION.

00:58:21.942,00:58:25.677
CORRECT?
>> YES.
>> AND IT’S APPROXIMATELY

00:58:25.679,00:58:30.054
ANOTHER 50 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL
AND SOME PROPOSED COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT.

00:58:30.056,00:58:33.796
CORRECT?
>> YES.
>> AND DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY

00:58:33.798,00:58:43.916
RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEY’RE
PROPOSING THERE?
I CAN TELL YOU.

00:58:43.918,00:58:46.113
>> 854?
>> OVER 800.
THAT’S THE CONCERN YOU’RE

00:58:46.115,00:58:51.050
RAISING ABOUT THE PIECE MEDICAL
A– PIECEMEAL APPROACH,
APPLICATIONS COMING IN

00:58:51.052,00:58:55.327
SEPARATELY WHICH THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT CAN’T CONTROL BUT
IT’S A FACT THERE ARE OTHER

00:58:55.329,00:58:57.263
APPLICATIONS RIGHT IN THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD, RIGHT IN THE
NEARBY AREA.

00:58:57.265,00:59:00.165
>> YES.
>> THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, YOUR

00:59:00.167,00:59:03.434
WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.

00:59:03.436,00:59:08.607
ALDERMAN MAR?
>> THANK YOU.
AND, I’M SORRY, I DIDN’T CATCH

00:59:08.609,00:59:17.064
YOUR NAME.
>> JUDY VAN DEN BRINK.
>> YOU’VE OBVIOUSLY DONE A LOFT

00:59:17.066,00:59:21.736
WORK HERE AND CARE DEEPLY ABOUT
YOUR COMMUNITY.
HOW WOULD YOU SAY THE

00:59:21.738,00:59:27.631
COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE
DEVELOPER AND THE CITY OF
CALGARY AND YOURSELVES AS THE

00:59:27.633,00:59:33.608
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN
SINCE THIS WAS TABLED?
>> WELL, THE ONLY INFORMATION

00:59:33.610,00:59:41.020
THAT I ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT
THERE WAS CONVERSATION GOING
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE

00:59:41.022,00:59:46.363
DEVELOPERS IS THROUGH THE OPEN
HOUSE PROCESS.
AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE, THAT WAS

00:59:46.365,00:59:50.896
THE ONLY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION
THAT I WAS AWARE OF.
>> AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE

00:59:50.898,00:59:54.268
DIRECTORS OF THE —
>> NO, I’M NOT A DIRECTOR.
I’M A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

00:59:54.270,00:59:56.836
MEMBER.
>> OKAY.
I’M SORRY.

00:59:56.838,01:00:00.607
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONE OF THE
DIRECTORS OF THE COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION.

01:00:00.609,01:00:05.650
PERHAPS MY COMMENTS SHOULD BE
DIRECTED TO ONE OF THEM INSTEAD.
THAT’S MY QUESTION FOR NOW.

01:00:05.652,01:00:09.685
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN MAR.

01:00:09.687,01:00:12.218
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
OKAY.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

01:00:12.220,01:00:28.560
>> THANK YOU.
>> MORNING.
>> MORNING.

01:00:28.562,01:00:34.099
YOUR WORSHIP AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, MY NAME IS NICKY SMYTH.
THIS THING MOVES!

01:00:34.101,01:00:38.009
AND I’M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION OF WHICH I’M THE

01:00:38.011,01:00:41.612
DIRECTOR.
WE WISH TO BRING TO ATTENTION OF
COUNCIL THE IMPACT ON BOWNESS OF

01:00:41.614,01:00:46.009
THE AMENDMENTS TO THE —
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE
BOWNESS ARP.

01:00:46.011,01:00:52.444
WE WOULD AT THE SAME TIME LIKE
TO DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION
INCONSISTENCIES IN THE

01:00:52.446,01:00:57.025
DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED TO
COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO PROPOSED
DENSITY.

01:00:57.027,01:01:05.899
THE CPC 2011-018 SUMMARY THAT
YOU HAVE RECEIVED INDICATES AN
INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY

01:01:05.901,01:01:12.270
IN CELL 3 TO 34.26 UNITS PER
HECTARE.
ANTICIPATING A TOTAL OF 835

01:01:12.272,01:01:21.050
UNITS.
A DENSITY OF 34.26 UNITS PER
HECTARE WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR

01:01:21.052,01:01:26.489
873 UNITS.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT FOR
THE ARP TALKS ABOUT 32 UNITS PER

01:01:26.491,01:01:34.765
HECTARE FOR THE ENTIRE
GREENBRIAR STUDY AREA WHICH
WOULD BE A TOTAL OF IN CELL 3,

01:01:34.767,01:01:43.102
822 UNITS.
MAP 3 C IN THE SAME PROPOSED
AMENDMENT DESCRIBED AN ALLOWABLE

01:01:43.104,01:01:50.901
MAXIMUM OF 800 UNITS, WHICH IS
THE EQUIVALENT OF 31.1 UNITS PER
HECTARE.

01:01:50.903,01:01:59.240
THE CURRENT BOWNESS ARP STATES
UNDER POLICIES GENERAL THE
MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS

01:01:59.242,01:02:09.475
20 UNITS PER HECTARE TO A
MAXIMUM OF 30 UNITS PER HECTARE
BASED ON GROSS DEVELOPABLE AREA.

01:02:09.477,01:02:18.379
EXHIBIT 1 OWS THAT THE CURRENT
ARP CAPS THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN
CELL 3 OF THE GREENBRIAR AREA AT

01:02:18.381,01:02:24.160
764.
THE PROPOSED ARP TEXT AMENDMENT
INCREASES THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF

01:02:24.162,01:02:30.258
UNITS PER HECTARE BY 6.7%
THROUGHOUT THE GREENBRIAR
SPECIAL STUDY AREA.

01:02:30.260,01:02:37.203
WE BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE
PROPOSED MAP 3 C GREENBRIAR
DENSITY EXHIBIT 2 THAT SHOULD

01:02:37.205,01:02:46.449
THIS AMENDMENT TO THE BOWNESS
ARP BE APPROVED THE ALLOWED
DENSITY CELLS 1 TO 5 WOULD

01:02:46.451,01:02:49.852
INCREASE AND THIS IS NOT
REFLECTED IN THE FIGURES ON THE
MAP PROTECTED.

01:02:49.854,01:02:57.192
THE CELL 5 INCREASES ARE NOT
REPRESENTED, AND THE TOTALS IN
THE ALLOWABLE RESIDENTIAL

01:02:57.194,01:03:03.280
DENSITY RANGES ARE INACCURATE.
THEY ARE IN FACT THE FIGURES
FROM THE EXISTING ARP.

01:03:03.282,01:03:11.127
SO JUST TO — WE’VE ATTACHED IN
YOUR PACKAGE THAT WE BROUGHT TO
SHOW YOU WHAT THE ACTUAL CORRECT

01:03:11.129,01:03:17.631
FIGURES SHOULD BE.
THE CURRENT POPULATION OF
BOWNESS IS ESTIMATED AT 11.000

01:03:17.633,01:03:25.208
RESIDENTS, EXHIBIT 4.
IN THE WORST CASE, AMONGST ALL
THE VARIED AND CONFUSING FIGURES

01:03:25.210,01:03:31.179
PRESENTED AND ASSUMING A
CONSERVATIVE AVERAGE OF 2.5
RESIDENTS PER UNIT, THE

01:03:31.181,01:03:37.918
DEVELOPMENT OF CELL 3 ALONE AS
PROPOSED WILL RESULT IN
APPROXIMATELY 2500 ADDITIONAL

01:03:37.920,01:03:42.628
BOWNESS RESIDENTS.
THAT’S AN INCREASE OF 20% IN THE
POPULATION OF BOWNESS.

01:03:42.630,01:03:49.400
IF WE THEN CALCULATE THE TOTAL
POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THE

01:03:49.402,01:03:55.734
POPULATION OF THE GREENBRIAR
SPECIAL STUDY AREA RISES TO
APPROXIMATELY 6300 PEOPLE WHICH

01:03:55.736,01:04:01.678
IS AN INCREASE OF OVER 50% IN
THE POPULATION OF BOWNESS.
THE OVERALL EFFECT OF THE

01:04:01.680,01:04:07.722
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD BE TO
CREATE A VEHICLE-DEPENDENT AND
INCOMPLETE COMMUNITY, SINCE

01:04:07.724,01:04:13.128
RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TO CIRCULATE
MAINLY THROUGH 83rd STREET
NORTHWEST TO GAIN ACCESS TO

01:04:13.130,01:04:18.762
COMMUNITY AMENITIES SUCH AS
RECREATION FACILITIES, SCHOOLS,
SHOPPING AREAS, BOWNESS PARK AND

01:04:18.764,01:04:24.006
OTHER GREEN SPACES.
THE COMMUNITY HALL AND LOCAL
EVENTS THAT WOULD NOT BE

01:04:24.008,01:04:29.569
AVAILABLE IN THE GREENBRIAR
AREA.
THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THIS

01:04:29.571,01:04:36.051
PROPOSED AMENDMENT MAY INCREASE
THE POPULATION OF BOWNESS BY
MORE THAN 50% IN AN AREA THAT IS

01:04:36.053,01:04:40.215
GEOGRAPHICALLY ISOLATED FROM THE
REST OF THE COMMUNITY WITH ONLY
ONE ACCESS ROAD.

01:04:40.217,01:04:48.459
THE CURRENT BOWNESS ARP STATES
UNDER POLICIES GENERAL THE
PREDOMINANT LAND USE IN

01:04:48.461,01:04:53.898
GREENBRIAR AREA SHALL BE
RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROPOSED BYLAW ADDS TO THE

01:04:53.900,01:04:58.271
SPECIFIC POLICY COMMUNITY
ORIENTED COMMERCIAL INCLUDING
RETAIL AND OFFICE USES MAY BE

01:04:58.273,01:05:05.045
PERMITTED WHERE APPROPRIATE.
OFFICE USES ARE SPECIFICALLY
EXCLUDED FROM THE CURRENT ARP AS

01:05:05.047,01:05:12.331
THEY TYPICALLY RESULT IN TRAFFIC
OF REGIONAL POPULATION AND WOULD
CONTRADICT ITEMS IN THE

01:05:12.333,01:05:15.395
GREENBRIAR SECTION OF THE
CURRENT ARP THAT READ AS
FOLLOWS: UNDER POLICIES

01:05:15.397,01:05:20.794
COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE,
COMMERCIAL USES SHALL BE LOCALLY
ORIENTED, COMMERCIAL USES THAT

01:05:20.796,01:05:26.359
ARE ORIENTED TO A REGIONAL
POPULATION SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED.
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS MAY

01:05:26.361,01:05:33.440
INCLUDE GROCERY AND RETAIL
STORES, LIVE, WORK, RESTAURANTS
AND PERSONAL USES, HIGH TRAFFIC

01:05:33.442,01:05:38.004
GENERATING USES SHALL BE
DISCOURAGED.
THE SCALE OF COMMERCIAL

01:05:38.006,01:05:43.444
OPERATIONS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE
WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT AND
SHOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE

01:05:43.446,01:05:47.347
QUALITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL
ENVIRONMENT.
THE COMBINATION OF INCREASED

01:05:47.349,01:05:52.721
POPULATION AND THE PRESENCE OF A
COMMERCIAL CORE WILL ATTRACT
REGIONAL TRAFFIC THAT CANNOT BE

01:05:52.723,01:05:58.463
SUPPORTED BY THE PROPOSED ROAD
INFRASTRUCTURE.
IN TERMS OF THE VISION FOR THE

01:05:58.465,01:06:04.489
COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA, THERE IS
ONE.
AND IT’S WELL-EXPRESSED IN THE

01:06:04.491,01:06:10.689
CURRENT ARP AND IS THE RESULT OF
A LONG PROCESS OF CONSULTATION
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND IT’S A

01:06:10.691,01:06:16.398
RECENT ONE, 2008.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DON’T

01:06:16.400,01:06:22.512
GO TOO FAR, MISS SMYTH.
I THINK ALDERMAN MAR HAS A
QUESTION FOR YOU HERE.

01:06:22.514,01:06:27.173
>> THANK YOU.
AND SO YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD MY
COMMENT TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER

01:06:27.175,01:06:32.347
WITH REGARDS TO THE DIALOGUE
THAT’S BEEN GOING ON BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AS ONE OF

01:06:32.349,01:06:37.452
THE DIRECTORS.
AND THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY
OF CALGARY.

01:06:37.454,01:06:41.515
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THAT?
I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS AN OPEN

01:06:41.517,01:06:45.425
HOUSE BUT WAS THERE SOME
DIALOGUE AS WELL?
>> I THINK JOE IS THE BEST

01:06:45.427,01:06:50.528
PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
FORMALLY I WAS ALSO THE
CHAIRPERSON OF THE SOCIETY OF

01:06:50.530,01:06:58.100
BOWNESS RESIDENTS AND THAT WAS
THE INITIAL COMMUNITY CONTACT
THAT WAS MADE.

01:06:58.102,01:07:05.613
WE SUBMITTED OUR COMMENTS,
EVENTUALLY INFORMATION WAS
FORWARDED BACK THAT CONTAINED

01:07:05.615,01:07:09.987
MISS OBERG’S RESPONSE TO OUR
COMMENTS.
AND THEN WHATEVER PROCESS

01:07:09.989,01:07:18.295
HAPPENS, HAPPENS WITHIN —
BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE
CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

01:07:18.297,01:07:27.606
WE WERE THEN ASKED TO RE-COMMENT
SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO THE
OPEN HOUSE.

01:07:27.608,01:07:34.488
WE ACTUALLY ONLY LEARNED ABOUT
IT THROUGH THE COURTESY OF MISS
OBERG WHO HAD CONTACTED ME AND

01:07:34.490,01:07:38.193
LET ME KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING
ON.
>> AND WHO HOSTED THE OPEN

01:07:38.195,01:07:41.290
HOUSE?
WAS THAT PUT ON BY THE DEVELOPER
OR CITY OF CALGARY?

01:07:41.292,01:07:51.163
>> IT WAS THE CITY OF CALGARY,
BUT IT WAS…
IT WAS LARGELY A PRESENTATION

01:07:51.165,01:07:57.666
AND DISCUSSION OF THE OUTLINE
PLAN.
AND THE LAND USE REDESIGNATIONS.

01:07:57.668,01:08:05.588
THE AMENDMENTS — THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO THE ARP WERE A
LITTLE BIT HARD TO FIGURE OUT,

01:08:05.590,01:08:09.256
EVEN.
THEY WEREN’T WRITTEN IN ANY
SPECIFIC FORMAT THAT WE COULD

01:08:09.258,01:08:15.263
TAKE HOME WITH US AND GO OH,
THAT’S WHAT THIS MEANS.
AND THERE WAS ALSO — THERE WAS

01:08:15.265,01:08:20.896
JUST AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT LET’S
DISCUSS THE OUTLINE PLAN.
>> THESE ARE COMPLICATED.

01:08:20.898,01:08:25.931
ARPs AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE
ARE REALLY QUITE COMPLICATED.
>> IT’S OUR CONTENTION THAT

01:08:25.933,01:08:30.405
THEY’RE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE
ISSUES.
THIS PARTICULAR OUTLINE PLAN

01:08:30.407,01:08:35.712
CAN’T GO AHEAD WITHOUT THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ARP.
AND WE FELT THAT THOSE TWO

01:08:35.714,01:08:40.983
THINGS NEEDED TO BE PULLED OUT
AS SEPARATE ISSUES.
>> AND YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS IN

01:08:40.985,01:08:45.216
CONFLICT WITH THE ARP,
OBVIOUSLY.
>> YES.

01:08:45.218,01:08:50.679
AND IN FACT EVEN MORE SO — EVEN
WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO
THE ARP, NOT ALL OF WHICH WE

01:08:50.681,01:08:54.852
OBJECT TO, SOME OF THEM ARE
QUITE GOOD.
BUT THERE’S SOME VERY CRITICAL

01:08:54.854,01:09:02.856
ONES, THE ONES THAT WERE BROUGHT
UP RIGHT NOW, THAT ARE IN
CONTRADICTION TO THE EXISTING

01:09:02.858,01:09:08.797
ARP AND TO PHRASES AND SECTIONS
OF THE PROPOSED ARP.
>> RIGHT.

01:09:08.799,01:09:16.178
WHAT I’VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE
COMMUNITY HAS REALLY BEEN
CONCERNS — ACCESS OBVIOUSLY IS

01:09:16.180,01:09:20.852
A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
>> YES.
>> THE INTERCHANGE BEING ONE OF

01:09:20.854,01:09:27.062
THE MAJOR, MAJOR TRANSPORTATION
COMPONENTS.
IF WE PROCEEDED WITH THE

01:09:27.064,01:09:31.532
INTERCHANGE, AND COULD ASSURE
YOU THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE
DONE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOUR

01:09:31.534,01:09:37.645
COMFORT LEVEL, IF YOU WILL?
>> FIRST, MARILYN WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE

01:09:37.647,01:09:42.521
TRAFFIC STUFF ANYWAY.
BUT I’D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
THE DESIGN FOR THE INTERCHANGE

01:09:42.523,01:09:51.998
IS A 10-YEAR-OLD DESIGN.
AND DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
THE — FIRST OF ALL, WHEN IT WAS

01:09:52.000,01:09:57.737
DESIGNED IT DIDN’T TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT AMENDMENTS TO THE ARP
THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE KIND OF

01:09:57.739,01:10:00.935
INCREASE THAT WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT.
AND IT DIDN’T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT

01:10:00.937,01:10:03.974
DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT BE
HAPPENING ON THE WIN SPORT
LANDS.

01:10:03.976,01:10:12.018
IT ALSO DIDN’T TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT — I DON’T THINK THAT
ANYBODY ANTICIPATED OVER TIME

01:10:12.020,01:10:16.781
HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING
TO BE HAPPENING TO THE WEST.
SO THERE’S A TRAFFIC FLOW THAT

01:10:16.783,01:10:23.757
HAPPENS ON THE TRANSCANADA THAT
NO MATTER WHAT THAT DESIGN DOES,
IT IS STILL GOING TO BE

01:10:23.759,01:10:29.694
BOTTLENECKING.
THERE’S A BRIDGE OVER THE BOW
RIVER ON TRANSCANADA LEADING

01:10:29.696,01:10:34.205
INTO MONTGOMERY, FOR INSTANCE,
THAT ISN’T GOING TO BE WIDENED
AS PART OF THIS WHOLE DESIGN.

01:10:34.207,01:10:41.608
SO TRAFFIC’S GOING TO BE BACKING
UP AND BOTTLENECKING THERE.
SIMILARLY, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES

01:10:41.610,01:10:51.084
THAT WE LOOKED AT DIDN’T LOOK AT
HOW THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BE
FLOWING OFF OF 83rd INT BOWNESS

01:10:51.086,01:10:56.127
ROAD.
IT DOESN’T TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE
INTERNAL COMMUNITY STRESSES THAT

01:10:56.129,01:11:01.061
WILL HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THE
INTERCHANGE.
>> I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL OF

01:11:01.063,01:11:05.571
THE COMMENTS THAT YOU’RE SAYING.
I KNOW THAT YOU’VE GOT SOMEBODY
IN YOUR GROUP THAT’S GOING TO

01:11:05.573,01:11:09.968
TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY.
AND THEN I’LL HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS FOR OUR OWN

01:11:09.970,01:11:13.775
ADMINISTRATION.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION
WITH REGARDS TO THE MDP, THE

01:11:13.777,01:11:26.359
MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AKA
PLAN IT CALGARY.
NOW, PLAN IT CALGARY HAS TALKED

01:11:26.361,01:11:34.323
ABOUT THE DENSIFICATION
CONTAINED IN A COMMUNITY.
GREENBRIAR APPLICATION THAT YOU

01:11:34.325,01:11:40.860
WERE TALKING ABOUT NOW
ACCOMPLISHES SIGNIFICANCELY MORE
THAN WHAT WE WOULD —

01:11:40.862,01:11:45.422
SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT WE
WOULD NORMALLY DISCUSS FOR A NEW
APPLICATION IN PLAN IT CALGARY.

01:11:45.424,01:11:50.232
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT,
GIVEN THAT FACT THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT DENSITY AND WE ARE

01:11:50.234,01:11:54.896
TALKING ABOUT COMPLETE
COMMUNITIES WHERE HOPEFULLY
PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY

01:11:54.898,01:12:00.537
LIVE NEAR WHERE THEY WORK BUT
ALSO BE ABLE TO SHOP AND ACCESS
DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES AND

01:12:00.539,01:12:06.114
REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND
THE CONGESTION THAT WE’RE
SPEAKING ABOUT?

01:12:06.116,01:12:13.622
>> THERE’S SEVERAL POINTS TO
RAISE AROUND THAT.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE HIGH

01:12:13.624,01:12:16.287
EMPLOYMENT CENTRES ARE OFFICE
TOWERS.
AND UNLESS THEY’RE GOING TO

01:12:16.289,01:12:23.230
GUARANTEE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF
THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GET TO
HAVE JOBS IN THOSE TOWERS,

01:12:23.232,01:12:29.564
YOU’RE NOT GUARANTEEING A
LIVE-WORK SITUATION.
THE DENSITY THAT’S PROPOSED

01:12:29.566,01:12:36.204
IS — AND, AGAIN, THAT WILL BE
ADDRESSED BY SOMEBODY ELSE,
DENSITY THAT IS PROPOSED IS ONE

01:12:36.206,01:12:44.848
SINGLE MULTI-RESIDENTIAL NOT
MIXED HOUSING.
I THINK WHAT WE’RE REALLY SAYING

01:12:44.850,01:12:50.589
IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE
CURRENT ARP, WHICH DOES
INCORPORATE ALL THE ELEMENTS

01:12:50.591,01:12:55.190
THAT ARE DISCUSSED IN PLAN IT
CALGARY AND WAS DEVELOPED
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE

01:12:55.192,01:13:01.426
PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE FEEL
THAT THAT SHOULD BE HONOURED.
>> DO YOU MIND — I JUST WANT TO

01:13:01.428,01:13:05.332
BACK YOU UP ONE LITTLE BIT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NOT MIXED
HOUSING?

01:13:05.334,01:13:16.179
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED
DC AND THE HOUSING — THE

01:13:16.181,01:13:29.279
HOUSING DESIGNATION THAT’S BEING
ASKED FOR, IT’S MC — SO
YOU’RE — DO YOU MEAN, LIKE,

01:13:29.281,01:13:33.822
CONDOS AND FLATS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT?
IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE MEANING?

01:13:33.824,01:13:39.694
I JUST WAS KEYED INTO THAT TERM
WHEN YOU SAID IT’S NOT MIXED
HOUSING.

01:13:39.696,01:13:43.367
AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU
MEANT BY THAT.
>> AGAIN, JOE CAN BETTER ANSWER

01:13:43.369,01:13:59.652
THAT — OR WHO…
[Inaudible]
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ONE OF THE

01:13:59.654,01:14:06.066
CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IS THAT
THERE IS ONLY ONE TYPE OF
MULTI-RESIDENTIAL PROPOSED FOR

01:14:06.068,01:14:14.570
THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WE ENVISAGE AND WHAT PLAN
IT CALGARY ENVISAGES IS RICHNESS

01:14:14.572,01:14:25.645
IN THE TYPE OF UNITS THAT ARE
BROUGHT INTO A COMMUNITY AS WELL
AS THE AVAILABILITY OF OPEN

01:14:25.647,01:14:32.092
SPACES, GREEN AREAS, WALKING
SPACES.
NONE OF THAT IS AVAILABLE IN

01:14:32.094,01:14:41.135
THIS PARTICULAR UNIT.
THIS IS A GREAT CONGLOMERATE OF
COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH

01:14:41.137,01:14:50.305
PARKING LOTS, WITH THE
POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING ANOTHER
4,500 SQUARE METRES OF

01:14:50.307,01:14:55.415
COMMERCIAL RETAIL IF UNDERGROUND
PARKING IS PROVIDED, WHICH
FURTHER INCREASES THE TRAFFIC

01:14:55.417,01:15:06.255
INTO THE AREA.
SO THIS PARTICULAR AREA DOES NOT
HAVE ANY WALKABLE SPACE.

01:15:06.257,01:15:14.422
MOREOVER, MUNICIPAL RESERVE THAT
IS SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOCATED TO
THE TUNE OF 10% AS A MINIMUM HAS

01:15:14.424,01:15:21.729
BEEN REDUCED AND CASH IN LIEU IS
BEING PROPOSED FOR IT.
SO IT FURTHER MAKES THIS A LESS

01:15:21.731,01:15:28.661
LIVEABLE COMMUNITY, A LESS
WALKABLE COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY
THAT DOES NOT HAVE LINEAR GREEN

01:15:28.663,01:15:34.270
SPACES THAT WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO
SEE.
SO THIS INITIALLY WAS MEANT TO

01:15:34.272,01:15:41.410
BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
BY CHANGING THE ARP, IT’S MADE
INTO COMMERCIAL.

01:15:41.412,01:15:47.043
AND ONCE IT’S MADE COMMERCIAL,
NOW IT’S FURTHER EXACERBATED BY
THE FACT THAT MUNICIPAL RESERVE

01:15:47.045,01:15:50.614
IS BEING CONVERTED INTO CASH IN
LIEU.
[Please Stand By]

01:16:59.181,01:17:05.819
THE ONE THAT EXISTS IS VERY,
VERY THIN.
>> OKAY.

01:17:05.821,01:17:10.289
>> SO YOU WOULD BE, I DON’T
WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR
MOUTH, SIR, BUT YOU WOULD BE

01:17:10.291,01:17:15.597
SUPPORTIVE OF AN INCREASED
TRAFFIC NODE IN THAT AREA, IS
THAT CORRECT?

01:17:15.599,01:17:18.502
>> OF COURSE I WOULD BE
SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

01:17:18.504,01:17:23.733
>> I DON’T WANT THAT TO BE
CONSTRUED AS SUPPORTING THE
CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.

01:17:23.735,01:17:31.741
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON’T SEE,
TO BE QUITE HONEST, I DON’T
SEE THAT PROVIDING TRANSIT IS

01:17:31.743,01:17:39.648
GOING TO ELIMINATE THE ACCESS
THAT THE POPULATION IN THIS
AREA WILL REQUIRE TO

01:17:39.650,01:17:45.722
FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE
CORE OF BONESS THAT WILL NOT
BE PROVIDED IN THIS AREA WITH

01:17:45.724,01:17:50.695
CLOSE TO 5,000, 6,000 MORE
RESIDENTS, THERE ARE NO
SCHOOLS BEING PROPOSED HERE.

01:17:50.697,01:17:55.930
THERE ARE NO OTHER FACILITIES,
SO THE TRAFFIC INTO THE
COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE

01:17:55.932,01:18:03.360
THROUGH 83rd STREET.
SO THE CONCERN HERE IS PERHAPS
NOT SO MUCH, YES, LET’S HAVE

01:18:03.362,01:18:08.196
TRANSIT, BUT THAT WILL NOT
ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE OF
INCREASED TRAFFIC INTO THE

01:18:08.198,01:18:15.709
COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE SERVICES
THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR 5,000,
6,000 MORE RESIDENTS ARE NOT

01:18:15.711,01:18:20.149
PROVIDED IN THIS AREA.
>> NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
MY QUESTION REGARDING TRANSIT

01:18:20.151,01:18:26.454
WAS ACTUALLY JUST TO SORT OF
FLUSH OUT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS
ARE IN THE NDP AS A WHOLE.

01:18:26.456,01:18:34.190
>> I THINK THE GENERAL
CONCLUSION AROUND THAT IS THAT
THAT AREA, REGARDLESS OF WHAT

01:18:34.192,01:18:39.256
TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT GOES IN
THERE, THAT AREA IS GOING TO
NEED BETTER TRANSIT ACCESS.

01:18:39.258,01:18:42.562
IT’S VERY POORLY SERVICED AT
THIS POINT IN TIME.
INADEQUATELY SERVICED AT THIS

01:18:42.564,01:18:46.998
POINT IN TIME, SO LOGICALLY,
WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS
GOING TO REQUIRE BETTER

01:18:47.000,01:18:49.722
TRANSIT.
>> NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

01:18:49.724,01:18:55.762
BUT YOU’VE MADE YOUR CASE
QUITE NICELY, AND I DO HAVE
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

01:18:55.764,01:18:59.407
ADMINISTRATION REGARDING SOME
OF THE THINGS WE’VE BROUGHT UP
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

01:18:59.409,01:19:05.279
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> AM I DONE?
>> NO, WE’RE NOT DONE YET.

01:19:05.281,01:19:12.924
LOOK AT ALL THESE LIGHTS.
YOU’VE ELICITED SOMETHING
EXCITING, MISS SMYTH.

01:19:12.926,01:19:17.933
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I’M JUST READING SOMETHING

01:19:17.935,01:19:27.771
HERE BRIEFLY.
I’M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT
YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS IN

01:19:27.773,01:19:33.581
REGARDS TO THE MUNICIPAL
RESERVE AND WHAT’S OWING, IS
THERE — DO YOU KNOW IF THERE

01:19:33.583,01:19:40.022
WAS A PREVIOUS AGREEMENT FOR A
CASH IN LUMP PAID TO THE MD?
I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING IN

01:19:40.024,01:19:44.490
THE REPORT SPECIFICALLY TO
THAT.
>> I THINK IT’S IN THE CPC

01:19:44.492,01:19:50.455
SUBMISSION, IT’S IN THE
GENERAL SUMMARY AT THE FRONT.
IT’S NOT THE 10% IN CASH IN

01:19:50.457,01:19:54.167
LIEU.
IT’S A PERCENTAGE OF IT.
>> NO, NO, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW

01:19:54.169,01:20:00.407
IS DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS
ANY AMOUNT PAID TO THE MD OF
ROCKYVIEW?

01:20:00.409,01:20:04.742
>> I HAVE NO IDEA.
>> PRIOR TO ANNEXATION.
I’M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THAT

01:20:04.744,01:20:07.946
QUESTION OF ADMINISTRATION
AFTER.
BUT YOU DO REALIZE, OF COURSE,

01:20:07.948,01:20:12.122
THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL SITE,
IT IS STANDARD PRACTISE FOR US
TO ACCEPT CASH IN LIEU OF

01:20:12.124,01:20:20.863
GREEN SPACE?
>> I THINK OUR CONTENTION
AROUND THIS IS THAT THE

01:20:20.865,01:20:30.273
ORIGINAL INTENT, AND IT’S A
FAIRLY RECENTLY-WRITTEN INTENT
THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE

01:20:30.275,01:20:36.148
CURRENT ARP, TO EVEN
CONTEMPLATE THAT AS PART OF A
CONCEPT OF WHOLE COMMUNITY

01:20:36.150,01:20:41.458
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CONTEXT
OF PLANET CALGARY POLICIES

01:20:41.460,01:20:45.124
THAT WERE COMING INTO PLACE AT
THAT TIME.
>> IF WE LOOK AT JUST THE

01:20:45.126,01:20:50.865
RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, IT
WOULD CERTAINLY BE FAR IN
EXCESS OF 10%, JUST BASED ON

01:20:50.867,01:20:56.999
WHAT I SEE HERE AS THE AMOUNT
OF GREEN SPACE THAT’S BEING
PROVIDED IN COMPARISON TO JUST

01:20:57.001,01:21:00.062
STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL
COMPONENT.
>> I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT

01:21:00.064,01:21:07.965
YOU JUST ASKED ME.
>> THAT’S QUITE ALL RIGHT.
I’M JUST SAYING THAT THE 10%

01:21:07.967,01:21:13.999
MUNICIPAL RESERVE DEDICATION,
IF YOU LOOK AT IT STRICTLY
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE

01:21:14.001,01:21:19.137
RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THAT
IT’S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN
10% OF THE RESIDENTIAL

01:21:19.139,01:21:22.738
COMPONENT.
>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
ALDERMAN CHABOT, I’M NOT SURE

01:21:22.740,01:21:26.644
THAT’S A QUESTION MISS SMYTH
CAN REALLY ANSWER HERE AND
THIS IS TIME —

01:21:26.646,01:21:30.680
>> I’M GOING TO ASK YOU A
QUESTION SPECIFICALLY RELATED
TO YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE YOU

01:21:30.682,01:21:38.919
SAID CONSERVATIVELY-SPEAKING,
ASSUMING 2.5 RESIDENTS PER
DWELLING UNIT, I’M WONDERING

01:21:38.921,01:21:50.736
HOW YOU CAME ABOUT THAT
NUMBER.
>> WE CAME ABOUT IT BASED ON

01:21:50.738,01:21:57.046
AN AVERAGE THAT WE THOUGHT
WOULD BE A LOW AVERAGE FOR THE
NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT COULD

01:21:57.048,01:22:01.540
BE ACCOMMODATED.
>> OKAY.
I BELIEVE EVEN THE MDP MAKES

01:22:01.542,01:22:09.485
REFERENCE TO MULTI-FAMILY
VERSUS SINGLE-FAEM AND
SINGLE-FAMILY, I BELIEVE, IS

01:22:09.487,01:22:16.358
THAT NUMBER, BUT MULTI-FAMILY
IS 1.6 OR 1.7, BUT THAT’S JUST
WHAT I RECALL FROM MEMORY AND

01:22:16.360,01:22:20.265
I COULD BE OFF SLIGHTLY ON
THAT NUMBER AS WELL.
I THINK THAT’S ALL MY

01:22:20.267,01:22:22.869
QUESTIONS FOR THE TIME BEING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION TODAY.

01:22:22.871,01:22:27.513
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

01:22:27.515,01:22:31.550
I’LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
SOME OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN
ASKED.

01:22:31.552,01:22:35.218
SO COLLECTIVELY, ARE THERE
FIVE OF YOU HERE, HAVE YOU ALL
SPOKEN YET?

01:22:35.220,01:22:41.249
>> NO, THERE’S ONE MORE TO
SPEAK.
>> OKAY.

01:22:41.251,01:22:47.716
SO I GUESS I’M TRYING TO GET
AN UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR
GROUP AT WHAT POINT HAVE YOU

01:22:47.718,01:22:55.264
BEEN — WHAT WAS YOUR STARTING
POINT IN ENGAGING IN THIS
APPLICATION?

01:22:55.266,01:23:04.345
>> THE ORIGINAL STARTING POINT
WAS THE SOCIETY OF BOWNESS
RESIDENTS, A NUMBER OF YEARS

01:23:04.347,01:23:07.215
AGO.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAD JUST

01:23:07.217,01:23:11.416
BEEN RESURRECTED AND DID NOT
HAVE A PLANNING AND
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

01:23:11.418,01:23:18.664
>> WHEN WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN?
WHEN WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN?
>> 2009.

01:23:18.666,01:23:23.598
>> THIS APPLICATION WAS
SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER OF ’09.
>> RIGHT.

01:23:23.600,01:23:28.339
>> SO THE SOCIETY WOULD HAVE
STARTED WORKING WITH THE FILE
AND THEN IT GOT TURNED OVER TO

01:23:28.341,01:23:36.620
THE ASSOCIATION?
>> IN APRIL 2010, THE SOCIETY
OF BONESS RESIDENTS MERGED

01:23:36.622,01:23:46.228
WITH THE BCA SO THAT CORE
GROUP PLUS MEMBERS OF THE BCA
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THEN

01:23:46.230,01:23:50.522
FORMED THE PLANNING AND
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WHICH
THEN BECAME INVOLVED OVER

01:23:50.524,01:23:56.006
TIME.
>> RIGHT.
SO IN THE BEGINNING, WAS THERE

01:23:56.008,01:24:00.275
— WERE THE TWO GROUPS ON THE
SAME PAGE AS IT RELATED TO
THIS APPLICATION?

01:24:00.277,01:24:09.836
>> YES.
>> WHEN I ASKED FOR THE
APPLICANTS’ CHRONOLOGY OF

01:24:09.838,01:24:17.481
COMMUNITY MEETINGS, LET ME
JUST GO OVER IT WITH YOU, THE
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE, THE

01:24:17.483,01:24:21.612
APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN
DECEMBER OF ’09 AND THEN A
COUPLE MONTHS LATER, THEY HELD

01:24:21.614,01:24:27.225
A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE, THE
DEVELOPER DID.
DID YOU ATTEND THAT, DID THE

01:24:27.227,01:24:30.730
COMMUNITY ATTEND THAT, DID THE
SOCIETY ATTEND THAT?
>> YES.

01:24:30.732,01:24:35.735
>> AND WHAT WERE YOUR VIEWS AT
THAT TIME?
>> OUR VIEWS WERE VERY CLEARLY

01:24:35.737,01:24:42.800
EXPRESSED WITH REGARDS TO
DISAGREEING WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE —

01:24:42.802,01:24:48.448
AMENDMENTS TO THE BYLAW THAT
WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO
ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

01:24:48.450,01:24:59.002
THE MAIN, AT THAT POINT IN
TIME, OUR MAIN CONCERN WAS
WITH A COR3 LAND USE

01:24:59.004,01:25:02.771
REDESIGNATION AND THAT WAS
ADDRESSED IN SUBSEQUENT —
>> IT WAS ADDRESS?

01:25:02.773,01:25:09.707
>> YEAH, THE APPLICANTS’
RESPONSE, KATHY CAN CORRECT ME
IF I’M WRONG ON THIS, BUT THE

01:25:09.709,01:25:13.150
APPLICANTS’ RESPONSE AND THE
FILE MANAGER’S RESPONSE WAS TO
TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION

01:25:13.152,01:25:16.313
AND COME UP WITH AN
ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO
DEVELOPING A COMMERCIAL CORE

01:25:16.315,01:25:22.155
WHICH WOULD —
>> A REMEDY WAS FOUND FOR THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE OF CONCERN?

01:25:22.157,01:25:30.299
>> UM, IT WASN’T A REMEDY THAT
WE THOUGHT WAS ACCEPTABLE.
>> WERE YOU IN AGREEMENT AT

01:25:30.301,01:25:36.564
ALL WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU
RAISED IN HOW THEY TRIED TO
WORK TO REMEDY IT, TO YOUR

01:25:36.566,01:25:38.968
SATISFACTION?
>> AGAIN, I’LL LET JOE ADDRESS
THAT.

01:25:38.970,01:25:44.367
>> OKAY.
PLEASE.
RATHER THAN…

01:25:44.369,01:25:51.645
I KNOW, BUT IT’S HARD WHEN
YOU’RE TRYING TO GET TO THE
BOTTOM OF THE — YEAH.

01:25:51.647,01:26:01.291
>> AS MRS. SMITEE HAS JUST
MENTIONED, WE WERE INVITED,
AND THIS IS WHERE MY PERSONAL

01:26:01.293,01:26:10.529
PARTICIPATION CAME INTO PLACE,
WE REALIZED THAT THERE WAS AN
OPEN HOUSE ORGANIZED BY THE

01:26:10.531,01:26:17.105
CITY OF CALGARY.
THIS IS IN NOVEMBER OF 2010.
>> NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE

01:26:17.107,01:26:22.014
PUBLIC HOST THAT WAS HOSTED BY
THE DEVELOPER IN FEBRUARY OF
2010.

01:26:22.016,01:26:25.747
AND YOUR INVOLVEMENT.
>> I WAS NOT PERSONALLY
INVOLVED IN THAT AT THAT TIME.

01:26:25.749,01:26:29.490
>> WAS ANYBODY HERE INVOLVED
IN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER
ON THESE MATTERS?

01:26:29.492,01:26:39.769
>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ME.
AT THAT TIME.
PRESIDENT OF THE SOCIETY

01:26:39.771,01:26:42.399
BOWNESS RESIDENTS.
>> OKAY.
SO YOU CAN’T ANSWER THAT

01:26:42.401,01:26:46.534
QUESTION THEN.
SO WHAT WERE THE GROUNDS OF
SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS WHEN YOU

01:26:46.536,01:26:52.002
WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AT
THAT INITIAL PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE
AND THEN WHAT ENSUED FROM

01:26:52.004,01:26:56.775
FEBRUARY TILL NOVEMBER OF 2010
IN TRYING TO WORK THOSE THINGS
THROUGH?

01:26:56.777,01:27:01.515
IT SEEMS THAT IN APRIL — WAS
IT IN APRIL THAT THE MERGER
TOOK PLACE OF THE TWO

01:27:01.517,01:27:09.287
ORGANIZATIONS?
>> THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS
TO RESPOND TO THE CITY.

01:27:09.289,01:27:13.419
>> TO WHO?
>> TO THE CITY OF CALGARY.
TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

01:27:13.421,01:27:24.753
SO THE RESPONSE THAT I AM SURE
MRS. SMITHE ADMITTED TO THE
CITY ADDRESSED THE POINTS AT

01:27:24.755,01:27:34.501
THAT POINT THAT WERE
CONSIDERED A CONCERN AND, AS
SHE SAID, CCOR 3 WAS A CONCERN

01:27:34.503,01:27:37.472
AT THAT TIME.
>> SO ADMINISTRATION HAD A
MEETING WITH YOU ON DECEMBER

01:27:37.474,01:27:41.340
7th AND THEN TWO DAYS LATER,
THE MATTER WENT TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION?

01:27:41.342,01:27:45.779
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
AND AT THAT TIME —
>> HAD YOU WORKED OUT ANYTHING

01:27:45.781,01:27:53.421
WITH ADMINISTRATION BEFORE IT
WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION?
>> THE MEETING WAS AROUND THE

01:27:53.423,01:27:59.092
ISSUES OF LAND USE
DESIGNATION.
AT NO POINT IN TIME WAS THE

01:27:59.094,01:28:05.562
ISSUE OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE
ARP MENTIONED OR DISCUSSED.
>> OKAY.

01:28:05.564,01:28:15.566
>> OKAY?
SO, AGAIN, THERE IS A VERY
FRACTURED WAY OR PIECE MEAL

01:28:15.568,01:28:20.672
APPROACH TO PRESENTING ISSUES.
SO THAT THE ISSUE OF
MODIFICATIONS, AMENDMENTS TO

01:28:20.674,01:28:26.442
THE ARP WERE DOWNPLAYED AT THE
OPEN HOUSE, AND THEN THEY WERE
NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL AT THE

01:28:26.444,01:28:33.349
MEETING THAT MYSELF AND
MARALEE MOORE WHO’S HERE TODAY
AS WELL, WE ATTENDED A MEETING

01:28:33.351,01:28:38.685
HERE WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT
STAFF ONCE.
>> SO WE TABLED THIS MATTER IN

01:28:38.687,01:28:46.201
JANUARY BECAUSE OUR ALDER MEN
WAS UNAVAILABLE AND THEN
ADMINISTRATION WAS TO WORK

01:28:46.203,01:28:51.571
WITH YOU IN FEBRUARY WITH
THESE CONCERNS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE

01:28:51.573,01:28:56.914
CHRONOLOGY HERE, HOW WOULD YOU
DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN BROWN AND ASSOCIATES

01:28:56.916,01:29:00.921
AND MALCORE AND THE COMMUNITY
IN TRYING TO RECONCILE AND
DEAL WITH THESE THINGS AND GET

01:29:00.923,01:29:04.588
BACK TO EACH OTHER IN A TIMELY
MATTER —
>> THERE WERE —

01:29:04.590,01:29:08.524
>> — BECAUSE IT’S DIFFICULT
WHEN YOU COME TO COUNSEL AND
THESE THINGS HAVEN’T BEEN

01:29:08.526,01:29:13.292
WORKED OUT.
THEN WE HAVE TO SORT OF BE
PLACED IN THE MIDDLE.

01:29:13.294,01:29:19.635
>> THERE WAS CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE CITY, AND I
PERSONALLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND

01:29:19.637,01:29:25.241
SOME OF THEM WERE NOT — THEY
COULD NOT BE PROVIDED, THAT
WAS THE FIRST REACTION.

01:29:25.243,01:29:29.110
>> BY THE CITY?
>> BY THE CITY, YES.
>> WHAT QUESTIONS WERE THOSE?

01:29:29.112,01:29:35.821
>> AND THEN PROGRESSIVELY AS
WE APPROACHED THIS PARTICULAR
HEARING, SOME OF THE ELEMENTS

01:29:35.823,01:29:40.796
THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED
THAT HAD BEEN INDICATED TO ME
THAT THEY WERE NOT — COULD

01:29:40.798,01:29:50.551
NOT BE MADE AVAILABLE, IN
SMALL DOSES, THEY STARTED
BECOMING AVAILABLE.

01:29:50.553,01:30:00.455
I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT KIMBERLY
KING, ONE OF THE PLANNERS,
INVITED ME MOST RECENTLY TO

01:30:00.457,01:30:08.987
ANOTHER MEETING, BUT WE HAVE
VOLUNTEERS, AND, UNFORTUNATELY,
THE TIMING WASN’T POSSIBLE TO

01:30:08.989,01:30:14.234
DO THAT.
SHE OFFERED TO MEET EVEN AFTER
THIS HEARING.

01:30:14.236,01:30:20.031
>> YOU MENTIONED THE LACK OF
REGIONAL PATHWAYS.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE PLANS HERE

01:30:20.033,01:30:27.738
FOR THE CENTRAL PASSIVE
RECREATIONAL REGIONAL RESERVE
AND THE NATURALIZED AREA AND

01:30:27.740,01:30:30.577
THE BEAUFORT MUNICIPAL RESERVE,
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT?
>> YES.

01:30:30.579,01:30:37.445
>> SO THEY DO EXIST.
THERE ARE PLANS FOR THE THINGS
THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN’T

01:30:37.447,01:30:47.552
THINK WERE THERE.
>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOUR
WORSHIP, THERE ARE OTHER

01:30:47.554,01:30:54.680
COMMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
MADE IN MARILYN MOORE’S
PRESENTATION THAT INDICATE THE

01:30:54.682,01:30:58.415
SIZE AND THE NATURE OF THE
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
>> OKAY.

01:30:58.417,01:31:04.793
>> IT IS — IT IS NOT
CONDUCIVE TO PATHWAYS, IT’S
NOT A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.

01:31:04.795,01:31:09.998
IT’S A COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY.
>> SO IS THAT THE ISSUE, THEN,
THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THIS?

01:31:10.000,01:31:18.137
>> THIS IS A HIGH
CONCENTRATION OF COMMERCIAL
AREA IN ONE PARTICULAR

01:31:18.139,01:31:26.490
DISTRICT TO THE DETRIMENT OF
OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WILL HAVE
NOUN SO HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE A

01:31:26.492,01:31:35.498
WHOLE COMMUNITY — NON— WHEN
THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF
HAVING LOCAL COMMERCE IN OTHER

01:31:35.500,01:31:42.974
AREAS AND COMMERCE IS
CONCENTRATED HIGHLY IN ONE?
AND THEN THE ARP IS AMENDED TO

01:31:42.976,01:31:48.177
ENTRENCH IN THE ARP THE FACT
THAT ALL COMMERCE WILL BE JUST
IN HERE?

01:31:48.179,01:31:53.284
AND ALL THE OTHER AREAS WILL
HAVE NONE.
SO THAT’S OUR CONCERN.

01:31:53.286,01:31:58.201
>> OKAY.
ARE THERE ANYTHING — IS THERE
ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLAN THAT

01:31:58.203,01:32:04.377
YOU LIKE?
>> THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING
TO BE DEVELOPED.

01:32:04.379,01:32:10.219
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY
SEEN WHAT THE LANDS ARE
PROPOSING THAT IS FAR BETTER

01:32:10.221,01:32:17.595
IN TERMS OF HAVING LINEAR
GREEN SPACES, HAVING MIXED
COMMERCE AND RESIDENTIAL.

01:32:17.597,01:32:23.740
IT’S A MORE LIVABLE, WALKABLE
WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND I ASK MYSELF, IF ANOTHER

01:32:23.742,01:32:30.139
DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR THAT HAS
BEEN PUT ON HOLD RIGHT NOW
PROPOSES SOMETHING THAT IS

01:32:30.141,01:32:35.414
BETTER THAN THIS, I’M SAYING
THIS AREA COULD BE BETTER,
TOO.

01:32:35.416,01:32:39.153
THAT’S MY POINT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU.

01:32:39.155,01:32:45.259
JUST THAT VERY LAST THING YOU
SAID, I KNOW THIS IS A BIT
UNTOWARD, BUT I MIGHT ASK,

01:32:45.261,01:32:49.431
MR. WATSON, HAS THE OTHER
DEVELOPMENT BEEN PUT ON HOLD
HERE?

01:32:49.433,01:32:52.432
>> THAT’S NOT MY
UNDERSTANDING.
I MEAN, THE OTHER APPLICATION

01:32:52.434,01:32:58.632
IS IN AND IS BEING PROCESSED.
IT’S NOT — I EXPECT THERE’S
COMMENTS WE’RE EXPECTING BACK

01:32:58.634,01:33:03.537
OR SOME NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON,
BUT IT’S CERTAINLY NOT BEEN
PUT ON HOLD BY THE

01:33:03.539,01:33:06.610
ADMINISTRATION.
IT WILL BE COMING HERE IN DUE
COURSE TO THE PLANNING

01:33:06.612,01:33:09.351
COMMISSION, THOUGH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. WATSON.

01:33:09.353,01:33:13.214
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT
BEFORE WE LOST THE THREAD OF
DEBATE TODAY.

01:33:13.216,01:33:19.554
ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> JOE, NIKKI, I APPRECIATE
BEING VOLUNTEERS AND THIS

01:33:19.556,01:33:24.290
TAKES AN AWFUL LOT, I DON’T
KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE HAD THE
COURAGE A FEW YEARS BACK TO DO

01:33:24.292,01:33:27.954
WHAT YOU’RE DOING HERE AND I
APPRECIATE IT.
YOU REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION

01:33:27.956,01:33:33.930
WHEN YOU WERE COMMENTING THAT
50% INCREASE IN THE POPULATION
OF BONE HE IS.

01:33:33.932,01:33:36.660
THAT’S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT
THAT ANY COMMUNITY CAN TAKE
IN.

01:33:36.662,01:33:39.659
I’M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT
THE NUMBERS.
IF YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR ME.

01:33:39.661,01:33:48.594
THE ORIGINAL ARP ALLOWS FOR
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 30-ODD
UNITS PER HECTARE, CORRECT?

01:33:48.596,01:33:55.405
AND YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A —
THE NEW ARP YOU’RE CONCERNED
WITH IS ALLOWING A 6.7%

01:33:55.407,01:34:01.640
INCREASE TO THAT ARP.
SO I JUST DID SOME QUICK
NUMBERS, AND WHAT THE CONCERN

01:34:01.642,01:34:10.113
THERE, IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN, IS
YOU’RE OKAY WITH 6,000 NEW
RESIDENTS COMING IN BUT 6320

01:34:10.115,01:34:13.755
IS TOO MUCH.
I’M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
IF THAT’S REALLY WHAT WE’RE

01:34:13.757,01:34:16.129
GETTING AT.
>> THAT’S PARTLY WHAT WE’RE
GETTING AT.

01:34:16.131,01:34:20.365
I THINK THE OTHER PART THAT
WE’RE GETTING AT, IF WE’RE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT AMENDED

01:34:20.367,01:34:25.172
THAT ARP, WE SHOULD LOOK AT
DECREASING, NOT INCREASING THE
RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BECAUSE

01:34:25.174,01:34:28.674
THERE ISN’T AN INFRASTRUCTURE
TO SUPPORT.
THERE’S ONE ENTRANCE IN AND

01:34:28.676,01:34:37.905
OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY.
THERE’S NO APPROPRIATE ACCESS
THROUGH POTENTIALLY WHAT’S

01:34:37.907,01:34:43.518
CALLED CELL ONE, GREENWOOD
VILLAGE MOBILE HOME TRAILER
PARK IS COMPLETELY FENCED.

01:34:43.520,01:34:48.315
SO WHEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT THIS
DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO SEE
IT AS ISOLATED FROM, THERE’S

01:34:48.317,01:34:54.895
NO ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
SO IF WE’RE GOING TO BE
AMENDING IT, LET’S AMEND IT

01:34:54.897,01:34:58.905
DOWN, NOT UP.
>> BUT YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND
THAT’S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

01:34:58.907,01:35:02.107
CELL AND WHEN THAT CELL COMES
FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I
ASSUME IT WILL AT SOME POINT

01:35:02.109,01:35:05.842
OF TIME, THE FENCE WOULD COME
DOWN AND THAT WOULD BE A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA.

01:35:05.844,01:35:09.845
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME ON WHAT

01:35:09.847,01:35:15.523
CAN BE BUILT IN A GREENWOOD
VILLAGE.
MARILYN WILL BE BRINGING THIS

01:35:15.525,01:35:21.939
POINT UP IN HER DISCUSSION,
BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE, BOTH
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND

01:35:21.941,01:35:25.176
ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT THAT
ENTIRE SITE WAS A NUISANCE
GROUND.

01:35:25.178,01:35:29.078
>> WAS A?
>> A NUISANCE GROUND, A
DUMPING GROUND.

01:35:29.080,01:35:34.683
SO THERE’S QUESTIONS ABOUT
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS THAT
NEED TO BE DONE, ALL THE REST

01:35:34.685,01:35:41.754
OF IT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT SOIL STABILITY ISSUES ON
THE GREENWOOD VILLAGE MOBILE

01:35:41.756,01:35:47.522
HOME AREA MEAN THAT THAT’S
BASICALLY THE ONLY KIND OF
STRUCTURE THAT CAN GO IN THAT

01:35:47.524,01:35:51.398
AREA.
>> I APOLOGIZE, I REALLY
DIDN’T WANT TO DIGRESS AND

01:35:51.400,01:35:55.336
TALK ABOUT GREENWOOD VILLAGE.
WITH REGARDS TO JOE, YOUR
CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL

01:35:55.338,01:36:01.308
ACTIVITY ALL BEING CENTRED IN
ONE AREA AS OPPOSED TO BEING
DISTRIBUTED ALL AROUND, YOU’RE

01:36:01.310,01:36:09.821
SAYING THAT YOU WOULD RATHER
HAVE ONE RETAIL OUTLET IN ONE
CORNER AND THEN HAVE TO HAVE

01:36:09.823,01:36:14.219
PEOPLE DRIVE TO ANOTHER AREA
OF THE CELL TO GO TO THE
DRUGSTORE OR TO THE

01:36:14.221,01:36:19.121
CONVENIENCE STORE OR SOMETHING
ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE A
MORE VIABLE OPTION?

01:36:19.123,01:36:27.193
>> WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING AT IN
THE DESIGN THAT WE’VE SEEN
ANYWAY IS TWO 5,000 SQUARE

01:36:27.195,01:36:31.966
METRES.
>> M’HM.
>> OF RETAIL SPACE ON THE

01:36:31.968,01:36:39.001
GROUND LEVEL AND — HOW MUCH
OF THAT IS STAND-ALONE
BUILDING?

01:36:39.003,01:36:45.232
THERE’S A STATISTIC IN —
>> 5,000 INSIDE “A”, 5,000 IN
SIDE “B”.

01:36:45.234,01:36:50.426
>> NO, I’M FULLY AWARE OF THE
AREA, WHAT I’M TRYING TO GET
AT, YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE SOME

01:36:50.428,01:36:55.071
OF THESE SPLIT UP ALL OVER THE
AREA SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE
PEOPLE DRIVING TO ALL AREAS OF

01:36:55.073,01:37:00.111
THE —
>> NO, WE WANT THEM TO WALK.
>> OKAY.

01:37:00.113,01:37:09.188
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT,
BUT WOULDN’T — I GUESS WHAT I
WANT TO SUGGEST IS IF YOU HAVE

01:37:09.190,01:37:16.259
ONE TYPE OF RETAIL IN CELL 4
AND TWO OTHER TYPES OF RETAIL
IN CELL 1 AND 3, YOU’RE GOING

01:37:16.261,01:37:20.966
TO HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE GOING
FROM ONE SECTION TO THE NEXT
SECTION TO THE NEXT SECTION

01:37:20.968,01:37:25.858
ALL IN ONE SO-CALLED SHOPPING
DAY.
>> I THINK THAT THE VISION

01:37:25.860,01:37:37.621
THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE
EXISTING ARP WAS MORE ALONG
THE LINES OF RETAIL OUTLETS

01:37:37.623,01:37:43.590
THAT — RETAIL OUTLETS WITH
RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TOP AND
THEN A MIX OF SINGLE-FAMILY

01:37:43.592,01:37:49.526
AND MOBILE HOMES AND WHATEVER
YOU WANT ALL AROUND IN THE
AREA.

01:37:49.528,01:37:55.926
IT WASN’T INTENDED TO BE A
SHOPPING AREA.
A SMALL GROCERY STORE WAS

01:37:55.928,01:38:04.011
ENVISIONED, BUT WHAT WE’RE
TALKING — ONE OF THE
DISCRETIONARY USES IN — EVEN

01:38:04.013,01:38:09.456
THOUGH IT’S IN THE DIRECT
CONTROL AREA, ONE OF THE
DISCRETIONARY USES OF CCOR 2

01:38:09.458,01:38:14.228
IS A HOTEL.
SO ARE WE GOING TO BE BACK AT
A TABLE DISCUSSING THAT AT

01:38:14.230,01:38:21.836
SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD?
I MEAN, IT’S — OUR CONTENTION
IS THAT THE — WHAT IS BEING

01:38:21.838,01:38:29.350
PROPOSED HAS TWO — TOO WIDE
AN ENVELOPE.
ONCE THAT LAND USE DESIGNATION,

01:38:29.352,01:38:33.817
ONCE THE AMENDMENTS HAPPEN AND
THE LAND USE REDESIGNATIONS
HAPPEN, YOU THEN HAVE

01:38:33.819,01:38:40.017
PERMITTED, INDEPENDENT OF WHO
THE CURRENT DEVELOPER IS, IN
PERPETUITY, YOU’VE COMMITTED A

01:38:40.019,01:38:44.689
COMMERCIAL CORE IN ONE AREA TO
THE EXCLUSION OF COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITIES IN THE REMAINDER OF

01:38:44.691,01:38:48.425
THE AREA, YOU KNOW, IN THE
WHOLE —
>> BUT AGAIN, THAT’S REALLY

01:38:48.427,01:38:54.128
THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE.
YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE THE
COMMERCIAL OPTION IN

01:38:54.130,01:38:58.761
PERPETUITY ALL THROUGH THE
ENTIRE AREA AS OPPOSED TO
BEING LOCATED IN ONE CENTRAL

01:38:58.763,01:39:02.971
AREA SO YOU HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING THE
HOTEL OVER HERE OR SOMETHING

01:39:02.973,01:39:08.211
ELSE IN THE ENTIRE AREA AS
OPPOSED TO SAYING AT LEAST
IT’S GOING TO BE CENTRALIZED

01:39:08.213,01:39:16.655
IN THIS LOCATION?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST TO
EXACERBATE THIS, SITE “C” HAS

01:39:16.657,01:39:23.090
AN ADDITIONAL 37.000 SQUARE
FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.
SO THERE IS RETAIL —

01:39:23.092,01:39:29.861
>> SQUARE METRES.
>> SQUA METRES, MY APOLOGIES.
— SQUARE.

01:39:29.863,01:39:39.983
YOU DO NOT HAVE RESIDENTS IN
THAT AREA.
WHEREAS LOOKING AT WHAT IS

01:39:39.985,01:39:44.618
BEING PROPOSED FOR THE RATSKEY
LANDS —
>> I’M SORRY, I HAVE NOT BEEN

01:39:44.620,01:39:48.554
PRIVY TO WHAT THE RATSKEY
LANDS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING
AT.

01:39:48.556,01:39:55.751
>> I AM JUST MAKING MENTALLY
THE COMPARISON BECAUSE IN THAT
AREA, FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN,

01:39:55.753,01:40:03.225
THERE IS A COMBINATION OF
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SO
ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, THERE IS

01:40:03.227,01:40:10.440
RETAIL SPACE.
ABOVE, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL.
OVER HERE, WE HAVE RETAIL

01:40:10.442,01:40:19.240
SPACE AND THEN WE HAVE OFFICE
SPACE ON TOP.
AND WE ARE TALKING, I’M

01:40:19.242,01:40:22.579
STEALING THUNDER FROM
PRESENTATIONS COMING HERE,
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT 5,000

01:40:22.581,01:40:28.994
SQUARE METRES IS HALF OF
MARKET MALL — THE BAY AND
MARKET MALL, SO IF WE ADD

01:40:28.996,01:40:33.430
15.000 SQUARE METRES, WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT A BAY-AND-A-HALF
IN THAT AREA.

01:40:33.432,01:40:43.082
SO THIS IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
SO THIS IS NOT A LIVING
COMMUNITY, THIS IS NOT A

01:40:43.084,01:40:46.844
COMMUNITY THAT IS WHOLE.
>> AND YOU DON’T SUSPECT THAT
ANYBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY IS

01:40:46.846,01:40:50.745
GOING TO BE USING THAT OFFICE
SPACE OR THOSE RETAIL?
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE WHOLE

01:40:50.747,01:40:56.120
IDEA OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY,
IS THAT YOU HAVE AREAS WITHIN
THAT ARE USING THAT.

01:40:56.122,01:41:05.631
>> WELL, AS NICKI SMITHER HERE
MENTIONED EARLIER, WHAT IS THE
PROBABILITY OF THOSE EMPLOYED

01:41:05.633,01:41:08.599
IN THOSE OFFICES LIVING IN THE
AREA?
PROBABILITY IS NOT VERY HIGH.

01:41:08.601,01:41:13.594
>> THAT’S THE CONCEPT, WE TRY
TO CREATE OFFICE SPACE SO THE
OFFICES THAT WILL JOIN THERE

01:41:13.596,01:41:17.460
ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE —
WELL, I’M SORRY, I’M NOT GOING
TO GO INTO THAT.

01:41:17.462,01:41:21.132
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU
COMING OUT TODAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OTHER

01:41:21.134,01:41:22.405
PRESENTATIONS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.

01:41:22.407,01:41:29.955
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN DEMONG.
ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> THANK YOU.

01:41:29.957,01:41:35.347
I’M SORRY ALDERMAN CARRA AND I
HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING DURING
YOUR PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT

01:41:35.349,01:41:42.565
OF HOW WE EXPECT COMMUNITIES
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT URBAN
PLANNING IN SOME CASES THAN WE

01:41:42.567,01:41:47.436
DO.
BUT I’M TRYING TO DRILL DOWN
TO THE ESSENCE OF WHAT YOU’RE

01:41:47.438,01:41:53.643
LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK,
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG,
BUT I FEEL LIKE I’M HEARING

01:41:53.645,01:42:00.410
MIXED MESSAGES.
SO I’M HEARING TO GO BACK TO
THE OLD ARP WHICH IS PRIMARILY

01:42:00.412,01:42:09.389
RESIDENTIAL AND QUITE LOW
DENSITY AND THEN I’M HEARING
ABOUT THIS RICH MIX OF

01:42:09.391,01:42:16.550
RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL,
RETAIL OFFICE WALKABLE AND I
DON’T SEE THOSE TWO AS FITTING

01:42:16.552,01:42:26.799
TOGETHER.
>> THE CURRENT ARP WAS
SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPED BETWEEN

01:42:26.801,01:42:33.071
THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO
ACCOMMODATE HIGHER DENSITY,

01:42:33.073,01:42:39.476
NOT LOW DENSITY.
IT WAS TO INCREASE DENSITY IN
A DEVELOPABLE AREA OF BOWNESS

01:42:39.478,01:42:43.211
AND THAT WAS TO ALSO INCLUDE
—
>> DID IT INCLUDE THIS AREA?

01:42:43.213,01:42:51.106
>> YES.
THE WHOLE GREENBRIAR SPECIAL
STUDY AREA IS A SPECIFIC

01:42:51.108,01:42:59.163
SEGMENT OF OUR ARP DEVELOPED
IN 2008, SO IT’S EVENT, TO
ACCOMMODATE A VISION OF HOW DO

01:42:59.165,01:43:05.022
WE DO HIGHER DENSITY.
HOW DO WE DO LIVE UP, WORK
DOWN?

01:43:05.024,01:43:11.700
HOW DO WE HAVE WALKABLE
COMMUNITY, HOW DO WE HAVE
WHOLE COMMUNITY?

01:43:11.702,01:43:14.567
THERE’S COMMERCIAL IN THERE,
TOO.
>> I’M NOT SURE — I REMEMBER

01:43:14.569,01:43:20.606
THE BOWNESS ARP VAGUELY, BUT I
DO REMEMBER IT, AND I REMEMBER
BEING VERY CONCERNED ABOUT

01:43:20.608,01:43:27.045
WHETHER OR NOT IT’S ABLE TO
SUSTAIN RETAIL.
BECAUSE THE DENSITY, ALTHOUGH

01:43:27.047,01:43:32.148
AN INCREASE FROM WHAT YOU SEE
IN THE AREA TODAYR ACTUALLY
QUITE LOW, AND I DON’T THINK

01:43:32.150,01:43:37.185
WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING
AT THE CITY OF G.I. WHAT
NEIGHBOURHOOD RETAIL REALLY

01:43:37.187,01:43:44.862
NEEDS — CALGARY WHAT THE
NEIGHBOURHOOD RETAIL REALLY
NEEDS IN TERMS OF CATCHMENT

01:43:44.864,01:43:53.109
AREA, SO I’M HEARING, AND I’M
SORRY, SIR, I’VE FORGOTTEN
YOUR NAME, BUT I’M HEARING YOU

01:43:53.111,01:44:01.244
MENTION THAT THE INITIAL
APPLICATION OR INITIAL CONCEPT
INCLUDED MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY,

01:44:01.246,01:44:08.114
AND THEN I’M HEARING THE
RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THE SHOPS.
I’M REALLY STRUGGLING TO KNOW

01:44:08.116,01:44:12.852
EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE WANTING
WITH THIS, ALTHOUGH I
CERTAINLY AM VERY CLEAR THAT

01:44:12.854,01:44:29.173
YOU DON’T WANT THIS.
>> YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE
CURRENT ARP.

01:44:29.175,01:44:34.913
THE PRIME OBJECTIVE IS TO
CREATE A COMPLETE COMMUNITY.
THE SECONDARY OBJECTIVE THAT

01:44:34.915,01:44:41.925
YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER RIGHT ON,
A DIVERSE POPULATION MIXED
THROUGH A VARIETY OF HOUSING

01:44:41.927,01:44:45.394
FORMS.
>> SO A COMPLETE COMMUNITY
WOULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE OFFICE

01:44:45.396,01:44:52.449
BUT IT’S OFTEN HOW IT’S
DISTRIBUTED.
>> THE ARP AS IT EXISTS NOW

01:44:52.451,01:44:58.488
SPECIFICALLY DID NOT INCLUDE
OFFICE SPACE BECAUSE WE’RE
DEALING WITH AN ISOLATED

01:44:58.490,01:45:04.384
GEOGRAPHIC COMMUNITY, JUST
INDEPENDENT OF WHETHER THE
INTERCHANGE GOES IN OR NOT.

01:45:04.386,01:45:11.129
ONE ENTRANCE, ONE EXIT.
AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND IT
WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION

01:45:11.131,01:45:16.797
AT THE TIME BUT THE OFFICE
SPACE WAS EXCLUDED BECAUSE IT
IS TRADITIONALLY OFFICE SPACE

01:45:16.799,01:45:21.970
IS A REGIONAL USE.
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
AND I THINK THAT’S — I

01:45:21.972,01:45:26.404
BELIEVE THAT WE’VE PROGRESSED,
WHEREAS A COMPLETE COMMUNITY
WOULD INCLUDE ALL THESE THINGS

01:45:26.406,01:45:32.070
AND OFFICE SPACE GENERALLY HAS
A LOWER TRAFFIC GENERATION
THAN HOUSING.

01:45:32.072,01:45:38.494
AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE
SOLELY HOUSING WITH NO MIX OF
USES, THEN YOUR TRAFFIC

01:45:38.496,01:45:43.535
GENERATION WOULD BE HIGHER.
>> I’M SORRY —
>> SO WHEN I’M —

01:45:43.537,01:45:47.536
>> MAY I JUMP IN HERE?
LET’S REMEMBER, THIS IS THE
TIME TO ASK THE FOLKS

01:45:47.538,01:45:51.740
QUESTIONS, DEBATE COMES LATER.
AND I HEAR YOU, BUT THERE’S NO
QUESTION MARK AT THE END OF

01:45:51.742,01:45:55.604
WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, AND WE
SHOULDN’T BE HARASSING THESE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN UP THE

01:45:55.606,01:45:59.444
TIME OF DAY TO BE HERE.
>> I’M SORRY IF IT APPEARS
THAT I’M HARASSING YOU.

01:45:59.446,01:46:05.882
I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
BECAUSE IF WE’RE — THOSE ARE

01:46:05.884,01:46:14.859
VERY IMPORTANT GOALS.
THEY’RE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN
DESCRIBED IN PLAN IT AND YET I

01:46:14.861,01:46:23.320
AGREE THAT SOME OF THE PLANS
THAT WE SEE DON’T FIT WITH MY
INTERPRETATION OF PLAN IT BUT

01:46:23.322,01:46:31.366
WHAT WORRIES ME, AND SO I
GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHERE DO
WE GO FROM HERE?

01:46:31.368,01:46:37.709
IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THOSE
GOALS, WHICH MAY BE MORE
INTENSE THAN WHAT YOU

01:46:37.711,01:46:45.916
ENVISIONED IN THE BOWNESS ARP?
>> I THINK WHAT WE’RE TRULY
ASKING IS THAT THE CURRENT ARP

01:46:45.918,01:46:49.051
BE HONOURED.
WE’RE NOT OPPOSED TO
DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.

01:46:49.053,01:46:58.279
AND, IN FACT, OUR CURRENT ARP,
WHICH IS RECENT, 2008,
EMBRACES THE CONCEPT OF HIGHER

01:46:58.281,01:47:04.496
DENSITY BECAUSE IT IS A
QUESTION THAT ALL THE
COMMUNITIES, ESTABLISHED

01:47:04.498,01:47:09.402
COMMUNITIESR FACING, HOW DO
YOU ACHIEVE HIGHER DENSITY?
AS A GREENY, IT’S NOT MY

01:47:09.404,01:47:13.941
FAVOURITE IDEA WHAT MIGHT
HAPPEN UP THERE, BUT IT’S WHAT
THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY

01:47:13.943,01:47:26.425
SUPPORTED.
AND — BUT WE’RE STRUGGLING
WITH WHY A DEVELOPER CAN’T

01:47:26.427,01:47:33.564
COME IN AND HONOUR — WHY WE
HAVE TO CONTINUALLY KEEP
AMENDING DOCUMENTS DEVELOPED

01:47:33.566,01:47:40.776
BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
COMMUNITIES THAT DO LOOK
FORWARD, THAT ARE EMBRACING

01:47:40.778,01:47:45.677
NEW POLICIES AND NEW CONCEPTS
FOR THE CITY.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS

01:47:45.679,01:47:51.584
THAT ARE ACTUALLY QUITE GOOD,
IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT
HAPPENED BETWEEN JOE AND THE

01:47:51.586,01:47:55.327
FILE MANAGER, THERE WERE
SEVERAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE
THOUGHT WERE ACTUALLY

01:47:55.329,01:48:00.661
CLARIFYING, BUT THERE ARE
SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS THAT
REALLY ARE IN CONTRADICTION TO

01:48:00.663,01:48:07.963
THE INTENT OF THE CURRENT ARP
AND CONTRADICT EVEN THE
OVERALL INTENT OF THE PROPOSED

01:48:07.965,01:48:15.741
AMENDMENTS.
>> SO THEN I’LL ASK ONE FINAL
QUESTION THEN, IF WE WERE TO

01:48:15.743,01:48:23.414
FOLLOW THE INTENT OF THE ARP
AS FAR AS THOSE OVERARCHING
GOALS, KMIKSED COMMUNITY, —

01:48:23.416,01:48:27.856
MIXED COMMUNITY, WALKABLE,
THOSE THINGS, BUT IT INCLUDED
MORE INTENSITY THAN WHAT’S

01:48:27.858,01:48:32.129
OUTLINED IN THE ARP, WOULD YOU
BE WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT?
OR WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO

01:48:32.131,01:48:36.954
THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT DOESN’T
FOLLOW THE DENSITIES WITHIN
THE ARP?

01:48:36.956,01:48:41.491
>> YOU’RE ASKING IF WE WOULD
SUPPORT DENSITY HIGHER THAN
THE CURRENT ARP?

01:48:41.493,01:48:47.087
>> YES, LOOKING AT THOSE
PRINCIPLES THAT ARE OUTLINED
IN THE ARP WHICH ARE VERY MUCH

01:48:47.089,01:48:53.860
LIKE WHAT’S IN OUR PLAN IT
DOCUMENT, BUT THOSE PRINCIPLES
INCLUDED ADDITIONAL DENSITIES

01:48:53.862,01:49:01.734
NOT IN YOUR ARP, WOULD YOU BE
WILLING TO EXPLORE THEM?
>> PROVIDED — IF I MAY

01:49:01.736,01:49:06.105
INTERJECT.
PROVIDED THERE IS AN OVERALL
ANALYSIS OF TRAFFIC.

01:49:06.107,01:49:13.277
LET ME SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WAS
REVEALED TO US IN A
PRESENTATION FROM A CITY

01:49:13.279,01:49:29.633
ENGINEER, TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
THE AREA DOES NOT — AND THE
MODIFICATIONS TO THE BEAUFORT

01:49:29.635,01:49:34.009
INTERCHANGE WILL NOT SUPPORT
THE TRAFFIC OF ALL THE
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED FOR THIS

01:49:34.011,01:49:38.045
AREA.
IF THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE
PROPERLY, AMONGST OTHER THINGS

01:49:38.047,01:49:43.982
THAT WERE REVEALED, IS THE
FACT THAT IN THE TRAFFIC
STUDIES, THEY HAVE TO

01:49:43.984,01:49:52.651
IMPLEMENT SIMULATIONS,
SIMULATIONS LOOK AT 83rd
STREET AS AN OPEN-ENDED

01:49:52.653,01:49:58.656
STREET.
I ASK THE QUESTION AT THE TIME,
WHAT HAPPENS WITH BOWNESS ROAD

01:49:58.658,01:50:04.634
WHERE 83rd STREET ENDS?
WELL, THE MODEL WAS GETTING
TOO COMPLICATED AND IT COULD

01:50:04.636,01:50:11.377
NOT INCORPORATE THAT.
THERE IS A LIMIT TO THE
COMPLEXITY OF A MODEL.

01:50:11.379,01:50:16.713
SO THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN
DONE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE
IMPACT THAT HIGHER DENSITY IS

01:50:16.715,01:50:24.492
GOING TO HAVE IN BOWNESS.
THE TRAFFIC CREATED THROUGH
MONTGOMERY COMING OFF 16th,

01:50:24.494,01:50:28.466
THE TRAFFIC CREATED THROUGH 16
INTO HOME ROAD, NONE OF THAT
HAS BEEN CONSIDERED.

01:50:28.468,01:50:34.402
>> OKAY.
BUT MY QUESTION WAS A FAIRLY
SIMPLE ONE, ALTHOUGH THE WORK

01:50:34.404,01:50:39.271
WOULDN’T NECESSARILY BE SIMPLE,
BUT THE QUESTION WAS WOULD YOU
BE WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT?

01:50:39.273,01:50:42.876
>> CERTAINLY IF IT’S
CONSIDERED —
>> IF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE

01:50:42.878,01:50:48.431
CONSIDERED.
>> IN A WHOLESOME WAY WITH ALL
ASPECTS THAT ARE REQUIRED SO

01:50:48.433,01:50:53.969
THAT THIS IS A WHOLE COMMUNITY,
SURE.
>> THANK YOU.

01:50:53.971,01:51:00.470
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN FARRELL.
ALDERMAN CHABOT, YOU’VE
ALREADY ASKED A QUESTION OF

01:51:00.472,01:51:03.132
MS. SMITHE.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER?
>> NO, ACTUALLY, YOUR WORSHIP,

01:51:03.134,01:51:07.839
IF I COULD, I’D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE CITY HALL SCHOOL
CLASS.

01:51:07.841,01:51:12.278
I’M VERY PLEASED TO INTRODUCE
CITY HALL SCHOOL CLASS FOR
THIS WEEK.

01:51:12.280,01:51:18.747
ALTHOUGH MY DOCUMENT SAYS
THERE’S 23 GRADE 6 STUDENTS
FROM ERIN WOOD SCHOOL, I ONLY

01:51:18.749,01:51:24.449
COUNT 21, BUT HAVING SAID THAT,
THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THEIR
TEACHER BRENT BANKNOCK AND THE

01:51:24.451,01:51:28.495
FOCUS FOR THIS WEEK WILL BE
WHAT MAKES A CITY.
IF I COULD ASK YOU ALL TO

01:51:28.497,01:51:32.393
PLEASE RISE, AND YOU WILL BE
TEMPORARILY ON TELEVISION AND
COUNCIL WILL RECOGNIZE YOU.

01:51:32.395,01:51:41.996
(Applause)
>> AND YOU’RE A HUNDRED
PERCENT SURE IT WASN’T 2.1,

01:51:41.998,01:51:45.304
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
THANK YOU, HAVE YOUR SEATS,
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING

01:51:45.306,01:51:48.270
SOME TIME WITH YOU LATER THIS
WEEK.
HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEK AT CITY

01:51:48.272,01:51:56.213
HALL SCHOOL.
I DON’T SEE ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS FOR THESE FOLKS, SO

01:51:56.215,01:52:06.974
— DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL?

01:52:09.743,01:52:16.323
>> YOUR WORSHIP, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, MY NAME IS MARILYN
MORA, AND I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF

01:52:16.325,01:52:20.292
THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION, OF WHICH I AM A
DIRECTOR.

01:52:20.294,01:52:27.036
THE BOWNESS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION OBJECTS TO THE
PROPOSED BYLAW 12 P-2011 AS

01:52:27.038,01:52:33.664
THE COMBINED EFFECT OF
INCREASED DENSITY AND THE
INTRODUCTION OF UP TO 19.500

01:52:33.666,01:52:40.775
SQUARE METRES OF RETAIL SPACE
AND UP TO 38.850 SQUARE METRES
OF OFFICE USE WILL INCREASE

01:52:40.777,01:52:45.813
TRAFFIC ON 83rd STREET
NORTHWEST FOR THE FOLLOWING
REASONS.

01:52:45.815,01:52:50.686
GREENBRIAR RESIDENTS WOULD
SEEK ACCESS TO AMENITIES SUCH
AS SCHOOLS, AREA COMMUNITY

01:52:50.688,01:52:58.361
ASSOCIATIONS FACILITIES,
WITHIN THE CORE OF BOWNESS AS
NO SUCH AMENITIES HAVE BEEN

01:52:58.363,01:53:05.633
PLANNED FOR GREENBRIAR.
MEMBERS WOULD SEEK OFFICE
SPACE SERVICES IN GREENBRIAR.

01:53:05.635,01:53:10.832
COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTHWEST
BEYOND 85th STREET BRIDGE
WOULD SEEK ACCESS TO RETAIL,

01:53:10.834,01:53:14.672
COMMERCE, SERVICES IN
GREENBRIAR ADDING TO THE
TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

01:53:14.674,01:53:20.591
THE PROPOSED BEAUFORT ROAD
TRANSCANADA INTERCHANGE WILL
NOT ALTER THE RESTRICTIONS

01:53:20.593,01:53:23.896
IMPOSED BY THE TRAFFIC
CAPACITY OF 83rd STREET
NORTHWEST.

01:53:23.898,01:53:30.834
ALREADY STRAINED AT PRESENT,
WITH THE CURRENT LEVELS OF
TRAFFIC MEASURED IN THE 2010

01:53:30.836,01:53:40.108
AT 10.400 VEHICLES PER DAY AND
PROJECTED TO INCREASE BY MORE
THAN 30% TO 13.800 VEHICLES

01:53:40.110,01:53:45.508
PER DAY AS A RESULT OF THE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON 83rd

01:53:45.510,01:53:49.675
STREET NORTHWEST ARE
EXACERBATED BY THE FACT THAT
MOST OF IT’S NORTHBOUND

01:53:49.677,01:53:54.613
TRAFFIC FLOWING INTO ONE LANE
ON BOWNESS ROAD.
A THOROUGHFARE LIMITED

01:53:54.615,01:53:59.487
EASTBOUND TO 50 KILOMETRES PER
HOUR TRAFFIC THROUGH THE
BOWNESS COMMERCIAL AREA WITH

01:53:59.489,01:54:04.828
SEVERAL PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS
AND LIMITED WESTBOUND BY 30
KILOMETRE PER HOUR TRAFFIC

01:54:04.830,01:54:11.971
THROUGH PLAY GROUND ZONES,
SCHOOL ZONES AND ADDITIONAL
PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

01:54:11.973,01:54:24.589
AS WELL AS TRAFFIC CALMING
MEASURES.
EXHIBIT 5 IS A MAP WITH SOME

01:54:24.591,01:54:29.625
ROADWAYS.
THE PURPLE ONE IS 83rd STREET
WHICH IS REALLY NARROW ROAD,

01:54:29.627,01:54:35.841
KIND OF GOING DOWN, STARTS AT
BEAUFORT ROAD AND IT
PROGRESSES DOWN THE HILL TO

01:54:35.843,01:54:45.074
BOWNESS ROAD.
THE GREENBRIAR STAGE TWO
IMPACT ASSESSMENT DATED JULY

01:54:45.076,01:54:50.510
14th, 2011, SEEMS TO IGNORE
THESE FACTS AS THEY DO NOT
SHOW BOWNESS ROAD IN THE

01:54:50.512,01:54:53.783
NETWORK STUDY AND MAKE NO
REFERENCE TO THE ABILITY OF
BOWNESS ROAD TO HANDLE THE

01:54:53.785,01:55:01.831
INCREASED FLOW.
THERE IS A GREAT REQUEST TO
DECREASE TRAFFIC ON BOWNESS

01:55:01.833,01:55:06.895
ROAD THAT IT NOT BE SEEN AS A
THOROUGHFARE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS

01:55:06.897,01:55:12.636
THAT WE WANTED THE STONY
BY-PASS, WAS TO REDUCE THE
TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE

01:55:12.638,01:55:18.438
MIDDLE OF BOWNESS DOWN
BEAUFORT ROAD AND DOWN BOWNESS
ROAD.

01:55:18.440,01:55:23.011
TRANSPORTATION STUDIES AND
TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES FAILED
TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC BEYOND 83rd

01:55:23.013,01:55:28.050
STREET INTO BOWNESS ROAD.
THEY ALSO DO NOT ADDRESS THE
IMPACT ON INCREASED TRAFFIC ON

01:55:28.052,01:55:35.518
16th AVENUE THROUGH MONTGOMERY,
POTENTIAL BOTTLENECKS AT THE
85th STREET BRIDGE, THE

01:55:35.520,01:55:39.521
TRANSCANADA HOME ROAD
INTERSECTION AND BOWNESS ROAD
SHAGANAPPI.

01:55:39.523,01:55:44.061
EVEN IF WE GO WITH THE CURRENT
ARP, WE HAVE RESERVATIONS
WHETHER THE PROPOSED

01:55:44.063,01:55:53.911
INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT THE
TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.
AND THAT ENDS THE ADDRESS —

01:55:53.913,01:56:00.913
OUR POINTS ADDRESSING THE ARP
AMENDMENTS.
WE SEPARATED OUR TALK INTO

01:56:00.915,01:56:11.966
THAT AND THE OUTLINE — THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY
OF CALGARY BYLAW.

01:56:11.968,01:56:17.401
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MS. MORA.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

01:56:17.403,01:56:22.545
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MS. MORA, IS YOUR PRESIDENT
HERE WITH YOU TODAY, OF YOUR

01:56:22.547,01:56:27.547
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION?
>> NO, THE COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION PRETTY MUCH LEAVES

01:56:27.549,01:56:31.540
THESE MATTERS UP TO THE
PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT
COMMITTEE AND THOSE OF US WHO

01:56:31.542,01:56:35.147
CAME TODAY REPRESENT THAT
COMMITTEE.
>> AND WHO’S THE CHAIR OF THAT

01:56:35.149,01:56:40.111
COMMITTEE?
>> THAT WOULD BE
MR. LOZARAVIC.

01:56:40.113,01:56:44.247
>> MY QUESTION TO YOU, WHY
HAVE YOU AS A COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION NOT SAT DOWN WITH

01:56:44.249,01:56:50.395
THE DEVELOPER?
>> I THINK THAT’S A REALLY
GOOD IDEA.

01:56:50.397,01:56:54.604
WE’VE ONLY SEEN THE DEVELOPER
AT OPEN HOUSES.
>> BUT THE DEVELOPER —

01:56:54.606,01:56:58.345
>> — WITH THE CITY.
>> BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN
REQUESTING MEETINGS WITH YOU

01:56:58.347,01:57:04.981
SINCE FEBRUARY AND THERE’S
BEEN NO MEETING.
WHY WOULD THAT BE?

01:57:04.983,01:57:08.388
>> I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT
DECISION.
SORRY.

01:57:08.390,01:57:17.967
>> I MAY ANSWER.
WE HAVE HAD FAIRLY RECENT
AWARENESS OF THE DIRECTION IN

01:57:17.969,01:57:28.682
WHICH THIS PRODUCT HAS GONE.
AND NOVEMBER OF 2010 IS WHEN
WE BECAME AWARE OF THE LAND

01:57:28.684,01:57:36.483
USE REDESIGNATION AND THE
ISSUE OF THE ARP BEING
AFFECTED WAS MASKED, IT WAS

01:57:36.485,01:57:44.884
NOT BROUGHT OUT IN THE OPEN.
AND THE NEXT THING THAT WE
KNEW IS THAT THERE WAS AN

01:57:44.886,01:57:57.530
AMENDMENT OF THE ARP.
AND OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN
MOSTLY WITH THE CITY AND, YES,

01:57:57.532,01:58:02.402
CATHY OBERG HAS TRIED TO REACH
US BUT THIS IS ONLY FAIRLY
RECENTLY.

01:58:02.404,01:58:09.138
>> SO MY HISTORY IS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION WORK AS A DIRECTOR
AND AS THE PRESIDENT, AND WHEN

01:58:09.140,01:58:15.809
THE DEVELOPER OF ANY COMMUNITY
PROJECT WANTS TO SIT DOWN WITH
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, I

01:58:15.811,01:58:21.053
KNOW WE’RE ALL VOLUNTEERS, AS
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BOARD OF
DIRECTORS AND EXECUTIVE AND

01:58:21.055,01:58:27.150
PRESIDENT, BUT WE MAKE SURE
THAT WE FIND THE TIME.
AND MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THE

01:58:27.152,01:58:30.955
DEVELOPER WOULD MEET AT 2:00
ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON OR 2:00
SUNDAY MORNING, IF THAT WAS

01:58:30.957,01:58:36.928
THE REQUEST.
SO MY QUESTION BACK TO YOU IS
THEY HAVE, IN THEIR EVENT

01:58:36.930,01:58:43.028
LISTING HERE, SAID THAT THEY
HAVE REQUESTED MEETINGS WITH
YOU SINCE BACK IN FEBRUARY, SO,

01:58:43.030,01:58:46.869
AGAIN, I ASK WHY WOULDN’T YOU
SIT DOWN WITH HIM?
>> THE MEETING THAT WAS

01:58:46.871,01:58:53.606
REQUESTED WAS HERE IN THE CITY,
WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY.
>> SO WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS

01:58:53.608,01:59:00.856
SAYING HERE IS THAT THEY HAVE
REQUESTED THESE DIFFERENT
MEETINGS, SO YOU’RE SAYING

01:59:00.858,01:59:05.957
BROWN AND ASSOCIATES HAS NOT
REQUESTED A MEETING WITH YOU?
>> BROWN AND ASSOCIATES, I

01:59:05.959,01:59:10.187
DON’T KNOW WHO BROWN AND
ASSOCIATES IS.
>> THAT’S KATHY OBERG.

01:59:10.189,01:59:16.732
>> OKAY, WELL, I KNOW THAT SHE
HAS ATTEMPTED TO REACH THE
ASSOCIATION RECENTLY.

01:59:16.734,01:59:21.286
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU.

01:59:21.288,01:59:28.998
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

01:59:29.000,01:59:36.658
I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I
GUESS, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE BEING SPECIFICALLY IN WHAT

01:59:36.660,01:59:44.801
CAPACITY IT IS THAT YOU GUYS
ARE HERE TODAY, IS IT AS AN
ADJACENT COMMUNITY OR AS PART

01:59:44.803,01:59:49.108
OF THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS
BEING PART OF THE BOWNESS
COMMUNITY?

01:59:49.110,01:59:55.417
>> GREENBRIAR IS CONSIDERED
PART OF BOWNESS.
ACCORDING TO OUR AREA

01:59:55.419,01:59:58.347
REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.

01:59:58.349,02:00:03.055
SO NOW SOME OF THE CONCERNS
THAT I’VE HEARD IS IN REGARDS
TO THE CONCENTRATION OF

02:00:03.057,02:00:11.825
SPECIFIC TYPE USES, AND I’M
JUST WONDERING WHAT THE REST
OF THE COMMUNITIES DEVELOPED

02:00:11.827,02:00:15.193
OUT LIKE.
>> BOWNESS USED TO BE A
VILLAGE.

02:00:15.195,02:00:21.802
IT HISTORICALLY WAS — IT’S A
LARGE COMMUNITY.
IT’S AN ISOLATED COMMUNITY

02:00:21.804,02:00:28.011
BECAUSE IT’S BOUNDED BY THE
RIVER AND THE RIVER VALLEY HE
IS CASUALTY, THE TRANSCANADA

02:00:28.013,02:00:35.849
HIGHWAY AND TONY TRAIL —
SKARMT — SO WE ONLY HAVE FOUR
ENTRANCES.

02:00:35.851,02:00:41.620
— ESCARPMENT.
IT’S KIND OF LIKE AN ISLAND.
>> PREDOMINANTLY TO THE

02:00:41.622,02:00:46.360
PROPOSED USES IN THIS SECTOR
ONLY, NOT LOOKING AT CELLS 1
AND ALL THE OTHER CELLS YOU

02:00:46.362,02:00:50.961
GUYS HAVE REFERENCED BECAUSE
THAT’S NOT BEFORE US TODAY,
ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THAT YOU

02:00:50.963,02:00:57.237
SEE THE ENTIRE CONTEXT OF THE
ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AS FORMING
PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS TODAY.

02:00:57.239,02:01:02.302
WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY,
THOUGH, IS JUST STRICTLY THIS
PARTICULAR LAND USE.

02:01:02.304,02:01:09.861
AND I’M JUST WONDERING,
INSOFAR AS WHAT’S BEING
PROPOSED HERE, WHAT KIND OF

02:01:09.863,02:01:15.870
SIMILAR TYPE DEVELOPMENTS
CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE BOWNESS
COMMUNITY THAT ARE SIMILAR TO

02:01:15.872,02:01:20.975
WHAT’S BEING PROPOSED HERE?
MULTI-FAMILY —
>> BOWNESS IS AN OLD

02:01:20.977,02:01:25.051
COMMUNITY.
IT’S PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR ONLY WE

02:01:25.053,02:01:35.231
MIGHT CALL IT A BROWN FIELD.
IT WAS A GOLF COURSE BEFORE.
IT WAS ALSO REPORTED TO BE A

02:01:35.233,02:01:40.900
NUISANCE GROUND.
>> IS THERE A LOT OF
MULTI-FAMILY CURRENTLY IN

02:01:40.902,02:01:46.137
BOWNESS?
>> BOWNESS IS TRAGICALLY LOW
DENSITY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU

02:01:46.139,02:01:54.273
COMPARE IT TO WHAT SOME OF THE
NEW PLANS CALL FOR, THE
UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY USUAL AN

02:01:54.275,02:01:58.349
STUDY STUDENTS HAVE DONE A
LOVELY PLAN FOR BOWNESS.
— URBAN.

02:01:58.351,02:02:05.132
THEY HAVE REALLY RAISED THE
DENSITY AND ALONG
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS,

02:02:05.134,02:02:12.734
TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
AND THIS IS OUR GOAL FOR THE
MAIN PART OF BOWNESS AS WELL

02:02:12.736,02:02:17.579
AS THE NEW PART OF BOWNESS.
>> AND I’M TRYING TO THINK OF
THIS WHOLISTICALLY.

02:02:17.581,02:02:23.089
AND IN LOOKING AT WHAT
POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES MAY
EXIST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO

02:02:23.091,02:02:28.632
ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THE
MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR
THE INTENSEIFICATION,

02:02:28.634,02:02:33.743
INCREASING EMPLOYMENT
OPPORTUNITIES, PROVIDING A
MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT HOUSING

02:02:33.745,02:02:41.314
CHOICES, AND I’M WONDERING
WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS
ENVIESING FOR THE FUTURE, IS

02:02:41.316,02:02:46.815
IT CONVERTING EXISTING
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL INTO
MULTI-FAMILY, SPREADING IT OUT

02:02:46.817,02:02:55.864
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY?
>> THERE ARE POCKETS OF BOWNESS
THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER DENSITY

02:02:55.866,02:03:01.872
SO THAT DOES EXIST AND IT
EXISTS PRIMARILY AROUND THE
BOWNESS ROAD CORRIDOR.

02:03:01.874,02:03:09.205
THERE’S A LIMITED COMMERCIAL
ZONE.
IT’S INTERESTING THAT YOU ASK

02:03:09.207,02:03:11.545
THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT’S A
QUESTION THAT WE’RE GOING BACK
TO THE COMMUNITY WITH, IS

02:03:11.547,02:03:16.183
WHAT’S YOUR VISION FOR THE
FUTURE?
BECAUSE, AS ALWAYS, THERE ARE

02:03:16.185,02:03:23.124
DIE-HARDS WHO WANT TO PRESERVE
THOSE ASPECTS OF LOW DENSITY,
SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS AT THE

02:03:23.126,02:03:30.430
EXPENSE OF BEING A SUSTAINABLE
COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE, BUT
PRIMARILY, WE’RE LOOKING AT

02:03:30.432,02:03:35.365
HOW DO WE DEVELOP ALONG THAT
COMMERCIAL CORE, WHY CAN’T WE
PUT, YOU KNOW, SECOND STOREYS

02:03:35.367,02:03:43.106
ON OUR LITTLE FLAT LEVEL
ONE-STOREY RETAIL UNITS ALONG
THERE?

02:03:43.108,02:03:47.878
HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND LIVE UP WORK
DOWN DEVELOPMENT?

02:03:47.880,02:03:51.635
WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE DO
THIS.
THERE’S NO — THERE ARE NO

02:03:51.637,02:03:56.943
QUICK AND NO EASY ANSWERS.
>> I CAN TELL YOU ONE ANSWER
THAT I’VE LEARNED HERE THROUGH

02:03:56.945,02:04:03.717
COUNCIL IS THERE’S TWO THINGS
THAT PEOPLE DON’T WANT.
SPRAWL AND DENSITY.

02:04:03.719,02:04:11.389
(Laughing)
IT SEEMS RATHER ODD.
SO YOU’RE LOOKING AT, I GUESS,

02:04:11.391,02:04:18.734
LONG-TERM VISION TO INTEGRATE
MORE COMMERCIAL THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY POSSIBLY AND

02:04:18.736,02:04:23.071
MORALITY NATIVE FORMS OF
HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY AND DO YOU THINK

02:04:23.073,02:04:28.944
THAT THAT WILL HAVE A
DIFFERENT IMPACT IN REGARDS TO
THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE THAN

02:04:28.946,02:04:31.610
WHAT’S CURRENTLY PROPOSED
HERE?
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS

02:04:31.612,02:04:35.305
THAT RARELY COMES UP WHEN
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASED
COMMERCIAL IS WHAT HAPPENS IF

02:04:35.307,02:04:41.245
WE’RE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF HOME
OCCUPATION?
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LOOK AT A

02:04:41.247,02:04:46.196
DIFFERENT WAY OF CREATING
EMPLOYMENT IN THE COMMUNITY?
BOWNESS ACTUALLY HAS A FAIRLY

02:04:46.198,02:04:52.638
HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HOME
OCCUPATION, BUSINESSES GOING
ON IN THE AREA.

02:04:52.640,02:04:57.697
SO IT’S HOW DO WE THINK
OUTSIDE THE BOX AROUND THIS,
HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT NEED

02:04:57.699,02:05:05.205
FOR HIGHER DENSITY WITH AN
UNDERSTANDABLE DESIRE TO SORT
OF HAVE PRIVACY IN YOUR

02:05:05.207,02:05:12.414
BACKYARD?
SO I THINK THERE ARE ALWAYS
GOING TO BE POCKETS OF BOWNESS

02:05:12.416,02:05:18.462
THAT WILL REMAIN FOREVER AS
VERY LOW DENSITY BUT THERE ARE
AREAS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT

02:05:18.464,02:05:24.674
AS POTENTIALS FOR — AND
GREENBRIAR STUDY AREA WAS ONE
OF THEM, HOW DO WE DO A HIGHER

02:05:24.676,02:05:30.105
DENSITY, HOW DO WE MIX THAT
WITH SOME RETAIL AND SOME
COMMERCIAL, AND THAT WAS THE

02:05:30.107,02:05:36.041
ANSWER THAT WAS DEVELOPED, AND
IT WASN’T JUST CITIZENS OF
BOWNESS WHO DEVELOPED THAT,

02:05:36.043,02:05:42.185
THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY URBAN
PLANNERS.
>> NOW, I’M JUST THINKING IN

02:05:42.187,02:05:50.057
REGARDS TO CURRENT COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENTS THAT EXIST WITHIN
BOWNESS, DO YOU FEEL THAT WHAT

02:05:50.059,02:06:02.040
EXISTS IS SUFFICIENT, WHAT’S
BEING PROPOSED IS TOO MUCH FOR
THE BOWNESS AREA IN PARTICULAR

02:06:02.042,02:06:11.080
OR IS IT BECAUSE OF THE
CONCENTRATION PRIMARILY?
>> THERE’S A RULE WHEN THE

02:06:11.082,02:06:15.491
PUBLIC — SORRY, A PROVINCIAL
HIGHWAY WITH A LARGE GRADE
SEPARATED INTERCHANGE AS WE

02:06:15.493,02:06:24.234
SEE AT STONY TRAIL ON
TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY THAT YOU
MAY NOT HAVE EXITS TO LOCAL

02:06:24.236,02:06:29.334
AREAS WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER
OF KILOMETRES OF THAT
INTERCHANGE BECAUSE THAT

02:06:29.336,02:06:37.434
INTERCHANGE EXISTS BESIDE
GREENBRIAR, WE MAY NOT HAVE
EXITS AND ENTRANCES TO THAT

02:06:37.436,02:06:43.409
AREA OFF OF THE — IT’S
SURROUNDED ON TWO SIDE BY
HIGHWAYS BUT IT MAY NOT USE

02:06:43.411,02:06:47.112
THOSE HIGHWAYS AND THAT’S I
THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
IF WE HAD MORE WAYS TO GET IN

02:06:47.114,02:06:52.745
AND OUT OF THERE, THERE
WOULDN’T BE NEARLY AS MUCH
CRITICISM OF THE PROJECT.

02:06:52.747,02:07:00.483
>> INTERESTING.
EVEN THOUGH THE TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT ASSESSMENT SUGGESTS

02:07:00.485,02:07:05.317
THAT FUTURE UPGRADES WILL
ACCOMMODATE THE NEED?
>> SOMETIMES I WONDER IF THE

02:07:05.319,02:07:10.256
PEOPLE WHO DO THE TRAFFIC
ASSESSMENTS HAVE EVER REALLY
VISITED THE SITE.

02:07:10.258,02:07:15.961
>> OH, I THINK THEY HAVE.
>> I WOULD HOPE SO.
>> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS,

02:07:15.963,02:07:18.001
YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

02:07:18.003,02:07:24.700
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I HAVE NO

02:07:24.702,02:07:28.680
QUESTIONS.
I DON’T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE
HAS OR IF YOU HAVE.

02:07:28.682,02:07:33.908
>> I DON’T HAVE ANY.
BUT ALDERMAN LOWE’S LIGHT IS
ON.

02:07:33.910,02:07:36.442
>> FOR ADMINISTRATION.
>> FOR ADMINISTRATION, YOUR
WORSHIP.

02:07:36.444,02:07:39.711
>> IT’S FOR ADMINISTRATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO

02:07:39.713,02:07:42.514
THIS PROPOSAL, ANYONE ELSE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION?

02:07:42.516,02:07:46.625
OKAY.
SO WE’LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING, THEN, AND WE’LL TAKE

02:07:46.627,02:07:50.201
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION
—
>>

02:07:50.203,02:07:53.373
(Iinaudible)
>> I’M SORRY, I’M SORRY, I’M
SORRY.

02:07:54.775,02:08:01.008
WE’LL PRETEND I DIDN’T SAY
THAT LAST BIT.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.

02:08:01.010,02:08:07.088
>> YOUR WORSHIP, MEMBERS OF
THE COUNCIL, MY NAME IS PETER
MORRIEY.

02:08:07.090,02:08:16.661
I AM A RESIDENT OF BOWNESS AND
I SPEAK ON MY OWN BEHALF.
I HAVE LEARNED, I HAVE BEEN

02:08:16.663,02:08:25.100
LIVING THERE FOR A WHILE NOW,
AND I LIKE VILLAGE LIVING.
I GREW UP IN A VILLAGE MYSELF,

02:08:25.102,02:08:32.436
AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CURRENT
PLAN.

02:08:32.438,02:08:39.840
THERE IS PROVIDED A PLACE FOR
A COMMUNITY, A VILLAGE-LIKE
COMMUNITY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF

02:08:39.842,02:08:45.757
HIGHER DENSITY THAN THE
CURRENT BOWNESS.
BUT STILL, LIKE A VILLAGE, IN

02:08:45.759,02:08:54.995
A VILLAGE OR IN A LOCAL
COMMUNITY, THE COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT WOULD SUPPORT THE

02:08:54.997,02:09:03.007
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT,
MEANING THAT, IN THIS
PARTICULAR CASE, CONSIDERING

02:09:03.009,02:09:08.505
THE TYPICAL RESIDENT OF
BOWNESS IS NOT HOLDING AN
OFFICE JOB.

02:09:08.507,02:09:13.379
AND I DO NOT SEE LOCALLY THE
NEED FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS IN
THE FIRST PLACE.

02:09:13.381,02:09:22.728
IT WOULD CREATE AN OUTFLOW OF
TRAFFIC FOR THE PERSON WHO IS
GOING OUT TO DO PHYSICAL

02:09:22.730,02:09:30.602
LABOUR SOMEWHERE ELSE AND AN
INFLOW OF WHITE SHIRT WORKERS
INTO THE AREA.

02:09:30.604,02:09:40.869
WHICH IS NOT IN LAND IN MY
VIEW WITH THE COMMON — WITH A
COMMUNITY INTENDED.

02:09:40.871,02:09:51.893
SORRY.
THE CURRENT ARP WOULD BE
PREVENTING US FROM THAT

02:09:51.895,02:10:03.038
PRACTISE AND THEREFORE I
PERSONALLY WOULD OPPOSE TO THE
AMENDMENT AT THAT POINT.

02:10:03.040,02:10:14.641
LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION —
LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF
TRAFFIC.

02:10:14.643,02:10:20.819
THE AREA IS LANDLOCKED ALMOST
ON FOUR SIDES.
THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO GET

02:10:20.821,02:10:25.919
OUT OF THE PLACE.
EVEN IF YOU WOULD MAKE IT AN
EIGHT-LANE HIGHWAY TO GET OUT

02:10:25.921,02:10:36.165
OF THE PLACE, IT WILL STILL BE
ONE PLACE OF INTENSE, ONE
PLACE OF EXIT.

02:10:36.167,02:10:50.245
AND I DO NOT SEE THAT AS LET’S
SAY AN EXAMPLE OF VISION FOR A
PLANNING COMMITTEE TO HAVE A

02:10:50.247,02:10:54.281
DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY HAS ONE
PLACE TO GET IF ANYTHING GOES
WRONG.

02:10:54.283,02:11:01.448
WE KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT PLAN
FOR DISASTERS, AND WE KNOW
THEY STILL HAPPEN.

02:11:01.450,02:11:11.689
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
PERSONALLY IS TO HAVE AN
ESCAPE, NOT ONLY IN EMERGENCY,

02:11:11.691,02:11:15.695
FOR ONLY EMERGENCY VEHICLES
BUT AN EMERGENCY JUST FOR
PEOPLE TO GO TO WORK IF

02:11:15.697,02:11:21.910
THERE’S A FENDER-BENDER ON ONE
CORNER.
SO THEREFORE I WOULD THINK,

02:11:21.912,02:11:33.454
DEPENDING ON THE VISION OF THE
PLANNING COMMITTEE, I WOULD
THINK WE WOULDN’T LOOK AT

02:11:33.456,02:11:40.029
PLANNING ANY DEVELOPMENT
BEFORE SUFFICIENT SUPPORTING
INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE.

02:11:40.031,02:11:53.168
THEN WHILE SITTING HERE, I
PICKED UP THE TERM CASH IN
LIEU, AND I DIDN’T KNOW THAT

02:11:53.170,02:12:01.206
PRACTISE EXISTED, I HAVE NEVER
SEEN SOME PEOPLE PAYING ME FOR
ALLOWING SOMEBODY ELSE SELLING

02:12:01.208,02:12:10.695
GREEN SPACE TO SOMEBODY ELSE,
ALTHOUGH I LIVE IN BOWNESS.
AND I WAS RATHER SHOCKED TO

02:12:10.697,02:12:16.041
SEE NO —
(Indiscernible)
WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS

02:12:16.043,02:12:20.502
COMMON PRACTISE.
SO I ALSO HAVE RESERVATIONS
ABOUT THAT.

02:12:20.504,02:12:28.547
I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO
DEVELOPING OF LAND THAT IS
LAYING THERE IDLE.

02:12:28.549,02:12:36.693
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME
VISION IN IT, AND I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE THE BOWNESS AREA STILL

02:12:36.695,02:12:46.160
BE BOWNESS, NOT SOME KIND OF A
SETTLING TOWN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I ALSO WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE A

02:12:46.162,02:12:54.674
BIGGER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT
THAN WOULD BE IN BALANCE WITH
THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN

02:12:54.676,02:13:02.114
PLACE, MAINLY BECAUSE I THINK
THAT THE UNFAIR COMPETITION
FOR THE EXISTING BOWNESS

02:13:02.116,02:13:08.034
BUSINESSES.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

02:13:08.036,02:13:13.511
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALDERMAN MAR?
THAT’S FOR ADMINISTRATION.

02:13:13.513,02:13:17.355
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK
IN OPPOSITION TO THIS

02:13:17.357,02:13:38.564
PROPOSAL?
>> MAYOR, ALDERMEN, MY NAME IS
OSCAR FAK.

02:13:38.566,02:13:45.071
I’M NOT AGAINST PER SE THIS
DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE BEEN GOING TO BOWNESS

02:13:45.073,02:13:52.345
PARK SINCE THE 1952s.
BOWNESS WAS A NICE AREA, STILL
IS.

02:13:52.347,02:14:07.065
BUT YOU HEARD SO MANY COMMENTS,
THERE’S ONLY ONE ACCESS TO IT
IN AND OUT.

02:14:07.067,02:14:13.029
IT’S A FIRE TRAP.
THE CITY BYLAW SAYS YOU NEED
TWO ACCESSES IN AND OUT, NOT

02:14:13.031,02:14:22.001
ONE, AND I DON’T KNOW WHY
IT’S EVEN HERE BEFORE THE
CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT’S

02:14:22.003,02:14:29.611
THE RULE AND LAW.
AS FAR AS DENSITY, IT’S, I
THINK, TO SO MUCH BEING SAID,

02:14:29.613,02:14:35.518
IT WAS PROPOSED PROPERLY, I
THINK THIS PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE BEEN APPROVED BUT FIRST

02:14:35.520,02:14:43.529
IT NEEDS TO ACCESSES, AND
ALDERMAN MAR, YOU KNOW WHAT
I’M TALKING ABOUT.

02:14:43.531,02:14:50.140
YOU’RE KIND OF GRINNING.
WELL, IT IS, IF THERE’S A
FIRE RIGHT ON THE

02:14:50.142,02:14:59.822
INTERCHANGE, THERE’S OLYMPIC
GOING UP THE HILL, AND SINCE
YOU’RE SMILING AND LAUGHING,

02:14:59.824,02:15:07.316
THIS ROAD THAT GOES FROM
TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY DOWN THE
HILL TO BOWNESS, THAT’S ONLY

02:15:07.318,02:15:19.775
MISERABLE TWO-LANE ROAD.
THAT SHOULD BE WIDENED ALSO.
AND THERE’S A RESTAURANT UP

02:15:19.777,02:15:25.676
ON TOP OF THE HILL, IT’S A
NARROW ROAD.
ALL THESE THINGS ARE NOT

02:15:25.678,02:15:28.310
BEING MENTIONED TO WHAT’S
REALLY HAPPENING WITH THIS
DEVELOPMENT.

02:15:28.312,02:15:35.147
LIKE THE PEOPLE SAID, IT’S
BEING SORT OF RAILROADED
THROUGH, AND IT’S NOT RIGHT.

02:15:35.149,02:15:42.483
I’VE GOT A PIECE OF LAND UP
NORTHEAST, I’VE BEEN
RAILROADED ALSO.

02:15:42.485,02:15:48.255
AND THAT’S WHY I’M BRINGING
THESE THINGS UP.
WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL.

02:15:48.257,02:15:54.558
I’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MY
LAND, WE NEED INTERCHANGES,
WE NEED UNDERPASSES,

02:15:54.560,02:16:02.732
OVERPASSES, THEY LAUGH AT
ME.
YOU SEE, MAYOR, AND THE

02:16:02.734,02:16:06.102
TUNNEL, BUT WE GOT TO BE
CAREFUL HOW WE PLAN THINGS
AHEAD.

02:16:06.104,02:16:11.602
WE GOT TO PLAN AHEAD.
50, 100 YEARS AHEAD.
WE’RE NOT DOING IT HERE.

02:16:11.604,02:16:17.735
WHY AREN’T WE?
I HAVE MENTIONED THESE
THINGS BEFORE.

02:16:17.737,02:16:23.403
AM I TALKING TO A BRICK
WALL?
I HOPE NOT.

02:16:23.405,02:16:29.940
MAYOR, YOU’RE THE NEW MAYOR.
I ASK ABOUT THE TUNNEL ALSO,
AND YOU SORT OF INDICATED

02:16:29.942,02:16:34.247
DON’T TELL ME TOO MUCH.
>> DON’T GET OFF TOPIC HERE.
>> I KNOW.

02:16:34.249,02:16:38.153
>> I’M ALWAYS TRYING TO
PROTECT YOU.
>> I KNOW, I KNOW.

02:16:38.155,02:16:43.363
I’M TRYING TO MENTION THESE
THINGS, WE GOTTA PUT
EVERYTHING ON THE SURFACE,

02:16:43.365,02:16:48.105
BRING EVERYTHING OUT IN THE
OPEN, AND THEN HAVE A GOOD
DISCUSSION.

02:16:48.107,02:16:56.244
WHY IS THE CITY DOING SO
MUCH BEHIND CLOSED DOORS?
THAT’S NOT RIGHT.

02:16:56.246,02:17:00.413
THE RECOMMENDATION IS WE
NEED ANOTHER ACCESS TO IT,
AND THE ZONING PROBABLY WILL

02:17:00.415,02:17:05.079
BE APPROVED IF YOU GIVE THE
COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT OF
BREATHING SPACE.

02:17:05.081,02:17:10.570
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY LIVE THERE.
AREN’T YOU LISTENING TO

02:17:10.572,02:17:15.403
THEM?
ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN TO
ME WHEN I COME INTO A PLAN

02:17:15.405,02:17:22.948
FOR THE NORTHEAST?
OF COURSE NOT.
THIS IS WHAT I’M SAYING.

02:17:22.950,02:17:29.354
LOOK AT THE OFFICE BUILDING
THAT WAS BUILT UP OFF
GLENMORE TRAIL, THERE WAS

02:17:29.356,02:17:33.800
THE FIRST ALLIANCE CHURCH,
THERE’S ONLY ONE ACCESS TO
IT ALSO.

02:17:33.802,02:17:38.535
THERE’S ELDERLY PEOPLE IN
NURSING HOMES AND WE’RE
GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER — I

02:17:38.537,02:17:43.269
SPOKE OUT ON IT AGAINST IT,
THEY TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE
WE NEED TWO ACCESSES, EVEN

02:17:43.271,02:17:52.556
HERE.
I HOPE I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.
WE NEED GOOD PLANNING, GOOD

02:17:52.558,02:17:58.634
LEADERSHIP.
MAYOR, GO TO IT.
>> THANKS.

02:17:58.636,02:18:03.676
>> AND I SHOULD POINT OUT,
WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP,
THERE ARE TWO.

02:18:03.678,02:18:07.313
>> NO, THERE’S ONE, THAT’S
ALL.
>> ALL RIGHT.

02:18:07.315,02:18:09.575
THANK YOU, SIR.
>> I’VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU.

02:18:09.577,02:18:18.743
>> THANK YOU.
WE ARE AT A PRE-SDERMD
RECESS TIME BUT I WANTED TO

02:18:18.745,02:18:23.087
SEE IF THERE WERE ANY MORE
MEMBERS OF PUBLIC THAT WANT
TO SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE WE

02:18:23.089,02:18:26.596
RECESS AND IF THERE ARE,
I’LL ASK FOR A MOTION IT
EXTEND OUR SESSION.

02:18:26.598,02:18:30.933
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION?
WE DECLARE THE PUBLIC

02:18:30.935,02:18:35.795
HEARING CLOSE AND HAD WE
WILL RECESS AND WE WILL BE
BACK FOR QUESTIONS FOR

02:18:35.797,02:18:47.245
ADMINISTRATION AT 1:45.
CAPTIONING OF THIS MEETING IS
PROVIDED AS A COMMUNICATION

02:18:47.247,02:18:49.242
ACCESSIBILITY MEASURE AND IS
NOT INTENDED AS A VERBATIM
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS.

02:18:49.244,02:18:51.178
IF INACCURACIES OCCUR, IT MAY
BE DUE TO HUMAN ERROR,
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES OR AN

02:18:51.180,02:18:53.048
INABILITY ON THE PART OF THE
WRITER TO HEAR OR UNDERSTAND
WHAT IS BEING SAID.

02:18:53.050,02:18:54.982
WHILE BEST EFFORTS ARE MADE TO
DOCUMENT AS CLOSELY AS
POSSIBLE WHAT IS BEING SAID,

02:18:54.984,02:18:57.285
THE CAPTIONS CANNOT BE RELIED
UPON AS A CERTIFIED ACCURATE
RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS.

02:19:01.878,02:19:03.845
CAPTIONING OF THIS MEETING IS
PROVIDED AS A COMMUNICATION
ACCESSIBILITY MEASURE AND IS

02:19:03.847,02:19:05.886
NOT INTENDED AS A VERBATIM
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
IF INACCURACIES OCCUR, IT MAY

02:19:05.888,02:19:07.794
BE DUE TO HUMAN ERROR,
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES OR AN
INABILITY ON THE PART OF THE

02:19:07.796,02:19:09.731
WRITER TO HEAR OR UNDERSTAND
WHAT IS BEING SAID.
WHILE BEST EFFORTS ARE MADE TO

02:19:09.733,02:19:11.833
DOCUMENT AS CLOSELY AS
POSSIBLE WHAT IS BEING SAID,
THE CAPTIONS CANNOT BE RELIED

02:19:11.835,02:20:12.882
UPON AS A CERTIFIED ACCURATE
RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
>> I’M GOING CRAZY.

02:20:12.884,02:20:15.452
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE BACK.
SO WE’VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC

02:20:15.454,02:20:19.956
HEARING PORTION ON THIS
ITEM.
I’M GOING TO ENTERTAIN

02:20:19.958,02:20:23.257
QUESTIONS TO ADMINISTRATION
ONLY RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.
QUESTIONS TO ADMINISTRATION

02:20:23.259,02:20:27.524
ONLY.
BECAUSE I THINK WE’RE GOING
TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT

02:20:27.526,02:20:30.794
MOTION ON THE FLOOR ONCE
WE’VE FINISHED QUESTIONS TO
ADMINISTRATION BUT LET’S DO

02:20:30.796,02:20:34.436
IT IN THAT ORDER TODAY.
SO WITH QUESTIONS TO
ADMINISTRATION, ALDERMAN

02:20:34.438,02:20:38.497
MAR.
>> SORRY, YOUR WORSHIP,
POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

02:20:38.499,02:20:41.875
OVER LUNCH, THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS NOTICED
THERE’S AN INSICHB IS I

02:20:41.877,02:20:45.943
BETWEEN THE MAPS.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO
THE ARP MAP AND THE MAP

02:20:45.945,02:20:49.183
THAT’S ACTUALLY IN THE
REPORT.
— INCONSISTENCY WITH THE

02:20:49.185,02:20:53.527
NUMBERS.
>> OH.
>> MR. LOCKWOOD CAN EXPLAIN

02:20:53.529,02:20:57.264
THE REASONS FOR THE CHANGES
AND THE ERROR.
>> OKAY.

02:20:57.266,02:21:01.797
>> DOES THAT MEAN IT NEEDS
TO BE READVERTISED THEN?
>> WHEN SHE COMES BACK, I

02:21:01.799,02:21:06.705
WILL ASK HER THAT QUESTION
BUT LET’S HEAR THE CHANGES
NOW.

02:21:06.707,02:21:16.780
YOU CAN SIT DOWN, ALDERMAN
MAR.
WE’LL LET HIM FINISH.

02:21:34.642,02:21:40.035
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THIS IS THE
ACTUAL MAP ASSOCIATED WITH
THE LAND USE REDESIGNATION.

02:21:40.037,02:21:44.566
PARDON ME, I’M SORRY, WITH
THE AMENDMENT TO THE ARP.
YOU’LL NOTICE IN YELLOW, YOU

02:21:44.568,02:21:52.275
SEE THE 541 TO 800.
IN THE ACTUAL REPORT,
THERE’S A PROPOSED MAP 3C,

02:21:52.277,02:22:00.452
IN THE REPORT, THE DENSITY
MAXIMUM THAT READS 873.
SO THERE’S AN INCONSISTENCY

02:22:00.454,02:22:05.189
BETWEEN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN
THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE
ARP AND WHAT HAS BEEN NOTED

02:22:05.191,02:22:10.190
IN THE REPORT.
NOW, FOR THE SAKE OF
CONSISTENCY, AND IN

02:22:10.192,02:22:14.521
CONSULTATION WITH THE
APPLICANT, THEY ARE
COMFORTABLE WITH THE MAXIMUM

02:22:14.523,02:22:20.358
CAP ON THIS TO BE 800 AS
OPPOSED TO THE 873 WHICH IS
IN THE REPORT.

02:22:20.360,02:22:25.404
ON THAT BASIS, JUST FOR
INFORMATION TO COUNCIL, IT
DOES NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGE

02:22:25.406,02:22:28.872
THE OVERALL DENSITY OF THE
SITE.
THE DENSITY REQUIRED WITH

02:22:28.874,02:22:35.652
THISOULD BE 12.61 UNITS
PER ACRE AND THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE

02:22:35.654,02:22:42.530
INTENTION OF THE CHANGES IN
THE ARP AND ALSO IT IS UNDER
THE 13 MAX WHICH IS BEING

02:22:42.532,02:22:47.511
CHANGED IN ASSOCIATION WITH
THE ARP.
YOUR WORSHIP, THAT IS A

02:22:47.513,02:22:55.942
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THAT
THE 73, THE 873 WHICH IS ON
THE MAP IN THE REPORT, IN

02:22:55.944,02:23:00.179
ESSENCE, IT’S BEING
REDISTRIBUTED ELSEWHERE TO
THE OTHER SITES BUT AS I’VE

02:23:00.181,02:23:04.720
JUST STATED, IT DOES NOT
CHANGE THE OVERALL DENSITY
OF THE ENTIRE COLLECTION OF

02:23:04.722,02:23:10.166
DENSITY BETWEEN CELLS 1 TO 5
AND IT DOES NOT COMPROMISE
THE INTENTIONS OF THE

02:23:10.168,02:23:14.727
DEVELOPER IN THIS INSTANCE.
>> OKAY.
MISS SLOAN, YOU’RE OKAY WITH

02:23:14.729,02:23:22.177
THAT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST TO
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE OUR

02:23:22.179,02:23:27.847
NUMBERS CORRECT, I JUST
WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT ALL
OF THE NUMBERS ARE STAYING

02:23:27.849,02:23:36.055
THE SAME EXCEPT THE BOTTOM
TOTAL, BUT I DON’T THINK
THAT’S CORRECT.

02:23:38.188,02:23:40.823
YOUR WORSHIP, WE DO
APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION
HERE.

02:23:40.825,02:23:48.130
WE HAD A TECHNICAL ERROR IN
THAT THE WRONG MAP WAS
SUBSTITUTED IN THE BYLAW.

02:23:48.132,02:23:54.534
IF I CAN STEP BACK FOR A
MOMENT, THE CORRECT MAP AND
THE ASSOCIATED NUMBERS ARE

02:23:54.536,02:23:59.709
IN THE CPC REPORT.
THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT
HAD REQUESTED AND THAT WAS

02:23:59.711,02:24:05.649
THE ADMINISTRATION’S
RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE MAP THAT I HAVE — THAT

02:24:05.651,02:24:13.167
IS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW
WITH THE NUMBERS REFLECTS
THE CPC REPORT WITH THE SOLE

02:24:13.169,02:24:21.460
CHANGE OF REDUCING THE
NUMBER OF UNITS IN CELL 3 TO
800 INSTEAD OF 873.

02:24:21.462,02:24:26.431
THIS IS NOT WHAT THE
APPLICANT WISHES.
HOWEVER, IN CONSULTATION

02:24:26.433,02:24:34.634
WITH MISS SLOAN, WE WOULD
HAVE TO READVERTISE TO
APPROVE THE 873 TODAY.

02:24:34.636,02:24:39.403
DEPENDING ON HOW COUNCIL
WISHES TO PROCEED, WE HAVE
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE

02:24:39.405,02:24:45.048
APPLICANT THAT THEY WOULD BE
HAPPY WITH THREE READINGS,
IF COUNCIL SO WISHES TODAY,

02:24:45.050,02:24:51.676
BASED ON THE 800 NUMBER, AND
WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A
REVISION WHICH MUST BE

02:24:51.678,02:24:55.376
ADVERTISED AND CORRECTED
THROUGH A SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC
HEARING.

02:24:55.378,02:25:00.522
I’M HAVING A PROPER MAP DONE
WITHOUT MY CHICKEN SCRATCH,
AND IT SHOULD ARRIVE

02:25:00.524,02:25:03.718
MOMENTARILY.
IT’S JUST COMING RIGHT
THROUGH THE DOOR.

02:25:03.720,02:25:09.260
SO IF COUNCIL WISHES TO
PROCEED TODAY, WE WOULD
SUGGEST ADOPTING THIS MAP

02:25:09.262,02:25:15.301
WHICH, AS I INDICATED,
REFLECTS THE CPC
RECOMMENDATION WITH THE SOLE

02:25:15.303,02:25:20.643
CHANGE OF CORRECTING THE
TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AT THE
BOTTOM, WHICH WAS IN ERROR,

02:25:20.645,02:25:29.110
AND THE 800 NUMBER WHICH WAS
STATED AS 873 IN THE
ORIGINAL CPC REPORT.

02:25:29.112,02:25:35.916
>> THANK, MS. AXWORTHY.
MS. SLOAN, IS THIS SOMETHING
TO BE AMENDED AT SECOND

02:25:35.918,02:25:40.393
READING OR WOULD IT REQUIRE
ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, IF THE

02:25:40.395,02:25:43.560
DENSITIES ARE REDUCED FROM
WHAT WAS ADVERTISED, AND I
DON’T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

02:25:43.562,02:25:48.088
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHAT WAS
CONTAINED IN THE CPC REPORT
IS HIGHER IN SOME CASES THAN

02:25:48.090,02:25:52.993
WHAT WAS ADVERTISED AND I DO
HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.
IF IT’S JUST ADDITION OF THE

02:25:52.995,02:25:56.400
COLUMNS SUCH THAT THE BOTTOM
NUMBER CHANGES BECAUSE
THERE’S ALSO AN ADDITION

02:25:56.402,02:26:00.786
PROBLEM ON THE BYLAW THAT’S
BEFORE COUNCIL, I DON’T HAVE
A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

02:26:00.788,02:26:04.990
BUT IF THE NUMBERS IN THE
COLUMNS START GOING UP, I DO
HAVE CONCERNS.

02:26:04.992,02:26:07.753
>> YOU WOULDN’T ALLOW US TO
DO THE AMENDMENT THEN.
>> OKAY.

02:26:07.755,02:26:10.452
THAT’S VERY HELPFUL, THANK
YOU.
ALL RIGHT THEN.

02:26:10.454,02:26:16.291
SO DID EVERYONE GET THAT?
I SEE A COUPLE OF CONFUSED
FACES SO I WILL TRY AND

02:26:16.293,02:26:21.103
REPEAT.
THERE’S TWO ERRORS IN THE
BYLAW.

02:26:21.105,02:26:27.073
ONE IS THAT THE FAR RIGHT
COLUMN UNDER CELL 3 IS NOT
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS IN

02:26:27.075,02:26:35.347
THE REPORT THAT CPC APPROVED
THAT WAS IN THE CPC REPORT,
IT WAS UP TO 873 BUT IN THE

02:26:35.349,02:26:38.560
BYLAW AS ADVERTISED IT WAS
ONLY 800.
DID YOU SAY THERE WAS AN

02:26:38.562,02:26:42.300
ADDITION ERROR AS WELL?
>> YES.
>> IN THE FINAL BOTTOM

02:26:42.302,02:26:56.317
RIGHT-HAND CORNER, AND THAT
REALLY SHOULD READ WHAT YOU
SEE THERE, 1557 TO 2342

02:26:56.319,02:27:00.524
RATHER THAN 2392.
OKAY.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WILL BE

02:27:00.526,02:27:04.261
ASKED TO VOTE ON TODAY IS
THAT, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE
SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

02:27:04.263,02:27:07.130
ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> SORRY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.

02:27:07.132,02:27:13.765
JUST PICK UP, I HEARD MISS
AXWORTHY SAY THAT THERE
WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A

02:27:13.767,02:27:18.029
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AFTER
SOME ADVERTISING AND THAT’S
THE PIECE — I UNDERSTAND

02:27:18.031,02:27:22.130
THIS, IT’S THE NEXT PIECE,
MISS SLOAN.
>> I THINK WHAT SHE SAID WAS

02:27:22.132,02:27:26.473
IF WE WANT TO PUT IT BACK TO
WHAT WAS IN THE CPC
RECOMMENDATION —

02:27:26.475,02:27:28.776
>> ONLY IF WE WANT TO DO
THAT?
>> CORRECT.

02:27:28.778,02:27:34.003
IF WE COULD PASS IT LIKE
THIS TODAY SO THAT — IF
THAT WAS COUNCIL’S WILL, WE

02:27:34.005,02:27:37.476
COULD PASS IT LIKE THIS
TODAY SO THE APPLICANT COULD
GET ON WITH THEIR WORK, BUT

02:27:37.478,02:27:42.274
THEN HAVE A SUBSEQUENT
PUBLIC HEARING TO CHANGE 800
TO 873.

02:27:42.276,02:27:46.202
>> OH, I SEE.
IF THE APPLICANT WANTED.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE

02:27:46.204,02:27:49.373
APPLICANT DOES WANT THAT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST TO

02:27:49.375,02:27:53.187
CLARIFY, IF YOU WOULDN’T
MIND.
THE LAND USE IS UNAFFECTED

02:27:53.189,02:27:58.524
BY ANY OF THIS.
THIS IS SIMPLY AN ERROR IN
THE ASP AMENDMENT.

02:27:58.526,02:28:02.355
THE LAND USE IS UNAFFECTED.
>> OH, THAT’S A GOOD
CLARIFICATION.

02:28:02.357,02:28:06.927
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
SO WE’RE BACK TO QUESTIONS

02:28:06.929,02:28:11.036
FOR ADMINISTRATION ONLY,
PLEASE, ALDERMAN MAR, THEN
LOWE, THEN STEVENSON, THEN

02:28:11.038,02:28:14.143
ME.
>> THANK YOU.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF

02:28:14.145,02:28:18.603
QUESTIONS.
WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE
PUBLIC HEARING WAS ISSUES

02:28:18.605,02:28:26.176
RELATING LARGELY TO THE
INCONSISTENCY IN THEIR VIEW
OF THE PROPOSED PLAN AND THE

02:28:26.178,02:28:34.519
ARP.
AND HOW CONSISTENT IS THAT
WITH THE NEW MDP, PLAN IT

02:28:34.521,02:28:42.720
CALGARY, THAT WE’VE PASSED?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, IN REGARDS
TO THE AMENDMENTS TO THE ARP

02:28:42.722,02:28:49.229
THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS APPLICATION, THESE
AMENDMENTS ALLOW FOR

02:28:49.231,02:28:53.308
COMMUNITY-ORIENTED
COMMERCIAL SITE TO INCREASE
RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES AND

02:28:53.310,02:28:59.313
ALSO TO IDENTIFY PROPOSED
COMMERCIAL SITES WITHIN THE
BOWNESS ARP AREA.

02:28:59.315,02:29:04.364
THIS ALSO FACILITATES THE
LAND USE IN THE OUTLINED
PLAN.

02:29:04.366,02:29:11.248
CERTAINLY WITH THE USES THAT
ARE BEING INCORPORATED INTO
THE ARP AMENDMENTS, YOU’RE

02:29:11.250,02:29:16.129
GETTING A COMMUNITY TYPE OF
DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE MIXED USES AND ALSO

02:29:16.131,02:29:20.594
VERY LOCAL ORIENTATED
COMMERCIAL USES WHICH IS
CONSISTENT, I THINK, WITH

02:29:20.596,02:29:26.657
THE GOALS OF PLAN IT, WHEN
YOU HAVE A VERY SUSTAINABLE
COMMUNITY AND A VERY LOW-KEY

02:29:26.659,02:29:31.859
MANNER OF DENSITY AND ALSO
USE.
IT’S NOT INTENDED TO DRAW

02:29:31.861,02:29:35.566
USES BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE
COMMUNITIES.
IT’S MORE INTENDED TO BE

02:29:35.568,02:29:39.937
LOCAL ORIENTATED AND BASED
AND THAT’S ALSO THE
RATIONALE FOR THE

02:29:39.939,02:29:43.212
INTRODUCTION OF OFFICE USE
IN THIS CASE.
IT’S NOT INTENDED TO BE A

02:29:43.214,02:29:46.287
LARGE OFFICE CONSTRUCTION OR
BUILDINGS.
IT’S MORE MEANT TO BE OFFICE

02:29:46.289,02:29:52.061
USES SUCH AS DENTISTS OR
MEDICAL THAT IS INTENDED TO
DRAW THE IMMEDIATE PEOPLE IN

02:29:52.063,02:29:55.460
THE COMMUNITY IN THE AREA
AND NOT SOMETHING FROM A
WIDE DRAW.

02:29:55.462,02:30:00.503
AND THAT IS CERTAINLY, I
THINK, CONSISTENT WITH THE
GOALS OF THE MDP AND ALSO

02:30:00.505,02:30:03.870
PLAN IT IN THIS CASE.
>> THANK YOU.
NOW, WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE

02:30:03.872,02:30:07.574
COMMUNITY ISSUES RELATING TO
TRANSPORTATION AND I KNOW
THAT’S NOT YOUR EXPERTISE,

02:30:07.576,02:30:15.853
BUT I DO SEE MR. — IF YOUR
WORSHIP, IF YOU DON’T MIND,
THANK YOU.

02:30:18.354,02:30:22.589
GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> SO THE COMMUNITY

02:30:22.591,02:30:29.457
ASSOCIATION DIRECTORS, WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED
DENSITY AND HOW THIS WOULD

02:30:29.459,02:30:36.433
HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON
THE MOBILITY IN THAT AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE KEY

02:30:36.435,02:30:40.929
COMPONENTS OF THIS IS THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE
INTERCHANGE.

02:30:40.931,02:30:45.396
WHAT IS OUR STATUS WITH THAT
INTERCHANGE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AS

02:30:45.398,02:30:53.031
MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT
INTERCHANGE WAS IDENTIFIED
THROUGH THE 2009-2018 GIP

02:30:53.033,02:30:57.866
PROCESS.
WE HAVE COMPLETED THE
FUNCTIONAL PLANNING STUDY,

02:30:57.868,02:31:01.533
AND THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN
HAS ALSO BEEN COMPLETED.
>> AND IT IS FUNDED

02:31:01.535,02:31:09.309
CURRENTLY, IS IT NOT?
>> THE FUNDING FOR THAT
INTERCHANGE BEGINS IN 2012.

02:31:09.311,02:31:13.756
THE 2012 BUDGET HAS NOT YET
BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
IT WILL COME FORWARD AS PART

02:31:13.758,02:31:18.091
OF THE 2012 —
>> EVERYTHING NOW IS
CONTINGENT UPON COUNCIL

02:31:18.093,02:31:22.292
GIVING THE FUNDING OR MAKING
SURE THAT THAT FUNDING IS
AVAILABLE.

02:31:22.294,02:31:28.298
IF COUNCIL PROCEEDS WITH
THAT, WHICH I’M SUPPOSING
THAT THEY WILL, THE

02:31:28.300,02:31:31.735
INTERCHANGE COULD BE
COMPLETED BY WHEN?
>> THE INITIAL TARGET WAS AT

02:31:31.737,02:31:35.134
THE END OF 2013.
>> 2013.
SO YEAR-AND-A-HALF.

02:31:35.136,02:31:41.503
OKAY.
AND DOES THIS — YOU’RE
RIGHT, I GUESS IT IS TWO

02:31:41.505,02:31:45.712
YEARS.
DOES THAT ALLOW US THE
ABILITY TO ACHIEVE WHAT’S

02:31:45.714,02:31:53.494
BEING PLANNED IN THIS
DEVELOPMENT?
WOULD THAT HAVE THE SATISFY

02:31:53.496,02:31:56.963
RE MOBILITY?
BECAUSE I’VE HEARD FROM THE
COMMUNITY THAT THE

02:31:56.965,02:32:01.366
FUNCTIONAL STUDY ON THIS WAS
TEN YEARS OLD AND IT DIDN’T
ACCOUNT FOR THE COMMERCIAL

02:32:01.368,02:32:04.672
AND IT DIDN’T ACCOUNT FOR
THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

02:32:04.674,02:32:09.246
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ABSOLUTELY.
JUST A COUPLE OF BACKGROUND.

02:32:09.248,02:32:12.680
JUST TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE
INFORMATION ON THE TIMING OF
THE FUNCTIONAL PLANNING

02:32:12.682,02:32:16.047
STUDY.
THE FUNCTIONAL PLANNING
STUDY CURRENTLY APPROVED WAS

02:32:16.049,02:32:20.250
INITIATED IN 2007 AND
APPROVED BY LPT IN 2008.
>> OKAY.

02:32:20.252,02:32:25.428
SO IT’S NOT TEN YEARS OLD.
>> IT’S A COUPLE YEARS OLD.
AND THAT FUNCTIONAL PLANNING

02:32:25.430,02:32:30.197
STUDY HAS ALSO BEEN, I GUESS,
AS WE’VE MOVED FORWARD TO
PRELIMINARY DESIGN, WE’VE

02:32:30.199,02:32:37.936
ALSO TAKEN THE LATEST
TRAFFIC INFORMATION AS PART
OF THAT PRELIMINARY DESIGN.

02:32:37.938,02:32:42.912
>> SORRY, PARDON ME, THAT
ALSO INCLUDED FORECASTING
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS

02:32:42.914,02:32:50.619
THE ROAD, DID IT NOT?
>> THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES USED
IN BOTH THE TIA AS WELL AS

02:32:50.621,02:32:58.132
THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN WERE
PREDICATED ON WHAT YOU SEE
HERE PROPOSED FOR GREENBRIAR

02:32:58.134,02:33:05.171
AS WELL AS WHAT THE CURRENT
COUNCIL APPROVED CANADA
OLYMPIC PARK ASP PROVIDES

02:33:05.173,02:33:07.140
FOR.
>> OKAY.
AND HOW MANY VEHICLES PER

02:33:07.142,02:33:10.641
DAY ARE YOU PROJECTING
THERE?
DO YOU KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP

02:33:10.643,02:33:16.381
OF YOUR HEAD?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, FOR WHAT —
AT WHAT POINT ON THE ROADWAY,

02:33:16.383,02:33:22.513
I GUESS?
>> SORRY, AT PROJECT
COMPLETION AND BUILD OUT.

02:33:22.515,02:33:27.348
THE INTERCHANGE, I’M SORRY.
RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE
COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I’M

02:33:27.350,02:33:33.523
TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO
VALLEY RIDGE WHICH IS A
COMMUNITY THAT IS SIMILAR IN

02:33:33.525,02:33:39.155
NATURE TO THIS BEING A ON
ONE-ACCESS.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I DON’T

02:33:39.157,02:33:43.165
HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT OFF
HAND BUT I CAN DEFINITELY
LOOK THOSE UP AND GET BACK

02:33:43.167,02:33:47.664
TO YOU.
>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WITH
SOME DEGREE OF CERTAINTY

02:33:47.666,02:33:55.369
FROM YOUR EXPERTISE AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT THIS ONE
INTERCHANGE IS SATISFACTORY

02:33:55.371,02:33:59.885
TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT
MOBILITY.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH THE

02:33:59.887,02:34:07.651
REVIEW OF THE TIA FOR
GREENBRIAR STAGE TWO, WE
HAVE IDENTIFIED THE

02:34:07.653,02:34:12.653
APPROXIMATELY 80% OF THE
BUILD OUT OF GREENBRIAR CAN
BE ACCOMMODATED WITH THE

02:34:12.655,02:34:17.391
INITIAL BUILD OF BEAUFORT
TRANSCANADA WHICH IS
CURRENTLY SLATED TO BE A

02:34:17.393,02:34:22.293
SIX-LANE STRUCTURE ACROSS
TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY.
THERE WOULD BE A SUBSEQUENT

02:34:22.295,02:34:27.533
WIDENING OF THAT STRUCTURE
TO EIGHT LANES THAT WOULD
ACCOMMODATE THE REMAINING

02:34:27.535,02:34:33.026
20% OF BUILD OUT WITHIN THE
GREENBRIAR AREA.
>> NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT

02:34:33.028,02:34:42.477
WE HEARD FROM THE OPPONENTS
OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS THE
TRAFFIC ON 83rd.

02:34:42.479,02:34:50.364
CAN YOU RUN ME THROUGH THAT?
WHAT IS IT — IT’S NOT
OBVIOUSLY A MAJOR.

02:34:50.366,02:34:54.900
WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE 83rd
STREET IS CURRENTLY

02:34:54.902,02:34:57.001
CLASSIFIED AS AN ARTERIAL
STREET.
>> OKAY.

02:34:57.003,02:35:03.828
>> IT’S CURRENTLY TWO LANES.
AND AS PART OF THE ULTIMATE
PLAN FOR 83rd STREET COULD

02:35:03.830,02:35:08.172
STILL CONTINUE TO BE TWO
LANES.
THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY

02:35:08.174,02:35:13.147
PLANNED THAT WOULD
ACCOMMODATE A FOUR-LANE
ARTERIAL, IF SO DESIRED.

02:35:13.149,02:35:21.025
THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, I CAN
FIND MY PAGE HERE, THE
TRAFFIC VOLUMES CURRENTLY ON

02:35:21.027,02:35:31.434
83rd STREET ARE
APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER
6,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.

02:35:31.436,02:35:40.032
THE ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT OF
GREENBRIAR STAGE TWO TO THE
80% AS ALLOWED WITH THE

02:35:40.034,02:35:43.409
CURRENTLY-APPROVED
INTERCHANGE WOULD BRING IT
TO JUST ABOVE 9,000 VEHICLES

02:35:43.411,02:35:50.192
A DAY.
THAT IS STILL WELL BELOW A
COLLECTOR ROAD VOLUME.

02:35:50.194,02:35:55.327
SO THE TRANSPORTATION
DEPARTMENT DOES NOT BELIEVE
THERE IS A CAPACITY ISSUE

02:35:55.329,02:36:00.872
ALONG 83rd STREET.
WE DO RECOGNIZE THE
SENSITIVITY OF 83rd STREET

02:36:00.874,02:36:05.175
TO THE EXISTING BOWNESS
COMMUNITY, AND WANT TO
ENSURE THAT THAT ROADWAY

02:36:05.177,02:36:10.271
CONTINUES TO FUNCTION FOR
ALL OTHER MODES SUCH AS THE
TRANSIT CONNECTION DOWN TO

02:36:10.273,02:36:14.941
PRIMARY TRANSIT ON BOWNESS
ROAD, AS WELL AS THE WALK
CYCLE ACTIVE MODES.

02:36:14.943,02:36:20.318
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW, I CAN’T HELP BUT NOTICE

02:36:20.320,02:36:26.852
THE REASONABLY-CLOSE
PROXIMITY TO STONY.
IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF

02:36:26.854,02:36:31.265
THINGS.
NOT ON THIS MAP, OBVIOUSLY,
BUT IT IS FAIRLY WELL

02:36:31.267,02:36:35.583
LOCATED TO STONY.
IS THERE ANY WAY AT ALL THAT
WE WOULD BE ABLE CREATE SOME

02:36:35.585,02:36:40.120
SORT OF LINK-UP THERE TO
PROVIDE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT
IN AND OUT OF THIS

02:36:40.122,02:36:44.647
COMMUNITY?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AS FOR
VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO

02:36:44.649,02:36:50.052
EITHER THE TRANSCANADA
HIGHWAY OR CONNECTION TO
STONY TRAIL, NO, IT WOULD

02:36:50.054,02:36:57.925
NOT MEET STANDARDS IN ORDER
TO ACHIEVE APPROPRIATE SAFE
SPACING AND OPERATION OF

02:36:57.927,02:37:00.929
THOSE IMPORTANT SKELETAL
ROADWAYS.
>> OKAY.

02:37:00.931,02:37:06.404
>> HOWEVER, YOUR WORSHIP,
GIVEN THAT, WE ARE, AS PART
OF MOVING FORWARD ON THE

02:37:06.406,02:37:10.369
GREENBRIAR APPLICATIONS,
REQUESTING THAT THE
APPLICANT INVESTIGATE

02:37:10.371,02:37:17.175
OPPORTUNITIES FOR CROSSING
OF THOSE SKELETAL ROADS WITH
POTENTIALLY TRANSIT AND/OR

02:37:17.177,02:37:22.919
ACTIVE MODES CONNECTIONS TO
THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH.
>> OKAY.

02:37:22.921,02:37:29.519
SO WE’RE BASICALLY A
ONE-ACCESS POINT BUT I KNOW,
UNDER THE MDP, — SORRY, MGA,

02:37:29.521,02:37:33.357
WE ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
WHERE IS THAT LOCATED?

02:37:33.359,02:37:37.560
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE
EMERGENCY ACCESS TO
GREENBRIAR IS SHOWN AS THAT

02:37:37.562,02:37:41.436
LIGHT BLUE LINE CONNECTING
FROM 83rd STREET UP TO THE
EXISTING GREENWOOD VILLAGE.

02:37:41.438,02:37:44.276
THAT IS CURRENTLY THEIR
PUBLIC ACCESS.
>> YES.

02:37:44.278,02:37:49.550
>> UPON COMPLETION OF THE
BEAUFORT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS,
THE DOUBLE RED LINE ALONG

02:37:49.552,02:37:54.729
THE SOUTH SIDE OF GREENBRIAR,
THAT ACCESS WOULD BE
COMMITTED INTO A SECONDARY

02:37:54.731,02:37:57.422
EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
>> OKAY.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR

02:37:57.424,02:38:03.720
NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN MAR.

02:38:03.722,02:38:14.429
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION,
ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. VANDER

02:38:14.431,02:38:18.073
POTEN.
SORRY TO MAKE YOU GO BACK
AND FORTH, SIR.

02:38:18.075,02:38:23.180
SO YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL OF
MY TRANSPORTATION QUESTIONS.
THE ONE OUTSTANDING IS THE

02:38:23.182,02:38:28.358
EXPANSION OF THE BRIDGE
ACROSS TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY
FROM SIX TO EIGHT LANES.

02:38:28.360,02:38:34.452
IS THAT ALSO, IN PART, TO
ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH

02:38:34.454,02:38:39.164
SIDE OF TRANSCANADA, ON
CANADA OLYMPIC PARK?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AS PART OF

02:38:39.166,02:38:43.936
THE FUNCTIONAL PLAN FOR THAT
INTERCHANGE, IT WAS
RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WOULD

02:38:43.938,02:38:50.818
BE KIND OF A STAGING OF
DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF
THE TRANSCANADA, AND THAT

02:38:50.820,02:38:56.450
THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NEED
TO INITIALLY BUILD OUT TO
THE FULL CROSS-SECTION.

02:38:56.452,02:39:03.160
THE BUILD-OUT ON THE CANADA
OLYMPIC PARK SIDE, I WOULD
SUGGEST TO YOU, THEN AT THE

02:39:03.162,02:39:09.944
CURRENT ASP ENVISIONED
DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY WOULD
ALSO REQUIRE THE EIGHT-LANE

02:39:09.946,02:39:12.815
STRUCTURE.
THERE WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT
CAP ON THE SOUTHLAND, TOO,

02:39:12.817,02:39:17.745
UNTIL THAT EIGHT-LANE
STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED.
>> I GUESS I’LL JUST TALK

02:39:17.747,02:39:23.114
ABOUT THE — THERE’S A
SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED,

02:39:23.116,02:39:28.590
A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, BEING
PROPOSED ON THE CANADA
OLYMPIC LANDS ON THE SOUTH

02:39:28.592,02:39:31.053
SIDE.
IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT?

02:39:31.055,02:39:36.659
>> YOUR WORSHIP, IT WOULD BE
NOT ONLY THAT COMMERCIAL
OFFICE COMPONENT BUT ALSO

02:39:36.661,02:39:42.393
THE SPORTING FACILITIES.
>> IT’S THE WHOLE PACKAGE
THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT THERE?

02:39:42.395,02:39:47.029
>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.

02:39:47.031,02:39:53.659
YOU’VE COVERED OFF THE ISSUE
OF POSSIBLE FUTURE ACCESSES
AND THE POSSIBILITY OF

02:39:53.661,02:40:00.463
ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND
LRT LINKS ACROSS.
HAVE WE ENTERED INTO ANY

02:40:00.465,02:40:09.896
DISCUSSION WITH TRANSIT NOW?
IF IN FACT THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THE CANADA OLYMPIC PARK

02:40:09.898,02:40:14.697
LANDS GOES AHEAD, IT’S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE
WILL BE A NEED FOR A TRANSIT

02:40:14.699,02:40:19.536
HUB IN THERE.
HAVE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH
TRANSIT ABOUT MOVING THAT

02:40:19.538,02:40:26.422
PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION LINK
OR GETTING IT ATTACHED OR
CONNECTED TO GREENBRIAR?

02:40:26.424,02:40:31.796
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I GUESS
RECOGNIZING THAT THE
APPLICATION ISN’T ON THE

02:40:31.798,02:40:35.536
TABLE TODAY, THERE
DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSIONS ON CONNECTIVITY

02:40:35.538,02:40:38.871
FOR TRANSIT.
WE FEEL AT THIS TIME THAT
THE PRIMARY TRANSIT ROUTE

02:40:38.873,02:40:43.438
SHOULD REMAIN ON BOWNESS
ROAD AND THAT ANY OF THE
DEVELOPMENT THAT WE’RE

02:40:43.440,02:40:49.534
SEEING BEFORE US TODAY WOULD
PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY DOWN TO
THE PRIMARY TRANSIT ROUTE.

02:40:49.536,02:40:55.407
IT ALSO IS WITHIN A
COMFORTABLE WALKING DISTANCE,
NOT QUITE A 600 METRE RADIUS,

02:40:55.409,02:40:59.152
BUT IT’S DEFINITELY WITHIN A
WALKING DISTANCE OF THE
PRIMARY TRANSIT ROUTE DOWN

02:40:59.154,02:41:04.120
ON BOWNESS ROAD.
>> OKAY.
BUT — EXCUSE ME.

02:41:04.122,02:41:09.160
I GUESS SORT OF THE
FOLLOW-THROUGH IS WE DO HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY, DEPENDING ON

02:41:09.162,02:41:14.460
WHAT HAPPENS, ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY THERE TO
REVISIT THE WHOLE PRIMARY

02:41:14.462,02:41:16.734
TRANSPORTATION STRUCTURE IN
THERE.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AND I GUESS

02:41:16.736,02:41:21.570
TO ADD TO THAT, WE WOULD
ALSO, RECOGNIZING THE
CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS ON THE

02:41:21.572,02:41:27.615
ROADWAY NETWORK AT
TRANSCANADA BEAUFORT, THAT’S
ALSO WHY WE’RE PURSUING THE

02:41:27.617,02:41:30.423
ADDITIONAL TRANSIT
CONNECTIONS, THAT IF THERE
WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

02:41:30.425,02:41:34.696
PROVIDE SOME TRANSIT
PRIORITY BY A SEPARATE
STRUCTURE OR SEPARATE

02:41:34.698,02:41:38.699
CONNECTION TO GET THEM OUT
OF THE TYPICAL VEHICLE MIX,
WE FEEL THAT WOULD BE A

02:41:38.701,02:41:41.794
BENEFIT FOR TRANSIT
OPERATIONS AS WELL FOR THIS
WHOLE AREA.

02:41:41.796,02:41:45.764
>> I TAKE IT THE SAME
COMMENTS APPLY FOR ACROSS
STONY TRAIL INTO VALLEY

02:41:45.766,02:41:50.764
RIDGE.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, YES.
>> OKAY.

02:41:50.766,02:41:56.631
SO WE’VE GOT LOTS OF
OPPORTUNITY IN THERE TO
CONSOLIDATE OUR TRANSIT

02:41:56.633,02:42:02.844
SYSTEM AND MAKE IT TO THE
ADVANTAGE OF THE RESIDENTS
IN HERE AND IN VALLEY RIDGE,

02:42:02.846,02:42:11.562
AND I SUPPOSE, BY EXTENSION,
UP TO — SO ON.
>> YES.

02:42:11.564,02:42:15.525
>> THANK YOU.
MY LAST QUESTION, AND I’M
NOT SURE WHO I’LL DIRECT

02:42:15.527,02:42:21.528
THIS TO, PUT IF YOU GO TO
THE CPC REPORT, THERE WAS A
MOTION ARISING PUT BY A

02:42:21.530,02:42:25.761
MR. STURGESS ASKING OR
DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO
REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT

02:42:25.763,02:42:30.663
UNDERTAKE A VISIONARY MASTER
PLAN OF THE OVERALL SITE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH AND TO FORM

02:42:30.665,02:42:33.703
PART OF THE FIRST
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT
APPLICATION TO COME BACK TO

02:42:33.705,02:42:37.766
CPC.
DO YOU KNOW, IS THAT PROJECT
BEEN INITIATED, STARTED,

02:42:37.768,02:42:41.585
WHERE ARE WE WITH RESPECT TO
THAT?
BECAUSE I THINK THAT SPEAKS

02:42:41.587,02:42:46.425
TO PART OF WHAT WE HEARD
FROM THOSE OBJECTING TO IT
TODAY, THERE WAS NO GLOBAL

02:42:46.427,02:42:48.296
PICTURE.
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR
WORSHIP, WE HAVE NOT

02:42:48.298,02:42:52.064
RECEIVED A FORMAL
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT
APPLICATION THAT WOULD

02:42:52.066,02:42:57.826
REQUIRE THE DIRECTIVE OF CPC
INITIATED BY MR. STURGESS,
NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.

02:42:57.828,02:43:03.090
>> OKAY.
BUT ONCE WE GET THAT, WE
WOULD INITIATE THIS PLAN?

02:43:03.092,02:43:08.898
>> YES, I THINK IT WOULD
PROBABLY BE PRUDENT ON THE
AUTHORITY TO ENSURE THERE IS

02:43:08.900,02:43:12.666
SOMETHING, A WARNING ON THE
ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY TO
ENSURE THE DIRECTOR OF CPC

02:43:12.668,02:43:18.100
IS INITIATING THIS.
>> OKAY.
SO IN FACT, THE ISSUE OF THE

02:43:18.102,02:43:24.865
GLOBAL PLAN IS IN HAND.
>> CERTAINLY BASED ON THE —
>> DIRECTION OF CPC?

02:43:24.867,02:43:29.905
>> YES.
>> OKAY.
MY LAST — I’M SORRY,

02:43:29.907,02:43:38.283
MR. VANDER POTEN, THANK YOU.
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT
ANY DELAY BY THE APPLICANT,

02:43:38.285,02:43:42.895
THAT ANY DELAY COULD
TRANSLATE OR MAY TRANSLATE
INTO INCREASED COSTS FOR THE

02:43:42.897,02:43:48.292
CITY OF CALGARY.
ARE YOU ABLE TO COMMENT ON
THAT?

02:43:48.294,02:43:51.932
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I’M NOT
SURE WHAT THOSE INCREASED
COSTS WOULD BE.

02:43:51.934,02:43:58.272
I’M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT
AREA.
>> DO WE HAVE ANYBODY — IT

02:43:58.274,02:44:04.110
SEEMED LOGICAL TO ME, I MEAN,
IT MADE SENSE THAT IF
THEY’RE DELAYED IN THEIR

02:44:04.112,02:44:12.906
LAND, PART AND PARCEL THAT
THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG 83rd
STREET AND BEAUFORT ROAD AND

02:44:12.908,02:44:20.710
FILL WORK THAT HAD TO BE
DONE THERE, THE TWO PARTIES,
THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER,

02:44:20.712,02:44:26.254
SEEM TO BE ADVANCING THEIR
ENGINEERING LOCK STEP IN
THIS.

02:44:26.256,02:44:29.458
>> YOUR WORSHIP, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY
HAS BEEN PROCEEDING WITH

02:44:29.460,02:44:34.302
LAND ACQUISITION REQUIRED
FOR THE BEAUFORT TRANSCANADA
INTERCHANGE DOES REQUIRE A

02:44:34.304,02:44:40.072
LOT OF FILL, BECAUSE THE
CURRENT INTERSECTION SITS
WELL BELOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE

02:44:40.074,02:44:43.178
INTERSECTION WOULD
ULTIMATELY BE, YOU KNOW, IN
COORDINATION WITH THE TIMING

02:44:43.180,02:44:46.876
OF THE DEVELOPERS
CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE
BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH PARTIES.

02:44:46.878,02:44:55.755
>> BUT ALSO WOULD NOT BE THE
CONSTRUCT OF THE INTERCHANGE
AT BEAUFORT AND TRANSCANADA,

02:44:55.757,02:44:58.794
YOU’VE GOT TO HAVE THE
APPROACHES ORGANIZED TO
BUILD THE BRIDGES.

02:44:58.796,02:45:02.700
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING.
SO THERE IS A LINKAGE THERE.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, YES.

02:45:02.702,02:45:09.069
>> BUT NOBODY’S QUANTITIFIED
WHAT THE IMPACT OF A TWO OR
THREE OR FIVE OR SIX-MONTH

02:45:09.071,02:45:15.077
DELAY MIGHT BE?
>> SORRY, I’M UNFORTUNATELY
NOT…

02:45:15.079,02:45:19.685
>> CAN ANYBODY QUANTIFY THAT
FOR ME?
CAN ANYBODY GIVE ME AN

02:45:19.687,02:45:24.782
OPINION ON THAT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP —
>> I’M ALWAYS HAPPY TO GIVE

02:45:24.784,02:45:28.459
OPINIONS, ALDERMAN LOWE, BUT
IT MAY NOT BE BASED ON
ANYTHING.

02:45:28.461,02:45:35.039
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> MR. LOGAN IS OUT OF TOWN,
HE’S AWAY, AND ONE OF THE

02:45:35.041,02:45:41.639
OTHER CITY ENGINEERS WORKING
ON THE COP APPLICATION, AND
NOT HAVING CONCLUDED IT YET,

02:45:41.641,02:45:48.505
IS ALSO OUT OF TOWN.
SO I THINK ALDERMAN LOWE’S
INTERESTING QUESTIONS ARE IN

02:45:48.507,02:45:54.180
ADVANCE OF ANY INFORMATION
THAT COULD BE RESULTING IN
THE NEAR FUTURE, ALDERMAN

02:45:54.182,02:46:00.251
LOWE, BUT I’VE NEVER READ OR
SEEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

02:46:00.253,02:46:04.021
>> NEITHER HAVE I, YET I
HEARD A FAIRLY DEFINITIVE
STATEMENT FROM THE

02:46:04.023,02:46:09.052
TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER FOR
THE APPLICANT, AND IT RAISES
A RED FLAG WITH RESPECT TO

02:46:09.054,02:46:13.154
CITY COSTS, YOUR WORSHIP.
HENCE THE QUESTION.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:46:13.156,02:46:16.598
>> AND IT’S A GOOD QUESTION,
ALDERMAN LOWE.
QUESTIONS TO ADMINISTRATION,

02:46:16.600,02:46:21.697
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO MISS

02:46:21.699,02:46:27.667
SLOAN.
WHEN YOU SAID, AND MAYBE I
HEARD YOU WRONG, YOU SAID

02:46:27.669,02:46:34.218
THAT YOU WOULD HAVE NO
TROUBLE UNLESS THE NUMBERS
WENT UP BUT YET I THOUGHT I

02:46:34.220,02:46:42.076
HEARD THAT THE TOTAL UNITS
WAS 392 BEFORE AND NOW IT’S
UP TO 24 SOMETHING, 2392 TO

02:46:42.078,02:46:45.554
24, DOESN’T THAT CREATE A
PROBLEM?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE NUMBERS

02:46:45.556,02:46:51.752
IN THE CHART AND I BELIEVE
MISS AXWORTHY IS GETTING A
FINAL CHART PREPARED SO THAT

02:46:51.754,02:46:58.325
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE NUMBERS,
ESSENTIALLY ALL THE NUMBERS
ARE GOING DOWN, WITH THE

02:46:58.327,02:47:02.827
EXCEPTION OF ONE NUMBER ON
THE CPC REPORT, IT WAS
ACTUALLY HIGHER, BUT THEY’RE

02:47:02.829,02:47:05.732
NOT PROPOSING COUNCIL AMEND
THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE CAPPED AT

02:47:05.734,02:47:11.679
THE 800 INSTEAD OF 873.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM — THE
VERY, VERY BOTTOM BOX WOULD

02:47:11.681,02:47:17.058
CHANGE ONLY BECAUSE OF
ADDITION.
IT’S JUST MATHEMATICAL.

02:47:17.060,02:47:20.562
>> THAT’S NOT A CONCERN OF
YOURS?
>> NO, I’M FINE WITH THAT.

02:47:20.564,02:47:28.708
>> MR. VANDER POOTEN, I WANT
TO GO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD
THAT ALDERMAN LOWE WAS GOING

02:47:28.710,02:47:33.035
WITH REGARD TO THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE
INTERCHANGE.

02:47:33.037,02:47:41.381
IS THERE QUITE A DIFFERENCE
IN ELEVATION THAT FILL WOULD
BE TAKEN FROM THE

02:47:41.383,02:47:46.651
DEVELOPMENT TO HELP WITH THE
ROADS AROUND THE INTERCHANGE,
IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE

02:47:46.653,02:47:52.693
TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS IS
THERE A LOT OF EXTRA FILL
NECESSARY THERE AND IS THAT

02:47:52.695,02:47:56.933
COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT
THEN?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE FIRST

02:47:56.935,02:48:00.839
QUESTION, IS THERE EXTRA
FILL, ABSOLUTELY, YES.
WHERE THAT FILL IS COMING

02:48:00.841,02:48:08.510
FROM, I’M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.
WE HAVEN’T GOT THAT LEVEL OF
DETAIL YET IN THE DESIGN.

02:48:08.512,02:48:12.086
>> I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT
THEY WERE GETTING AT WHEN
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

02:48:12.088,02:48:15.283
TIMING THEM TOGETHER IN
ORDER TO BUILD THE
INTERCHANGE BUT MAYBE I GOT

02:48:15.285,02:48:21.751
THAT WRONG.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET A
LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON THE

02:48:21.753,02:48:26.747
INTERCHANGE ITSELF.
THE INTERCHANGE IS BEING
BUILT TO SUCH A STANDARD

02:48:26.749,02:48:32.118
THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE
DEVELOP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR
ON THE NORTH SIDE, WITHIN

02:48:32.120,02:48:40.575
REASON, AND THE BIG EVENTS
GOING ON AT COP, WHICH WE
KNOW SOME HUGE TRAFFIC

02:48:40.577,02:48:48.577
SITUATIONS HAPPEN THERE
SOMETIMES, ARE YOU SAYING
THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE

02:48:48.579,02:48:52.119
INTERCHANGE BUILT AT
BEAUFORT WILL BE BUILT TO
HANDLE ALL THAT?

02:48:52.121,02:48:56.616
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE TRAFFIC
VOLUMES USED FOR THE DESIGN
OF THAT INTERCHANGE WERE

02:48:56.618,02:49:04.489
BASED ON THE FULL BUILD OUT
OF GREENBRIAR AND FILL BUILD
OUT OF CANADA OLYMPIC PARK

02:49:04.491,02:49:11.394
AS CURRENTLY APPROVED IN
THEIR ASP.
EVENT TRAFFIC DEFINITELY IS

02:49:11.396,02:49:18.530
A PEAK, IT OCCURS NOT DURING
YOUR TYPICAL A.M./P.M. PEAK
AND WE’RE QUITE CONFIDENT

02:49:18.532,02:49:24.126
THE DESIGN PUT FORWARD WILL
SUFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE
THAT DEMAND.

02:49:24.128,02:49:28.500
>> CAN I GET A LITTLE MORE
CLARITY WHEN YOU SAY WHAT’S
CURRENTLY APPROVED ON THE

02:49:28.502,02:49:32.404
ASP ON THE SOUTH SIDE, DOES
THAT MEAN THAT ALL OF THE
PROPOSED COMMERCIAL

02:49:32.406,02:49:37.879
DEVELOPMENT, HOTEL,
EVERYTHING THAT’S BEING
LOOKED AT ON THE SOUTH SIDE

02:49:37.881,02:49:43.245
OF THE HIGHWAY 1, ALL OF
THAT IS A PART OF THAT
CURRENTLY APPROVED PART OF

02:49:43.247,02:49:47.075
THE ASP, IS THAT WHAT YOU
MEAN?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I’M NOT

02:49:47.077,02:49:52.586
AWARE OF ALL THE DETAILS.
WHAT I AM AWARE OF, THAT
THERE WOULD BE AN ASP

02:49:52.588,02:49:57.195
AMENDMENT REQUIRED FOR THE
CURRENT PROPOSAL FOR THE
LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR COP.

02:49:57.197,02:50:01.132
>> OKAY.
BUT THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC,
THOUGH, YOU’RE NOT

02:50:01.134,02:50:06.965
ANTICIPATING THAT WOULD
FORCE THE INTERCHANGE NOT TO
BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHAT WE

02:50:06.967,02:50:10.337
NEED THERE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THAT FILE,
AGAIN, IS CURRENTLY UNDER

02:50:10.339,02:50:16.879
REVIEW.
AND NOT INCLUDED IN THIS
ANALYSIS.

02:50:16.881,02:50:21.555
>> SO YOU’RE NOT ABLE TO SAY
FOR SURE THAT WHAT’S
PROPOSED, BUT OF COURSE THE

02:50:21.557,02:50:25.594
FINAL DESIGN IS NOT MADE OF
THAT INTERCHANGE YET, IS IT?
>> NO, YOUR WORSHIP, THERE’S

02:50:25.596,02:50:30.488
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK THE
INTERCHANGE DESIGN AT
DETAILED DESIGN STAGE.

02:50:30.490,02:50:34.059
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN

02:50:34.061,02:50:39.167
STEVENSON.
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION,
ALDERMAN CARRA?

02:50:39.169,02:50:46.108
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS,
NUMBER ONE IS WHAT IS THE

02:50:46.110,02:50:55.320
FIRE DEPARTMENT’S POSITION
ON THIS?
>> OFFHAND, YOUR WORSHIP,

02:50:55.322,02:51:00.263
I’M GOING TO ASSUME THERE
WAS A CIRCULATION DONE TO
FIRE AT THE TIME OF THE LAND

02:51:00.265,02:51:05.596
USE APPLICATION.
I’M NOT SPECIFICALLY SURE OF
THEIR COMMENTS, IF THEY’RE

02:51:05.598,02:51:09.671
— I DON’T BELIEVE THEY WERE
NOTED IN THE ACTUAL REPORT.
SO I CAN’T GIVE YOU A

02:51:09.673,02:51:15.141
DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT.
OR IF I COULD, THIS
CERTAINLY WAS CIRCULATED TO

02:51:15.143,02:51:20.383
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO
CLEARLY HAD THERE BEEN AN
ISSUE, THEY’RE VERY VIGILANT

02:51:20.385,02:51:29.158
ON ISSUES LIKE ACCESS, SO
THEY DID NOT HAVE AN
OBJECTION.

02:51:29.160,02:51:35.095
>> I’M VERY SURPRISED TO
HEAR THAT BECAUSE I SHARE
THIS SORT OF VISCERAL

02:51:35.097,02:51:40.408
CONCERN ABOUT ALL OF THIS
DENSITY BEING PROPOSED WITH
A ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT

02:51:40.410,02:51:44.783
AND THEN COLLIDING WITH
ANOTHER MASSIVE AMOUNT OF
DENSITY AND USE ON THE OTHER

02:51:44.785,02:51:49.226
SIDE OF THE TRANSCANADA,
WHICH ALSO ONLY HAS A ONE
WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.

02:51:49.228,02:51:55.265
IT SOAMES LIKE WE’VE BEEN
DOWN THIS ROOM — SEEMS LIKE
WE’VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD

02:51:55.267,02:51:59.271
MANY TIMES BEFORE.
I’VE GOT A QUESTION FOR
TRANSPORTATION.

02:51:59.273,02:52:03.739
PUN INTENDED.
WE HAD A LIVELY DEBATE IN MY
OFFICE JUST THE OTHER DAY

02:52:03.741,02:52:08.175
REGARDING A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT MATTER, BUT IT WAS
REALLY SURROUNDING SORT OF

02:52:08.177,02:52:15.816
THE TRANSPORTATION PYRAMID
AND THE CPT WHICH PUTS
PEDESTRIANS FIRST, TRANSIT

02:52:15.818,02:52:20.650
AND CYCLING NEXT, COMMERCIAL
VEHICULAR ACCESS AND THEN AT
THE VERY BOTTOM, THE PRIVATE

02:52:20.652,02:52:27.549
AUTOMOBILE.
BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION,
CAN I JUST GET

02:52:27.551,02:52:30.251
TRANSPORTATION’S SORT OF
REACTION TO THIS PROPOSAL
WITH REGARDS TO ITS RESPECT

02:52:30.253,02:52:35.979
TO THE NEW PYRAMID?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE
SUSTAINABILITY TRIANGLE THAT

02:52:35.981,02:52:42.059
YOU REFER TO IN THE MDP AND
CPT IS INTENDED TO BE
APPLIED IN CONTEXT, OF

02:52:42.061,02:52:47.000
COURSE.
THE CONTEXT HERE BEING A
CONSTRAINED SITE IN A

02:52:47.002,02:52:51.739
PLANNED GREENFIELD AREA.
WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THAT
THERE DEFINITELY ARE THE

02:52:51.741,02:52:57.275
NEED TO PROVIDE THE TRANSIT
WALK CYCLE CONNECTIONS, WE
BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER

02:52:57.277,02:53:01.743
IS PROPOSING THOSE
SUBSTANTIALLY.
THERE STILL IS A REQUIREMENT

02:53:01.745,02:53:08.855
TO ENSURE THE AUTOMOBILE —
SUFFICIENT AUTOMOBILE
CAPACITY IS PROVIDED AS WELL,

02:53:08.857,02:53:12.896
RECOGNIZING THE CONTEXT
ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING
ESTABLISHED NEIGHBOURHOOD.

02:53:12.898,02:53:16.763
>> WHAT’S THE MODE SHIFT
THAT WE’RE EXPECTING TO COME
OUT OF HERE?

02:53:16.765,02:53:20.972
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TERM
ARRIVAL OF LRT AND THOSE

02:53:20.974,02:53:26.806
KINDS OF THINGS.
THE POINT IS WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT PUTTING A LOT OF

02:53:26.808,02:53:31.749
PEOPLE ON A VERY CONSTRAINED
PIECE OF LAND WITH ONE WAY
OUT AND WHAT IS THE MODE

02:53:31.751,02:53:36.220
SHIFT WE’RE ANTICIPATING
COMING OUT OF THERE?
>> BASED ON THE TRIP

02:53:36.222,02:53:43.797
GENERATION RATES THAT WE
USED IN OUR — IN THE
ANALYSIS, WHICH WOULD BE

02:53:43.799,02:53:48.769
STANDARD GREENFIELD
MULTI-FAMILY OFFICE AND
RETAIL RATES, YOU’RE LIKELY

02:53:48.771,02:53:56.734
TO SEE THE 10 TO 15%
ALTERNATE MODE SPLIT TO WALK,
CYCLE AND TRANSIT, THE

02:53:56.736,02:54:01.700
REMAINING 85% WOULD LIKELY
BE THE PRIVATE AUTOMOBILE.
>> SO WE’RE TALKING ABOUT

02:54:01.702,02:54:07.079
THIS AS BEING A LAMP LIGHT
OF MIXED-USE DENSITY, WHICH
IS WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO

02:54:07.081,02:54:10.721
ACHIEVE IN THE PLAN IT
PROCESS.
AND YET WHAT WE’RE TALKING

02:54:10.723,02:54:16.828
ABOUT IS 85% AUTOMOBILE
DEPENDENCY RIGHT OFF THE
BAT.

02:54:16.830,02:54:21.101
OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I’D
SUGGEST THAT THE 85% SHIFT

02:54:21.103,02:54:26.009
IS VERY MUCH A PEAK HOUR IN
AND OUT.
WHAT YOU WILL LIKELY SEE

02:54:26.011,02:54:30.814
WITHIN AN AREA HERE THAT WE
OFTEN FORGET ABOUT WITHIN
THE ANALYSIS IS THE ALL-DAY

02:54:30.816,02:54:34.625
TRIPS.
PROVIDING THE MIX OF USES,
RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, WILL

02:54:34.627,02:54:37.892
ALLOW FOR INTERNAL TRIPS TO
BE MADE BY WALKING AND
CYCLING AS THE RESIDENTS WHO

02:54:37.894,02:54:41.825
LIVE THERE CAN WALK TO GET
THEIR GROCERIES, CAN WALK TO
DO THEIR DAILY ACTIVITIES,

02:54:41.827,02:54:45.528
AND IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO
WORK THERE AS WELL, THEY CAN
WALK OR CYCLE AS WELL.

02:54:45.530,02:54:53.706
>> THAT’S PROVIDED WE HAVE A
DESIGN ON THE GROUND THAT IS
ACTUALLY CATERING TO THE

02:54:53.708,02:54:59.077
PEDESTRIAN WHICH IS, YOU
KNOW, I WILL SAY FOR MY
DEBATE AS TO WLINK THIS LAND

02:54:59.079,02:55:05.944
USE PLAN RIGHT NOW —
WHETHER I THINK THIS LAND
USE PLAN RIGHT NOW ALLOWS

02:55:05.946,02:55:09.455
THAT TO HAPPEN OR LEAVES
THAT WITHIN THE REALM OF
POSSIBILITY.

02:55:09.457,02:55:13.291
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN
CARRA.
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION,

02:55:13.293,02:55:18.329
ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MR. VANDER POOTEN — SORRY,

02:55:18.331,02:55:22.525
THROUGH THE CHAIR, YOU
ALLUDED AND I THINK WE’VE
TOUCHED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY

02:55:22.527,02:55:27.588
INDIRECTLY A FEW TIMES, BUT
FOR ME, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO PERHAPS CONSOLIDATE ALL

02:55:27.590,02:55:33.695
THE TRAFFIC STUDY ISSUES AS
IT RELATES TO THE OVERPASS
IN ONE CONVERSATION.

02:55:33.697,02:55:37.436
THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE
TRAFFIC STUDY, PLEASE, WHERE
ARE WE AT WITH THAT?

02:55:37.438,02:55:42.433
I UNDERSTAND THERE’S
NEGOTIATIONS WITH PROPONENTS
PERHAPS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

02:55:42.435,02:55:45.471
HIGHWAY AT THIS POINT, WHERE
ARE WE AT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I GUESS TO

02:55:45.473,02:55:49.709
BE CLEAR, THERE ARE TWO
SEPARATE TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT STUDIES.

02:55:49.711,02:55:55.124
THE ONE TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT STUDY WAS SCOPED FOR
THE APPLICANT FOR GREENBRIAR

02:55:55.126,02:55:58.356
TOO.
THAT STUDY HAS BEEN
SUBMITTED, REVIEWED AND

02:55:58.358,02:56:04.786
ACCEPTED BY THE CITY OF
CALGARY AND BASED ON THE
INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THAT

02:56:04.788,02:56:09.664
HAS LED TO CONTRIBUTING
TOWARDS THE RECOMMENDATION
FOR APPROVAL FOR GREENBRIAR

02:56:09.666,02:56:13.795
STAGE TWO.
THERE IS ALSO A
TRANSPORTATION IMPACT

02:56:13.797,02:56:19.105
ASSESSMENT SUBMITTED AND
CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW AS
PART OF THE COPELAND USE

02:56:19.107,02:56:26.354
APPLICATION FOR WIN SPORT.
AND IT IS A SEPARATE STUDY.
AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR WHAT IS

02:56:26.356,02:56:31.851
CURRENTLY ENVISIONED BY WIN
SPORT ON THEIR LANDS.
OVER AND ABOVE WHAT

02:56:31.853,02:56:38.120
GREENBRIAR STAGE TWO IS
REQUESTING.
>> PERHAPS I’LL FOLLOW ON

02:56:38.122,02:56:42.257
ALDERMAN LOWE’S COMMENT.
ANOTHER ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM
MAY BE THE FACT THAT THERE

02:56:42.259,02:56:49.698
SEEMED TO BE, I DON’T KNOW
HOW TO PUT IT, THESE TIA’S
HAVE BECOME ADVOCACY

02:56:49.700,02:56:55.172
DOCUMENTS, BUT AT WHAT STAGE
ARE THESE DOCUMENTS BECOMING
INTEGRATED, AS A LAY PERSON,

02:56:55.174,02:56:58.769
I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD
BE SOME SYNTHESIS OF THESE
AT SOME POINT.

02:56:58.771,02:57:02.442
>> AND I WOULD SUGGEST, YOUR
WORSHIP, THROUGH THE PROCESS,
EVEN OF DESIGN, AS I’VE

02:57:02.444,02:57:06.814
ALLUDED TO THE PRELIMINARY
DESIGN VOLUMES WERE A
REVISED DESIGN VOLUME SET

02:57:06.816,02:57:12.456
THAN WAS USED AT THE
FUNCTIONAL, AND I’D SUGGEST
THE DETAILED DESIGN STAGE,

02:57:12.458,02:57:15.662
WE WOULD BE BASING IT OFF
THE BEST INFORMATION KNOWN
AT THE TIME.

02:57:15.664,02:57:20.199
THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
REVIEWING TRANSPORTATION
IMPACT ASSESSMENTS, WE CAN

02:57:20.201,02:57:24.472
ONLY BASE TIAs ON WHAT
INFORMATION IS KNOWN AT THE
TIME.

02:57:24.474,02:57:31.645
THERE BECOMES A SIGNIFICANT
RISK FOR SPECULATING WITHIN
A TIA DOCUMENT OF WHAT COULD

02:57:31.647,02:57:36.355
OCCUR ESPECIALLY IF IT’S NOT
COUNCIL APPROVED AND HENCE
WHY THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC

02:57:36.357,02:57:43.560
FOR THE GREENWOOD STAGE TWO
TIA ASSUMED BUILD OUT OF THE
SURROUNDING AREAS BASED ON

02:57:43.562,02:57:50.036
COUNCIL APPROVED ASPs, NOT
BASED ON POTENTIAL
PRE-APPLICATIONS OR OTHER

02:57:50.038,02:57:56.185
CURRENT LAND USE
APPLICATIONS UNDER REVIEW
DUE TO THEIR STATUS.

02:57:56.187,02:58:03.824
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN
POOTMANS.

02:58:03.826,02:58:09.392
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION,
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:58:09.394,02:58:15.261
MR. VANDER POOTEN, I’M
LOOKING AT A TOPOGRAPHICAL
MAP HERE OF THE AREA, AND IT

02:58:15.263,02:58:21.765
APPEARS AS THOUGH THERE’S
SOME SORT OF A CONNECTIVITY
INTO STONY TRAIL, AND YET I

02:58:21.767,02:58:26.606
DON’T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE
OTHER THAN ON THIS MAP.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE’S

02:58:26.608,02:58:31.069
CURRENTLY A CONNECTION
THERE.
BUT I DON’T IMAGINE THIS IS

02:58:31.071,02:58:34.599
GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM —
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I BELIEVE
THERE IS AN ACCURATE

02:58:34.601,02:58:41.728
CONNECTION TO AN EXISTING
SERVICE ROAD THAT I BELIEVE
SERVICES THOSE LAND WEST OF

02:58:41.730,02:58:53.074
GREENBRIAR UNTIL SUCH TIME
AS AN ALTERNATE ACCESS IS
PROVIDED TO THOSE LANDS.

02:58:53.076,02:58:59.681
NO, THEY CURRENTLY DO HAVE
LEGAL ACCESS TO STONY TRAIL
WHICH WOULD BE REPLACED BY

02:58:59.683,02:59:14.307
AN ACCESS AT THE SOUTHWEST
CORNER OF THIS OUTLAND PLAN
TO BEAUFORT ROAD.

02:59:14.309,02:59:19.016
>> THE ACCESS IS THERE.
WAS THERE 40 YEARS AGO.
IT’S FOR A COUPLE OF

02:59:19.018,02:59:22.023
ACREAGES AND AS SOON AS THE
PROVINCE GETS A CHANCE TO
CLOSE IT, THEY’RE GOING TO

02:59:22.025,02:59:26.866
CLOSE AND THEY HAVE TOLD THE
ONE ACREAGE PERSON LEFT, I
THINK IT’S A RENTAL PROPERTY

02:59:26.868,02:59:31.769
NOW, THAT THEIR TIME IS SOON
GOING TO BE UP.
SO IT COMES BACK FROM 35, 40,

02:59:31.771,02:59:35.836
50 YEARS AGO, WHEN THERE WAS
AN ACCESS FOR A COUPLE OF
ACREAGES, NOT FOR THE

02:59:35.838,02:59:44.439
VOLUMES WE TALK ABOUT TODAY.
>> INTERESTING.
HAVE WE TALKED TO THE

02:59:44.441,02:59:48.612
PROVINCE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL
EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT

02:59:48.614,02:59:54.792
SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA IN
CASE SOMETHING UNBEKNOWNST
OCCURS AT THE BEAUFORT

02:59:54.794,02:59:59.270
INTERCHANGE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I DON’T
BELIEVE WE’VE SPECIFICALLY

02:59:59.272,03:00:03.639
SPOKEN TO THE PROVINCE ON
THAT BASED ON UNDERSTANDING
OF THEIR STANDARDS AND

03:00:03.641,03:00:09.049
PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, IT’S
NOT LIKELY THAT THEY NOR THE
CITY WOULD SUPPORT AN

03:00:09.051,03:00:11.823
EMERGENCY ACCESS ON TO THE
SKELETAL ROAD NETWORK AT
THAT LOCATION.

03:00:11.825,03:00:17.762
THERE ARE OTHER EMERGENCY
ACCESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR
THESE LANDS.

03:00:17.764,03:00:26.757
>> OKAY.
NOW, I’M LOOKING AT THE CPC
REPORT, AND ON PAGE 3 OF THE

03:00:26.759,03:00:32.132
LOC 2010 LEDGERS, THERE ARE
SIX, IT DOES MAKE REFERENCE
TO THE FACT THAT THIS WAS

03:00:32.134,03:00:37.497
CIRCULATED TO A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, AND I
SEE HERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT

03:00:37.499,03:00:41.837
HAS RESPONDED WITH NO
OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT, BUT I ALSO

03:00:41.839,03:00:47.618
FOLLOW THIS DOWN TO THE
POLICE SERVICE AND IT SAYS
HERE NO REPLY.

03:00:47.620,03:00:53.584
I’M JUST WONDERING WHAT
PROCESS WE USE, YOU MIGHT
NOT WANT TO LEAVE JUST YET,

03:00:53.586,03:00:56.521
MR. VANDER POOTEN, I MAY
HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OR TWO
FOR YOU.

03:00:56.523,03:01:00.124
POLICE SERVICE HAS INDICATED
NO REPLY.
WHAT PROCESS DO WE HAVE IN

03:01:00.126,03:01:06.398
PLACE WHEN WE DON’T RECEIVE
ANY RESPONSE FROM ANY
PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, DO WE

03:01:06.400,03:01:14.272
RESUBMIT, DO WE RESOLICIT?
>> IT’S VERY COMMON ON
APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS,

03:01:14.274,03:01:18.682
THE LAND USE AMENDMENT IS
CIRCULATED AND IF NO
COMMENTS ARE RECEIVED BACK,

03:01:18.684,03:01:24.223
VERY OFTEN WE SEE — GET THE
COVER PAGE BACK, IT WILL SAY
NO COMMENT OR OBJECTIONS

03:01:24.225,03:01:29.789
NOTED AND UNLESS WE HAVE A
FORMAL REPLY IN WRITING, IT
IS NOTED AS NO COMMENTS OR

03:01:29.791,03:01:33.555
OBJECTIONS RECEIVED ON THE
APPLICATION.
>> SO WHAT GETS CIRCULATED

03:01:33.557,03:01:38.621
THEN TO THESE DEPARTMENTS?
THE FULL PLAN, TIA, THE
WHOLE KIT AND KABOODLE OR

03:01:38.623,03:01:42.326
WHAT?
>> WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE AT
THE TIME OF THE INITIAL

03:01:42.328,03:01:45.322
CIRCULATION OF THE
APPLICATION SO THERE WOULD
BE PLANS, IF THERE WAS A TIA

03:01:45.324,03:01:49.860
ASSOCIATED WITH THE
APPLICATION, THAT WOULD HAVE
BEEN DISTRIBUTED WITH THE

03:01:49.862,03:01:57.939
ORIGINAL CIRCULATION.
THE CIRCULATION PACKAGE IS
CONSISTENT TO THE REFEREES

03:01:57.941,03:02:04.007
ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTUAL
CIRCULATION PROCESS.
>> NOW, I RECEIVED A COPY OF

03:02:04.009,03:02:14.721
A REPORT THAT WAS
COMMISSIONED BACK IN 2009 BY
A COMPANY CALLED URBANICS,

03:02:14.723,03:02:19.918
AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A
CORRIDOR STUDY LOOKING AT
THE VIABILITY OF THE

03:02:19.920,03:02:23.324
COMMERCIAL MARKET IN THIS
REGION.
I’M JUST WONDERING IF YOU

03:02:23.326,03:02:27.392
WERE FAMILIAR WITH THIS
PARTICULAR REPORT.
>> THAT PARTICULAR ONE, NO,

03:02:27.394,03:02:33.371
I AM NOT, YOUR WORSHIP, NO.
>> OKAY.
WELL, THIS REPORT CERTAINLY

03:02:33.373,03:02:41.342
DOES SUPPORT THE IDEA OF
INCREASED COMMERCIAL, AND
I’M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY

03:02:41.344,03:02:47.008
YOU WEREN’T GIVEN A COPY OF
THIS REPORT.
I’M CERTAINLY MORE THAN

03:02:47.010,03:02:51.251
HAPPY TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE
TO YOU.
URBANICS, HAVE YOU HEARD OF

03:02:51.253,03:02:53.850
THIS COMPANY BEFORE?
>> JAUFD HAND, YOUR WORSHIP,
NO.

03:02:53.852,03:02:59.766
>> URBANICS CONSULTANTS
LIMITED.
OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

03:02:59.768,03:03:12.301
— OFFHAND.
THIS IS ALL PREDICATED, AS
WAS INDICATED BY ALDERMAN

03:03:12.303,03:03:17.348
STEVENSON, THAT THIS IS
BASED ON THE CURRENT
INFORMATION THAT’S BEFORE US

03:03:17.350,03:03:21.282
IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE
POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS
GOING TO BE NOT ONLY ON

03:03:21.284,03:03:26.687
THESE LAND BUT ADJACENT
LANDS BASED ON
CURRENTLY-APPROVED, BUT YOU

03:03:26.689,03:03:34.296
HAVE SEEN COPIES OF WHAT’S
BEING PROPOSED AT WIN SPORT,
I WOULD ASSUME.

03:03:34.298,03:03:41.511
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT MAY
SOMEHOW HAVE FURTHER
NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS TO

03:03:41.513,03:03:47.448
THAT INTERCHANGE IN REGARDS
TO ITS VIABILITY IN THE
FUTURE?

03:03:47.450,03:03:54.099
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I GUESS
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS
CURRENT APPLICATIONS ON THE

03:03:54.101,03:04:02.826
COP LANDS AS WELL AS WE’RE
DEFINITELY UNDERTAKING THE
WESTVIEW ASP AT THE WEST END

03:04:02.828,03:04:08.596
OF THE CITY LIMITS.
AS WELL AS SOME
PRE-APPLICATIONS IN WORK IN

03:04:08.598,03:04:16.110
THE CALGARY WEST ASP AREA,
THAT’S WHERE THE WEDDING
CHAPEL IS.

03:04:16.112,03:04:22.323
UNTIL, I GUESS, COUNCIL
DIRECTION IS GIVEN TO CHANGE
OUR ASSUMPTIONS FOR WHAT

03:04:22.325,03:04:28.004
LAND USE WOULD OCCUR IN
THOSE AREAS, I GUESS THE
INFORMATION THAT WE’VE

03:04:28.006,03:04:33.429
INCLUDED IN THE TIA IS THE
BEST APPROVED THAT WE HAVE
TO DATE.

03:04:33.431,03:04:40.070
>> SO MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
BASED ON FUTURE POTENTIAL
DEVELOPMENTS IS PRESUPPOSING

03:04:40.072,03:04:44.398
AN OUTCOME, THEREFORE WE
CAN’T REALLY CONSIDER IT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, EVEN IN MY

03:04:44.400,03:04:48.205
LIMITED TIME, I’VE SEEN SOME
VERY INTERESTING
ASPIRATIONAL DEVELOPMENTS

03:04:48.207,03:04:52.342
THAT IF WE INCLUDED ALL
THOSE PRIOR TO COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF THOSE

03:04:52.344,03:04:56.842
DEVELOPMENTS,, I WOULD
SUGGEST IT WOULD COMPLETELY
SKEW OUR ANALYSIS.

03:04:56.844,03:04:59.741
>> OKAY.
THAT’S KIND OF WHAT I
THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO

03:04:59.743,03:05:05.938
SAY, BUT I WANTED TO HEAR IT
RIGHT FROM YOU.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GET

03:05:05.940,03:05:11.106
SOME CLARITY ON SOMETHING
BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN SOME
DISCUSSION AROUND THE TABLE

03:05:11.108,03:05:16.607
ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY
TRIANGLE, AND WHEN IT WAS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, IT WAS

03:05:16.609,03:05:23.248
WRITTEN UP AS THE HIERARCHY
AND THE WORD “HIERARCHY” WAS
TAKEN OUT OF THE MUNICIPAL

03:05:23.250,03:05:26.721
DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND MY
UNDERSTANDING, AND OF COURSE
I STAND TO BE CORRECTED, AND

03:05:26.723,03:05:35.640
THAT’S WHY I’M ASKING YOU,
IS THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY
TRIANGLE WAS LOOKING AT THE

03:05:35.642,03:05:45.118
CURRENT BUILT FORM AND WHERE
OUR FOCUS WAS, PREDOMINANTLY
BEING THE AUTOMOBILE AND THE

03:05:45.120,03:05:51.183
SUSTAINABILITY TRIANGLE WAS
DEVELOPED PRIMARILY TO LOOK
AT INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES

03:05:51.185,03:05:59.066
AS COMPARED TO STATUS QUO IN
THE ORDER BY WAY IT’S LISTED
ON THE TRIANGLE, NOT

03:05:59.068,03:06:07.249
ELIMINATING THE NEED TO
PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR VEHICULAR

03:06:07.251,03:06:11.354
MOVEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, YEAH, I
GUESS, IN ITS INITIAL NOTION,

03:06:11.356,03:06:16.293
THE SUSTAINABILITY TRIANGLE
IN ITS FINAL FORM WAS
INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT THE

03:06:16.295,03:06:20.062
MOST SUSTAINABLE MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION.
ITS APPLICATION THROUGHOUT

03:06:20.064,03:06:27.532
THE MDP AND SPT IS VERY MUCH
CONTEXT SENSITIVE.
THEY INTRODUCED A NUMBER OF

03:06:27.534,03:06:33.704
CONCEPTS SUCH AS ACTIVITY
CENTRES AND CORRIDORS, NEW
ROADWAY TYPES WHEREBY WITHIN

03:06:33.706,03:06:40.322
THOSE DISTRICTS, IT WAS
EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD
DEFINITELY PROVIDE A HIGHER

03:06:40.324,03:06:46.294
QUALITY OF SERVICE FOR THOSE
ALTERNATE MODES SUCH AS WALK,
CYCLE, TRANSIT, AND

03:06:46.296,03:06:50.935
POTENTIALLY ALONG SOME OF
THOSE CORRIDORS, NOT EVEN
PROVIDE FOR THE AUTOMOBILE.

03:06:50.937,03:06:55.417
NOW, WE CAN’T —
>> VERY SELECT AREAS.
>> IN VERY SELECT AREAS.

03:06:55.419,03:06:59.889
THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF
ROADWAYS, SUCH AS OUR
SKELETAL ROAD NETWORK, THAT

03:06:59.891,03:07:05.553
WILL CONTINUE TO BE DESIGNED
FOR THE AUTOMOBILE.
AS PER DIRECTION AND

03:07:05.555,03:07:09.698
POLICIES WITHIN THE CTP.
>> THAT’S KIND OF WHAT I
THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED

03:07:09.700,03:07:17.010
CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN FARRELL WITH

03:07:17.012,03:07:20.047
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION
AND THEN MY QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION.

03:07:20.049,03:07:25.378
>> THANK YOU.
SO CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY,
MR. VANDER POOTEN, WHY BOTH

03:07:25.380,03:07:36.518
ACCESSES CAN’T STAY OPEN?
WHAT RULES PREVENT THAT?
ARE THEY OUR RULES OR OTHER

03:07:36.520,03:07:39.822
ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT RULES?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST TO
CLARIFY, YOU’RE REFERRING TO

03:07:39.824,03:07:44.396
THE TWO ACCESSES FROM 83rd
STREET?
THE ONE PUBLIC AND THE ONE

03:07:44.398,03:07:50.162
EMERGENCY ACCESS?
I WOULD SUGGEST IT’S MORE
FROM AN OPERATIONAL

03:07:50.164,03:07:58.629
STANDPOINT, THE
CLOSELY-SPACED INTERSECTIONS,
AS WELL AS A DESIRE FOR, I

03:07:58.631,03:08:03.244
GUESS, SAFE AND
WELL-MAINTAINED ROADS.
THAT THE CURRENT ACCESS TO

03:08:03.246,03:08:07.912
GREENVIEW VILLAGE IS NOT THE
MOST IDEAL FROM A GRADE
STANDPOINT AND OPERATION AND

03:08:07.914,03:08:12.452
MAINTENANCE AND A TRANSIT
STANDPOINT.
WE PREFER FOR THAT TRAFFIC

03:08:12.454,03:08:18.119
TO BE SERVED ON A MORE
APPROPRIATE CITY STREET SUCH
AS THE TWO NORTH-SOUTH

03:08:18.121,03:08:21.887
STREETS PROPOSED WITHIN
GREENBRIAR STAGE TWO.
>> OKAY.

03:08:21.889,03:08:27.288
SO MY QUESTION THEN I THINK
IS TO MR. WATSON.
MR. WATSON, WE DISCUSSED

03:08:27.290,03:08:32.652
THIS AT LENGTH IN PLANNING
COMMISSION.
AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY

03:08:32.654,03:08:35.822
MR. STURGESS, WHICH WAS
SUPPORTED BY ALL MEMBERS OF
THE PLANNING COMMISSION,

03:08:35.824,03:08:41.324
TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR A
MASTER PLAN.
AND THERE WAS SOME HEALTHY

03:08:41.326,03:08:46.335
DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY
BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS THAT

03:08:46.337,03:08:55.009
RICH COMMUNITY FLAVOUR THAT
WE DON’T SEE A LOT OF IN NEW
DEVELOPMENT IN CALGARY.

03:08:55.011,03:09:02.258
SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK THEN?
WOULD THAT NEED TO BE —
IT’S A MOTION ARISING WORK

03:09:02.260,03:09:08.561
THAT NEED TO BE A MOTION
ARISING OF THE DECISION
TODAY?

03:09:08.563,03:09:15.135
AND IS THIS THE BEST
LOCATION FOR THE PLANNING
WORK IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE

03:09:15.137,03:09:21.508
THAT RICH COMMUNITY THAT THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION SO
DESPERATELY WANTS?

03:09:21.510,03:09:28.342
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I
COULD, ALDERMAN FARRELL,
THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING

03:09:28.344,03:09:31.085
SITE.
I THINK THIS IS ABOUT THE
THIRD TIME I’VE DEALT WITH

03:09:31.087,03:09:36.423
IT IN MY CAREER.
BUT YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
PLANNING COMMISSION DID TALK

03:09:36.425,03:09:40.828
ABOUT THE NEED TO LOOK AT IT
MORE COMPREHENSIVELY, MUCH
LIKE SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF

03:09:40.830,03:09:45.168
THE COMMUNITY SPOKE TO
EARLIER.
THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, THERE

03:09:45.170,03:09:49.541
WAS A MOTION ARISING OUT OF
PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE WOULD THEN MAKE SURE THAT

03:09:49.543,03:09:52.510
THAT WAS PUT ON THE FILE AND
AT THE TIME WHEN THE FIRST
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT CAME IN

03:09:52.512,03:10:00.155
ON THIS SITE, WE WOULD ASK
THAT THAT MASTER PLAN BE
DONE TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF

03:10:00.157,03:10:05.355
DETAIL AND SOMEWHAT IN THE
LINES OF WHERE ALDERMAN
CARRA WAS COMING IN TERMS OF

03:10:05.357,03:10:08.656
SEEING HOW THIS WOULD WORK,
IN TERMS OF THE ASPIRATIONS
THAT HAVE VERBALLY BEEN

03:10:08.658,03:10:13.163
MENTIONED.
ANOTHER MOTION ARISING BY
COUNCIL HERE COULD DO

03:10:13.165,03:10:18.136
EXACTLY THE SAME THING AND
THAT WOULD AGAIN BE PUT ON
THE FILE IN TERMS OF THE

03:10:18.138,03:10:22.905
POSSE SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN AN
APPLICATION DOES COME IN FOR
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ON THIS

03:10:22.907,03:10:29.643
LAND, THAT IT IS ACCOMPANIED
BY QUOTE A MASTER PLAN THAT
LOOKS AT ALL THE PIECES AND

03:10:29.645,03:10:33.086
ANOTHER LEVEL OF DETAIL AS
WE START SEEING AT THAT
LEVEL OF DETAIL WHETHER

03:10:33.088,03:10:36.159
WE’RE GOING TO START
ACHIEVING WHAT WE’RE HOPING
TO DO IN THIS.

03:10:36.161,03:10:42.298
>> SO THAT MASTER PLAN WORK,
AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

03:10:42.300,03:10:45.865
REDEVELOP PROPERTY WITHIN
OUR CITY BOUNDARIES, THAT
SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MASTER

03:10:45.867,03:10:51.941
PLANS, THAT WORK IS NOT PART
OF THIS PROCESS TODAY, IT’S
FUTURE PROCESS, BUT IT’S

03:10:51.943,03:10:58.979
JUST AS NECESSARY.
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE ARE
NOT RELUCTANT TO DO — I USE

03:10:58.981,03:11:02.916
THE WORD MASTER PLAN, BUT I
KNOW THAT’S A LOADED WORD
AND PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT

03:11:02.918,03:11:07.813
INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT THAT
MEANS, BUT QUITE OFTEN, AND
I KNOW IN SOME CASES WE USE

03:11:07.815,03:11:12.484
MASTER PLAN OR CONCEPT PLANS
AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS
LATER, SOMEONE BRINGS BACK A

03:11:12.486,03:11:16.315
PLAN THAT DOESN’T LOOK
ANYTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL
LAND USE AND THERE’S ANOTHER

03:11:16.317,03:11:21.820
WHOLE SET OF PROCESSES THAT
GET KICKED INTO PLAY SO
WE’RE TODAY, THOUGH, TRYING

03:11:21.822,03:11:26.325
TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT,
OVERALL, THE LAND USES WITH
THE RANGES THAT ARE

03:11:26.327,03:11:32.296
ESTABLISHED IN THE ARP AND
WITHIN THE LAND USE ITSELF
ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS

03:11:32.298,03:11:39.203
PIECE OF LAND.
AND IF NOT THIS, THEN WHAT?
AGAIN, COUNCIL KNOWS IF WE

03:11:39.205,03:11:43.570
SAY NOTHING’S APPROPRIATE,
THEN I GUESS WE BETTER BE
TALKING TO MR. STEVENS ABOUT

03:11:43.572,03:11:48.071
BUYING THIS LAND OR WE HAVE
TO FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY
WILL FIT ON THIS LAND.

03:11:48.073,03:11:54.212
I THINK, IN THIS PARTICULAR
APPLICATION, THERE ARE SOME
ASPECTS HERE THAT, IN FACT,

03:11:54.214,03:11:58.948
COULD MOVE US TOWARDS WHERE
WE HAVE TO GO IN TERMS OF
INTENSEIFICATION AND SOME —

03:11:58.950,03:12:02.481
IF PEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING
HERE, THEY’RE LIVING
SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND ARE MOST

03:12:02.483,03:12:07.517
LIKELY LIVING ON THE EDGES.
AND THAT IS NOT WHERE WE
SUGGEST PLAN IT OUGHT TO BE

03:12:07.519,03:12:13.965
GOING, AND IF WE CANNOT
IN-FILL PIECES LIKE THIS,
FRANKLY, COUNCIL, WE WILL

03:12:13.967,03:12:18.061
OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS
WATCH US GROW ON THE EDGE AS
OPPOSED TO —

03:12:18.063,03:12:22.934
>> WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING
AT GREAT COST.
AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW THAT

03:12:22.936,03:12:28.170
I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO A
MORE AGGRESSIVE PLAN IT,
SIMILAR TO WHERE WE STARTED

03:12:28.172,03:12:33.487
OUT, BUT THANKS FOR THOSE
ANSWERS.
THANK YOU.

03:12:33.489,03:12:36.756
>> NEW CENTRAL LIBRARY,
REALLY BIG NEW CENTRAL
LIBRARY.

03:12:36.758,03:12:40.758
YOU ASKED WHAT THE USE OF
THAT LAND COULD BE.
MR. VANDER POOTEN, I THINK

03:12:40.760,03:12:43.524
YOU’VE ANSWERED THIS
QUESTION ALREADY, BUT I WANT
TO PUT IT TO YOU QUITE

03:12:43.526,03:12:49.032
PLAINLY.
A NUMBER OF FOLKS WITHIN AND
OUTSIDE OF THE CITY HAVE

03:12:49.034,03:12:55.570
SUGGESTED TO ME THAT THE
BEAUFORT ROAD INTERCHANGE AS
CURRENTLY PLANNED IS

03:12:55.572,03:12:59.040
INACCURATE EVEN FOR WHAT IS
CURRENTLY APPROVED BY
COUNCIL.

03:12:59.042,03:13:02.885
THE WORD I’VE HEARD USED ARE
IT WILL BE A FAILURE ON THE
FIRST DAY.

03:13:02.887,03:13:06.292
IS THIS AN UNFAIR ASSESSMENT,
DO YOU THINK?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I WOULD

03:13:06.294,03:13:10.362
SUGGEST THAT THAT IS UNFAIR.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK HAS
BEEN DONE BY THE CITY AND

03:13:10.364,03:13:14.499
ITS CONSULTANTS TO DESIGN
THE MOST APPROPRIATE PIECE
OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS

03:13:14.501,03:13:20.668
LOCATION.
TO SERVE THE DESIRED
INTENSITIES IN ITS

03:13:20.670,03:13:26.569
SURROUNDINGS.
THE AREA CURRENTLY OPERATES
WITH A SIGNALIZED

03:13:26.571,03:13:29.070
INTERSECTION.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SAFETY
ISSUES IN THE PAST.

03:13:29.072,03:13:33.385
THERE ARE SOME PEAK CAPACITY
ISSUES.
DAY ONE, I DON’T BELIEVE

03:13:33.387,03:13:38.487
THERE TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH
THE PROPOSED INTERCHANGE.
YOUR WORSHIP, PER MY

03:13:38.489,03:13:43.428
PREVIOUS COMMENTS, THERE
WILL NEED TO BE AN ULTIMATE
DESIGN.

03:13:43.430,03:13:50.732
THE INITIAL DESIGN AS
MENTIONED IS ONLY SIX LANES
CROSSING THE TCH AND AT SOME

03:13:50.734,03:13:54.604
POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE TIMING AND
FUNDING OF THE WIDENING OF

03:13:54.606,03:13:59.245
THE STRUCTURE.
>> AND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE,
GIVEN THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IS

03:13:59.247,03:14:05.479
BEING PROPOSED BUT IS NOT
APPROVED FOR THE LANDS SOUTH
OF THE HIGHWAY, WOULD THE

03:14:05.481,03:14:10.882
ULTIMATE STRUCTURE SERVE IF
COUNCIL, I’M VERY
HYPOTHETICAL HERE, IF

03:14:10.884,03:14:14.101
COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE
WHAT’S BEING PROPOSED FOR
SOUTH OF THE HIGHWAY, WOULD

03:14:14.103,03:14:18.569
THE ULTIMATE STRUCTURE SERVE
OR WOULD IT STILL BE
INADEQUATE, DO YOU THINK?

03:14:18.571,03:14:21.734
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ONE OF THE
CONCERNS THAT I HEARD RAISED
TODAY THAT HAS BEEN ECHOED

03:14:21.736,03:14:25.939
BY THE TRANSPORTATION
DEPARTMENT IS THAT SINGLE
POINT OF ACCESS.

03:14:25.941,03:14:31.713
YOU KNOW, SINGLE POINTS OF
ACCESS HAVE INHERENT AMOUNT
OF RISK TO THEM WHEN THERE

03:14:31.715,03:14:36.385
ARE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT
RAISE THEMSELVES OR
EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.

03:14:36.387,03:14:40.814
AS WE’VE CONDITIONED WITH
GREENBRIAR, WE NEED TO
INVESTIGATE ALTERNATIVE

03:14:40.816,03:14:46.848
CONNECTIONS ACROSS STONY AND
THE TRANSCANADA.
AND WE’VE MADE THOSE SAME

03:14:46.850,03:14:49.788
COMMENTS TO WIN SPORT TO THE
SOUTH.
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO

03:14:49.790,03:14:54.128
RECOGNIZE THAT WITH ANY
INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT,
EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT

03:14:54.130,03:15:02.800
EXISTS TODAY, ONE VEHICULAR
OR ALL MODE ACCESS IS NOT
SUFFICIENT.

03:15:02.802,03:15:09.037
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION?

03:15:09.039,03:15:16.153
ALL RIGHT THEN.
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

03:15:16.155,03:15:22.418
I’LL FIRST REFER TO A BIT OF
THE HISTORY OF THE SITE
BRIEFLY WHICH IS A PART OF

03:15:22.420,03:15:33.732
THE LAND USE APPLICATION.
LOC 2010-00 06 ON PAGE 3
TSHG GIVES AWE HISTORY OF

03:15:33.734,03:15:38.874
THE SITE AND AS MR. WATSON
SAID MINUTES AGO, HE’S SEEN
THREE APPLICATIONS ON THIS

03:15:38.876,03:15:41.981
SITE, THE THIRD IN HIS
CAREER.
I AGREE.

03:15:41.983,03:15:45.981
THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE
EVEN EARLIER THAN ANY OF US
REMEMBER, BUT IN THE MOST

03:15:45.983,03:15:51.217
SIGNIFICANT WAS IN JULY 1995
WHEN THE GIMLIBLE HEALTH
PARK DEVELOPMENT WAS

03:15:51.219,03:15:59.830
PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE.
— GIMBLE.
WHICH DID NOT PROCEED

03:15:59.832,03:16:03.933
BECAUSE I BELIEVE OF FEDERAL
POLICIES WITH RESPECT TO
HEALTH CARE FUNDING SO THAT

03:16:03.935,03:16:07.780
WAS AN APPROVED PLAN THAT
COVERED ALMOST ALL OF THE
SITE.

03:16:07.782,03:16:13.449
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS
NEVER IMPLEMENTED.
THE CURRENT APPLICATION HAS

03:16:13.451,03:16:21.615
BEEN IN THE MILL FOR SOME
TIME AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS,
AND I’M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY

03:16:21.617,03:16:28.459
OR SINGLING OUT ANY ONE
GROUP IN PARTICULAR, A
SUFFICIENT DIALOGUE TO ME, A

03:16:28.461,03:16:33.800
CLEAR SIT-DOWN DISCUSSION OR
DISCUSSIONS HAVE NOT
OCCURRED.

03:16:33.802,03:16:37.642
YES, THERE’S BEEN AN
EXCHANGE OF E-MAILS BETWEEN
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

03:16:37.644,03:16:42.614
AND THE APPLICANT, AND
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION GROUP AND THE

03:16:42.616,03:16:46.447
PLANNING AND BUILDING
DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER

03:16:46.449,03:16:50.146
THAT EVERYONE WHO SPOKE
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ARE

03:16:50.148,03:17:02.497
ALL VOLUNTEERS.
THEY’RE NOT PAID LOBBYISTS,
THEY’RE NOT PAID TO PRESENT

03:17:02.499,03:17:05.731
DETAILED COMMISSION —
SUBMISSIONS AT PUBLIC
HEARINGS OF COUNCIL, THEY DO

03:17:05.733,03:17:08.536
THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THE
INFORMATION THAT THEY’VE
GOT.

03:17:08.538,03:17:13.247
AND I THINK THEY’VE MADE A
REASONABLE ATTEMPT TO
PRESENT THEIR POSITION, EVEN

03:17:13.249,03:17:21.344
THOUGH NOT EVERYONE AGREES
WITH IT, AND PARTICULARLY
NOT THE APPLICANT.

03:17:21.346,03:17:28.877
PERHAPS THE REASON THAT
THERE WAS NOT A GREAT DEAL
OF ENTHUSIASM FOR A MEETING

03:17:28.879,03:17:34.242
TO THIS POINT IN TIME WAS A
LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN,
WHICH IS APPENDIX 5 ON THE

03:17:34.244,03:17:39.790
LAND USE APPLICATION, THE
LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN BY
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO

03:17:39.792,03:17:46.316
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT
ARTICULATING SIX ISSUES THAT
ARE OUTLINED ON FEBRUARY

03:17:46.318,03:17:53.758
12th, 2010.
THE RESPONSE TO THAT IS IN A
LETTER, APPENDIX 6, FROM

03:17:53.760,03:17:58.265
BROWN AND ASSOCIATES, WHICH
REFUTES ALL BUT ONE OF THE
COMMENTS BEING MADE BY THE

03:17:58.267,03:18:02.639
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
SO, IN EFFECT, THERE HAS, UP
TO THIS POINT, BEEN

03:18:02.641,03:18:09.973
AGREEMENT TO DISAGREE.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS AN
AREA OF AGREEMENT AND CAN BE

03:18:09.975,03:18:16.187
AN AREA OF AGREEMENT ON THIS
PROPOSED LAND USE AND ON
THESE TWO THINGS, THE

03:18:16.189,03:18:20.485
PROPOSED ARP AMENDMENT AND
THE LAND USE APPLICATION AND
FOR THOSE REASONS, AND I’VE

03:18:20.487,03:18:27.028
WRITTEN THIS OUT BUT IT’S
NOT TYPED, MADAM CLERK, AND
THIS IS MY MOTION, THAT BOTH

03:18:27.030,03:18:35.371
BYLAWS 12P-2011 AND 13D-2007
BE REFERRED TO THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR THE

03:18:35.373,03:18:39.807
PURPOSES OF CONVENING —
2011 — A THOROUGH DIALOGUE
BETWEEN THE THREE PARTIES,

03:18:39.809,03:18:44.651
THAT IS THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT, THE LAND OWNER
AND THE REPRESENTATIVE —

03:18:44.653,03:18:50.920
AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE
BCA, WITH A SUPPLEMENTARY
REPORT TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO

03:18:50.922,03:18:58.193
COUNCIL NOT LATER THAN THE
JUNE 13th, 2011, COMBINED
MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL.

03:18:58.195,03:19:03.696
I THINK THAT IS A POINT IN
TIME AT WHICH WE’LL KNOW IF
THE PARTIES AGREE ON ANY

03:19:03.698,03:19:08.635
POINTS, AND I THINK THERE
CAN BE AN AGREEMENT ON SOME.
AND IT WILL BE BACK BEFORE

03:19:08.637,03:19:16.507
COUNCIL AS A REPORT, NOT TO
THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN,
BUT AS A REPORT FOR COUNCIL

03:19:16.509,03:19:20.046
TO ADJUDICATE.
BUT TODAY, YOUR WORSHIP, I
DON’T THINK THERE’S A BIG

03:19:20.048,03:19:27.088
RUSH TO PROCEED.
I DON’T SEE ANY EARTH-MOVING
EQUIPMENT OUT ON THE SITE.

03:19:27.090,03:19:32.558
WE KNOW THAT NOTHING MUCH IS
GOING TO PROCEED IN TERMS OF
DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE

03:19:32.560,03:19:38.667
CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
INTERCHANGE IS UNDER WAY AND,
YES, I’M SURE THE LAND OWNER

03:19:38.669,03:19:44.743
WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH
SOME ENGINEERING WORK BUT
THERE’S THE ELEPHANT IN THE

03:19:44.745,03:19:49.745
ROOM THAT WE DON’T HAVE AN
ANSWER — ANY ANSWERS FOR
TODAY, AND THE INFORMATION

03:19:49.747,03:19:53.752
I’VE HEARD TODAY FROM THE
REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE
TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS

03:19:53.754,03:19:57.626
SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
I’VE HEARD AND DISCUSSED
WITH THE TRANSPORTATION

03:19:57.628,03:20:03.463
DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF THE
PROPOSED LAND USE FOR CANADA
OLYMPIC PARK AND WIN SPORT.

03:20:03.465,03:20:09.169
AND THAT’S WHY YOU’LL SEE
THE DISCUSSION MOVING FROM A
SIX-LANE OVERPASS OVER

03:20:09.171,03:20:13.576
TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY TO AN
EIGHT-LANE OVERPASS OVER
TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY AT

03:20:13.578,03:20:21.445
BEAUFORT ROAD AND THAT IS
OBVIOUSLY AS A RESULT OF THE
REVIEW OF THE WIN SPORT

03:20:21.447,03:20:24.620
APPLICATION WHICH I
UNDERSTAND WILL BE AT
COUNCIL AT THE JULY PUBLIC

03:20:24.622,03:20:29.327
HEARING.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
ISSUES WITH THE WIN SPORT

03:20:29.329,03:20:33.625
APPLICATION, EVEN THOUGH
YOU’VE HEARD TODAY THAT
THERE MAY NOT BE, I BELIEVE

03:20:33.627,03:20:38.193
THERE ARE.
AND HOPEFULLY IN THE INTERIM,
THEY WILL GET THOSE SORTED

03:20:38.195,03:20:44.393
OUT BEFORE THE PUBLIC
HEARING ON JULY 4th OR 5th,
WHENEVER OUR JULY PUBLIC

03:20:44.395,03:20:47.894
HEARING IS.
DIG MY LITTLE CALENDAR OUT
HERE.

03:20:47.896,03:20:51.959
JULY 4th.
COMBINED MEETING OF COUNCIL,
THAT’S WHEN YOU’LL SEE, AS

03:20:51.961,03:20:55.632
FAR AS I KNOW, THE WIN SPORT
APPLICATION.
SO YOUR WSHIP, I DO THINK

03:20:55.634,03:21:00.465
WE HAVE TIME TO BE HAVING A
SECOND LOOK AT THIS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE

03:21:00.467,03:21:03.833
WORTHWHILE.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL
PLANS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE

03:21:03.835,03:21:09.072
THAT HAVE NEVER PROCEEDED.
I THINK PERHAPS THIS ONE HAS
THE MORE LIKELIHOOD OF

03:21:09.074,03:21:16.447
PROCEEDING.
IT’S NOT A SINGLE-USE
APPLICATION THAT THE GIMBLE

03:21:16.449,03:21:21.292
HEALTH PARK WAS AND I ASK
COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THIS
MOTION.

03:21:21.294,03:21:25.433
>> I PERSONALLY AM FEELING
THE EARTH MOVE WITH ALL THE
ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM HERE

03:21:25.435,03:21:28.534
MYSELF, BUT DO I HAVE A
SECONDER FOR THAT REFERRAL
MOTION?

03:21:28.536,03:21:35.636
THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ON THE REFERRAL MOTION THEN,
ALDERMAN LOWE.

03:21:35.638,03:21:42.558
>> YOUR WORSHIP, PLEASE
RESHMI, CAN I DEBATE
REFERRAL OR ONLY AS TO TIME?

03:21:42.560,03:21:46.261
>> YOU CAN DEBATE THE
REFERRAL.
>> I CAN DEBATE THE

03:21:46.263,03:21:51.901
REFERRAL.
WELL, YOUR WORSHIP, IF IT
WERE A REFERRAL FOR TWO

03:21:51.903,03:21:56.574
WEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT
ALDERMAN HODGES IS
SUGGESTING, I’D BE PREPARED

03:21:56.576,03:22:03.514
TO ENTERTAIN IT.
BUT FOR THIS LONG, I’M NOT.
AND I’D BE FAR HAPPIER IF

03:22:03.516,03:22:11.520
THE MOTION WAS TO GRANT
FIRST READING.
THEN REFER IT FOR TWO WEEKS

03:22:11.522,03:22:14.756
FOR THE DISCUSSION TO TAKE
PLACE WHICH WOULD ENABLE ANY
KIND OF AMENDMENTS TO BE

03:22:14.758,03:22:24.707
MADE AT SECOND READING.
NOW, IF REFERRALS ARE NOT
AMENDABLE, IF I RECALL

03:22:24.709,03:22:45.495
CORRECTLY…
>> ONLY AS TO TIME, SIR.
ONLY AS TO TIME.

03:22:45.497,03:22:51.366
>> ONLY AS TO TIME.
SO YOUR WORSHIP, I WILL
AMEND THE DATE TO NEXT

03:22:51.368,03:22:56.702
COUNCIL MEETING WHICH IS THE
18th DAY OF APRIL.
>> THAT’S ONLY A WEEK FROM

03:22:56.704,03:23:00.275
NOW.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> OKAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

03:23:00.277,03:23:03.615
BECAUSE YOU SAID TWO WEEKS
EARLIER.
>> I KNOW, I APOLOGIZE, IT’S

03:23:03.617,03:23:10.023
ONE WEEK FROM NOW.
WHAT THAT DOES, YOUR WORSHIP,
IS ALLOWS OR, IF YOU WILL,

03:23:10.025,03:23:17.936
IT’S GOING TO PUT THE TWO
GROUPS INTO A ROOM, I
RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE

03:23:17.938,03:23:25.341
VOLUNTEERS, BUT I HAPPEN TO
KNOW THAT THE CITY FOLKS DO
WORK EVENINGS AND AS I THINK

03:23:25.343,03:23:31.341
SOMEBODY POINTED OUT HERE
SUNDAY MORNINGS AND SUNDAY
AFTERNOONS AND SATURDAYS,

03:23:31.343,03:23:37.472
THEY WILL DO WHATEVER’S
NECESSARY TO TRY TO GET THE
TWO GROUPS TOGETHER.

03:23:37.474,03:23:41.881
THIS ITEM AS ALDERMAN
FARRELL POINTED OUT QUITE
CORRECTLY WAS SUBJECT TO A

03:23:41.883,03:23:47.417
VERY LONG DISCUSSION AT
PLANNING COMMISSION, A VERY,
VERY, VERY LONG DISCUSSION

03:23:47.419,03:23:51.589
AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE ISSUES OF THE ACCESS TO
THE MOBILE HOME PARK, THE

03:23:51.591,03:23:56.988
ISSUES OF FUTURE ACCESS TO
THE MOBILE HOME PARK, THE
ISSUES OF EMERGENCY ACCESS,

03:23:56.990,03:24:08.029
THE ISSUES OF THE ACCESS OFF
OF 83rd STREET, WHATEVER IT
IS, WERE ALL DISCUSSED.

03:24:08.031,03:24:15.057
THE INTERNAL FLOW OF ROOM, I
BELIEVE THE LOGICAL
EXTENSION OUT OF THAT WAS

03:24:15.059,03:24:21.127
MR. STURGESS’S MOTION
ARISING ASKING FOR THE
OVERALL VISION FOR THE AREA

03:24:21.129,03:24:26.811
TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THE
FIRST DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO IT WAS GIVEN AN

03:24:26.813,03:24:31.585
EXTREMELY-THOROUGH HEARING
AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THIS IS THE

03:24:31.587,03:24:36.389
RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU GO
THROUGH IT, YOU’LL FIND NOT
ONLY IT WAS PASSED

03:24:36.391,03:24:40.693
UNANIMOUSLY TO THAT PLANNING
COMMISSION, BUT THERE WERE A
SERIES OF AMENDMENTS AND

03:24:40.695,03:24:45.626
MOTIONS ARISING CAME OUT OF
IT WHICH AGAIN, IF I RECALL
CORRECTLY, AND IT’S IN THE

03:24:45.628,03:24:49.498
REPORT, WERE SUPPORTED BY
ALL MEMBERS OF PLANNING
COMMISSION.

03:24:49.500,03:24:54.640
SO THIS WAS BEATEN TO DEATH,
SIR.
AND I THINK ONE WEEK SHOULD

03:24:54.642,03:25:01.709
BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO AIR
THE ISSUES BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY AND THE

03:25:01.711,03:25:09.257
DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND
THE COMMUNITY, DEVELOPMENT
AUTHORITY AND THE APPLICANT

03:25:09.259,03:25:16.393
AND THEN BRING IT BACK HERE
AND UNREGRETTABLY, WE WILL
START OUT AT FIRST READING.

03:25:16.395,03:25:24.202
IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS TO
BE MADE AT SECOND READING,
IT WILLING — IT WILL GIVE

03:25:24.204,03:25:27.001
ALDERMAN HODGES OR WHATEVER
AN OPPORTUNITY THEN.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN LOWE.

03:25:27.003,03:25:30.841
WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE
REFERRAL MOTION SECONDED BY
ALDERMAN STEVENSON TO CHANGE

03:25:30.843,03:25:35.351
THE DATE — WE DON’T HAVE IT
UP ON THE SCREEN YET — TO
CHANGE THE DATE — THERE WE

03:25:35.353,03:25:41.260
GO — FROM JUNE 13th TO
APRIL 18th.
ON THE AMENDMENT, ALDERMAN

03:25:41.262,03:25:46.924
CARRA.
>> I’VE GOT A VARIETY OF
THINGS TO SAY.

03:25:46.926,03:25:51.773
FIRST OFF, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, ALDERMAN LOWE, FOR
YOUR SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WAS

03:25:51.775,03:25:56.414
DISCUSSED AT CALGARY
PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT THAT’S THE KIND

03:25:56.416,03:26:00.213
OF SYNOPSIS THAT WE SHOULD
GET FROM PLANNING
COMMISSION.

03:26:00.215,03:26:04.787
IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES, GIVES
A LAY-OUT.
I WAS VERY CONCERNED WITH

03:26:04.789,03:26:09.488
OUR REPORT.
THERE WAS A VERY PERFUNCTORY
TREATMENT GIVEN TO OTHER

03:26:09.490,03:26:13.322
MODES OF TRANSPORTATION
OTHER THAN PRIVATE
AUTOMOBILE.

03:26:13.324,03:26:19.764
AND THERE WAS A VERY
PERFUNCTORY TREATMENT GIVEN
TO COMMUNITY CONSULTATION

03:26:19.766,03:26:25.466
WITH RESPECT TO THE CALIBRE,
WHAT THE ISSUES WERE, AND
THAT’S PROBLEMATIC, AND I

03:26:25.468,03:26:31.264
THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
OUR CPC REPORTS BETTER.
AS I EXPLAINED TO THE

03:26:31.266,03:26:35.413
APPLICANT WHEN THEY PAID ME
THE COURTESY OF VISITING ME
IN MY OFFICE TO DISCUSS THIS

03:26:35.415,03:26:39.874
ISSUE, I HAVE MASSIVE
CONCERNS THAT IT SEEMS I
SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY

03:26:39.876,03:26:42.977
REGARDING THE ONE WAY IN,
ONE WAY OUT NATURE OF THE
PLAN.

03:26:42.979,03:26:47.777
I THINK IT’S EXTREMELY
PROBLEMATIC.
I ALSO, AS I EXPLAINED TO

03:26:47.779,03:26:53.621
THE APPLICANT, HAVE SERIOUS
CONCERNS WITH THE LACK OF
INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE MEL

03:26:53.623,03:26:57.301
CORE PART OF THE PLAN, THE
MOBILE HOME PARK, AND THE
PARCEL TO THE WEST, I FORGET

03:26:57.303,03:27:05.373
THE NAME THAT WE’RE —
>> ( INAUDIBLE )
>> NO, TO THE WEST.

03:27:05.375,03:27:09.268
THE PARK SIDE PORTION OF THE
PLAN.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT

03:27:09.270,03:27:13.274
THIS ENTIRE THING COMPRISES
A NEIGHBOURHOOD UNIT AND
WHETHER AND HOW IT HANGS

03:27:13.276,03:27:17.243
TOGETHER AS A NEIGHBOURHOOD
UNIT, HOW IT ALL WORKS, IS
THE QUESTION.

03:27:17.245,03:27:22.378
AND SLAPPING A COUPLE OF
LAND USE PARCELS WITH A
SKELETAL ROAD NETWORK THAT’S

03:27:22.380,03:27:29.407
VERY, VERY QUESTIONABLE AS
TO WHETHER WE WILL BE ABLE
TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING THAT’S

03:27:29.409,03:27:34.052
QUALITATIVELY THE INTENT OF
PLANNING, THERE IS ALSO, AS
WE DISCUSSED TODAY, HUGE

03:27:34.054,03:27:38.855
QUESTION MARKS REGARDING THE
LACK OF COORDINATION BETWEEN
WHAT’S HAPPENING THE WAY AT

03:27:38.857,03:27:42.829
COP, AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
AN EIGHT-LANE INTERCHANGE
HOPING THAT’S GOING TO DO

03:27:42.831,03:27:48.402
IT.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A MODAL —
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A MODAL

03:27:48.404,03:27:52.834
PRIORITIZEATION OF THE
AUTOMOBILE HERE THAT, FOR
ALL THE MIXED-USE HIGH

03:27:52.836,03:27:56.776
DENSITY IS NOT GETTING DOWN
TO THE CORE ISSUE OF WHAT
WE’RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN

03:27:56.778,03:28:00.275
PLAN IT.
MY FEELING, IF WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT DENSITY LIKE THIS, WE

03:28:00.277,03:28:04.082
BETTER TALK ABOUT
TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT
APPROACH TO THIS AND, AGAIN,

03:28:04.084,03:28:08.928
VERY PERFUNCTORY TREATMENT.
AS I EXPLAINED TO THE
APPLICANT, THOUGH, WHEN THEY

03:28:08.930,03:28:13.632
PAID ME THE COURTESY OF
COMING TO SEE ME, I THINK
THERE’S A LOT OF POTENTIAL

03:28:13.634,03:28:19.410
WITH THIS PLAN BUT THERE’S
HUGE QUESTION MARKS.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE

03:28:19.412,03:28:22.175
EITHER/OR QUESTION THAT
WE’VE BEEN BATTING AROUND
HERE AS TO WHETHER THE

03:28:22.177,03:28:25.347
COMMUNITY IS RIGHT OR
WHETHER THE DEVELOPER’S
RIGHT AND THAT’S OUR PLACE

03:28:25.349,03:28:29.818
TO DECIDE, I THINK WE’VE
SORT OF BEEN — WE’RE IN A
HORRIBLE TRAP IN TERMS OF

03:28:29.820,03:28:33.811
QUANTITYIFICATION.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY,
WE’RE NIT-PICKING DENSITY

03:28:33.813,03:28:37.051
NUMBERS AND WHAT IT COMES
DOWN TO IS THE QUALITY OF
THE DEVELOPMENT.

03:28:37.053,03:28:45.259
AND IT COULD BE HIGH DENSITY
DEVELOPMENT THAT ACHIEVES
THE QUALITATIVE, YOU KNOW,

03:28:45.261,03:28:49.561
PROMOTION OF THE LIFESTYLE
THAT WE’RE TRYING AND THE
OPTIONS WE’RE TRYING TO

03:28:49.563,03:28:56.038
ACHIEVE THROUGH PLAN IT OR
IT COULD BE JUST MORE OF THE
SAYING WITH POTENTIALLY A

03:28:56.040,03:29:00.006
COUPLE OF ARCHITECTURAL
FEATURES TO MAKE IT LOOK
PRETTIER.

03:29:00.008,03:29:04.448
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE
MASTER PLAN ISSUE IS THE
CORE PRINCIPLE, IS THE CORE

03:29:04.450,03:29:08.889
ISSUE, AND WHETHER IT IS
ABLE TO BE — WHETHER WE’RE
ABLE TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE’RE

03:29:08.891,03:29:15.644
TRYING TO ACHIEVE OR NOT
COMES 100% DOWN TO THE
MASTER PLAN.

03:29:15.646,03:29:20.585
YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, THEY’RE SAYING,
BOWNESS IS A VILLAGE.

03:29:20.587,03:29:25.989
WE WANT THAT VILLAGE
CHARACTER, AND, YOU KNOW,
YOU CAN HAVE VERY HIGH

03:29:25.991,03:29:31.193
DENSITY, VIBRANT VILLAGE OR
YOU CAN HAVE — THE THING
THEY’RE HANGING THEIR HAT ON

03:29:31.195,03:29:36.833
IS THE QUALITY AND THE
REALITY IS, AS A FORMER
PROFESSIONAL IN THE FIELD, I

03:29:36.835,03:29:40.368
HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE
QUALITY OF THE OUTCOME IS
GOING TO BE, AND THAT’S WHY

03:29:40.370,03:29:46.003
I THINK THE MASTER PLAN IS
ESSENTIAL.
SO I’M MORE INCLINED TO

03:29:46.005,03:29:50.341
SUPPORT DALE’S MOTION.
I SECONDED IT, OF COURSE,
BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO

03:29:50.343,03:29:54.680
HAVE IS A MASTER PLAN
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS
ALL GOING TO WORK.

03:29:54.682,03:29:58.747
RATHER THAN A COUPLE OF BIG
BLOBS ON THE LANDSCAPE.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, IF YOU

03:29:58.749,03:30:04.556
WANT TO ACHIEVE THE VIBRANT,
URBAN VILLAGES, THE ACTIVITY
CENTRES, THE MIX-USE,

03:30:04.558,03:30:10.224
EXCITING PLACE, YOU DESIGN
THEM, AND THEN YOU BACK THEM
OUT INTO THE BLOBS FOR LAND

03:30:10.226,03:30:14.683
USE AND OTHER THINGS.
TO TRY AND GET IT RIGHT AT
THE LAND USE, THE BLOB STAGE,

03:30:14.685,03:30:19.259
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET IT
DOWN TO THE RIGHT DESIGN,
YOU KNOW, WHAT IF YOU HAVE

03:30:19.261,03:30:23.402
TO MOVE A ROAD, WHAT IF YOU
HAVE — GET THE DESIGN RIGHT,
THEN BACK IT OUT.

03:30:23.404,03:30:28.341
SO I’D BE VERY — I NEED TO
SEE A MASTER PLAN BEFORE I’M
COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

03:30:28.343,03:30:34.977
AND SO I WILL BE NOT
SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT TO
THE REFERRAL.

03:30:34.979,03:30:39.820
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ON THE AMENDMENT, ALDERMAN
HODGES.

03:30:39.822,03:30:43.390
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP, THANK
YOU.
YOUR WORSHIP, IF THE

03:30:43.392,03:30:47.828
AMENDMENTS HAD BEEN FOR TWO
WEEKS OR LONGER, I.E. FOUR
WEEKS, I COULD HAVE POSSIBLY

03:30:47.830,03:30:52.761
SUPPORTED IT.
EFFECTIVELY, ALDERMAN LOWE
AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,

03:30:52.763,03:30:55.688
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
NEXT FOUR DAYS.
I DON’T THINK THE NEXT FOUR

03:30:55.690,03:31:01.757
DAYS IS EXACTLY REASONABLE.
PEOPLE DO HAVE THINGS, OTHER
THINGS IN THEIR LIVES, EVEN

03:31:01.759,03:31:05.292
OCCASIONALLY SOMETIMES
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL DO.
(Laughing)

03:31:05.294,03:31:08.461
THAT’S WHAT I’D LIKE TO KNOW,
TOO.
>> I MUST TRACK THEM DOWN.

03:31:08.463,03:31:14.104
>> THERE IS NO MEETING AFTER
THE 18th ON OUR SCHEDULE
UNTIL MAY 9th SO MAY 19th IS

03:31:14.106,03:31:19.078
THE COMBINED MEETING AND IF
ALDERMAN LOWE HAD SAID MAY
9th, I’D BE INCLINED TO

03:31:19.080,03:31:21.755
SUPPORT IT.
HE DIDN’T SO I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT,

03:31:21.757,03:31:24.893
YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.
ON THE AMENDMENT, ALDERMAN

03:31:24.895,03:31:31.063
MacLEOD.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I TOO HAVE SOME CONCERNS

03:31:31.065,03:31:33.834
ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE
WEAK.
— WEEK.

03:31:33.836,03:31:39.414
I HAVE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR
THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE,
AND I ALSO AM CONCERNED

03:31:39.416,03:31:48.347
ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS
UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BY THE
COMMITTEE — COMMISSION, AND

03:31:48.349,03:31:53.558
I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY
HAS BEEN REMISS IN NOT
MAKING THEMSELVES AVAILABLE

03:31:53.560,03:32:00.436
FOR FURTHER CONSULTATION.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE SOMEHOW
NEED TO MAKE THIS BETTER,

03:32:00.438,03:32:07.103
MAYBE NOT RIGHT IN THE FULL
SENSE, BUT WE CAN DO BETTER.
AND SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT

03:32:07.105,03:32:13.814
ONE WEEK, BUT I DO SUPPORT
— I DON’T WANT TO SEE THIS
GO ON ANY LONGER THAN IT

03:32:13.816,03:32:17.831
ABSOLUTELY IS NECESSARY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN MacLEOD.

03:32:17.833,03:32:20.328
ON THE AMENDMENT, ALDERMAN
FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.

03:32:20.330,03:32:26.596
WELL, I THINK THE REQUEST TO
MAY 9th IS A REASONABLE ONE.
I DON’T WANT TO DELAY IT AS

03:32:26.598,03:32:32.477
PER ALDERMAN HODGES’ REQUEST,
BUT I THINK MAY 9th GIVES
EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO

03:32:32.479,03:32:39.313
LOCK AT THEIR CALENDARS, SO
I WILL AMEND THE AMENDMENT,
UNLESS THE MOVER OF THE

03:32:39.315,03:32:41.982
AMENDMENT WANTS TO CHANGE
IT.
I GUESS IT’S ALREADY ON THE

03:32:41.984,03:32:45.414
FLOOR.
I’LL AMEND THE AMENDMENT TO
MAY 9th, IF SOMEBODY WOULD

03:32:45.416,03:32:50.953
SECOND IT.
>> THANKS.
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART,

03:32:50.955,03:32:58.225
ALL RIGHT, ON THE AMENDMENT
TO THE AMENDMENT, ANYONE?
ALDERMAN CARRA.

03:32:58.227,03:33:02.197
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I GUESS THIS IS JUST A
QUESTION, AND I’M PUTTING

03:33:02.199,03:33:08.301
THIS TO ALDERMAN FARRELL,
THEN TO ALDERMAN LOWE, THEN
TO ALDERMAN HODGES.

03:33:08.303,03:33:14.507
WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING TO GET
OUT OF THE CONSUMPTION?
( PLEASE STAND BY )

03:34:17.359,03:34:22.929
>> BEING THAT WE HAVE CLOSED
THE PUBLIC PORTION, HOW DOES
THIS PLAY INTO ALL OF THIS

03:34:22.931,03:34:27.838
NOW.
ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS.
>> I WAS GOING TO ANSWER THAT

03:34:27.840,03:34:35.829
QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTED.
MAY AS WELL ANSWER IT NOW.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AS ALWAYS

03:34:35.831,03:34:40.593
WHEN ITEMS ARE REFERRED BACK
FOR FURTHER CONFRONTATION
THERE IS A RISK THAT A NEW

03:34:40.595,03:34:43.823
ADVERTISEMENT AND PUBLIC
HEARING WILL BE REQUIRED.
REALLY DEPENDS WHAT

03:34:43.825,03:34:49.024
INFORMATION COMES UP.
THERE MAY BE NOTHING NEW THAT
ARISES, IN WHICH CASE COUNCIL

03:34:49.026,03:34:54.797
CAN SIMPLY PROCEED.
IF THERE IS NEW INFORMATION
THAT ARISES AS WE HAVE SEEN IN

03:34:54.799,03:34:56.966
THE PAST YEAR ON OTHER
APPLICATIONS IT MAY BE
NECESSARY TO READVERTISE AND

03:34:56.968,03:35:01.404
HAVE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
NOT JUST THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
IN THE MEET CONSULTATION BUT

03:35:01.406,03:35:06.172
THE GENERAL PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO
SPEAK TO THOSE ISSUES.
BECAUSE THERE COULD BE ISSUES

03:35:06.174,03:35:12.114
THAT ARISE THAT PEOPLE WEREN’T
AWARE OF THAT THEY MAY WISH TO
COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THAT

03:35:12.116,03:35:15.447
OTHERWISE WOULDN’T HAVE
CONCERNED THEM.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT,

03:35:15.449,03:35:17.918
Ms. SLOAN.
THAT’S ONE OF THE CONCERNS
THAT I HAD.

03:35:17.920,03:35:23.686
I KIND OF THOUGHT THERE MIGHT
BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER
DELAY THE PROJECTS BEYOND THE

03:35:23.688,03:35:28.795
DATE THAT’S BEING PROPOSED
HERE SHOULD SOMETHING NEWCOMBE
OUT OF THAT, WHICH POTENTIALLY

03:35:28.797,03:35:36.171
COULD FURTHER DELAY THIS
PROJECT TO I GUESS PROBABLY
ANOTHER 45 DAYS BY THE TIME IT

03:35:36.173,03:35:45.346
CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT BACK TO
COUNCIL, AFTER THIS DATE.
ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE

03:35:45.348,03:35:51.116
INTENT I THINK THE ORIGINAL
DATE OF APRIL THE 18th HAS
BEEN AMENDED TO MAY SOMETHING

03:35:51.118,03:35:57.986
OR ANOTHER WOULD HAVE AT LEAST
PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT
TO COME BACK WITHIN A

03:35:57.988,03:36:06.531
REASONABLE TIME FRAME, EVEN IF
SOMETHING NEW AROSE OUT OF IT.
SO I’M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT

03:36:06.533,03:36:14.810
THE MAY 9th DATE.
I MIGHT POSSIBLY SUPPORT THE
11th, APRIL 18th DATE BECAUSE

03:36:14.812,03:36:20.476
AT LEAST THEN THAT PROVIDES AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH THIS
IN A RELATIVELY TIMELY FASHION

03:36:20.478,03:36:24.278
BUT I WILL HAVE TO DO SOME
CALCULATIONS HERE TO DETERMINE
WHETHER OR NOT I WILL SUPPORT

03:36:24.280,03:36:28.915
THAT AMENDMENT AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE ON THE

03:36:28.917,03:36:35.222
AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT?
ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> YOUR WORSHIP I HAVE NO

03:36:35.224,03:36:38.956
DIFFICULTY WITH MAY THE 9th.
I STARTED OUT THIS
CONVERSATION WITH SAYING TWO

03:36:38.958,03:36:42.933
WEEKS UNTIL THE NEXT ONE WHEN
YOU POINTED OUT QUITE
CORRECTLY THE NEXT COUNCIL

03:36:42.935,03:36:49.750
MEETING IS ACTUALLY A WEEK
AWAY.
THE END RESULT IS THE SAME.

03:36:49.752,03:36:53.646
WE PROVIDE PARTIES WITH AN
OPPORTUNITY AND AS Ms. SLOAN
POINTS OUT IF SOMETHING

03:36:53.648,03:37:02.255
DRASTICALLY NEW ARISES THEN WE
ARE —
OUR DUTY IS VERY CLEAR.

03:37:02.257,03:37:30.877
ALDERMAN,
>> OKAY.
WE ARE BACK.

03:37:30.879,03:37:39.992
AND WE HAVE A MICROPHONE ON.
ITEM 7.2.
VOTE CLOSURE AND LAND USE

03:37:39.994,03:37:48.731
REDESIGNATION.
>> I WAS JUST STARTING TO GET
INTO IT.

03:37:48.733,03:37:52.563
FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THE
BIG CHAIR.
>> YOUR WELCOME TO STAY.

03:37:52.565,03:37:59.696
ALL RIGHT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, YOUR
WORSHIP.

03:37:59.698,03:38:04.570
THIS ITEM IS FOR A ROAD
CLOSURE AND LAND USE
REDESIGNATION LOCATED IN THE

03:38:04.572,03:38:11.883
COMMUNITY OF CRESCENT HEIGHTS,
CONTAINING 0.24 ACRES OF LAND
ADJACENT TO 102 CRESCENT ROAD

03:38:11.885,03:38:16.584
NORTHWEST AND SHOWN ON THE MAP
AS THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED.
THE INTENT OF THE APPLICATION

03:38:16.586,03:38:24.642
IS TO CLOSE A PORTION OF THE
UNDEVELOPED ROADWAY INDICATED
AND REDESIGNATE IT TO RC 1

03:38:24.644,03:38:28.173
RESIDENTIAL DWELLING DISTRICT.
CORPORATE PROPERTIES IS
CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH

03:38:28.175,03:38:33.210
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OF
102 CRESCENT ROAD NORTHWEST
FOR A LAND EXCHANGE AND SALE

03:38:33.212,03:38:37.385
WHICH WOULD INVOLVE THE
EXCHANGE OF A NARROW STRIP ON
THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL

03:38:37.387,03:38:41.945
RUNNING NORTH/SOUTH REQUIRED
BY THE CITY FOR THE BYLAW SET
BACK REQUIREMENTS OF CENTER

03:38:41.947,03:38:47.511
STREET NORTH AND IN RETURN A
PORTION OF THE CLOSURE AREA
ALONG WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE

03:38:47.513,03:38:54.091
REMAINDER WOULD OCCUR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LARGE
YELLOW AREAS, THE AREA

03:38:54.093,03:39:08.849
INDICATED TO BE CLOSED, THE
EXCHANGE PORTION IS THE AREA
INDICATED THERE, AREA C.

03:39:08.851,03:39:14.756
GIVING UP A AND B AND GETTING
C, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> WE ARE GETTING —

03:39:14.758,03:39:19.421
DESIGNATING AREA B AND WE ARE
GETTING AREA C AS THE
REQUIREMENTS OF A ROAD

03:39:19.423,03:39:27.307
WIDENING.
>> OKAY.
>> YOU CAN SEE THE AREA JUST

03:39:27.309,03:39:33.008
IN THE ORANGE THAT IS THE AREA
OF THE PORTION OF THE ROAD
THAT IS ENCLOSED AND THERE IS

03:39:33.010,03:39:39.247
MORE DETAIL BUT YOU CAN SEE IT
IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE
ABUTTING PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AT

03:39:39.249,03:39:47.977
102 CRESCENT ROAD.
THAT’S THE ACTUAL AREA OF THE
CLOSURE IN BLACK.

03:39:47.979,03:39:52.316
NOW THAT’S THE HOUSE WHICH
WOULD BE THE BENEFICIARY OF
THE LAND.

03:39:52.318,03:39:55.746
THE LANDS ARE JUST OFF THE
SCREEN.
WE’LL HAVE ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH

03:39:55.748,03:40:08.473
OF THE SOUTH PORTION AND
THAT’S THE ACTUAL AREA
FORCLOSURE AS INDICATED ON THE

03:40:08.475,03:40:16.277
PHOTOGRAPH — FOR CLOSURE.
THERE IS A PATHWAY STAIRS THAT
GOES DOWN CONNECTS ON TO THE

03:40:16.279,03:40:23.802
PATHWAY, THAT IS ABUTTING THE
PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED CLOSURE AND

03:40:23.804,03:40:29.032
REDESIGNATED ROADWAY WOULD
SUBSEQUENTLY BE CONSOLIDATED
WITH THE LANDS AT 102 CRESCENT

03:40:29.034,03:40:34.665
ROAD NORTHWEST OF THE PROPOSED
LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE ABUTMENT AND PARCELS AS

03:40:34.667,03:40:40.195
SUCH.
PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDED ADOPTION AS WELL

03:40:40.197,03:40:45.663
AS THE REDESIGNATION FROM
UNDESIGNATED ROAD TO RC 1
DISTRICT IN ACCORDANCE WITH

03:40:45.665,03:40:53.239
THE RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO TO
GIVE THREE READINGS TO BYLAW 2
C 2011 AND 16 D 2011.

03:40:53.241,03:40:56.481
THAT CONCLUDES MY
PRESENTATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

03:40:56.483,03:41:00.544
YOU VERY MUCH.
QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION TO
ADMINISTRATION?

03:41:00.546,03:41:06.183
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
Mr. ORR, FROM LOOKING AT THE

03:41:06.185,03:41:12.779
MAP THAT I HAVE HERE, IT LOOKS
LIKE THERE IS FOUR PROPERTIES
THAT WOULD FORM PART OF WHAT

03:41:12.781,03:41:18.522
MIGHT ULTIMATELY BE THE
ULTIMATE ROAD WIDENING
REQUIREMENTS.

03:41:18.524,03:41:34.882
HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO 102?
>> IN THIS INSTANCE, IF YOU
LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE

03:41:34.884,03:41:40.692
THAT THE CLOSED PORTION THAT’S
BEING SURRENDERED IN THIS CASE,
THAT IS THE WHOLE PARAMETERS

03:41:40.694,03:41:45.728
OF THE PARCEL AT 102.
>> IF I LOOKED A LITTLE
FURTHER TO THE NORTH LOOKS

03:41:45.730,03:41:50.363
LIKE THERE IS STILL ANOTHER
PROPERTY THAT WE MAY HAVE TO
NEGOTIATE THOSE SAME SORT OF?

03:41:50.365,03:41:54.742
>> YES.
THAT OF COURSE IS INDEPENDENT
OF THIS APPLICATION.

03:41:54.744,03:41:58.982
>> AND ANYTHING IN THE WORKS
ON THAT?
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.

03:41:58.984,03:42:05.850
I’M UNAWARE OF ANYTHING GOING
ON THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
>> WHAT’S THE URGENCY OF

03:42:05.852,03:42:10.058
MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS RIGHT
NOW?
>> THE APPLICATION FOR THE

03:42:10.060,03:42:15.826
CLOSURE INITIATED BY THE OWNER
OF 102, AND THIS IS A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO OBTAIN

03:42:15.828,03:42:20.465
THE FUTURE SETBACK AT THIS
TIME.
AS THE LAND IS CONSIDERED TO

03:42:20.467,03:42:25.608
BE SURPLUS AND NOT REQUIRED BY
PARKS, IT IS A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN EXCHANGE

03:42:25.610,03:42:31.339
AT THIS TIME, SO WE HAVE SOME
SECUREMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
>> SO IT’S AN

03:42:31.341,03:42:35.433
OPPORTUNITY-BASIS TYPE OF
ENDEAVOUR THAT WE ARE
UNDERTAKING.

03:42:35.435,03:42:39.449
SO THEY ARE ACTING ON BEHALF
OF THE APPLICANT?
>> YES.

03:42:39.451,03:42:44.585
>> AND I BELIEVE Mr. WALLACE
IS ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANT AS WELL.

03:42:44.587,03:42:51.827
>> OKAY.
IT SAYS RELOCATION OF ANY
UTILITIES BE IT THE

03:42:51.829,03:42:54.932
APPLICANT’S EXPENSE.
IS THAT THE LANDOWNER OR TRONS
SURVEYS?

03:42:54.934,03:42:57.703
>> THAT WOULD BE THE
REQUIREMENT OF THE LANDOWNER.
>> THANK YOU.

03:42:57.705,03:43:00.339
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR
WORSHIP.
THANK YOU.

03:43:00.341,03:43:05.966
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN HODGES ON
CLARIFICATION?

03:43:05.968,03:43:10.735
>> YES.
THANKS YOUR WORSHIP.
I THINK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION

03:43:10.737,03:43:18.211
IS WHAT WAS THE RATIONAL FOR
PARKING THE RC 1 DESIGNATION?
>> THE RC 1 DES I GOATION IS

03:43:18.213,03:43:23.154
CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING
LAND USE AT THE DWELLING OF
102.

03:43:23.156,03:43:26.450
>> OBVIOUSLY.
SOMEONE PLAN TO BUILD A HOUSE
THERE.

03:43:26.452,03:43:30.946
>> IT’S FOR HIS YARD.
>> I’M PLAYING OUT HERE.
>> GOT YOU.

03:43:30.948,03:43:35.970
>> THERE IS A CONDITION ON THE
SALE AND AGREEMENT THAT THE
PARCEL BE CONSOLIDATED WITH

03:43:35.972,03:43:41.975
THE EXISTING TITLE SO THAT IF
ANY CONSIDERATION WOULD HAVE
TO BE DONE BY SEPARATE

03:43:41.977,03:43:44.276
DIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT
PERMIT.
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IS THE

03:43:44.278,03:43:49.816
INTENT IN THIS INSTANCE.
>> DO YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH?
I THINK YOU HAD ONE UP A

03:43:49.818,03:43:55.155
MINUTE AGO.
JUST SEE IT FOR A SECOND.
>> OF THE HOUSE.

03:43:55.157,03:44:00.861
>> YOU SHOWED THE PARCEL
ITSELF.
THAT’S THE SUBJECT OF THIS

03:44:00.863,03:44:26.116
APPLICATION.
AND WHAT’S BELOW THE PARCEL
WHERE IT SHOWS ALL THE

03:44:26.118,03:44:29.788
LANDSCAPING AND TREES AND
SHRUBBERY IS THE ESCARPMENT,
CORRECT?

03:44:29.790,03:44:33.460
>> YES.
THERE IS QUITE A STEEP GRADE
CHANGE JUST OFF THE PROPERTY

03:44:33.462,03:44:40.276
TO THE SOUTH.
>> SO THE IDEA IS SOLELY
CONSOLIDATION?

03:44:40.278,03:44:45.186
>> YES.
THAT IS WHAT’S BEING REQUESTED
HERE AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEING

03:44:45.188,03:44:53.187
CONDITIONED AS THE TERM OF
APPROVAL ON THE REDESIGNATION.
>> JUST AN RC-1 PARCEL.

03:44:53.189,03:45:00.893
>> WHILE WE ARE ON THAT TOPIC,
A QUICK QUESTION OF
CLARIFICATION.

03:45:00.895,03:45:05.590
I HAPPENED TO BE ON AS IS MY
HABIT I LIKE TO SEE SOME OF
THESE THINGS AND I HAPPENED TO

03:45:05.592,03:45:10.336
BE ON THIS PIECE OF LAND
YESTERDAY, AND I NOTICED THERE
WAS A SIGN THAT SAID OFF LEASH

03:45:10.338,03:45:17.803
DOG PARK, ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY
IT’S JUST A ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT PART

03:45:17.805,03:45:21.706
OF A DOG PARK OR OFF LEASH
AREA.
IT IS A ROAD —

03:45:21.708,03:45:26.749
>> LOOKED LIKE A REAL CITY
SIGN THOUGH.
>> RESPECTFULLY YOUR WORSHIP,

03:45:26.751,03:45:30.990
I WAS OUT THERE TOO, I DON’T
RECALL SEEING THAT.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN

03:45:30.992,03:45:33.526
INTERESTING SIGHT TO HAVE SEEN
IT.
I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING WHEN I

03:45:33.528,03:45:36.671
WAS OUT ON THE PROPERTY.
IT’S NOT INTENDED FOR AN OFF
LEASH AREA.

03:45:36.673,03:45:41.607
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR

03:45:41.609,03:46:14.175
OF THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR?

03:46:14.177,03:46:19.106
>> YOUR WORSHIP AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS CAMERON WALLACE AND

03:46:19.108,03:46:23.168
I REPRESENT JIM SHAW WHO IS
THE PURCHASER OF THE CITY’S
ROAD ALLOWANCE.

03:46:23.170,03:46:27.711
THE ROAD ALLOWANCE AREA WILL
BE CONSOLIDATED WITH
Mr. SHAW’S SINGLE FAMILY

03:46:27.713,03:46:32.914
PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO
THE ROAD ALLOWANCE AREA.
THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED USES

03:46:32.916,03:46:39.945
FOR THE ROAD ALLOWANCE.
NUMBER ONE IS THE COMMUNITY
PARK IN THE FRONT AREA NEXT TO

03:46:39.947,03:46:46.552
CRESCENT ROAD.
AND NUMBER TWO IS THE BACK
AREA TO BE RETAINED BY

03:46:46.554,03:46:52.094
Mr. SHAW AS AN EXPANDED SIDE
YARD THAT WILL BE ENHANCED BY
LANDSCAPING.

03:46:52.096,03:46:57.103
THERE WILL NEVER EVER BE
ANOTHER HABITABLE BUILDING ON
THIS ROAD ALLOWANCE AREA

03:46:57.105,03:47:02.472
BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK FROM
THE TOP OF SLOPE.
I MET WITH THE CRESCENT

03:47:02.474,03:47:10.342
HEIGHTS COMMUNITY ON NOVEMBER
THE 16th, 2010, AND ON JANUARY
THE 18th, 2011, I PERSONALLY

03:47:10.344,03:47:15.644
DELIVERED LETTERS TO 19
NEIGHBOURS TO ADVISE THEM OF
THIS PROPOSAL.

03:47:15.646,03:47:20.253
Mr. SHAW HAS PRESENTED THREE
LANDSCAPE OPTIONS TO THE
CRESCENT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY IN

03:47:20.255,03:47:25.494
ORDER TO SOLICIT THEIR
RESPONSES FROM THE COMMUNITY
AND THE NEIGHBOURS ON HOW THEY

03:47:25.496,03:47:33.071
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE VACANT
AREA LANDSCAPED, AND ALL THIS
IS AT NO COST TO THE CITY, TO

03:47:33.073,03:47:37.478
THE NEIGHBOURS, OR THE
COMMUNITY.
THE TWO CITY APPLICATIONS WERE

03:47:37.480,03:47:43.590
APPROVED UNANIMOUS NEWSLY BY
CALGARY COMMISSION ON DECEMBER
9, 2010.

03:47:43.592,03:47:48.258
ON FEBRUARY THE 7th THESE TWO
APPLICATIONS ARE TABLED BY
CITY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER

03:47:48.260,03:47:56.636
COMMUNITY CONSULTATION.
CRESCENT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY MET
ON MARCH 15th, 2015 —

03:47:56.638,03:48:01.603
I’M SORRY MARCH 15th, 2011 AND
RECONFIRMED THEIR SUPPORT OF
THIS PROJECT.

03:48:01.605,03:48:07.008
I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THIS
LAST MEETING ON MARCH THE 15th,
2011 BECAUSE I WAS AWAY ON

03:48:07.010,03:48:12.881
VACATION.
MY REQUEST IS FOR CITY COUNCIL
TO APPROVE BOTH APPLICATIONS

03:48:12.883,03:48:20.049
FOR THE ROAD CLOSURE AND THE
LAND USE RECLASSIFICATION TO
RESIDENTIAL BASED UPON FOUR

03:48:20.051,03:48:24.223
BENEFITS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CITY RECEIVES
FUNDS FOR THE UNUSEABLE ROAD

03:48:24.225,03:48:30.094
ALLOWANCE.
NUMBER TWO, THE CRESCENT
HEIGHTS COMMUNITY RECEIVES

03:48:30.096,03:48:34.036
LANDSCAPED COMMUNITY PARK
ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
NUMBER THREE IS Mr. SHAW IS

03:48:34.038,03:48:39.144
ABLE TO EXPAND HIS TIGHT SIDE
YARD AND CREATE A BACKYARD
WITH ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.

03:48:39.146,03:48:45.578
AND NUMBER FOUR, MY CLIENT IS
WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO
ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OF THE

03:48:45.580,03:48:50.588
McQUEUE BLUFF SLOPES BY
INSTALLING SOME NATURAL
VEGETATION TO IMPROVE ITS

03:48:50.590,03:48:56.197
APPEARANCE.
THE EXISTING McQUEUE BLUFF
AREA IS OUTSIDE BUT ADJACENT

03:48:56.199,03:49:01.729
TO THE SOUTHBOUNDRY OF THIS
ROAD ALLOWANCE.
ALL OF THESE BENEFITS HAVE NO

03:49:01.731,03:49:08.865
COST TO THE CITY, NEIGHBOURS
OR COMMUNITY.
NOW Mr. WARD DID PRESENT SOME

03:49:08.867,03:49:15.303
PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA, AND I
BELIEVE THERE IS A QUESTION ON
THE OFF LEASH DOG AREA, AND I

03:49:15.305,03:49:28.417
DO HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH WITH A
SIGN THAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU
MENTIONED, YOUR WORSHIP.

03:49:28.419,03:49:34.616
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OFF
LEASH DOG AREA IS IT’S SHOWN
GOING DOWN THE STEPS, I

03:49:34.618,03:49:39.215
BELIEVE THERE IS 31 STEPS
THERE, GOING DOWN TO THE
LINEAR PATHWAY THAT EXTENDS

03:49:39.217,03:49:44.724
FROM CENTER STREET STRAIGHT
ACROSS THE McCUE BLUFF AREA.
>> I SEE.

03:49:44.726,03:49:49.764
REFERRING TO SOMETHING DOWN
THE HILL.
THERE SHOULD BE AN ARROW ON IT

03:49:49.766,03:49:52.827
THEN, DARN IT.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.

03:49:52.829,03:49:56.797
I’M NOT CRAZY.
THERE REALLY IS SUCH A SIGN.
OKAY.

03:49:56.799,03:50:01.237
I STILL MAY BE CRAZY BUT NOT
ABOUT THE SIGN.
>> IN CONCLUSION, YOUR WORSHIP

03:50:01.239,03:50:07.616
AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WHEN
THE WIND CHANGES DIRECTION,
SOME PEOPLE BUILD WALLS AND

03:50:07.618,03:50:12.683
OTHER PEOPLE BUILD WINDMILLS
AND MY HOPE IS THAT THIS
PROJECT WILL BE A WINDMILL FOR

03:50:12.685,03:50:16.857
THE CRESCENT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF

03:50:16.859,03:50:21.733
MAKING A PRESENTATION TO
COUNCIL, AND I WILL LOOK
FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

03:50:21.735,03:50:27.730
>> THANKS, Mr. WALLACE.
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YES, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

03:50:27.732,03:50:33.934
NO DOUBT YOU SEEN THE LETTER,
E-MAIL REALLY THAT WAS SENT IN
BY Ms. JONES FROM THEIR

03:50:33.936,03:50:39.969
PLANNING COMMITTEE WITH REGARD
TO A CAVEAT.
TO ENSURE IT WILL REMAIN GREEN

03:50:39.971,03:50:43.410
SPACE.
DOES YOUR CLIENT INTEND TO DO
THAT?

03:50:43.412,03:50:49.688
>> MY CLIENT IS PREPARED TO
ACCEPT A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT
THAT WOULD PREVENT ANY

03:50:49.690,03:50:54.253
HABITABLE BUILDING FROM EVER
BEING BUILT THERE.
THE COMMITMENT IS TO MAINTAIN

03:50:54.255,03:50:59.031
GREEN SPACE.
THERE WILL BE A PORTION AT THE
FRONT THAT WILL BE COMMUNITY

03:50:59.033,03:51:04.469
GREEN SPACE AND THE PORTION AT
THE BACK WILL BE GREEN SPACE
THAT’S CONSOLIDATED WITH

03:51:04.471,03:51:11.442
Mr. SHAW’S PROPERTY.
NOW JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA
OF AREA, IT’S APPROXIMATELY

03:51:11.444,03:51:15.864
2500 TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET FOR
THE FRONT COMMUNITY PARK AND
ABOUT 10.000 SQUARE FEET AT

03:51:15.866,03:51:21.643
THE BACK.
>> THE BACK BEING MORE
ADJACENT TOWARDS THE CRESCENT

03:51:21.645,03:51:26.407
ROAD NORTHWEST ADDRESS?
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY READ 102

03:51:26.409,03:51:29.874
CRESCENT ROAD NORTHWEST.
THAT’S THE ADDRESS OF
Mr. SHAW’S PROPERTY.

03:51:29.876,03:51:33.578
>> THAT’S WHAT IS IN OUR
AGENDA HERE.
IS IT THEN —

03:51:33.580,03:51:38.248
IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED —
PART OF IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED
AS GREEN SPACE BUT NOT THE

03:51:38.250,03:51:42.290
PART CLOSEST TO HIS HOUSE, I
WOULDN’T THINK THAT WOULD BE
THE CASE?

03:51:42.292,03:51:47.066
>> Mr. SHAW WOULD MAINTAIN HIS
AREA, THE AREA THAT IS MORE
WHAT WE ARE CALLING MORE OF

03:51:47.068,03:51:54.207
THE A PRIVATE PARK SPACE AND
THE AREA AT FRONT WHICH HAS
NOT BEEN COMPLETELY DESIGNED.

03:51:54.209,03:51:59.075
WE PRESENTED THREE OPTIONS.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE
INPUT OF THE CITY PARKS

03:51:59.077,03:52:03.216
DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE
COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBOURS,
AND Mr. SHAW WOULD PAY FOR ALL

03:52:03.218,03:52:06.790
THE CAPITAL COSTS OF THAT PARK
CONSTRUCTION.
>> I FIGURED THAT OUT.

03:52:06.792,03:52:10.755
I’M GOOD WITH THAT.
VERY, VERY GOOD.
VERY GOOD GESTURE.

03:52:10.757,03:52:17.767
I’M JUST TRYING TO GET YOU TO
DEFINE WHAT THE RESTRICTIVE
COVENANT WOULD BE ABOUT WOULD

03:52:17.769,03:52:21.668
IT BE ABOUT THE PART THAT’S
PUBLIC.
>> I THINK WHAT Mr. ALDERMAN

03:52:21.670,03:52:26.337
HODGES IS ASKING WOULD THE
LANDOWNER BE INTERESTED IN
HAVING A COVENANT SAYING THE

03:52:26.339,03:52:30.707
PORTION THAT IS PUBLIC GREEN
SPACE WILL ALWAYS REMAIN
PUBLIC GREEN SPACE?

03:52:30.709,03:52:34.343
>> YES.
>> IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE
GETTING AT?

03:52:34.345,03:52:40.652
>> EXACTLY.
>> I THINK I NEED TO CLARIFY
ONE MORE THING, YOUR WORSHIP,

03:52:40.654,03:52:46.592
IS THE PORTION THAT Mr. SHAW
IS PURCHASING IS BEHIND THE
AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE

03:52:46.594,03:52:50.723
PUBLIC.
THERE IS AN AREA AROUND THE
FRONT THAT HAS A SMALL —

03:52:50.725,03:52:55.988
HAS A FIRE HYDRANT, THERE IS
ALSO A POLE THERE, AND THE
CITY OF CALGARY CORPORATE

03:52:55.990,03:52:59.657
PROPERTIES DID NOT WANT THAT
INCORPORATED INTO A PIECE OF
LAND THAT WAS SOLD TO A

03:52:59.659,03:53:02.794
PRIVATE OWNER.
>> THAT WILL REMAIN PUBLIC
LAND.

03:53:02.796,03:53:06.724
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
>> OKAY.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST FOR

03:53:06.726,03:53:10.598
FURTHER CLARIFICATION MAYBE
PUT A PENCIL OR PEN ON THE
VIEW GRAPH.

03:53:10.600,03:53:13.869
>> THIS IS A BIT CONFUSING.
>> SHOW THE EXACT PORTION WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT.

03:53:13.871,03:53:24.707
>> SHOW US WHAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
EVERYTHING FROM THERE TO THE

03:53:24.709,03:53:31.041
ROAD IS THE PUBLIC PIECE.
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
>> I SEE.

03:53:31.043,03:53:37.961
>> THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT YOU
MIGHT SAY OF THE DWELLING
THAT’S THERE NOW WOULD BE

03:53:37.963,03:53:41.529
PRIVATE OPEN SPACE I WOULD
THINK.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, EVERYTHING

03:53:41.531,03:53:49.368
FROM THE CORNER OF THE
SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE 102
CRESCENT ROAD, EVERYTHING BACK

03:53:49.370,03:53:54.444
OF THERE WHERE IT SHOWS THE
TREES, EVERYTHING BACK OF
THERE WOULD BE PRIVATE SPACE,

03:53:54.446,03:53:58.446
EVERYTHING WEST OF THERE WOULD
BE PUBLIC SPACE?
>> OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC SPACE

03:53:58.448,03:54:02.086
IS ADJACENT TO THE ROAD
ITSELF?
>> PARDON ME.

03:54:02.088,03:54:05.884
>> ADJACENT TO THE ROAD
ITSELF.
>> IT IS, YES.

03:54:05.886,03:54:09.688
>> I’M SORRY TO TAKE THE TIME
AWAY WHILE YOU ARE SPEAKING
BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO PUT

03:54:09.690,03:54:15.561
UP THE PHOTO THAT Mr. ORR HAD
SHOWN FACING EAST AND I THINK
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE

03:54:15.563,03:54:18.963
CLEAR.
OKAY.
ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

03:54:18.965,03:54:24.374
SO WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING IS
THAT FROM THE SIDEWALK THAT’S
THERE NOW WHICH IS AT THE TOP

03:54:24.376,03:54:30.522
OF THOSE STAIRS, BACK TO THE
CORNER OF THE HOUSE WOULD BE A
LITTLE HANG OUT SPACE, PUBLIC

03:54:30.524,03:54:35.305
SPACE AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS,
AND THEN IT WOULD BECOME
PRIVATE FROM THERE TO CENTER

03:54:35.307,03:54:39.007
STREET.
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
THAT’S THE AREA APPROXIMATELY

03:54:39.009,03:54:43.608
ABOUT 2500 AND 3,000 SQUARE
FEET DESIGNED FOR A PUBLIC
AREA FOR BENCHES, VIEWING AND

03:54:43.610,03:54:46.906
SO ON.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.
GREAT, THANK YOU.

03:54:46.908,03:54:51.008
IMPORTANT TO GET THIS ONE
RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A BIT
CONFUSING COMPARED TO WHAT WE

03:54:51.010,03:54:54.144
NORMALLY DO.
ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.

03:54:54.146,03:54:59.782
SO I HAVE A BETTER FROM THE
COMMUNITY PRESIDENT
Mr. McDERMOTT SAYING HELLO

03:54:59.784,03:55:04.356
CAMERON, HAD A MEETING LAST
EVENING AS SCHEDULED AND
MANDATED BY OUR POLICY AND THE

03:55:04.358,03:55:08.122
CRESCENT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION WILL RESTATE ITS
SUPPORT FOR THE CHANGE OF USE

03:55:08.124,03:55:13.292
AND DISPOSITION OF THE
CRESCENT ROAD UNDEDICATED ROAD
RIGHT-OF-WAY.

03:55:13.294,03:55:17.189
I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE
WORK.
IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL PROJECT

03:55:17.191,03:55:21.768
BUT I THINK IT HAD A LOT OF
MEANING TO THE COMMUNITY.
HOW WOULD THE RESTRICTIVE

03:55:21.770,03:55:28.037
COVENANT BE IMPLEMENTED?
WOULD THAT BE AT LAND
COMMITTEE WHEN WE —

03:55:28.039,03:55:41.243
Mr. WATSON?
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I MEAN
IT’S AT THE —

03:55:41.245,03:55:45.979
ASK TO HELP ME ON THIS, ON THE
LAND COMMITTEE ALREADY.
SITTING AT LAND COMMITTEE

03:55:45.981,03:55:50.814
PENDING WHAT COUNCIL DOES OR
DOESN’T DO.
COULD BE A CONDITION ON THE

03:55:50.816,03:55:56.182
SALE OF THE LAND THAT THAT
WOULD BE DONE, AND I BELIEVE
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER

03:55:56.184,03:56:03.317
WHEN THAT COMES THROUGH TO.
IT’S NOT REALLY PART OF —
>> THIS.

03:56:03.319,03:56:07.485
>> PLANNING ASPECT.
WONDERING COULD BE A MOTION
ARISING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

03:56:07.487,03:56:12.858
OKAY.
AND THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE
TO YOUR CLIENT?

03:56:12.860,03:56:18.639
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WE RECOGNIZE
THAT THERE IS SOME NERVOUSNESS
ON THE PART OF THE COMMUNITY

03:56:18.641,03:56:26.273
AND THE NEIGHBOURS THAT A
BUILDING COULD BE PUT ON THAT
APPROXIMATELY 66 FOOT BY 200

03:56:26.275,03:56:31.883
FOOT SITE, AND MY CLIENT
Mr. SHAW IS PREPARED TO ACCEPT
THAT RESTRICT THAT THERE WILL

03:56:31.885,03:56:35.448
NEVER BE A HABITABLE BUILDING
ON THAT SITE.
THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

03:56:35.450,03:56:39.953
>> IT’S A BIG BUILDING NOW AND
I THINK THEY WERE CONCERNED
THIS WAS JUST PURCHASED TO

03:56:39.955,03:56:46.102
EXPAND THE DWELLING.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.

03:56:46.104,03:56:53.143
>> WHISPERING IN MY EAR SUMP A
COVENANT COULD BE A CONDITION
ON CLOSING.

03:56:53.145,03:56:56.175
—
SUCH.
>> COULD ALSO BE A CONDITION

03:56:56.177,03:57:00.357
OF ROAD CLOSURE.
CONDITION OF THE PURCHASE AND
SALE OR CONDITION OF ROAD

03:57:00.359,03:57:04.622
CLOSURE OR BOTH.
>> THAT WOULD BE MADE HERE AT
COUNCIL NOT A MOTION ARISING.

03:57:04.624,03:57:09.620
>> IT COULD BE.
OR COUNCIL COULD JUST AS YOU
SUGGESTED DO A MOTION ARISING

03:57:09.622,03:57:16.832
REQUESTING THIS BE DONE
THROUGH LAND COMMITTEE.
>> WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT AT

03:57:16.834,03:57:20.568
THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
I FEEL LIKE I HAD ANOTHER
QUESTION FOR YOU BUT I FORGOT

03:57:20.570,03:57:25.820
WHAT IT WAS.
YOU PROBABLY ANSWERED IT
ALREADY.

03:57:25.822,03:57:29.023
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
TODAY.
>> THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP,

03:57:29.025,03:57:33.365
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
>> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK
IN FAVOUR OF THIS PROPOSAL?

03:57:33.367,03:57:38.997
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST?

03:57:38.999,03:57:53.839
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, MEMBER OF
COUNCIL, WAYNE GODDARD LIVED

03:57:53.841,03:58:02.688
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CRESCENT
HEIGHTS FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
3.25 DECADES FOR THE AMYTH MAT

03:58:02.690,03:58:07.132
CALI INCLINED.
DURING THOSE YEARS I HAVE COME
TO APPRECIATE THIS QUIETLY

03:58:07.134,03:58:12.400
DIFFERENT SPACE WITH ITS
UNIQUE VIEW NOT SHARED WITH
THE USUAL CRESCENT VIEWPOINT

03:58:12.402,03:58:17.206
MENTIONED IN THE MICHELIN
GUIDE THAT DRAWS TOUR BUSES
AND STRETCH LIMOS SEVERAL

03:58:17.208,03:58:21.971
BLOCKS TO THE WEST OF THIS
SPACE.
FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO NOTICING

03:58:21.973,03:58:25.982
IMPROVEMENTS, AND OVER TIME I
CONTACTED SEVERAL AGENCIES AND
INDIVIDUALS IN AN ATTEMPT TO

03:58:25.984,03:58:32.257
DISCOVER WHO IS MAKING CHANGES
TO PUBLIC PROPERTY.
WHAT I FIRST NOTICED IS THE

03:58:32.259,03:58:37.523
REMOVAL OF 150 FEET OF
SIDEWALK THAT RUNS ALONG JUST
TO THE SOUTH EDGE OF WHERE

03:58:37.525,03:58:42.291
THAT FENCE IS.
EVEN WENT TO THE EXTENT OF
STICKING A PROBE DOWN INTO THE

03:58:42.293,03:58:48.066
GRAVEL MAYBE SOMEONE WAS
PROTECTING A GOOD PIECE OF
CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

03:58:48.068,03:58:51.834
ALSO THE INSTALLATION OF CHAIN
LINK FENCING ACROSS THE EAST
END.

03:58:51.836,03:58:57.591
DUMPING AND COMPACTING OF A
GRAVEL MIX UP TO 32 INCHES
DEEP NEAR THE FENCE AT THE

03:58:57.593,03:59:04.556
EAST END.
PLANTING OF HEDGE MATERIALS.
ON THE UPPER LEFT WAS TAKEN

03:59:04.558,03:59:07.994
FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
PURPOSES.
IT WAS A FILM TEST BUT BY

03:59:07.996,03:59:16.470
CHANCE IT SHOWS THE END OF THE
SIDEWALK THAT USED TO BE THERE
AND THE RATHER STINK VIEW OFF

03:59:16.472,03:59:25.487
TO THE EAST WHICH NOW I THINK
WOULD SHOW YOU MAYBE WINTER
SUNRISE OVER THE EAST VILLAGE.

03:59:25.489,03:59:31.688
AND THEN WHEN I SAW THE NOTICE
OF THE PLANNED REDESIGNATION
THAT EXPLAINED MUCH OF WHAT MY

03:59:31.690,03:59:36.353
QUESTIONS HAD BEEN, THAT
SOMEBODY WANTED TO EXPAND INTO
THAT TERRITORY.

03:59:36.355,03:59:41.232
BUT THEN I HAD ANOTHER
QUESTION FROM THAT BECAUSE IF
THE REDESIGNATION STARTS FROM

03:59:41.234,03:59:46.005
A ROAD ALLOWANCE, NEW
STRUCTURE NORTH OF THE FENCE
LINE IS ONLY ABOUT FOUR FEET

03:59:46.007,03:59:50.738
FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
I UNDERSTAND HAD THERE BEEN AN
EXISTING ROAD ALLOWANCE THERE

03:59:50.740,03:59:56.001
THAT NEW STRUCTURE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN SET BACK A BIT FURTHER.
I THINK THERE PROBABLY WAS AN

03:59:56.003,04:00:00.771
INTENTION TO HAVE A ROAD.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO
AMALGAMATION WITH CALGARY AND

04:00:00.773,04:00:05.210
THE DROPPING OF CENTER STREET
INTO THE TRENCH SO IT COULD
CONTINUE ON TO THE CAUSEWAY

04:00:05.212,04:00:11.990
ACROSS THE PRESENT CENTER
STREET BRIDGE.
THAT CUT EXTINGUISHED ANY

04:00:11.992,04:00:16.419
POSSIBILITY OF CRESCENT ROAD
CONNECTING TO ANYTHING EAST OF
CENTRE A STREET.

04:00:16.421,04:00:22.256
90 YEARS OF PUBLIC ACCESS HAS
ESTABLISHED WHAT I HAVE SINCE
DISCOVERED IS A RECREATIONAL

04:00:22.258,04:00:28.033
EASEMENT AND ON TOP OF THAT
THERE IS RECOGNITION OF GREEN
SPACE BY SEVERAL CITY

04:00:28.035,04:00:30.867
AGENCIES.
THE MATERIALS I HAVE HERE ARE
COLLECTED FROM BEING ON THE

04:00:30.869,04:00:40.554
CRESCENT HEIGHTS ERP COMMITTEE
15 YEARS AGO AND ATTENDING
VARIOUS WORKSHOPS AND MEETINGS.

04:00:40.556,04:00:49.233
THIS IS A CITY OF CALGARY
PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOCUMENT
THAT SHOWS THAT GREEN SPACE.

04:00:49.235,04:00:58.644
ITEM NUMBER 7 WHICH ON ANOTHER
PAGE IN THAT IS DEFINED AS
PARKS CLASSIFICATION VISUAL

04:00:58.646,04:01:06.409
RELIEF/URBAN BUFFER AREA FOR
EMPHASIS REGIONAL.
AND ON ANOTHER PAGE IN THAT

04:01:06.411,04:01:12.448
ARP DOCUMENT IT NOTES THAT
CRESCENT HEIGHTS ARP COMMITTEE
WOULD NOT CONCERN ITSELF WITH

04:01:12.450,04:01:17.427
McCUE BLUFF.
BLUFF BEING TIED TO SUNNISIDE
ARP AND CITY COUNCIL HAD

04:01:17.429,04:01:22.402
ADOPTED McCUE BLUFF CONCEPT
PLAN WHICH IS TO GUIDE FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

04:01:22.404,04:01:27.466
AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM
SOMEWHERE IN THERE I HAVEN’T
MARKED.

04:01:27.468,04:01:49.415
McCUE BLUFF RESTORATION PLAN.
GREEN SPACE.
ADJACENT TO THE BLUFF.

04:01:49.417,04:01:57.923
AND MAP 1 RESTORATION PLAN
CROSSHATCHING IN THERE, SHOWS
IT AS PART OF McCUE BLUFF

04:01:57.925,04:02:04.028
PARKLAND.
SINCE PORTIONS OF THE
ESCARPMENT HAVE ALREADY BEEN

04:02:04.030,04:02:11.675
SOLD OFF THINKING OF 7th
STREET AND 9A STREET WEST AND
ON THE EAST SIDE 1st STREET

04:02:11.677,04:02:15.439
EAST ALL THE WAY TO EDMONTON
AUSTRALIA THESE ARE NOT
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE RECOVERED

04:02:15.441,04:02:21.169
WHEN IT’S GONE.
TREND APPEARS TO BE STEADY
DECLINE BOTH IN AREA AND

04:02:21.171,04:02:24.338
VARIETY OF INNER CITY GREEN
SPACE.
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO

04:02:24.340,04:02:32.205
RETAIN THIS UNIQUE SEGMENT AS
PUBLIC PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY
IMPORTANT IS THAT TO

04:02:32.207,04:02:37.779
APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE IN
THE VIEW YOU HAVE TO HAVE
ACCESS TO THE EXTENT OF THIS

04:02:37.781,04:02:42.113
LITTLE PATCH.
AND I MIGHT REMARK THAT I WAS
PRESIDENT —

04:02:42.115,04:02:49.918
PRESIDENT, SORRY, PRESIDENT OF
NOTHING.
PRESENT AT THE MARCH 15

04:02:49.920,04:02:56.589
PLANNING TRAFFIC SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING AT THE CRESCENT
HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION.

04:02:56.591,04:03:02.536
I REALIZE DON’T HAVE TO GIVE
REASONS FOR THEIR VOTES, BUT I
THINK IT WAS VERY INN

04:03:02.538,04:03:07.038
FORMATIVE OF THE REASONS GIVEN
FOR SELLING OFF THIS BIT OF
PROPERTY.

04:03:07.040,04:03:20.387
I REMINDED MYSELF WHEN I GOT
HOME OF THE MEANING
NON-SECULAR AND ADHONYMON.

04:03:20.389,04:03:28.295
I SINCERELY WILL DO NOTHING
FOR THE DRUG DEALING, PARTYING
LIMOS AND NOISY TOUR BUSES IN

04:03:28.297,04:03:34.075
THE 2 AND 300 BLOCKS TO THE
WEST OF HERE.
AND SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY

04:03:34.077,04:03:45.281
NOT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU YOUR
WORSHIP PARK SPACE AND
HOSPITALS EQUIVALENT.

04:03:45.283,04:03:48.291
OUR INNER CITY HOSPITALS HAVE
DISAPPEARED.
WE CAN’T GET THEM.

04:03:48.293,04:03:51.650
MAYBE WE CAN HANG ON TO GREEN
SPACE.
>> THANKS.

04:03:51.652,04:03:58.630
YOUR TIME’S UP.
I THINK THAT I HAVE A QUESTION
FOR YOU BUT ALDERMAN MAR ALSO

04:03:58.632,04:04:01.874
HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU.

04:04:01.876,04:04:08.941
Mr. GODDARD, IS IT.
>> GODDARD.
>> THANK YOU.

04:04:08.943,04:04:17.656
SO MY QUESTION IS GIVEN THAT
THIS IS FAIRLY SMALL BIT OF
LAND WHAT IN YOUR OPINION

04:04:17.658,04:04:21.960
SHOULD BE DONE WITH IT?
JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS?
>> NO.

04:04:21.962,04:04:28.495
IN ONE OF MY E-MAILS TO PARKS
I ASKED IS THERE SWAY TO FIND
OUT WHO VANDALIZED IT.

04:04:28.497,04:04:35.644
ASK THEM TO PUT IT BACK TO A
DECENT SENSE OF ACCESS AND
THERE WAS VEGETATION

04:04:35.646,04:04:40.050
STRUGGLING UNTENDED THERE.
IT WAS A COURSE GRASS AND
TREES THAT HUNG TOGETHER.

04:04:40.052,04:04:47.954
AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN
OVERLAID WITH GRAVEL, AND ALL
WEATHER SIDEWALK WHICH WAS

04:04:47.956,04:04:53.232
BETTER CLEARED THAN THE RED
SHELL PATH ALONG THE TOP OF
THE BLUFF WHICH TENDS TO

04:04:53.234,04:04:59.201
FREEZE-UP OR TURN INTO PUDDLES,
DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, THIS
DEEP PIECE OF CONCRETE WAS

04:04:59.203,04:05:07.409
ALWAYS WALKABLE AND ALTHOUGH I
DIDN’T CHECK THE DATE ON IT,
THE ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS CENTRE

04:05:07.411,04:05:13.607
A STREET HAS A MARKING OF 1945,
AND IF YOU GO A BLOCK FURTHER
WEST AND STILL WITHIN LINE OF

04:05:13.609,04:05:19.240
SIGHT OF THIS PROPERTY, A
SIDEWALK IS MARKED 1910.
GOOD OLD SIDEWALK THAT STAYED

04:05:19.242,04:05:24.344
THERE.
PEOPLE COULD WALK ALONG.
>> YOUR INTENTION OR WHAT YOU

04:05:24.346,04:05:27.817
BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE JUST A
LITTLE BIT OF A SIDEWALK WHERE
PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN AND

04:05:27.819,04:05:33.912
BASICALLY ENJOY THE VIEW.
>> ESPECIALLY THAT IT IS A
DIFFERENT VIEW AND I THINK

04:05:33.914,04:05:41.656
WHAT ACTUALLY PUT THE BRR
UNDER MY BLANKET THIS WAS A
BREACH DELIVERY OF SOMEONE

04:05:41.658,04:05:44.888
DOING MODIFICATIONS BEFORE
THEY HAD TITLE TO THE
PROPERTY.

04:05:44.890,04:05:48.895
>> OKAY.
>> WHETHER IT WAS THE PRESENT
OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER TRYING

04:05:48.897,04:05:53.602
TO MAKE UP FOR DEFICIENCIES OF
DESIGN IN THAT HUGE NEW
STRUCTURE —

04:05:53.604,04:05:56.407
>> I WILL HAVE SOME OF THOSE
QUESTIONS FOR OUR
ADMINISTRATION.

04:05:56.409,04:06:02.409
BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM
YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A RESIDENT
WHAT YOU WOULD ENVISION AND

04:06:02.411,04:06:05.585
YOU WOULD LIKE IT JUST TO BE
LEFT AS IT IS.
THANK YOU.

04:06:05.587,04:06:09.732
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN MAR.

04:06:09.734,04:06:20.264
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
BUT ALDERMAN LOWE FIRST.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

04:06:20.266,04:06:22.629
Ms. SLOAN, A BIT OF AN ODD
QUESTION.
THERE ARE OTHER JURISDICTIONS

04:06:22.631,04:06:29.268
IN BRITISH LAW WHERE A PATHWAY
IS USED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD
OF TIME ACROSS PUBLIC LANDS,

04:06:29.270,04:06:35.207
IT’S DEEMED TO BE A PATHWAY
AND NOT CLOSEABLE.
DO WE HAVE SUCH A LAW IN THIS

04:06:35.209,04:06:40.090
COUNTRY, AND DOES IT APPLY IN
THIS KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENT?
>> THAT’S THE COMMON-LAW THAT

04:06:40.092,04:06:46.878
APPLIES TO A ROAD AND THERE IS
A NUMBER OF REQUIREMENTS THAT
MUST BE SATISFIED BEFORE

04:06:46.880,04:06:51.212
PRIVATE LAND CAN ACTUALLY
BECOME —
BE CONVERTED INTO QUOTE A

04:06:51.214,04:06:54.481
PUBLIC ROAD.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WHAT
WE ARE DEALING WITH IS AN

04:06:54.483,04:06:57.618
ACTUAL ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY SO WE
ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS
OF CLOSING A ROAD.

04:06:57.620,04:07:08.059
SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I AM
NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN ABOUT IS
THE INTENTION OF THE LAND

04:07:08.061,04:07:11.534
DEAL.
BECAUSE I’M NOT PRIVY TO IT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE

04:07:11.536,04:07:15.707
AREA THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
THE ROAD CLOSURE WILL BE
TRANSFERRED ENTIRELY FOR

04:07:15.709,04:07:23.345
PRIVATE PURPOSES TO THE
ADJACENT OWNER AND SO THERE IS
NO ISSUE OF PUBLIC USE OF

04:07:23.347,04:07:26.012
PRIVATE LAND.
SO WE WOULDN’T HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT THAT.

04:07:26.014,04:07:27.983
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION.
>> IT DOES.

04:07:27.985,04:07:37.732
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN LOWE.
Mr. GODDARD, THAT CHAIN LINK

04:07:37.734,04:07:41.737
FENCE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING IN
THE PHOTOS, HOW LONG HAS THAT
BEEN UP THERE?

04:07:41.739,04:07:45.110
>> IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT
FIVE YEARS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: IS

04:07:45.112,04:07:49.647
THAT ROUGHLY WHEN THE HOUSE
WAS BUILT.
I DON’T HAVE MY TIME.

04:07:49.649,04:07:57.096
>> I DIDN’T MAKE ANY
PARTICULAR NOTES.
NOTICE THIS IS THE GRAVEL THAT

04:07:57.098,04:08:03.234
COVERED UP THE GRASS, THE SHOT
TO THE LEFT THAT I TOOK,
THAT’S ALMOST KNEE HIGH GRASS

04:08:03.236,04:08:06.833
THAT GREW THERE THAT IS NOW
COVERED UP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SEEMED

04:08:06.835,04:08:11.530
PRETTY FLAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING
AT IT.
Mr. WATSON, AM I CORRECT IN

04:08:11.532,04:08:17.029
SAYING THAT WHERE THAT CHAIN
LINK FENCE IS CURRENTLY IS
PUBLICLY OWNED LAND AND THERE

04:08:17.031,04:08:23.935
OUGHT NOT TO BE A PRIVATE
FENCE THERE?
>> I WAS ACTUALLY UP ON THE

04:08:23.937,04:08:30.841
SITE MYSELF A WHILE AGO AND I
BELIEVE THAT’S THE CASE, IT’S
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD

04:08:30.843,04:08:35.978
RIGHT-OF-WAY I BELIEVE.
THAT WAS PUT UP, I DON’T
BELIEVE IT WAS PUT UP BY

04:08:35.980,04:08:41.440
OURSELVES.
NOW, I DON’T KNOW WHO PUT IT
UP SO I SHOULDN’T BE SO

04:08:41.442,04:08:46.271
INCLUSIVE ABOUT IT.
BUT IT’S NOT —
IT’S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

04:08:46.273,04:08:54.520
>> MYSTERIOUS FENCE PUTTER
UPPER ELVES MAYBE.
YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

04:08:54.522,04:08:59.718
MIGHT BE THE DWARFS WHO PUT UP
FENCES.
ALDERMAN MAR?

04:08:59.720,04:09:06.637
SORRY, Mr. GODDARD, WE HAVE
BEEN AT THIS FOR AWHILE.
>> I SUSPECT THE ALIENS THAT

04:09:06.639,04:09:13.844
ABDUCTED THE SIDEWALK RETURNED
THE FENCE AND FOR THEM IT’S
THE SAME SORT OF THING.

04:09:13.846,04:09:20.111
>> ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE THEORY.
>> I THINK IT’S JUST AS VALID
AS SOME OF THE OTHER REASONS.

04:09:20.113,04:09:29.020
>> HE KNOWS TOO MUCH.
>> SOME GENTLEMEN IN BLACK
SUITS MAY NEED TO SEE YOU ON

04:09:29.022,04:09:33.989
THE WAY OUT TODAY.
>> MY CONCERN WHY SO MANY CITY
AGENCIES RECOGNIZE IT AS PARK,

04:09:33.991,04:09:39.729
WHEN IT WANTS TO BE
REDESIGNATED GOES BACK TO A
ROADWAY THAT HASN’T EXISTED

04:09:39.731,04:09:42.898
FOR 990 YEARS.
>> I HERE YOU —
HEAR YOU.

04:09:42.900,04:09:47.900
I THINK I READ THAT YOU WENT
TO WALK YOUR DOG UP THERE.
IS THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS

04:09:47.902,04:09:53.271
PIECE OF LAND OFF OF THE
DEAD-END OF CRESCENT ROAD, YOU
CAN’T COME AT IT FROM THE EAST

04:09:53.273,04:10:01.963
IN ANY WAY?
>> SLOPE GOES DOWN TO CENTER
STREET WOULD BE A DEATH TRIP

04:10:01.965,04:10:04.732
ON LOOSE GRAVEL.
GOING DOWN THROUGH THE TREES
IS NOT RECOMMENDED UNLESS YOU

04:10:04.734,04:10:08.604
HAVE GOOD INSURANCE ON YOUR
ANKLES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I WAS

04:10:08.606,04:10:14.374
JUST LOOKING AT TERRAIN MAP
AND THERE IS A TREED SECTION
ALONG CITY STREET.

04:10:14.376,04:10:20.542
LOOKS LIKE THAT’S COMPLETELY
IMPASSEABLE BY FOOT TO COME
DOWN TO THE NORTH.

04:10:20.544,04:10:23.775
>> IT CAN BE.
DOWN IS REASONABLE.
I HAVE A WHOLE STACK OF

04:10:23.777,04:10:27.993
PHOTOGRAPHS BUT I THINK YOU
UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
MY CONCERN IS AFTER THE GRAVEL

04:10:27.995,04:10:35.901
WENT ON, THE TREES DOWN TO THE
SOUTH OF THIS ALONG SIDE THE
PAVED PATHWAY CONTINUED DYING.

04:10:35.903,04:10:39.974
ONLY THE WILLOWS ARE STAYING A
BIT.
THE POPULARS ARE ALL DYING.

04:10:39.976,04:10:44.607
AND I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S A
WATER PROBLEM.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.

04:10:44.609,04:10:49.140
THANK YOU.
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

04:10:49.142,04:10:51.745
Mr. GODDARD.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
THANK YOU.

04:10:51.747,04:10:56.251
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK
AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN

04:10:56.253,04:10:59.519
OPPOSITION?
THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN IS
CLOSED.

04:10:59.521,04:11:11.833
AND WE’LL GO TO QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION.
ALDERMAN MAR?

04:11:11.835,04:11:17.607
>> IS THIS A PARK?
ROADWAY?
BIT OF SCRUB LAND?

04:11:17.609,04:11:24.143
ALIEN —
>> PERHAPS DWARFS OR ELVES.
ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE.

04:11:24.145,04:11:29.677
>> IT IS A ROAD.
IT FUNCTIONS WITH GRASS ON IT.
BUT OFFICIALLY IT IS A ROAD.

04:11:29.679,04:11:36.647
THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE
IS I STATED EARLIER OR NOT,
PARKS WAS CIRCULATED THIS

04:11:36.649,04:11:42.419
APPLICATION AND THEY STATED
THEY DID NOT WANT IT FURTHER
INVENTORY PURPOSES AND HAD NO

04:11:42.421,04:11:46.751
OBJECTION TO THIS BEING
REDESIGNATED FOR THE PURPOSES
OF PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL USE.

04:11:46.753,04:11:56.955
>> OKAY.
NOW THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER,
Mr. GODDARD, HAD A MAP WHICH

04:11:56.957,04:12:06.138
SUGGESTED AT ONE TIME IT WAS
PART OF PARKS AND IT WAS GOING
TO BE UTILIZED AS SOME KIND OF

04:12:06.140,04:12:10.968
PUBLIC AMENITY SPACE.
THAT’S NOT CORRECT.
THAT WAS THE PLAN AT ONE TIME

04:12:10.970,04:12:17.276
AND NO LONGER?
>> BECAUSE THIS WAS A
REDESIGNATION OF A ROADWAY, I

04:12:17.278,04:12:23.489
DON’T BELIEVE ANY FORMAL
CIRCULATION, NO ONE I DON’T
THINK HAD A REAL GOOD LOOK AT

04:12:23.491,04:12:28.059
THE ARP WHEN THIS WAS DONE.
THIS IS JUST A PORTION OF THE
ARP HERE.

04:12:28.061,04:12:41.067
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SITE,
IT JUST SHOWS FOR THE LAND USE
AS BEING FOR RESIDENTIAL

04:12:41.069,04:12:47.174
PURPOSES.
THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT IS
INCLUSIVE OR DEFINES IT AS

04:12:47.176,04:12:52.652
BEING FOR AN OPEN PARK AREA
AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL
DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE

04:12:52.654,04:12:58.225
ARP.
I’M SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC TO
WHAT THE RESIDENT IS SAYING,

04:12:58.227,04:13:06.565
BUT EVEN IF THAT WAS INDICATED
ON A MAP I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT
RELUCTANT TO PURSUE IT —

04:13:06.567,04:13:10.402
>> WAS THIS ADOPTED BY THE
CITY OF CALGARY EVER?
>> AS A PARK?

04:13:10.404,04:13:15.273
TO MY KNOWLEDGE NO.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A ROADWAY.
IT’S VERY COMMON IN THE CITY

04:13:15.275,04:13:20.717
TO HAVE PIECES OF LAND VERY
MUCH LIKE THIS THAT CAN BE
APPEAR QUITE GREEN AND QUITE

04:13:20.719,04:13:25.223
LUSH, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY
ROADS.
THEY ARE JUST NOT CURRENTLY

04:13:25.225,04:13:29.784
BEING USED AND THEY HAVE NEVER
BEEN FORMALLY CLOSED.
>> MASTER PARK, FOR EXAMPLE.

04:13:29.786,04:13:35.228
>> FAIR ENOUGH.
>> SO THE QUESTION HERE, I GET
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, THE

04:13:35.230,04:13:41.697
QUESTION HERE NOW THEN, IS WHO
HAS DONE THESE —
THE IMPROVEMENTS, REMOVING THE

04:13:41.699,04:13:45.097
SIDEWALK?
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA?
WAS THAT CITY OF CALGARY WHO

04:13:45.099,04:13:50.105
HAD DONE IT OR PARKS?
>> POSSIBLY THE SIDEWALKS,
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A GENERAL

04:13:50.107,04:13:52.977
MAINTENANCE ISSUE I WOULD
ASSUME BY ENGINEERING AND
ROADS.

04:13:52.979,04:14:00.714
BUT AS FOR THE FENCE, THAT I
COULDN’T MAKE EVEN AN
ASSUMPTION WHO PUT THE FENCE

04:14:00.716,04:14:07.563
UP.
ARGUABLY IT COULD BE A BUFFER
BETWEEN THE OFF LEASH AREA TO

04:14:07.565,04:14:11.441
THE SOUTH AND THE ACTUAL
ROADWAY.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHO PUT IT UP,

04:14:11.443,04:14:15.443
THAT INFORMATION I COULDN’T
TELL YOU.
>> OKAY.

04:14:15.445,04:14:19.197
THOSE ARE FAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARITY
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A

04:14:19.199,04:14:25.338
ROAD OR PARK AND YOU HAVE DONE
THAT FOR ME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

04:14:25.340,04:14:32.730
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.
WELL, I’M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO

04:14:32.732,04:14:39.075
Mr. GODDARD’S POSITION AND BUT
DESPITE THAT I’M GOING TO
LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY

04:14:39.077,04:14:44.844
ASSOCIATION ON THIS ONE.
THEY HAVE CONSULTED WIDELY AND
TALKED AT LENGTH WITH THE

04:14:44.846,04:14:53.117
APPLICANT ON WHAT COULD BE A
PUBLIC BENEFIT WHICH IS TO
IMPROVE THE PARK CONDITION ON

04:14:53.119,04:15:02.451
THE TOP OF THE STAIRWAY.
I DO HAVE TO SAY, THOUGH, I’M
ALWAYS DISAPPOINTED WHEN

04:15:02.453,04:15:07.655
CALGARIANS DECIDE THAT THEY
CAN TAKE OVER LAND AND PUT UP
FENCES WHEN IT’S NOT THEIRS.

04:15:07.657,04:15:16.823
SO THAT’S NOT IN ANY WAY TO
REWARD PAST BEHAVIOUR.
I THINK THAT THE BENEFITS TO

04:15:16.825,04:15:21.658
THE COMMUNITY ARE AN ENHANCED
PUBLIC SPACE AT THE TOP OF THE
STAIRWAY, WHICH IS A HEAVILY

04:15:21.660,04:15:27.902
USED STAIRWAY AND COMMUNITY
HAS GONE TO SOME LENGTH IN
ENSURING THAT THIS REMAINS IN

04:15:27.904,04:15:33.475
PUBLIC ACCESS, AND IS AN ASSET
TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD

04:15:33.477,04:15:42.125
A MOTION ARISING IF THIS IS
SUCCESSFUL THEN TO TALK ABOUT
A RESTRICTED COVENANT.

04:15:42.127,04:15:46.433
THANK YOU.
>> THANKS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

04:15:46.435,04:15:50.441
ADMINISTRATION?
ALL RIGHT.
VERY WELL THEN.

04:15:50.443,04:15:53.811
WE’LL MOVE TO DEBATE.
ALDERMAN FARRELL, DID YOU WANT
TO MOVE IT.

04:15:53.813,04:15:57.346
YOU DID.
I NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER.

04:15:57.348,04:16:01.770
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE GOT IT ON THE

04:16:01.772,04:16:07.482
TABLE.
ANY DEBATE ON THIS?
OH, C’MON.

04:16:07.484,04:16:26.814
ALDERMAN MacLEOD, CAN WE TRADE
PLACES PLEASE?
>> MAYOR NENSHI, WOULD YOU

04:16:26.816,04:16:36.720
LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> I FIND THIS —
I FIND THIS PARTICULAR

04:16:36.722,04:16:40.723
PROPOSAL PROBLEMATIC FOR A
NUMBER OF REASONS.
ON THE ONE HAND IT’S A SMALL

04:16:40.725,04:16:47.870
PIECE OF LAND, IT’S AN
UNDESIGNATED ROAD OF
RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE’LL NEVER

04:16:47.872,04:16:52.460
BUILD A ROAD ON, A LANDOWNER
THAT WOULD GAIN MORE PUBLIC
PERHAPS THE PUBLIC ARE GAINING,

04:16:52.462,04:16:57.131
PERHAPS IN THAT CASE NO REASON
TO VOTE FOR THIS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I’M NOT

04:16:57.133,04:17:01.902
SURE WHAT THE REASON TO VOTE
FOR IT IS.
BECAUSE AS Mr. GODDARD HAS

04:17:01.904,04:17:06.833
POINTED OUT FOR OVER 90 YEARS
THE PUBLIC HAS USED THIS AS A
PIECE OF GREEN SPACE.

04:17:06.835,04:17:12.412
A FUNNY LITTLE PIECE OF GREEN
SPACE THAT PERHAPS DOESN’T
SERVE A LOT OF PURPOSES BUT A

04:17:12.414,04:17:17.622
PIECE OF GREEN IN THE INNER
CITY.
AND I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE

04:17:17.624,04:17:26.366
OUGHT TO BE IN THE PRACTICE OF
GOING TO LANDOWNERS AND SAYING
YOU CAN TAKE AWAY PUBLIC GREEN

04:17:26.368,04:17:32.942
SPACE AS LONG AS YOU GIVE US A
FEW BENCHES IN RETURN.
AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT

04:17:32.944,04:17:37.081
CHALLENGING FOR ME.
I’M A BIG FAN OF REDEVELOPMENT
AS YOU ALL KNOW.

04:17:37.083,04:17:43.286
THIS IS NOT THAT.
THIS IS TRANSFERRING SOME
GREEN SPACE FROM KIND OF UGLY

04:17:43.288,04:17:47.026
PUBLIC GREEN SPACE TO
ATTRACTIVE PRIVATE GREEN SPACE
WITH A FEW BENCHES THROWN IN

04:17:47.028,04:17:51.559
FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO GIVEN THAT, I’M NOT
ENTIRELY CONVINCED WHY WE

04:17:51.561,04:17:59.949
OUGHT TO BE DOING THIS AND THE
QUESTION THAT I REALLY WOULD
HAVE IS DOES THIS LEAD TO A

04:17:59.951,04:18:03.749
SITUATION WHERE OTHER
LANDOWNERS ADJACENT TO LAND
WHICH NOTHING WILL BE BUILT

04:18:03.751,04:18:08.016
COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SAY SELL ME THAT LAND SO I
COULD HAVE A BIGGER BACKYARD

04:18:08.018,04:18:12.954
TO PRIVATIZE THE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN
A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT HAS A

04:18:12.956,04:18:17.898
VERY LARGE SCHOOL SITE
SURROUNDED BY HOMES, AND THERE
WILL NEVER BE A SCHOOL ON THAT

04:18:17.900,04:18:21.767
LAND.
GIVEN THAT IT’S NOT REALLY A
PARK COULD WE IMAGINE A WORLD

04:18:21.769,04:18:26.703
WHERE THE LANDOWNERS OF CORAL
SPRINGS WOULD SAY I WANT A
MUCH BIGGER BACKYARD AND YOU

04:18:26.705,04:18:32.682
SHOULD GIVE ME THAT SURPLUS
SCHOOL SITE FOR THAT PURPOSE?
I DON’T WANT TO SUGGEST THAT

04:18:32.684,04:18:35.714
WE ARE ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE
HERE.
THIS IS A SMALL PIECE OF LAND

04:18:35.716,04:18:41.849
IN A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION.
BUT DO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT
THAT I’M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH

04:18:41.851,04:18:47.990
THIS IN TERMS OF SENDING A
FUTURE MESSAGE BECAUSE I
REALLY DON’T SEE A VERY, VERY

04:18:47.992,04:18:59.726
GOOD REASON TO DO THIS.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR NENSHI.
ALDERMAN LOWE?

04:18:59.728,04:19:07.861
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
TO RESPOND TO YOUR WORSHIP,
THE COMMENT THAT THERE IS A

04:19:07.863,04:19:12.850
VERY GOOD REASON TO DO THIS.
THIS IS NOT PRECEDENT SETTING.
THERE IS A GOOD REASON TO DO

04:19:12.852,04:19:17.654
THIS.
THIS IS NOT PRECEDENT SETTING
THAT WE DO THIS ALMOST TO THE

04:19:17.656,04:19:25.454
MATTER OF COURSE OF REMNANT
PIECES OF LAND THAT ARE
REMOVED FROM CITY INVENTORY,

04:19:25.456,04:19:30.434
ATTACHED TO PRIVATE DWELLINGS
FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, NOT
THE LEAST OF WHICH IS PIECE OF

04:19:30.436,04:19:35.016
ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT CANNOT
FUNCTION AS A ROAD
RIGHT-OF-WAY, WILL NEVER

04:19:35.018,04:19:38.719
FUNCTION AS A ROAD
RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THERE IS A
BENEFIT TO CALGARIANS, RATHER

04:19:38.721,04:19:43.551
THAN GETTING A PIECE OF SCRUFF
LAND WHICH PARKS DON’T WANT TO
MAINTAIN, AND ROADS DOESN’T

04:19:43.553,04:19:49.090
WANT TO MAINTAIN, WE ARE GOING
TO GET, AS YOU SUGGEST, I’M
GOING TO PUT A DIFFERENT SPIN

04:19:49.092,04:19:53.492
ON IT, GET A PIECE OF LAND
WITH VIEWING BENCHES AND SOME
ENHANCED MAINTENANCE WHICH IS

04:19:53.494,04:19:58.833
A BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY
AND TO THE CITY OF CALGARY.
SO FOR THAT REASON ALONE, I

04:19:58.835,04:20:03.274
WILL SUPPORT IT.
YOU MENTIONED SCHOOL SITES.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

04:20:03.276,04:20:08.139
DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
BIGGER PIECES OF LAND.
IMMENSE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE

04:20:08.141,04:20:13.747
CITY IF THOSE PIECES OF LAND
BECOME AVAILABLE.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS YOUR

04:20:13.749,04:20:16.090
WORSHIP, I WILL SUPPORT THIS
AND I WILL ASK YOU TO SUPPORT
IT.

04:20:16.092,04:20:25.802
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN LOWE.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?

04:20:25.804,04:20:32.811
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS
APPLICATION FOR THE SAME

04:20:32.813,04:20:37.794
REASONS ALDERMAN LOWE STATED
AS WELL AS FOR THE POTENTIAL
OF ACTUALLY SAVING ON

04:20:37.796,04:20:42.825
OPERATIONAL COSTS SHOULD WE
DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS AND THEN MOVE

04:20:42.827,04:20:47.321
FORWARD ON INCREASED
MAINTENANCE FOR THESE LANDS,
ULTIMATELY THE RESPONSIBILITY

04:20:47.323,04:20:52.254
WOULD BE OURS, THE COSTS WOULD
BE BORNE BY THE CITY AND
FURTHERMORE, OPPORTUNITY TO

04:20:52.256,04:20:58.023
ACQUIRE ROAD WIDENING, ROAD
RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT HAS
OBVIOUSLY BEEN IDENTIFIED BY

04:20:58.025,04:21:04.164
THE ROADS DEPARTMENT AS A
FUTURE NEED, AND SO THERE IS
SOME LOSS OF LANDS FROM THE

04:21:04.166,04:21:08.936
ADJACENT OWNER TO ACCOMMODATE
FUTURE NEEDS FOR THE CITY,
FUTURE MUNICIPAL PURPOSES, AND

04:21:08.938,04:21:13.267
REDUCED COSTS.
AND WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE
PAST ON AN OPPORTUNITY BASIS,

04:21:13.269,04:21:20.471
AND I THINK THIS IS A WIN/WIN
SITUATION.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN CHABOT.

04:21:20.473,04:21:24.708
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YES, THANK YOU, YOUR
WORSHIP.

04:21:24.710,04:21:29.382
I APPRECIATE MAYOR NENSHI
LEAVING THE CHAIR TO DEBATE
THIS BECAUSE HE SAID EXACTLY

04:21:29.384,04:21:34.420
WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THE TROUBLE WITH THIS REPORT
IS THERE IS NO RATIONAL FOR

04:21:34.422,04:21:40.621
THIS METHOD OF DISPOSITION.
THE NORMAL PROCESS AS I’M
AWARE OF IT OVER THE YEARS,

04:21:40.623,04:21:47.897
AND I HAVEN’T SEEN ANYTHING IN
THIS REPORT THAT WOULD SUGGEST
OTHERWISE, WHY IT’S NOT BEING

04:21:47.899,04:21:53.768
OFFERED AS A LANDSCAPE LEASE.
THE CITY HAS OFFERED MANY
VACANT PARCELS EITHER

04:21:53.770,04:21:59.265
RESIDENTIAL OR UNDEVELOPED
ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AS LANDSCAPE
LEASES FOR FIVE, TEN OR 15

04:21:59.267,04:22:11.137
YEARS, AND YES, THERE IS A
PAYMENT TO THE CITY BY THE
PERSON LEASING TO HAVE A

04:22:11.139,04:22:16.744
LANDSCAPE LEASE THAT HE OR SHE
CAN CONTROL AND WHICH THE
NEIGHBOURS DON’T THINK IS A

04:22:16.746,04:22:21.443
PLACE TO PARK SURPLUS
VEHICLES.
SO THAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT

04:22:21.445,04:22:26.124
WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING TO
BE DISCUSSED IN THIS AND DEALT
WITH IN THIS REPORT.

04:22:26.126,04:22:35.066
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A POLICY
CHANGE WITHOUT ANY RATIONAL
FOR WHY THE DE CTO POLICY

04:22:35.068,04:22:38.340
CHANGE.
TIP OFF IS THE DESIGNATION OF
RC-1.

04:22:38.342,04:22:44.444
THAT ISN’T, I THINK, A
STANDARD OR SHOULDN’T BE A
STANDARD PRACTICE EITHER.

04:22:44.446,04:22:49.053
I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF
OTHER DESIGNATIONS FOR IT, BUT
THAT’S NOT WHAT’S BEFORE US.

04:22:49.055,04:22:53.882
SO I THINK IF IT WAS A
LANDSCAPE LEASE I WOULDN’T
HAVE A PROBLEM.

04:22:53.884,04:22:58.382
AND THERE IS ALWAYS A FINITE
TIME ON A LANDSCAPE LEASE BUT
THAT’S NOT THE CASE HERE.

04:22:58.384,04:23:03.600
THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT
DISPOSITION WHICH I PRESUME
WOULD BE A LAND COMMITTEE ONE

04:23:03.602,04:23:14.815
DAY HERE SOON HOPEFULLY.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN HODGES.
ALDERMAN FARRELL?

04:23:14.817,04:23:19.915
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
I APPRECIATE THE DEBATE ON

04:23:19.917,04:23:24.710
THIS.
I AGREE WITH ALDERMAN LOWE,
THAT I DON’T THINK THIS IS

04:23:24.712,04:23:34.332
PRECEDENT SETTING.
AND ALONG THOSE LINES, I JUST
WANT TO SORT OF RIFF ON THE

04:23:34.334,04:23:37.938
DISCUSSION THAT HIS WORSHIP
BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF WHAT’S
HAPPENING HERE.

04:23:37.940,04:23:42.448
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE
HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IN
THE INNER CITY THAT WE SHOULD

04:23:42.450,04:23:48.882
FOCUS ON INTENSIFYING AND THAT
MIGHT INVOLVE FINDING SMALL
DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN

04:23:48.884,04:23:53.281
ORDER TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY
OF THE REST OF THE SPACE.
AND I REALIZE THAT THIS ISN’T

04:23:53.283,04:23:59.010
SORT OF THE SAME DEBATE.
BUT I DO THINK IT DOESN’T
REALLY APPLY TO PERHAPS THE

04:23:59.012,04:24:03.813
SAME EXTENT THAT THE SCHOOLS
ZONE IN CORAL SPRINGS DOES.
I DON’T THINK THAT WE SHOULD

04:24:03.815,04:24:09.916
BE FIXATED ON QUANTITY.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE A LOT
MORE FIXATED ON QUALITY.

04:24:09.918,04:24:14.556
AND I THINK THAT’S A RECURRING
THEME FROM THE LAST ISSUE THAT
WE TALKED ABOUT.

04:24:14.558,04:24:19.616
SO I’M PREPARED TO SUPPORT
THIS AND I HOPE THAT THE
PUBLIC SPACE THAT’S CARVED OUT

04:24:19.618,04:24:23.852
AT THE TOP OF THE HILLSIDE IS
A SPECTACULAR LITTLE JEWEL OF
A SPACE.

04:24:23.854,04:24:30.528
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN FARRELL TO CLOSE.

04:24:30.530,04:24:33.431
>> THANK YOU.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT I STRUGGLED
WITH THIS ONE WHEN I WAS FIRST

04:24:33.433,04:24:39.335
APPROACHED WITH THE IDEA.
AND MY INITIAL INCLINATION
WOULD HAVE NOT —

04:24:39.337,04:24:42.971
WOULD HAVE BEEN TO NOT SUPPORT
IT.
BUT THE COMMUNITY WORKED WITH

04:24:42.973,04:24:53.285
THE APPLICANT CLOSELY AND THEY
SEE A VALUE IN IT.
SO I FELT OBLIGATED TO SUPPORT

04:24:53.287,04:24:58.726
THEM BECAUSE OF THAT WORK THAT
THEY HAVE DONE.
I WAS VERY, VERY MUCH INVOLVED

04:24:58.728,04:25:05.624
IN THE McHUGH BLUFF MASTER
PLAN AS VOLUNTEER FOR
HILLHURST SUNNISIDE.

04:25:05.626,04:25:13.338
AND THAT HAS BEEN AN UNFUNDED
PLAN FOR MANY DECADES.
MANY THE MEANTIME THIS AREA

04:25:13.340,04:25:17.169
DETERIORATES SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THE CITY SELLS RESIDUAL
PROPERTIES THAT MAY APPEAR

04:25:17.171,04:25:22.171
LIKE GREEN SPACE, BUT ARE NOT
GREEN SPACE AND WE SELL THEM
ALL THE TIME, AND THAT’S TO

04:25:22.173,04:25:28.986
HELP US PAY FOR THE MANY
THINGS THAT WE NEED THAT
FUNDING FOR.

04:25:28.988,04:25:38.927
IS IT FUND 69 AND IT’S FOR
FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS OR OTHER
MUNICIPAL PROJECTS THAT

04:25:38.929,04:25:44.412
REQUIRE A CONSTANT INFLUX OF
DOLLARS.
SO THAT’S WHY WE ARE SEEKING

04:25:44.414,04:25:53.143
OUT UNDESIGNATED ROAD OF
RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND THINGS THAT
ARE NOT PARK DESIGNATED SPACES

04:25:53.145,04:26:00.620
TO FUND OTHER NEEDS.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY
COUNCIL FEELS A BIT VAGUE

04:26:00.622,04:26:04.259
ABOUT THIS ONE.
IN A WAY I DO TOO BUT I WILL
SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE

04:26:04.261,04:26:07.763
I THINK THEY PUT A HUGE AMOUNT
OF WORK INTO IT.
THANK YOU.

04:26:07.765,04:26:13.044
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN
FARRELL.
ON THE —

04:26:13.046,04:26:16.986
THERE IS NOBODY ELSE TO SPEAK.
SO ON THE RECOMMENDATION ARE
WE AGREED?

04:26:16.988,04:26:45.773
OPPOSED?
TWO OPPOSED.
>> BEAR WITH ME.

04:26:45.775,04:26:56.149
ON THE DLAU TO THE PROPOSED
CLOSURE, ROAD CLOSURE 2 C
20011 ON FIRST READING ARE WE

04:26:56.151,04:27:07.790
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

04:27:07.792,04:27:12.189
ON SECOND READING ARE WE
AGREED?
OPPOSED?

04:27:12.191,04:27:17.759
SAME DIVISION.
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD
READING, ARE WE AGREED?

04:27:17.761,04:27:23.004
OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
AND THIRD READING, ARE WE

04:27:23.006,04:27:30.608
AGREED?
OPPOSED?
SAME DIVISION.

04:27:30.610,04:27:42.885
CARRIED.
ON THE LAND USE TO GIVE THREE
READINGS TO THE BYLAW 16 D,

04:27:42.887,04:27:48.853
2011 FIRST READING, ARE WE
AGREED?
OPPOSED?

04:27:48.855,04:27:52.748
MAYOR NENSHI AND ALDERMAN
HODGES.
CARRIED.

04:27:52.750,04:28:09.745
SECOND READING, ARE WE AGREED?
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
>> APPARENTLY NOT.

04:28:09.747,04:28:21.329
>> AFTER THE FIRST READING,
YOU CAN’T ASK —
YOU CAN’T DO AN AMENDMENT.

04:28:21.331,04:28:26.330
>> I WILL ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK
IF YOU TELL ME WHAT IT IS YOU
WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT BEFORE YOU

04:28:26.332,04:28:36.792
DO.
>> I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY
FOR MY LACK OF MANNERS.

04:28:36.794,04:28:40.273
SKILL.
OKAY.
MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT JUMPING

04:28:40.275,04:28:45.448
UP RIGHT AFTER FIRST READING.
BEAR WITH ME.
ONLY QUESTION THE RC-1, CAN WE

04:28:45.450,04:28:52.953
DO SOMETHING TO ALLOW
SECONDARY SUITE TO EVOLVE
THERE IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME.

04:28:52.955,04:28:58.295
R 1 F.
WHY CAN I NOT DO THAT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP THAT WOULD BE

04:28:58.297,04:29:03.335
AN ADDITIONAL USE ADDED TO THE
LAND USE AND REQUIRES
READVERTISEMENT AND ANOTHER

04:29:03.337,04:29:09.273
PUBLIC HEARING.
>> IT’S NOT THE WHOLE THING.
CAN I DO AN AMENDMENT

04:29:09.275,04:29:14.016
REQUESTING THAT THEY DO THAT
AS WHEN THEY DO THE
CONSOLIDATION?

04:29:14.018,04:29:18.223
>> THAT WOULD BE A MOTION
ARISING.
>> THAT WOULD BE A MOTION

04:29:18.225,04:29:21.089
ARISING.
OKAY.
I WILL TAKE THAT UNDER

04:29:21.091,04:29:26.264
ADVISEMENT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ON SECOND READING, ARE WE

04:29:26.266,04:29:32.495
AGREED?
OPPOSED?
SAME DIVISION.

04:29:32.497,04:29:38.379
ON AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD
READING, ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?

04:29:38.381,04:29:43.005
AND THIRD READING, ARE WE
AGREED?
OPPOSED?

04:29:43.007,04:29:48.240
SAME DIVISION.
NOW CAN MAYOR TAKE —
NO.

04:29:48.242,04:29:53.076
YOU HAVE TO STAY.
IT’S NICE CHAIR.
IT’S SMALL.

04:29:53.078,04:29:58.253
THERE IS A FOOTSTOOL THERE,
TOO.
OKAY.

04:29:58.255,04:30:02.559
MOTION ARISING.
ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.

04:30:02.561,04:30:06.422
SO Ms. SLOAN, HOW WOULD I WORD
THAT?
IT WOULD BE AT LAND COMMITTEE,

04:30:06.424,04:30:18.921
WOULD IT NOT, THAT REQUESTS
THAT COUNCIL DIRECT THE
ADMINISTRATION TO IMPOSE A

04:30:18.923,04:30:21.122
COVENANT?
>> YES.
AS A CONDITION OF THE PURCHASE

04:30:21.124,04:30:28.588
AND SALE AGREEMENT OR THE LAND
EXCHANGE, THAT A RESTRICTIVE
COVENANT BE REGISTERED ON

04:30:28.590,04:30:35.637
TITLE TO THE CLOSURE PORTION
PRIOR TO THE TRANSFER.
AND WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU

04:30:35.639,04:30:41.142
WANT IT TO RESTRICT.
ANY DEVELOPMENT BEYOND
LANDSCAPING OR I HEARD EARLIER

04:30:41.144,04:30:44.509
THAT THEY WERE PREPARED TO
ACCEPT A RESTRICTION OF NO
HABITABLE BUILDINGS.

04:30:44.511,04:30:48.909
DID YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THAT
GENERAL OR DO YOU WANT TO BE
VERY SPECIFIC THAT ONLY

04:30:48.911,04:30:53.314
LANDSCAPING IS ALLOWED.
>> I THINK THE INTENT FROM
WHAT I HEARD IT WOULD BE ONLY

04:30:53.316,04:30:57.216
LANDSCAPING.
SO, YES.
>> YES.

04:30:57.218,04:31:03.095
THEN I WOULD SUGGEST MOTION
ARISING THAT DIRECTION BE
GIVEN TO LAND COMMITTEE.

04:31:03.097,04:31:32.189
>> MIGHT NEED A MINUTE TO
WRITE THAT ONE OUT.
>> OKAY.

04:31:32.191,04:31:38.359
ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I’M QUITE
PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION

04:31:38.361,04:31:40.726
ARISING.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT
THOUGH THAT I THINK IN

04:31:40.728,04:31:49.006
SUPPORTING THAT, WE NEGATE ANY
ATTEMPT TO HAVE A SECONDARY
SUITE IN ANYTHING EXCEPT THE

04:31:49.008,04:31:55.543
PRIMARY BUILDING.
BECAUSE THE VOTE WE ARE DOING
IS SAYING NO INHABITABLE

04:31:55.545,04:32:00.247
CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PIECE OF
LAND, IF I UNDERSTAND IT OR
RESTRICT IT TO LANDSCAPING,

04:32:00.249,04:32:06.089
HOWEVER WE PHRASE IT.
THE NEXT ONE ABOUT THE SECOND
SUITE COULD HAVE TO BE

04:32:06.091,04:32:11.527
CAREFULLY WORDED, IF I
UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, YOUR
WORSHIP.

04:32:11.529,04:32:18.412
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT,
ALDERMAN LOWE.
ALDERMAN CARRA, ARE YOU GOING

04:32:18.414,04:32:22.686
WITH THE NEXT MOTION OR ARE
YOU SPEAKING TO THIS ONE?
>> MY QUESTION WAS SORT OF IN

04:32:22.688,04:32:26.956
THAT REGARD.
I THINK IT’S INTERESTING WE
HAVE REACHED THIS POINT.

04:32:26.958,04:32:38.001
I THINK THIS IS A PRIME
CANDIDATE FOR A LARGE PROPERTY
THAT COULD USE A SECONDARY

04:32:38.003,04:32:42.297
SUITE AND I WOULD JUST BE VERY
INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY WE
DIDN’T SORT OF PURSUE THAT AS

04:32:42.299,04:32:48.667
PART OF THIS EXPANSION OF A
BIG RC-1 PROPERTY THAT’S
LITERALLY THREE MINUTE WALK

04:32:48.669,04:32:54.815
FROM THE DOWNTOWN.
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT
Mr. SHAW MIGHT NOT BE DESIROUS

04:32:54.817,04:33:01.082
OF HAVING A SECONDARY SUITE IN
HIS HOME, BUT THERE IS
POSSIBLY THAT FUTURE OWNERS

04:33:01.084,04:33:04.918
MAY COME AND GO, AND IT JUST
SEEMS TO ME LIKE A PERFECT
PLACE TO HAVE THAT

04:33:04.920,04:33:14.523
FLEXIBILITY.
SO I GUESS THAT’S A QUESTION.
I GUESS I WILL WORD IT AS A

04:33:14.525,04:33:17.994
QUESTION.
WHY WAS THAT NOT DISCUSSED AS
THIS CAME THROUGH?

04:33:17.996,04:33:24.134
>> OKAY.
I ACTUALLY AM UNCERTAIN IF
THAT’S REALLY PART OF WHAT

04:33:24.136,04:33:29.693
THIS MOTION IS ABOUT BUT I
WILL DEFER IT TO SEE IF WE CAN
GET AN ANSWER.

04:33:29.695,04:33:36.834
>> THE RC-1 DOES NOT ALLOW
SECONDARY SUITES, AND THIS
WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH AS A

04:33:36.836,04:33:39.402
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SOMETIME
AGO.
I’M NOT SURE WHEN IT WAS

04:33:39.404,04:33:46.977
ACTUALLY —
Mr. GODDARD POINTED OUT TWO OR
THREE YEARS AGO, WE WEREN’T

04:33:46.979,04:33:50.479
HAVING THOSE KIND OF
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SECONDARY
SUITES AT ANYWHERE NEAR THE

04:33:50.481,04:33:56.284
KIND OF VOLUME WE ARE TODAY.
SO IT SIMPLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR THAT

04:33:56.286,04:34:02.056
WAS AN OLDER HOUSE ON THE LAND,
THE LAND, IT BURNED DOWN,
VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY,

04:34:02.058,04:34:06.326
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, BUILDING
PERMIT, WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ANY
DISCUSSION ABOUT SECONDARY

04:34:06.328,04:34:10.202
SUITE.
WE DON’T DISCUSS SECONDARY
SUITE EVERY TIME THERE IS A

04:34:10.204,04:34:15.699
PARCEL THAT COMES THROUGH FOR
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR A
BUILDING PERMIT.

04:34:15.701,04:34:21.469
>> SO I GUESS MY QUESTION
WOULD BE —
SO I GUESS THE ATTEMPT IS TO

04:34:21.471,04:34:26.447
SORT OF CONNECT THIS, EXACT
SAME LAND USE AS THE HOST
PROPERTY AND THEN DO THE

04:34:26.449,04:34:30.956
CONSOLIDATION AND THERE IS NO
REAL MECHANISM WE HAVE AT OUR
DISPOSAL TO CONSIDER PUTTING

04:34:30.958,04:34:47.692
AN S DESIGNATION ON THE END?
>> AS ALDERMAN LOWE POINTED
OUT WITH THE MOTION OF RISING

04:34:47.694,04:34:51.705
COMING THAT WILL RESTRICT THAT
TO GREEN.
CAN’T PUT ANY BUILDING ON

04:34:51.707,04:34:54.141
THAT.
THE OTHER PARCEL IS NOT BEFORE
YOU TODAY.

04:34:54.143,04:35:00.708
THE HOUSE THAT IS ADJACENT TO
IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS
APPLICATION.

04:35:00.710,04:35:06.455
IN FACT, I DON’T THINK YOU CAN
REALLY EVEN MAKE A MOTION
REGARDING IT.

04:35:06.457,04:35:08.692
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANKS.
>> MY OPINION.

04:35:08.694,04:35:14.870
>> I’M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST
PUTTING THAT THOUGHT BUBBLE
OUT THERE THAN I THINK

04:35:14.872,04:35:29.279
ACTUALLY PURSUING THIS.
>> Mr. WALLACE CAN CERTAINLY
TAKE THAT MESSAGE BACK.

04:35:29.281,04:35:34.548
>> OKAY, SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON
TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, DO YOU
HAVE THE MOTION.

04:35:34.550,04:35:37.956
>> LAND COMMITTEE BE DIRECT
TODAY REQUIRE THAT A
RESTRICTED COVENANT BE

04:35:37.958,04:35:42.766
REGISTERED ON TITLE TO THE
ROAD CLOSURE AREA PRIOR TO
TRANSFER OF TITLE PROHIBITING

04:35:42.768,04:35:47.041
THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY PORTION
OF THE CLOSURE AREA WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF LANDSCAPING.

04:35:47.043,04:35:52.623
THE RESTRICTED COVENANT WOULD
BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
ADJACENT CITY OWNED PARCEL AND

04:35:52.625,04:35:58.197
ROAD.
>> THANK YOU.
AND WE HAVE ALDERMAN PINCOTT

04:35:58.199,04:36:07.635
SECONDING.
AND I SEE ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

04:36:07.637,04:36:12.139
NO THOUGHT BUBBLES FROM THIS
SIDE HERE.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR

04:36:12.141,04:36:19.007
AS WHAT THE WAY THIS IS WORDED
IS ONLY FOR LANDSCAPING.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE OWNER

04:36:19.009,04:36:24.780
OF THIS PROPERTY THEN WOULD
NOT BE ABLE TO PUT ON A GAZEBO
OR A GARDEN SHED OR ANYTHING

04:36:24.782,04:36:33.675
LIKE THAT ON HIS LAND?
BECAUSE I THINK THE
NON-INHABITABLE DWELLING WOULD

04:36:33.677,04:36:37.710
BE BETTER THAN THE
LANDSCAPING.
COULD YOU TELL ME THAT

04:36:37.712,04:36:43.621
Mr. WATSON?
>> WELL, THAT’S A GOOD
QUESTION.

04:36:43.623,04:36:51.819
I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT
PUT A BUILDING ON IT, NOT PUT
A HOUSE ON IT, WOULD GET INTO

04:36:51.821,04:36:56.653
A REALLY INTERESTING
DISCUSSION AT THE FRONT
COUNTER WHETHER A GAZEBO IS

04:36:56.655,04:37:00.985
LANDSCAPING OR NOT
LANDSCAPING.
GAZEBOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT

04:37:00.987,04:37:05.814
LOOKING AT Mr. ORR AND
Mr. MCKENZIE, NOT THINGS THAT
WE REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS

04:37:05.816,04:37:10.729
FOR.
YOU CAN GO TO HOME DEPOT AND
BUY YOUR GAZEBO AND GO HOME

04:37:10.731,04:37:15.936
AND PLUNK IT DOWN.
>> I’M JUST SAYING IF WE WENT
WITH THE WORDING NO HOUSE OR

04:37:15.938,04:37:20.998
ANY KIND OF —
WOULDN’T THAT BE BETTER THAN
JUST SAYING LANDSCAPING AND

04:37:21.000,04:37:27.816
RESTRICTING THE PERSON FROM
PUTTING ON —
MAYBE Ms. SLOAN CAN HELP US

04:37:27.818,04:37:31.585
WITH THAT.
CAN SHE?
>> Ms. SLOAN ROTE THE —

04:37:31.587,04:37:37.088
WROTE THE MOTION SO PERHAPS
SHE MIGHT AN IDEA.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, JUST BY

04:37:37.090,04:37:41.860
INDICATING NO HABITABLE
BUILDINGS WOULD MAKE IT A MUCH
GREATER OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER

04:37:41.862,04:37:48.470
THINGS COULD BE BUILT OR
CONSTRUCTED IN THAT AREA THAT
WOULD NOT BE GREEN SPACE.

04:37:48.472,04:37:54.440
OR LANDSCAPING OR VEGETATION
IF THAT WAS THE EXPECTATION.
IF IT’S COUNCIL’S INTENT TO

04:37:54.442,04:37:58.205
CLARIFY LANDSCAPING BY ALL
MEANS WE CAN CERTAINLY DO
THAT.

04:37:58.207,04:38:03.509
WE CAN INDICATE IT WOULD
INCLUDE SHEDS AND GAZEBOS.
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, DO

04:38:03.511,04:38:10.388
YOU WANT IT TO BE A PARKING
PAD FOR LARGE RVs?
I MEAN THERE IS THOSE KINDS OF

04:38:10.390,04:38:13.322
ISSUES TO CONSIDER.
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO
HAVE IN THAT AREA?

04:38:13.324,04:38:17.921
I THINK LANDSCAPING IS
PROBABLY QUITE RESTRICTIVE.
YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT.

04:38:17.923,04:38:21.563
COULD GET INTO AN ISSUE
WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD
INCLUDE GAZEBOS.

04:38:21.565,04:38:27.605
IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH GAZEBOS
AND GARDEN SHEDS, ALTHOUGH YOU
CAN HAVE SOME FAIRLY LARGE

04:38:27.607,04:38:32.171
GARDEN SHEDS WE CAN CERTAINLY
WRITE THAT IN THERE.
>> LET ME JUST MAKE THE

04:38:32.173,04:38:39.828
AMENDMENT THEN IF I CAN THAT
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GAZEBOS.
>> ALLOW GAZEBOS.

04:38:39.830,04:38:52.337
>> ALLOW GAZEBOS, YEAH.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SUPPORT
THAT, SECOND IT.

04:38:52.339,04:38:58.102
>> OKAY.
I’M GOING TO ACCEPT THAT AS A
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE

04:38:58.104,04:39:10.117
MOVER AND SECONDER ARE BOTH IN
AGREEMENT.
THE MOTION WITH THE EXCEPTION

04:39:10.119,04:39:19.859
OF LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING
SEEMS TO INCLUDE DECKS AND
GAZEBOS AND THAT SORT OF

04:39:19.861,04:39:30.156
THING.
I DON’T SEE THAT AS BEING
CONTRARY.

04:39:30.158,04:39:43.265
AND MADAM CLERK, IF YOU CAN
MAKE THAT INCLUDING GAZEBOS,
LANDSCAPING INCLUDING GAZEBOS.

04:39:43.267,04:39:51.807
THANK YOU.
AND ALDERMAN HODGES?
I THINK YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO

04:39:51.809,04:39:54.716
THIS.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THIS IS
GETTING INTO REALLY

04:39:54.718,04:39:59.582
INTERESTING AREA.
I WAS HOPING THAT ALDERMAN
STEVENSON MIGHT INCLUDE A

04:39:59.584,04:40:06.015
GARAGE, ACCESSORY BUILDING,
LIKE A GARAGE, NO, NO LET ME
FINISH.

04:40:06.017,04:40:09.981
GET ALDERMAN CARRA’S GARDEN
SUITE ABOVE THE GARAGE.
HAVE IT ALL.

04:40:09.983,04:40:12.917
WE WOULD HAVE THE WHOLE
PACKAGE.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY.

04:40:12.919,04:40:18.824
OF COURSE, NOT JUST BUILD AN
ORDINARY GARAGE.
A GARAGE FOR HIS COLLECTION OF

04:40:18.826,04:40:24.538
POTENTIAL COLLECTION OF
ANTIQUE VEHICLES.
THANK YOU.

04:40:24.540,04:40:33.755
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT DEBATE.
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> A GAZEBO IS TECHNICALLY A

04:40:33.757,04:40:38.329
PARTICULAR KIND OF
ARCHITECTURE.
CAN WE JUST USE A TERM OTHER

04:40:38.331,04:40:44.535
THAN GAZEBOS.
GAZEBO REFERS TO A PARTICULAR
KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL FOLLY.

04:40:44.537,04:40:51.731
>> YOU HAVE SOME OTHER TERM
THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING?
>> I WOULD SAY —

04:40:51.733,04:40:58.646
I WOULD SAY THE MAYOR IS
SUGGESTING GARDEN
ARCHITECTURE.

04:40:58.648,04:41:09.079
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> GAZEBO IS —
>> ARE YOU FINE WITH GARDEN

04:41:09.081,04:41:12.583
ARCHITECTURE?
>> I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD BE
DECIDING FOR A PRIVATE

04:41:12.585,04:41:23.264
LANDOWNER EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF
OUTDOOR STRUCTURE THEY WANT TO
INCLUDE IN THEIR LANDSCAPING.

04:41:23.266,04:41:26.362
>> OKAY.
THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED A
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

04:41:26.364,04:41:33.647
IT NOW INCLUDES GARDEN
ARCHITECTURE.
WHICH PRESUMABLY DOES NOT

04:41:33.649,04:41:43.858
INCLUDE A GARAGE WITH AN
ANCILLARY SUITE.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?

04:41:43.860,04:41:49.129
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT I
HAVE WITH DOING POLICY ON THE

04:41:49.131,04:41:54.263
FLY.
AND NOT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY
TO CONSULT WITH THE LANDOWNER

04:41:54.265,04:42:02.869
AS TO WHAT WORDING HE WOULD
DEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE OR
SUPPORTIVE OF, AND I THINK

04:42:02.871,04:42:07.139
THERE IS CERTAINLY AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE
THESE KIND OF AMENDMENTS AT

04:42:07.141,04:42:12.281
LAND.
I DON’T SEE WHY THERE IS A
NEED TO DO A MOTION ON COUNCIL

04:42:12.283,04:42:14.790
FLOOR.
I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS

04:42:14.792,04:42:19.724
WITH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER
AND COME FORWARD WITH SOME
SORT OF RECOMMENDATION AT LAND

04:42:19.726,04:42:27.468
SPECIFICALLY IN RELATION TO
CAVEAT ON TITLE, IF THAT’S
WHAT IS DEEMED TO BE NECESSARY.

04:42:27.470,04:42:33.606
I’M NOT SURE I’M OVERLY
SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF
SEPARATING LAND USES WITHIN

04:42:33.608,04:42:39.702
ONE PAR SELL —
PARCEL EITHER GENERALLY.
IT’S PROBLEMATIC.

04:42:39.704,04:42:46.269
NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
I’M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING
THIS.

04:42:46.271,04:42:52.710
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN MAR?
>> THANK YOU.

04:42:52.712,04:42:57.981
WELL, ONCE AGAIN, COUNCIL IS
STARTING TO REALLY GET INTO
THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF

04:42:57.983,04:43:01.646
SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE
AT COMMITTEE.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE THIS

04:43:01.648,04:43:05.614
DISCUSSION AT COMMITTEE, THEN
BY ALL MEANS, THAT’S THE
APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THIS TO

04:43:05.616,04:43:09.190
HAPPEN.
BEEN ON THIS ABOUT 90 MINUTES,
I’M GUESSING.

04:43:09.192,04:43:14.289
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST WELL
KNOWN PHILANTHROPISTS IN THE
CITY OF CALGARY BUYING FROM US

04:43:14.291,04:43:20.495
A REALLY SCRUBBY BIT OF DIRT
THAT HAS —
THAT WE’LL NOT BE MISSING,

04:43:20.497,04:43:23.227
COUNCIL, QUITE FRANKLY.
I DON’T THINK THAT THIS IS THE
TIME OR PLACE TO BE HAVING

04:43:23.229,04:43:28.673
THIS AND I’M HAPPY TO VOTE TO
SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL MOTION
BUT NOT THIS.

04:43:28.675,04:43:38.390
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN MAR.
I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THE

04:43:38.392,04:43:40.454
LIGHTS.
WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THE
QUESTION.

04:43:40.456,04:43:49.261
ALL THOSE —
THE MOTION.
THERE ARE NO AMENDMENTS.

04:43:49.263,04:43:52.998
THE AMENDMENTS WERE CONSIDERED
FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
IT IS THE MOTION ARISING.

04:43:53.000,04:44:03.617
ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

04:44:03.619,04:44:07.579
>> ON THE MOTION ARISING
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> YES.

04:44:07.581,04:44:15.859
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

04:44:15.861,04:44:20.361
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> YES.

04:44:20.363,04:44:24.667
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?

04:44:24.669,04:44:27.678
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> NO.

04:44:27.680,04:44:33.450
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> (Inaudible).
>> ALDERMAN HODGES?

04:44:33.452,04:44:36.615
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN JONES?
>> YES.

04:44:36.617,04:44:40.855
>> ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?

04:44:40.857,04:44:48.230
>> YES.
>>> ALDERMAN MAR?
>> NO.

04:44:48.232,04:44:52.865
>> MAYOR NENSHI?
>> YES.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR MacLEOD?

04:44:52.867,04:45:15.344
>> YES.
>> FOR THE RECORD IT IS WAY
MORE FUN OVER THERE THAN IT IS

04:45:15.346,04:45:20.218
OVER HERE.
I MIGHT ALSO ADD I’M NOT
CONVINCED ON WHETHER OR NOT

04:45:20.220,04:45:24.441
WE’LL STILL ALLOW GARDEN
GNOMES ON THAT PIECE OF
PROPERTY AND I THINK THAT IS A

04:45:24.443,04:45:35.252
VITAL ISSUE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS
TO DISCUSS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WELL,

04:45:35.254,04:45:40.215
FINISHED THE TABLED PORTIONS.
OKAY.
LAND USE REDESIGNATION DOUGLAS

04:45:40.217,04:45:54.722
DALE, CPC 2011, 8.1 IN YOUR
AGENDA, Mr. ORR.
>> THANK YOU.

04:45:54.724,04:46:04.151
CONTAINING 4.2 ACRES OF LAND
AT 2275-98th AVENUE SOUTHEAST
FROM 125 MULTIRESIDENTIAL, LOW

04:46:04.153,04:46:10.551
PROFILE DISTRICT AND DC DIRECT
CONTROL DISTRICT TO DC DIRECT
CONTROL DISTRICT TO

04:46:10.553,04:46:16.153
ACCOMMODATE MEDIUM PROFILE
DEVELOPMENT AS SHOWN ON THE
MAP OUTLINED IN RED.

04:46:16.155,04:46:20.396
THE INTENT OF THE APPLICATION
IS TO CREATE A MINOR LAND USE
AMENDMENT TO INCREASE BUILDING

04:46:20.398,04:46:27.027
HEIGHT TO REFLECT A SPECIFIC
BUILDING DESIGN FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT STAGE.

04:46:27.029,04:46:31.027
PHOTO OF THE SITE.
A LOT OF THE SITE HAS BEEN
REDEVELOPED IN THE AREA.

04:46:31.029,04:46:39.166
RIGHT NEAR THE CORY PARK
DISTRICT.
THERE IS THIS PORTION IN THE

04:46:39.168,04:46:48.346
BACKGROUND IS THE BOW RIVER.
THE PROPOSED DC WILL
CONSOLIDATE THE EXISTING LAND

04:46:48.348,04:46:51.682
USES INTO ONE LAND USE.
CURRENT LAY PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE

04:46:51.684,04:46:56.488
STRADDLES BOTH THE DC AND M-1
DISTRICTS WHICH COMPROMISES
THE APPLICANT’S ENTERTAIN TO

04:46:56.490,04:47:00.362
HAVE A FIVE STOREY BUILDING
DEVELOPED ON THE NORTH PORTION
OF THE SITE AREA.

04:47:00.364,04:47:05.896
WHICH ALSO STILL MUST RESPECT
THE DC’S INTENT TO LIMIT
BUILDING HEIGHTS TO 15 METERS

04:47:05.898,04:47:10.902
WITHIN 30 METERS OF THE
EXISTING SSPR ABUTTING THE
PARCEL.

04:47:10.904,04:47:16.003
THE SITE IS FLAT AND WILL BE
ACCESSED FROM THE EAST BY CORY
WAY.

04:47:16.005,04:47:20.815
PROPOSAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH
THE BARLOW ASP AND HEIGHT IS
DEEMED TO BE COMPARABLE WITH

04:47:20.817,04:47:24.968
ADJACENT LAND USES.
AS SUCH CALGARY PLANNING
COMMISSION REJECTED —

04:47:24.970,04:47:30.006
RECOMMENDED ADOPTION OF THE
PROPOSED REDESIGNATION IN
ACCORDANCE WITH WITH THE C PEG

04:47:30.008,04:47:35.037
RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE THREE
READINGS TO THE BYLAW.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION,

04:47:35.039,04:47:39.867
YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATION

04:47:39.869,04:47:42.175
FOR ADMINISTRATION.
ALDERMAN KEATING?
NO.

04:47:42.177,04:47:47.044
I HAVE ONE.
ANY SHADOWING CONCERNS?
>> I DON’T BELIEVE SO IN THIS

04:47:47.046,04:47:53.478
INSTANCE, YOUR WORSHIP.
THE INTEGRITY OF THE DC IS
BEING MAINTAINED BY IF YOU

04:47:53.480,04:47:57.547
LOOK ON THE HATCHED AREA TO
THE NORTH OF IT, YOU CAN SEE
THE FDR.

04:47:57.549,04:48:05.458
THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON ANY
DEVELOPMENT ABUTTING THAT TO
HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 15

04:48:05.460,04:48:11.100
METERS.
THAT DOES HELP MITIGATE AND
ALSO REPRESENTS THE ORIGINAL

04:48:11.102,04:48:15.474
HOW THIS SITE WAS DESIGNATED
ORIGINALLY.
THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL IN

04:48:15.476,04:48:18.072
THE VICINITY.
HOWEVER, THE HEIGHT I DON’T
THINK IS UNREASONABLE

04:48:18.074,04:48:24.884
CONSIDERING THE STATUS OF THE
EXISTING DC AND THE HEIGHT
LIMITATIONS PLACED ON IT.

04:48:24.886,04:48:29.392
>> ALL RIGHT, THEN.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR
OF THIS PROPOSAL?

04:48:29.394,04:48:38.790
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, YOUR

04:48:38.792,04:48:45.059
WORSHIP AND MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
I’M BEN LEE WITH IBI GROUP AND
WITH ME MICHAEL WITH

04:48:45.061,04:48:47.696
REMMINGTON DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION.
HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF

04:48:47.698,04:48:51.593
THE APPLICATION AND WANT TO
MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT

04:48:51.595,04:48:55.303
COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
>> THANKS.
ALDERMAN KETING?

04:48:55.305,04:49:00.140
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
WANT TO CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT’S
GOING ON HERE.

04:49:00.142,04:49:04.213
IF WE LOOK AT THE LINE THAT
SEPARATES THE TWO PARCELS IT’S
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL

04:49:04.215,04:49:08.241
BE BUILDING —
THE INTENT IT TO BUILD FOUR
BUILDINGS ACROSS THAT SITE?

04:49:08.243,04:49:13.306
IS THAT CORRECT?
FIVE, OKAY.
ONE OF THE BUILDING ENDS UP TO

04:49:13.308,04:49:19.677
BE ON THE LINE.
>> THAT’S EXACTLY CORRECT.
IF I MAY, WHAT PRECIPITATED

04:49:19.679,04:49:24.911
THIS WHOLE PROCESS WE TRIED TO
LOOK AT BOTH THOSE SITES ON A
COMPREHENSIVE FASHION, AND

04:49:24.913,04:49:30.611
WHAT THAT DID WAS AT THE END
OF THE DAY IT HAD A BUILDING
STRADDLED THE LAND USE LINE.

04:49:30.613,04:49:34.510
THIS IS THE QUINTESSENTIAL
QUESTION SOMETIMES WHEN WE
HAVE A LAND USE PUT IN PLACE

04:49:34.512,04:49:39.659
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE PRODUCT
RANGE IS AND WE HAVE A NICE
DESIGN BUT IT HAD ONE BUILDING

04:49:39.661,04:49:43.963
THAT STRADDLED THE LAND USE
LINE, DIDN’T RESPECT THE
DIFFERENTIATIONS BETWEEN THE

04:49:43.965,04:49:49.838
TWO HEIGHT LIMITATIONS.
JUST NEEDED TO ADJUST THE —
PUT A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE

04:49:49.840,04:49:55.182
ACROSS THAT RESPECTED WHERE
THE ACTUAL LINE FOR THE HEIGHT
DIFFERENTIATION OCCURS.

04:49:55.184,04:49:58.950
REALLY IN ESSENCE WHAT WE ARE
DOING HERE.
>> THE BUILDING ON THE FAR

04:49:58.952,04:50:03.756
NORTH END IS STILL GOING TO BE
AT THE LOWER HEIGHT
RESTRICTION, JUST ALLOW THE

04:50:03.758,04:50:07.423
ONE BUILDING THAT STRADDLES
THE LINE TO BE AT THE HIGHER
DENSITY TO ALLOW FOR THE

04:50:07.425,04:50:13.235
DIFFERENCE IN USES?
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU.

04:50:13.237,04:50:21.210
>> THANKS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
ALDERMAN CHABOT?

04:50:21.212,04:50:27.247
>> Mr. LEE, RELAXATION OF ONE
METER ON THE NORTHERN PORTION
OF THE SITE RELATED TO

04:50:27.249,04:50:30.813
BUILDING DESIGN, CAN YOU
ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON
THAT?

04:50:30.815,04:50:34.985
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF
ADDITIONAL LEEWAY TO MATCH, IF

04:50:34.987,04:50:42.138
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO
GO TO CORY PARK WE HAVE REALLY
SOME KIND OF FRENCH

04:50:42.140,04:50:47.348
RENAISSANCE ARCHITECTURE HAS
STEEP ROOFS.
TO ACCOMMODATE THE

04:50:47.350,04:50:51.250
ARTICULATIONS AT KEY POINTS ON
THE CORNER.
>> PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE OF A

04:50:51.252,04:50:54.351
STEEPER PITCH?
>> YES.
>> AND 16 TO 19 METERS, SAME

04:50:54.353,04:50:58.365
REASON?
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

04:50:58.367,04:51:02.694
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING

04:51:02.696,04:51:05.534
HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK

04:51:05.536,04:51:09.497
IN FAVOUR OF THIS PROPOSAL.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR?

04:51:09.499,04:51:13.233
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST
THIS PROPOSAL.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST?

04:51:13.235,04:51:17.837
ALL RIGHT, THEN ANY QUESTIONS
ADMINISTRATION.
ALL RIGHT.

04:51:17.839,04:51:22.009
ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS

04:51:22.011,04:51:30.181
MOTION AND GO FORWARD AND
CERTAINLY NOT TO LOWER MYSELF
INTO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD

04:51:30.183,04:51:34.926
EARLIER, THIS IS EXTREMELY
EXPEDIENT, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.

04:51:34.928,04:51:37.456
>> THANKS.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON HAS
SECONDED THAT.

04:51:37.458,04:51:41.883
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS
ONE.
ALL RIGHT.

04:51:41.885,04:51:45.456
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

04:51:45.458,04:51:48.590
VERY WELL THEN.
CARRIED.
FIRST READING OF THE BYLAW ARE

04:51:48.592,04:51:51.859
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
SECOND READING ARE WE AGREED?

04:51:51.861,04:51:55.366
ANY OPPOSED?
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD
READING ARE WE AGREED?

04:51:55.368,04:51:58.562
ANY OPPOSED?
THIRD READING OF THE BYLAW ARE
WE AGREED?

04:51:58.564,04:52:04.432
ANY OPPOSED.
CARRIED.
THANK YOU.

04:52:04.434,04:52:15.450
8.220110, 0399 ROCKY RIDGE.
Mr. ORR?
>> ON POINT OF ORDER.

04:52:15.452,04:52:23.024
I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES IN
CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS
PARTICULAR SITE AND WOULD ASK

04:52:23.026,04:52:28.361
COUNCIL’S INDULGENCE TO ALLOW
ME TO EXCUSE MYSELF AS I WILL
HAVE A INTEREST ON THIS

04:52:28.363,04:53:19.518
PARTICULAR MATTER.
(PLEASE STAND BY)
IF IT’S GOING TO CAUSE A FAMILY

04:53:19.520,04:53:28.545
PROBLEM…
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE ITEM BEFORE
WITH YOU IS LAND USE

04:53:28.547,04:53:34.928
REDESIGNATION LOCATED AT 9 ROCKY
RIDGE CLOSE NORTHWEST.
IT’S SHOWN IN RED ON THE

04:53:34.930,04:53:44.232
OVERHEAD MAP FROM SFUD SPECIAL
FUTURE URBAN DEVELOPMENT
DISTRICT TO RC 1 RESIDENTIAL

04:53:44.234,04:53:49.068
CONTEXTUAL 1 DISTRICT AND SUN
SPECIAL PURPOSE URBAN NATURE
DISTRICT.

04:53:49.070,04:53:52.237
FOR INFORMATION TO COUNCIL, ON
THE DIRECTION OF CALGARY
PLANNING ECONOMICS, THIS ITEM IS

04:53:52.239,04:53:57.603
BEING REFERRED TO COUNCIL AT
THIS PUBLIC HEARING WITHOUT A
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.

04:53:57.605,04:54:02.075
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WEST
OF ROCKY RIDGE PLACE NORTHWEST
AND SOUTH OF ROCKY RIDGE

04:54:02.077,04:54:08.597
CRESCENT.
THE SITE IS ROUNDED BY
PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE ATTACHED

04:54:08.599,04:54:14.631
DWELLINGS AND AN OPEN POND AREA
TO THE WEST WITH ENVIRONMENTALLY
SENSITIVE LANDS TO THE SOUTH.

04:54:14.633,04:54:29.757
THERTHERE IS A SERIES OF TREES
LOCATED ON THE PARCEL.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE…

04:54:29.759,04:54:33.830
THE DEVELOPER HAS VOLUNTARILY
PROPOSED TO DEDICATE MUNICIPAL
AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESERVE ON THE

04:54:33.832,04:54:44.518
WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT
WHICH ADMINISTRATION FEELS IS A
REASONABLE APPROACH WHICH IS

04:54:44.520,04:54:47.821
CONSISTENT OF THE INTENT OF THE
STRUCTURE PLAN.
THERE’S AN AIR PHOTO.

04:54:47.823,04:54:53.859
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SITE
OUTLINED IN RED AND THERE’S AN
EXISTING DWELLING ON THE

04:54:53.861,04:54:59.692
PROPERTY.
I WOULD ADVISE COUNCIL THAT THE
SINGLE ATTACHED DWELLINGS TO THE

04:54:59.694,04:55:05.423
WEST OF THE SITE, THE PHOTO IS
SOMEWHAT UPDATED IN THAT IT IS
FULLY DEVELOPED AT THE TIME.

04:55:05.425,04:55:09.165
HERE’S A MORE I BELIEVE RECENT
AIR PHOTO TAKEN OF THE SAME
AREA.

04:55:09.167,04:55:20.314
YOU CAN SEE THE LUSHNESS OF THE
PROPERTY AND ALSO RELATIONSHIP
TO THE ABUTTING SIN SINGLE DETAD

04:55:20.316,04:55:27.552
DEVELOPMENT EXISTING.
GO AHEAD.
NOW, IN THE — THIS MAP YOU CAN

04:55:27.554,04:55:32.593
SEE THE RC 1 AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THE SSPR WHICH THE
DEVELOPER I BELIEVE IS

04:55:32.595,04:55:38.498
DEDICATING AND ALSO THE SUN
WHICH IS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH
THE EXISTING DC PORTION WITH A

04:55:38.500,04:55:44.867
SIMILAR TYPE OF LAND USE
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AS NOTED, THE WETLANDS ARE ALSO

04:55:44.869,04:55:49.572
BEING PRESERVED WITHIN A
DEVELOPMENT AREA AND A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SITE

04:55:49.574,04:55:54.968
REMAINS IN A NATURAL STATE.
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION
DIRECTED TO TABLE THE PLAN

04:55:54.970,04:56:08.023
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION
UNTIL COUNCIL HAS MADE A
DECISION ON THE LAND USE.

04:56:08.025,04:56:14.732
THIS ILLUSTRATION YOU CAN SEE
THERE IS A WETLAND AREA RIGHT TO
THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PARCEL

04:56:14.734,04:56:21.334
AND ALSO THERE’S ANOTHER WETLAND
AREA NORTH LOCATED CENTRALLY ON
THE SITE RIGHT THERE WHICH IS

04:56:21.336,04:56:37.525
BEING PRESERVED IN THIS
INSTANCE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REFER TO

04:56:37.527,04:56:43.352
COUNCIL THERE’S A SPECIFIC
SECTION IN THE ASP WHICH STATES
REGARDING SITES SUCH AS THIS

04:56:43.354,04:56:50.091
THAT EVERY EFFORT SHALL BE MADE
TO PROTECT THE KNOB AND KETTLE
TERRAIN, VALUED ASPEN TREE

04:56:50.093,04:56:54.632
STANDS AND OTHER NATURAL
FEATURES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE
UNIQUE QUARTER OF THE QUARTER

04:56:54.634,04:57:00.270
SECTION, DENSITY BONUS STRUCTURE
OR OTHER METHODS AS DESIRED
PRACTICAL AND APPROPRIATE.

04:57:00.272,04:57:09.820
IN THIS INSTANCE, YOUR WORSHIP,
THE ADMINISTRATION FELT THAT THE
DEVELOPERS’ VOLUNTARY PROPOSAL

04:57:09.822,04:57:15.663
TO DEDICATE MR WAS A REASONABLE
APPROACH IN THIS INSTANCE AND IT
DID MEET THE INTEND OF THE AREA

04:57:15.665,04:57:22.429
STRUCTURE PLAN.
THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS TAKEN FROM
THE EAST OF THE SITE AT ONE OF

04:57:22.431,04:57:26.664
THE BAYS.
YOU CAN JUST SEE A LITTLE BIT OF
THE WORDED AREA HERE WHERE THE

04:57:26.666,04:57:32.046
RED DOT IS, AND THAT IS THE
EXISTING SINGLE DETACHED
DWELLING THAT IS ON THE

04:57:32.048,04:57:36.382
PROPERTY.
YOU’LL NOTE THE KIND OF ROLLING
TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SNOW AND

04:57:36.384,04:57:40.220
THAT’S ALSO ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH
TAKEN ON THE SITE JUST TO THE
SOUTH PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

04:57:40.222,04:57:46.318
YOU CAN SEE THE ROLLING NATURE
OF THE LANDSCAPING HERE.
AND ALSO THAT IS JUST ALONG THE

04:57:46.320,04:57:50.953
PRIVATE ROAD THAT ACCESSES THE
SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SLOPE AWAY FROM

04:57:50.955,04:57:57.927
THE ROAD AND ALSO UP TO THE
SINGLE DETACHED DWELLING, THAT’S
A PATHWAY TO THE EXISTING

04:57:57.929,04:58:02.462
STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE WITH THE
RED DOT THERE, YOU CAN GET AN

04:58:02.464,04:58:06.635
IDEA OF THE WOODLANDS THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SPECIFIC
PARCEL.

04:58:06.637,04:58:12.232
THE CORPORATE PLANNING
APPLICATIONS GROUP
RECOMMENDATION TO CPC WAS THAT

04:58:12.234,04:58:27.501
COUNCIL ADOPT BY BYLAW THE
REDESIGNATION OF 3.4 ACRES TO C
1 S, SPR AND SUN DISTRICTS.

04:58:27.503,04:58:47.801
THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I HAVE
A LOT OF LIGHTS.

04:58:47.803,04:58:51.002
ARE THESE QUESTION OF
CLARIFICATION FOR
ADMINISTRATION, ALDERMAN CHABOT?

04:58:51.004,04:58:55.940
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
YES.
THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS IN

04:58:55.942,04:59:05.708
REGARDS TO LOC 2010-34.
PAGE 3.
AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PAGE

04:59:05.710,04:59:13.442
THERE, 2010 JULY 26 COUNCIL
REDESIGNATED 10.46 HECTARES TO
THE SOUTH AND NORTH OF THE

04:59:13.444,04:59:20.520
SUBJECT SITE.
I’M NOT SURE I QUITE UNDERSTAND
THAT.

04:59:20.522,04:59:25.862
>> I’M SORRY, THIS IS FROM PAGE
3 ON THE RELEVANT PLANNING
HISTORY?

04:59:25.864,04:59:29.170
>> YES.
>> UNDER?
>> AT THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE.

04:59:29.172,04:59:35.047
VERY FIRST LINE.
SOUTH AND NORTH IS TWO OPPOSITE
DIRECTIONS.

04:59:35.049,04:59:42.578
SO I’M JUST TRYING TO POSITION
MYSELF.
WHERE IS THIS?

04:59:42.580,04:59:50.914
THAT WE’RE REFERRING TO?
>> I BELIEVE THEY MEANT TO SAY
SOUTH AND — I WOULD SAY EAS EAF

04:59:50.916,04:59:56.568
THE SUBJECT SITE BECAUSE IF YOU
LOOK ON THE MAP HERE THAT’S 94 D
2010 THERE’S THE DC ASSOCIATED

04:59:56.570,05:00:02.770
TO THE SOUTH PORTION AND ALSO TO
THE EAST PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
I DON’T HONESTLY SEE ANYTHING TO

05:00:02.772,05:00:07.178
THE NORTH.
I BELIEVE THAT MAY HAVE JUST
BEEN A MISPRINT WHEN IT WAS PUT

05:00:07.180,05:00:10.483
IN THE —
>> SOUTH AND EAST.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.

05:00:10.485,05:00:21.103
IF I CAN REFER YOU TO PAGE 2 OF
3 OF THE SUBMISSIONS APPENDIX 5.
NUMBER D, IT SAYS THAT THERE

05:00:21.105,05:00:28.047
APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SOME
DELIBERATELY — DELIBERATE
DRAINING.

05:00:28.049,05:00:33.057
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
>> I’M SORRY —
>> THE WORD DRAINING OF THE

05:00:33.059,05:00:38.564
WETLANDS.
>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YOUR
WORSHIP, NO.

05:00:38.566,05:00:44.168
I THINK THE INTENT IS HERE HE’S
OBLIGATED TO MAINTAIN THE ONE AT
THE SOUTHERN PORTION WHICH IS

05:00:44.170,05:00:50.413
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT — THE DC-9
42010, THE OTHER ONE IS QUITE
SMALL BUT HE IS MAINTAINING THAT

05:00:50.415,05:00:57.916
I BELIEVE VOLUNTARILY.
>> WELL, I’LL BE ASKING THE
APPLICANT THE SAME QUESTION.

05:00:59.817,05:01:03.080
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
I DID CHECK THE PROCEDURE BYLAW

05:01:03.082,05:01:09.353
AND THERE IS NO PROVISION THAT
YOU CAN VOTE BUT CAN’T TALK.
SO WE’LL BE BRINGING THAT

05:01:09.355,05:01:17.053
FORWARD SOON.
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP, ON A MORE

05:01:17.055,05:01:23.496
SERIOUS NOTE.
Mr. ORR, THE ONLY WAY TO
ILLUSTRATE MY QUESTION IS

05:01:23.498,05:01:27.226
APPENDIX 4, PAGE 1 OF APPENDIX
4.
PREVIOUS TO THE PAGE THAT

05:01:27.228,05:01:32.233
ALDERMAN CHABOT WAS REFERRING
TO.
APPLICANT WANTED TO INCLUDE

05:01:32.235,05:01:39.172
ROCKY RIDGE PLACE THE ROAD ON
THE EAST SIDE OF HIS PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT.

05:01:39.174,05:01:43.536
AND THAT’S WHAT’S SHOWN IN THE
OUTLINE PLAN THEY SUBMITTED TO
THE DEPARTMENT.

05:01:43.538,05:01:49.715
HOWEVER, WHAT WAS ADVERTISED WAS
THE AREA IMMEDIATELY WEST AND
ADJACENT TO ROCKY RIDGE PLACE,

05:01:49.717,05:01:54.616
BUT ON MY MAP DOESN’T INCLUDE
ROCKY RIDGE PLACE.
SO COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR

05:01:54.618,05:01:59.417
ME?
I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE NOT THE FILE
MANAGER, BUT THE FILE MANAGER IS

05:01:59.419,05:02:04.996
SITTING IN A CHAIR IN THE
AUDIENCE BEHIND YOU.
>> I CAN ADVISE COUNCIL THAT

05:02:04.998,05:02:10.582
WHAT’S GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL
IS JUST THE ACTUAL LAND USE
REDESIGNATION.

05:02:10.584,05:02:14.583
I UNDERSTAND THE — THAT ROAD IS
ACTUALLY A CLOSED ROAD.
SO THAT’S ACTUALLY AN

05:02:14.585,05:02:20.290
INDEPENDENT PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
>> IT IS.
>> IT’S NOT NOTED IN THE

05:02:20.292,05:02:24.890
ADVERTISING, YOU’RE QUITE RIGHT,
BUT I DON’T THINK THAT INTENDED
TO BE REDESIGNATED WITH THIS

05:02:24.892,05:02:30.564
APPLICATION.
>> Mr. ORR, I AGREE WITH YOU.
WHAT I’M SAYING, IT’S NOT THE

05:02:30.566,05:02:38.082
APPLICANT’S APPLICATION.
HE/SHE INCLUDED ROCKY RIDGE
PLACE IN THEIR APPLICATION.

05:02:38.084,05:02:46.458
HERE.
I CAN SHOW YOU.
SO IT WAS EXCLUDED…

05:02:46.460,05:02:57.941
[Inaudible]
SORRY.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, SUBDIVISION

05:02:57.943,05:03:03.001
PLANNING.
THERE WAS TWO APPLICATIONS MADE,
SO ALDERMAN HODGES IS CORRECT.

05:03:03.003,05:03:09.336
ONE APPLICATION, THE OUTLINE
PLAN APPLICATION DOES INCLUDE
THE ROCKY RIDGE PLACE AND THAT

05:03:09.338,05:03:15.473
IS OWNED BY ANOTHER LANDOWNER.
THE LAND USE APPLICATION IS FOR
THEIR PROPERTY ONLY AND

05:03:15.475,05:03:20.551
THEREFORE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE
ROCKY RIDGE PLACE.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT

05:03:20.553,05:03:26.826
CLARIFICATION.
I’D HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO CATCH
UP TO YOU THIS MORNING, I WOULD

05:03:26.828,05:03:29.730
HAVE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION,
BUT I WANTED TO ASK IT PUBLICLY
AS WELL.

05:03:29.732,05:03:35.130
YOUR WORSHIP, THOSE ARE ALL MY
QUESTIONS AND SO WE CAN HAVE
SCHEDULE A AND SCHEDULE B BEFORE

05:03:35.132,05:03:40.310
US SO WE CAN PROCEED.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.
WE’RE STILL ON QUESTION OF

05:03:40.312,05:03:43.846
CLARIFICATION FOR
ADMINISTRATION.
ALDERMAN FARRELL.

05:03:43.848,05:03:49.152
>> THANK YOU.
THIS FAILED AT PLANNING
COMMISSION AFTER A LENGTHY

05:03:49.154,05:03:54.651
DEBATE, AND YET THAT WAS NOT
INCLUDED IN ANY KIND OF
PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.

05:03:54.653,05:03:59.980
SO I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO
EXPLAIN WHY.
WERE YOU PRESENT AT THAT —

05:03:59.982,05:04:05.883
>> ACTUALLY, YOUR WORSHIP, I WAS
ATTENDING SESSIONS OF THE
SUBDIVISIONS DEVELOPMENT APPEAL

05:04:05.885,05:04:15.390
BOARD SO I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THE
DEBATE AT CPC ON THIS.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, ONE OF THE MAIN

05:04:15.392,05:04:21.859
ISSUES — THERE’S A FEW.
ONE OF THE MAIN ONES AT PLANNING
COMISSION WAS THE ISSUE OF

05:04:21.861,05:04:28.629
CONSERVATION DESIGN.
IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT THE
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN AREA

05:04:28.631,05:04:35.668
STRUCTURE PLAN AS WELL AS THE
BILL FORM CONTRADICTED
CONSERVATION DESIGN AND

05:04:35.670,05:04:47.346
THEREFORE WE FELT THIS PROPOSAL.
CPC DISAGREED THIS PROPOSAL MET
THAT REQUIREMENT AND THAT WAS

05:04:47.348,05:04:53.345
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT LOST
IN A TIE VOTE.
>> DO YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT

05:04:53.347,05:06:21.678
WE SAW AT CPC OF THIS PROPERTY
IN THE SUMMERTIME?
>> REGRETTABLY, YOUR WORSHIP, WE

05:06:21.680,05:06:25.849
DON’T HAVE ANYTHING PICTURE-WISE
THAT DOESN’T HAVE SNOW ON IT.
SO WE DON’T HAVE ANYTHING FROM

05:06:25.851,05:06:29.145
THE SUMMER.
I APOLOGIZE.
>> AND YET IN PLANNING

05:06:29.147,05:06:34.818
COMMISSION WE WERE SHOWN IMAGES
THAT SHOWED THE LAND IN THE
SUMMER, EXTRAORDINARILY

05:06:34.820,05:06:42.329
BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
BUT WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS
DIFFERENT IMAGES FROM DIFFERENT

05:06:42.331,05:06:45.299
LOCATIONS, AND IN THE DEAD OF
WINTER.
WHICH I FIND DISAPPOINTING.

05:06:45.301,05:06:51.202
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT
COUNCIL SEE THE SAME
PRESENTATION WITH THE SAME

05:06:51.204,05:07:01.848
PROPERTIES THAT WE SAW AT CPC.
THAT HELPED DETERMINE THE CPC
DECISION — OR LACK OF DECISION.

05:07:03.375,05:07:16.420
I WOULD LIKE SOME ATTEMPT TO
ARRIVE AT THOSE, SOMEHOW.
>> CAN WE FIND THEM SOMEWHERE?

05:07:16.422,05:07:22.457
>> IT’S NOT REALLY WHAT I’M
TALKING ABOUT.
>> Mr. WATSON?

05:07:22.459,05:07:29.540
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I TOO
REMEMBER THE — I BELIEVE IT WAS
THIS APPLICATION, BUT THERE WAS

05:07:29.542,05:07:33.083
SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT CERTAINLY
WERE NOT WINTER PHOTOGRAPHS —
>> I KNOW.

05:07:33.085,05:07:39.082
THESE PHOTOGRAPHS WOULD LEAD YOU
TO A CERTAIN OUTCOME, VERY
DIFFERENT FROM THE OUTCOME

05:07:39.084,05:07:41.046
CPC —
>> IN THEORY IT SHOULD BE IN
THAT FILE.

05:07:41.048,05:07:45.448
IF IT’S NOT IN THAT FILE WE
COULD TABLE IT AND GO BACK AND
HAVE ANOTHER LOOK IF THERE’S

05:07:45.450,05:07:50.354
ANOTHER FILE OR SOMETHING ELSE
HANGING UPSTAIRS.
>> WE CAN DO THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:07:50.356,05:07:52.656
>> PARDON?
>> WE COULD TABLE IT AND GO
UP —

05:07:52.658,05:07:55.490
>> WE’D HAVE TO TABLE IT IF
THAT’S YOUR WISH.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I CAN

05:07:55.492,05:07:58.897
CERTAINLY TAKE A MOTION TO TABLE
THIS ITEM UNTIL THE END OF THE
PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU LIKE,

05:07:58.899,05:08:04.520
ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> I’LL MOVE THAT THEN, THANK
YOU.

05:08:04.522,05:08:08.594
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE END OF

05:08:08.596,05:08:14.142
THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:08:14.144,05:08:17.419
ALDERMAN HODGES IS OPPOSED.
ALL RIGHT.
CARRIED.

05:08:17.421,05:08:25.420
THAT TAKES US TO 8.3 ON OUR
AGENDA, CPC 2011-40.
CRANSTON.

05:08:25.422,05:08:49.968
Mr. ORR.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE ITEM BEFORE
YOU IS A LAND USE REDESIGNATION

05:08:49.970,05:08:55.473
LOCATED AT 21111 DEERFOOT TRAIL
SOUTHEAST IN THE COMMUNITY OF
CRANSTON.

05:08:55.475,05:09:06.448
THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDESIGNATE
0.03 HECTARES OR 0.07 ACRES FROM
URBAN NATURE DISTRICT TO SCRI

05:09:06.450,05:09:09.525
SPECIAL PURPOSE CITY AND
REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE
DISTRICT.

05:09:09.527,05:09:15.129
THE SUBJECT SITE IS NOTED IN RED
ON THE SITE PLAN LOCATED IN THE
SOUTHEAST AREA OF THE CITY.

05:09:15.131,05:09:22.122
NORTH OF THE BOW RIVER AND WEST
OF DEERFOOT TRAIL.
THE APPLICATION FACILITATES A

05:09:22.124,05:09:25.826
FUTURE SANITARY LIFT STATION TO
SUPPORT FUTURE PHASES OF
DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE AREA.

05:09:25.828,05:09:30.942
THE REDESIGNATION IS NECESSARY
TO ACCOMMODATE THIS
UTILITY-BUILDING USE.

05:09:30.944,05:09:36.608
THAT’S JUST A SHOT TAKEN FROM
DEERFOOT TOWARDS THE SITE AREA.
IT’S BASICALLY IN A STRIPPING

05:09:36.610,05:09:42.383
AND GRADING STATE AT THIS TIME.
AND THAT IS A PORTION OF — A
SMALL PORTION OF THE LOCATION

05:09:42.385,05:09:48.384
RELATIVE TO THE SITE FROM
DEERFOOT TO THE — JUST OFF THE
SITE OF THE PROPERTY.

05:09:48.386,05:09:54.410
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL ADOPT
THE PROPOSED REDESIGNATION IN

05:09:54.412,05:09:57.894
ACCORDANCE WITH THE C PEG
RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE THREE
READINGS TO THE BYLAW.

05:09:57.896,05:10:05.437
YOUR WORSHIP, THAT COMPLETES MY
PRESENTATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

05:10:05.439,05:10:12.344
YOU VERY MUCH.
QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
ALDERMAN CARRA?

05:10:12.346,05:10:18.303
>> SORRY, THIS IS FROM BEFORE.
THE TABLED ITEM.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

05:10:18.305,05:10:22.109
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> VERY BRIEFLY HOW IS ACCESS
GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THIS

05:10:22.111,05:10:28.443
SITE?
IS ACCESS GOING TO BE REQUIRED?
>> THE ACCESS IS — YOUR

05:10:28.445,05:10:33.719
WORSHIP, I PERSONALLY COULD NOT
GET TO THE SITE BECAUSE OF ROAD
CONSTRUCTION.

05:10:33.721,05:10:40.564
THERE WILL BE ROAD ACCESS BY WAY
OF THE SSCR SURROUNDING THE
PARCEL.

05:10:40.566,05:10:50.164
CURRENTLY THE STATION IS
ABUTTING TWO LAND USES AND THAT
IS WHY IT IS NECESSARY FOR THE

05:10:50.166,05:10:57.407
REDESIGNATION AT THIS TIME.
BUT THE ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE
COMMUNITY OF CRANSTON ITSELF.

05:10:57.409,05:11:00.536
HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME IT’S
CURRENTLY NOT ATTAINABLE BECAUSE
THE ROADS ARE UNDER

05:11:00.538,05:11:09.559
CONSTRUCTION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, Mr. ORR.

05:11:09.561,05:11:15.397
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR
OF THIS ITEM?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR?

05:11:15.399,05:11:19.467
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN

05:11:19.469,05:11:23.135
OPPOSITION?
ALL RIGHT THEN.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

05:11:23.137,05:11:27.732
ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
ONCE AGAIN THIS IS A SMALL

05:11:27.734,05:11:31.368
MATTER WHICH JUST IMPROVES THE
AREA, AND I MOVE IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

05:11:31.370,05:11:35.819
THANKS.
SECONDER?
THANKS, ALDERMA ALDERMAN STEVEN.

05:11:35.821,05:11:38.618
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WE
AGREED?

05:11:38.620,05:11:42.354
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED?
FIRST READING OF THE BYLAW ARE

05:11:42.356,05:11:44.356
WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?
SECOND READING OF THE BYLAW ARE

05:11:44.358,05:11:47.522
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED.
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD READING

05:11:47.524,05:11:50.157
OF THE BYLAW ARE WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

05:11:50.159,05:11:51.822
THIRD READING OF THE BYLAW ARE
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:11:51.824,05:11:55.620
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT TAKES US TO 8.4 IN YOUR

05:11:55.622,05:12:08.539
AGENDA.
WHICH IS LAND USE REDESIGNATION
IN ERLTON, Mr. ORR.

05:12:08.541,05:12:15.356
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS AN
APPLICATION TO REDESIGNATE

05:12:15.358,05:12:24.400
0.009 HECTARES OR 0.02 ACRES
LOCATED AT 2329 AND 2329 R
ERLTON PLACE SOUTHWEST AS NOTED

05:12:24.402,05:12:30.338
ON THE SITE MAP SURROUNDED IN
RED FROM AN RC 2 RESIDENTIAL
CONTEXTUAL ONE DWELLING DISTRICT

05:12:30.340,05:12:36.083
AND SSPR SPECIAL PURPOSE SCHOOL
PARK AND COMMUNITY RESERVE
DISTRICT TO SUN SPECIAL PURPOSE

05:12:36.085,05:12:40.852
URBAN NATURE AND RC 2
RESIDENTIAL CONTEXTUAL 1/2
DISTRICT.

05:12:40.854,05:12:47.534
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE
COMMUNITY OF ERLTON IMMEDIATELY
ADJACENT TO THE ELBOW RIVER.

05:12:47.536,05:12:53.680
IT’S TO SIMPLY ADJUST THE
EXISTING LAND USES AND ALIGN
THEM WITH THE NEW BOUNDARIES

05:12:53.682,05:12:58.578
PREVIOUSLY CREATED BY A
DISPOSAL.
THIS ENSURES THE PATHWAY SYSTEM

05:12:58.580,05:13:03.810
IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE OWNERSHIP
AND APPROPRIATE LAND USE TO GO
WITH THE PATHWAY.

05:13:03.812,05:13:09.114
WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS IS YOU CAN
SEE THE — THERE’S A SMALL
PORTION AT THE SOUTH PORTION OF

05:13:09.116,05:13:18.875
THE MAP WHICH IS 2329 THERE.
THAT IS SSPR LAND USE AND IN
ORDER FOR THE RC 2 TO HAVE A

05:13:18.877,05:13:24.275
CONSOLIDATED LAND USE ON THE
PROPERTY THE INTENT IS TO CHANGE
THE SSPR TO THE RC 2 DISTRICT SO

05:13:24.277,05:13:32.075
THAT WAY THE USE IS CONSISTENT
ON THE PARCEL AT 2329.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE PORTION OF

05:13:32.077,05:13:37.962
THE REDESIGNATION WHICH IS
ABUTTING THE RIVER, THAT LAND
USE THERE IS BEING REDESIGNATED

05:13:37.964,05:13:47.102
FROM THE EXISTING RC 2 TO THE
SSUP DISTRICT TO BE CONSISTENT
WITH THE USE ASSOCIATED WITH THE

05:13:47.104,05:13:51.438
PATHWAY SYSTEM.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST A
MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT IS

05:13:51.440,05:13:59.077
NECESSARY IN THIS INSTANCE IN
ORDER SO THAT THE PARCEL AS IT
CONSISTENT LANDS USE AND THE

05:13:59.079,05:14:04.451
PATHWAY LAND USE IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE ABUTTING PATHWAY TO THE
NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE

05:14:04.453,05:14:12.593
PROPERTIES.
THIS IS JUST A PHOTOGRAPH.
THAT’S THE ACTUAL HOUSE.

05:14:12.595,05:14:18.340
THAT’S LOOKING TOWARDS THE RIVER
FROM THAT PHOTOGRAPH THERE.
YOU CAN JUST SEE THE

05:14:18.342,05:14:21.869
NOTIFICATION SIGN FOR
REDESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS TAKEN — THIS IS TO

05:14:21.871,05:14:27.818
THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT
LITTLE STRIP OF PROPERTY WHICH
IS ABUTTING THE PATHWAY SYSTEM,

05:14:27.820,05:14:35.922
THAT IS THE AREA THERE THAT IS
BEING REDESIGNATED TO BE
CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE

05:14:35.924,05:14:46.930
CERTAINTIED WITH THE PATHWAY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY
PRESENTATION, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:14:46.932,05:14:53.401
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ANY
QUESTIONS?
ANYONE WISH TO — ALDERMAN

05:14:53.403,05:14:56.874
CARRA.
>> WHAT WERE THE COMMENTS FROM
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ON

05:14:56.876,05:15:00.577
THIS?
I DON’T SEE ANYTHING IN THE
PACKAGE.

05:15:00.579,05:15:06.781
>> IN SPEAKING, MY COLLEAGUE
Mr. COPE, THE PREVIOUS
SUBDIVISION DID — GARNERED

05:15:06.783,05:15:10.811
SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION AND THE INTERESTS IN
EXPEDITING THE PROCESS DID NOT

05:15:10.813,05:15:17.326
FEEL AS IF A CIRCULATION WAS
NECESSARY IN THIS INSTANCE.
SO THE APPLICATION WAS EXPEDITED

05:15:17.328,05:15:23.441
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND NOT
FORMALLY ASSOCIATED TO THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

05:15:23.443,05:15:28.802
>> SO THE REASON THERE WAS NO —
>> YES.
>> WHOSE DECISION WAS THAT?

05:15:28.804,05:15:35.572
>> THAT WAS MY COLLEAGUE DECIDED
TO EXPEDITE IT, THAT WAS THE
BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH IT.

05:15:35.574,05:15:37.777
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
BECAUSE IF I MAY PUT WORDS IN
YOUR MOUTH THIS IS HOUSE KEEPING

05:15:37.779,05:15:39.511
FOR A DECISION THAT WAS ALREADY
MADE.
IS THAT CORRECT?

05:15:39.513,05:15:42.570
>> , THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.

05:15:42.572,05:15:47.113
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR
OF THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR?

05:15:47.115,05:15:51.780
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN

05:15:51.782,05:15:57.828
OPPOSITION?
ALL RIGHT THEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING IS CLOSED.

05:15:57.830,05:16:03.531
I’LL NEED SOMEONE TO MOVE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> I’LL MOVE IT.

05:16:03.533,05:16:05.694
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN CARRA.
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS SECONDING.

05:16:05.696,05:16:10.494
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE
RECOMMENDATIONS?
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WE

05:16:10.496,05:16:13.755
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

05:16:13.757,05:16:16.153
FIRST READING OF THE BYLAW ARE
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:16:16.155,05:16:20.820
SECOND READING OF THE BYLAW ARE
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:16:20.822,05:16:23.421
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD READING
OF THE BYLAW ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:16:23.423,05:16:25.091
THIRD READING OF THE BYLAW ARE
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:16:25.093,05:16:31.494
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 9.1 IN

05:16:31.496,05:16:36.167
YOUR AGENDA, STILL IN PUBLIC
HEARING.
PROPOSED BIRD-FRIENDLY URBAN

05:16:36.169,05:16:42.541
DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUNS HERE
ARE REMARKABLE.

05:16:42.543,05:16:59.635
ALDERMAN CARRA I FULLY EXPECT
YOU WILL RISE TO THE CHALLENGE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR

05:16:59.637,05:17:11.636
WORSHIP.
AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE
HAVE THE — TWO ITEMS HERE, CPC

05:17:11.638,05:17:22.647
2011-42 AND 43, THAT WE WOULD
LIKE TO PRESENT AS ONE ITEM WITH
YOUR PERMISSION.

05:17:22.649,05:17:26.722
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: IS
THAT ALL RIGHT?
DONE.

05:17:26.724,05:17:35.165
>> OUR FIRST ITEM, THE BIRD
FRIENDLY URBAN DECIDE GUIDELINE.
IT OFFERS NONSTATUTORY BUILDING

05:17:35.167,05:17:40.519
DESIGN AND URBAN DESIGN IDEAS
WHICH ADDRESS THE GLOBAL ISSUE
OF BIRD BUILDING COLLISIONS IN

05:17:40.521,05:17:46.450
RESPONSE TO THE DIRECTION OF
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION, THE
CENTRE CITY PLAN, SPECIFICALLY

05:17:46.452,05:17:53.050
SECTION 7.9 URBAN ECOLOGY AS
WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIVES
OUTLINED IN THE CITY OF

05:17:53.052,05:18:08.793
CALGARY’S ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
AND MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PAGE ON THE SCREEN

05:18:08.795,05:18:12.335
SUMMARIZES THE SPECIFICALLY
RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE POLICY
DOCUMENTS MENTIONED.

05:18:12.337,05:18:22.880
IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME, I WILL
NOT READ THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT I NOTE THE HIGHLIGHTED URBAN

05:18:22.882,05:18:29.179
ECOLOGY SECTION IN THE CENTRE
CITY PLAN WHICH DIRECTED US TO
LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.

05:18:33.886,05:18:37.967
AS WELL THE PRODUCTION OF THE
BIRD FRIENDLY URBAN DECIDE
GUIDELINE DOCUMENT WAS

05:18:37.969,05:18:42.703
PRIORITIZED SPECIFICALLY BY
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION IN
RESPONSE TO A GROWING GLOBAL

05:18:42.705,05:18:47.207
RECOGNITION OF THE BUILDING
RELATED AVIAN FATALITY
PHENOMENON.

05:18:47.209,05:18:52.746
BASED ON LIMITED LOCAL DATA,
COLLECTED BY THE CALGARY BIRD
BANDING SOCIETY, AND ON RESEARCH

05:18:52.748,05:18:57.151
GATHERED FROM GLOBAL SOURCES,
THE GUIDELINE PROVIDES A
COLLECTION OF DESIGN-BASED

05:18:57.153,05:19:01.514
STRATEGIES FOR THE CREATION OF
BIRD-FRIENDLY BUILDINGS AND
DEVELOPMENTS.

05:19:01.516,05:19:08.724
IT ALSO OFFERS SUGGESTIONS FOR
BIRD-FRIENDLY OPERATIONS WHICH
ALIGN WITH SUSTAINABLE DESIGN

05:19:08.726,05:19:13.564
OBJECTIVES.
IN RESPONSE TO THE
NOVEMBER 25th DIRECTION OF

05:19:13.566,05:19:19.399
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION,
VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT
WERE REVISED TO MAKE CLEARER

05:19:19.401,05:19:23.999
REFERENCES TO OTHER GUIDELINES
AND DOCUMENTS TO PROVIDE CLARITY
AND CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT AND

05:19:24.001,05:19:31.770
TO EMPHASIZE THE NONSTATUTORY
VOLUNTARY NATURE OF THE
GUIDELINE.

05:19:34.574,05:19:45.513
I’D LIKE TO MOVE ON NOW TO CPC
2011-43 THE CENTRE CITY
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINE.

05:19:45.515,05:19:52.922
IT IS INTENDED AS A NONSTATUTE
DOCUMENT PROVIDING LIGHTING
GUIDANCE FOR THE CENTRE CITY IN

05:19:52.924,05:19:57.229
THE FORM OF PRINCIPLES,
GUIDELINES AND SOLUTION-BASED
CASE STUDIOUS.

05:19:57.231,05:20:03.266
IT ALIGNS WITH THE VISIONS AND
GOALS OF THE CENTRE CITY PLAN
AND PROVIDES DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR

05:20:03.268,05:20:11.604
PROVIDING INVITE ILLUMINATION
SOLUTIONS.
THE GUIDELINE FOCUSES ON

05:20:11.606,05:20:15.077
EXPERIENTIAL LIGHTING WHICH IS
DESIGNED PRIMARILY TO ENHANCE
THE ENVIRONMENT.

05:20:15.079,05:20:20.484
IT DOES NOT ADDRESS LIGHTING
SPECIFICALLY INTENDED FOR
SECURITY PURPOSES AND DOES NOT

05:20:20.486,05:20:29.193
ADDRESS STREETLIGHTING.
THE GUIDELINE RESPONDS TO A
NUMBER OF INTENTIONS INCLUDED IN

05:20:29.195,05:20:32.928
THE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN
BY PROVIDING A CATALOGUE OF
IDEAS WHICH ADDRESS THE

05:20:32.930,05:20:40.838
OBJECTIVES OF URBAN VIBRANCY,
AND WALKABILITY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE GUIDELINE

05:20:40.840,05:20:50.453
ADDRESSES SECTION 7.8 OF THE
CENTRE CITY PLAN, ARCHITECTURE,
SPECIFICALLY POLICY 7.8.2.3

05:20:50.455,05:20:54.889
EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE
UTIZED TO DISTINGUISH BUILDINGS
OF IMPORTANCE TO ACCENTUATE

05:20:54.891,05:20:59.287
CHARACTER BUILDINGS AND
ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND
HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY ELEMENTS.

05:20:59.289,05:21:04.507
THE ACTION THAT’S HIGHLIGHTED ON
THE SCREEN IN CONSULTATION WITH
ARTISTS AND/OR SPECIALISTS

05:21:04.509,05:21:17.312
DESIGNERS WORKED WITH LIGHTING
TO ACCENTUATE BUILDINGS AS WELL
PROVIDE LIGHTING ON NEW AND

05:21:17.314,05:21:30.394
RENOVATEDDED BUILDINGS THAT
PROVIDE PUNCTUATION AT SPECIFIC
BUILDINGS.

05:21:30.396,05:21:35.032
IN RESPONSE TO THE
NOVEMBER 25th, 2010
DIRECTION OF CALGARY PLANNING

05:21:35.034,05:21:38.840
COMMISSION VARIOUS SECTIONS OF
THE DOCUMENT WERE REVISED TO
CLARIFY POSSIBLE AREAS OF

05:21:38.842,05:21:45.513
PERCEIVED CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS
DOCUMENT AND THE BIRD-FRIENDLY.
THAT WAS DONE AND THE DOCUMENTS

05:21:45.515,05:21:51.149
RETURNED TO PLANNING COMISSION
IN FEBRUARY.
THE RESULTING CALGARY PLANNING

05:21:51.151,05:21:57.511
COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS
THAT COUNCIL ADOPT BY RESOLUTION
THE PROPOSED BIRD-FRIENDLY URBAN

05:21:57.513,05:22:04.528
DESIGN GUIDELINES AS A REFERENCE
ADVISORY DOCUMENT IN REGARDS THE
LAND USE PLANNING AND POLICY

05:22:04.530,05:22:09.859
RECOMMENDATIONS A AMENDED AND
THAT COUNCIL ADOPT BY RESOLUTION
THE PROPOSED CENTRE CITY

05:22:09.861,05:22:15.028
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINE AS A
REFERENCE/ADVISORY DOCUMENT IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE

05:22:15.030,05:22:17.193
RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

05:22:17.195,05:22:21.059
YOU VERY MUCH.
QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION
ALDERMAN JONES?

05:22:21.061,05:22:24.196
NO.
ALL RIGHT THEN.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR

05:22:24.198,05:22:29.277
OF THIS ITEM?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOUR?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN

05:22:29.279,05:22:32.514
OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION?

05:22:32.516,05:22:38.488
ALL RIGHT THEN.
QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION.
ALDERMAN JONES?

05:22:38.490,05:22:44.560
>> WHEN I READ THIS, I HAVE
TO — AND I DON’T WANT TO BE
FLIPPANT OR SOUND CRUEL BUT IT

05:22:44.562,05:22:54.965
SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK TO GO
TO FOR 137 BIRDS A YEAR.
WHEN YOU’RE TALKING 5 TO

05:22:54.967,05:23:00.737
10 BILLION MIGRATORY BIRDS AND
WE’VE HAD ON AVERAGE 137 A YEAR,
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK.

05:23:00.739,05:23:08.312
>> THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN
RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT WE HAVE
VERY LITTLE DATA ON THIS ISSUE.

05:23:08.314,05:23:15.789
WE HAVE LIMITED DATA THAT WAS
COMPILED BY OUR LOCAL BIRD
BANDING SOCIETY IN THE 1990s

05:23:15.791,05:23:23.906
AND GIVEN THE LACK OF LOCAL
DATA, WE MADE THE DECISION TO
PROCEED BASED ON THE PERCEIVED

05:23:23.908,05:23:30.743
GLOBAL PHENOMENON AND THE
ESTIMATES OF AVIAN FATALITY THAT
ARE OCCURRING ELSEWHERE IN NORTH

05:23:30.745,05:23:36.684
AMERICA.
THE DOCUMENT AS MENTIONED IS
VOLUNTARY AND IT SEEMED TO BE

05:23:36.686,05:23:42.391
ONE OF THE RIGHT STRATEGIES TO
TAKE IN TERMS OF VARIOUS
SUSTAINABLE AND ENVIRONMENTAL

05:23:42.393,05:23:48.166
INITIATIVES HAPPENING THROUGHOUT
THE CITY.
>> SINCE I’VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE,

05:23:48.168,05:23:55.412
I’VE HAD THREE BIRDS HIT A
WINDOW AND I ASSUME BECAUSE
THEY’RE EATING THE FERMENTED

05:23:55.414,05:24:01.251
BERRY ON THE TREE OR THE
FERMENTED APPLES ON THE TREE.
IF I HAD THREE, 137 ISN’T BAD IN

05:24:01.253,05:24:05.388
THE COURSE OF TIME.
WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO?
>> EXCUSE ME?

05:24:05.390,05:24:08.554
WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO?
>> OBVIOUSLY WE’VE PROBABLY
TALKED TO TORONTO OR ANYBODY

05:24:08.556,05:24:13.192
ELSE THAT’S ON A MIGRATORY BIRD
ROUTE.
>> A LARGE NUMBER OF NORTH

05:24:13.194,05:24:17.997
AMERICAN CITIES INCLUDING
TORONTO, SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW
YORK HAVE PRODUCED FAIRLY

05:24:17.999,05:24:22.334
COMPREHENSIVE STUDIES AND
DOCUMENTS.
TORONTO’S IS FAR MORE REGULATORY

05:24:22.336,05:24:27.943
THAN OURS BUT THEIR DATA SHOWS A
MUCH LARGER PROBLEM THERE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:24:27.945,05:24:34.953
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.
AGAIN, QUESTIONS FOR

05:24:34.955,05:24:39.018
ADMINISTRATION?
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:24:39.020,05:24:50.434
AND I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS —
ADOPTING THIS DOCUMENT ARE GOING

05:24:50.436,05:24:58.272
TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
HOW DO YOU ENVISION APPLYING
THIS DOCUMENT?

05:24:58.274,05:25:03.387
>> THE DOCUMENT WILL BE USED AS
A REFERENCE DOCUMENT IN PLANNING
APPLICATIONS THAT ARE

05:25:03.389,05:25:07.885
SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS IN
THE HIGHER RISK AREAS.
PARTICULARLY BORDERING NATURAL

05:25:07.887,05:25:12.413
AREAS.
THAT’S OUTLINED IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> SO AS SOME RESOURCE

05:25:12.415,05:25:20.320
IMPLICATIONS.
>> RESOURCE IMPLICATION?
IT WILL BE USED BY STAFF.

05:25:20.322,05:25:23.017
IN CONVERSATION WITH THE
BUILDING APPLICANTS, YES.
>> THAT’S PART OF THE PROBLEM

05:25:23.019,05:25:30.595
THAT I HAD.
SECOND PROBLEM IS THAT I
CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN A FEW BIRDS

05:25:30.597,05:25:37.400
IN MY YARD AND NOT ALL OF THEM
MOVING, AND THEY WEREN’T AS A
RESULT OF RUNNING INTO GLASS BUT

05:25:37.402,05:25:43.603
RATHER AS A RESULT OF
NEIGHBOURING CATS OR THE
FREE-ROAMING CATS.

05:25:43.605,05:25:49.607
YOU’LL SEE THAT AS PROBABLY A
MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM IN REGARDS
TO THE AVIAN POPULATION THAN

05:25:49.609,05:25:52.746
THIS.
BASED ON WHAT I’VE SEEN AS THE
NUMBER.

05:25:52.748,05:25:56.779
EVEN IF THEY’RE CONSERVATIVE AND
YOU DOUBLE THEM.
THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAD WITH

05:25:56.781,05:26:04.194
THIS IS IT SEEMS VERY
TWO-DIMENSIONAL IN THINKING.
AND NOT REALLY LOOKING AT IT

05:26:04.196,05:26:11.399
FROM A BIRD’S EYE VIEW, NO PUN
INTENDED.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE

05:26:11.401,05:26:20.471
ANGLING OF THE GLASS AS AN
EXAMPLE, THAT MAY BE RELEVANT IF
YOU’RE FLYING HORIZONTAL TO THE

05:26:20.473,05:26:23.271
GLASS.
BUT IF YOU’RE FLYING UPWARDS
TOWARDS THE GLASS YOUR

05:26:23.273,05:26:27.943
PERCEPTION WOULD BE THE SAME AS
IF IT WEREN’T ANGLED WHICH IS
WHY I’M JUST WONDERING IF THIS

05:26:27.945,05:26:34.815
IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY OR
WHAT WE REALLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE
FROM IT, AND WHETHER WE

05:26:34.817,05:26:44.723
SHOULDN’T ACTUALLY BE RECEIVING
IT FOR INFORMATION AND PROVIDING
IT AS A GUIDE TO DEVELOPERS THAT

05:26:44.725,05:26:50.528
ARE INTENDING ON DEVELOPING SOME
OF THESE
ENVIRONMENTALLY-SENSITIVE AREAS.

05:26:50.530,05:26:56.910
>> IF I MAY RESPOND, THAT IS THE
INTENT, THAT IT WOULD BE USED AS
A GUIDE.

05:26:56.912,05:27:03.756
>> THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS
HOW MUCH EMPHASIS WE AS
ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING TO BE

05:27:03.758,05:27:06.558
PLACING ON THIS DOCUMENT IN
REGARDS TO APPLICATIONS MOVING
FORWARD.

05:27:06.560,05:27:15.765
I SEE IT AS A BENEFIT MAYBE TO
SOMEBODY WHO’S DEVELOPING LANDS.
I SEE IT AS A DETRIMENT FROM THE

05:27:15.767,05:27:20.267
MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE IN REGARDS
TO ALLOCATING OR ADDING ANOTHER
LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY IN REGARDS

05:27:20.269,05:27:26.168
TO REVIEWING SOME OF OUR
APPLICATIONS.
>> IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT AS

05:27:26.170,05:27:30.778
WELL, THAT WAS ALSO THE CONCERN
OF CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION
AND WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, HOW

05:27:30.780,05:27:37.025
THE DOCUMENT WOULD BE USED, AND
HENCE THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS
ADDED TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT

05:27:37.027,05:27:42.387
THE DOCUMENT BE ADOPTED AS A
REFERENCE/ADVISORY DOCUMENT
ONLY.

05:27:42.389,05:27:47.801
IT’S REALLY JUST A PART OF A
LEARNING CURVE WE HAVE ABOUT HOW
THESE ISSUES ARE IMPACTED BY

05:27:47.803,05:27:55.911
BUILDINGS AND REALLY IT’S INTENT
IS TO PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS FOR
LARGER DEVELOPMENTS PARTICULARLY

05:27:55.913,05:28:00.821
DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY EMPLOY
LARGE AREAS OF REFLECTIVE GLASS.
THIS BUILDING BEING A GOOD

05:28:00.823,05:28:03.823
EXAMPLE.
WE GET A FAIR NUMBER OF BIRD
KILL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS

05:28:03.825,05:28:08.852
BUILDING.
IT’S NOT MEANT TO IMPACT THE
SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS OR

05:28:08.854,05:28:12.252
DEVELOPMENTS THAT AREN’T
ANYWHERE NEAR ANY KIND OF
NATURAL AREAS THAT MIGHT BE

05:28:12.254,05:28:16.158
HIGHER RISK.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE.
NOW, YOUR WORSHIP, BEING AS IT

05:28:16.160,05:28:22.792
WAS A JOINT PRESENTATION, I
WONDER IF I CAN THEN ASK
QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY RELATED

05:28:22.794,05:28:33.465
TO THE ILLUMINATION DOCUMENT.
AND, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS.

05:28:33.467,05:28:42.640
THE IMPLEMENTATION IS A LITTLE
MORE RIGOROUS IN THIS INSTANCE
IN REGARDS TO THE LIGHTING

05:28:42.642,05:28:47.780
RECOMMENDATIONS?
THE REASON I’M ASKING THAT
QUESTION IS BECAUSE I SAW IN

05:28:47.782,05:28:55.677
HERE SOMEWHERE IF I CAN FIND THE
STARTING POINT OF THIS DOCUMENT,
IS THIS 9.3?

05:28:55.679,05:29:02.352
[Inaudible]
IT’S ALL UNDER 9.2.
I HAD HIGHLIGHTED — MAYBE IT’S

05:29:02.354,05:29:08.624
WITHIN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF ON
IMPLEMENTATION.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT HOW IT’S

05:29:08.626,05:29:16.004
GOING TO BE CIRCULATED THROUGH
ADMINISTRATION.
IT SAYS IMPLEMENTATION.

05:29:16.006,05:29:25.354
ILLUMINATION PROJECTS ARE PURELY
VOLUNTARY.
BUILDINGS OR PROPERTIES RUN…

05:29:25.356,05:29:30.752
(.
[Indiscernible]
THEN IT SAYS IDEALLY, PROPERTY

05:29:30.754,05:29:35.522
OWNERS AND MANAGERS, LIGHTING
SPECIALISTS, THE CITY OF
CALGARY, URBAN DESIGN

05:29:35.524,05:29:41.759
REPRESENTATIVES AND CONSULTANTS
MEET BEFORE THE PERMIT’S
SUBMISSION AND AGREE ON THE BEST

05:29:41.761,05:29:48.101
ILLUMINATION STRATEGIES FOR THE
SITE BASED ON THIS GUIDELINE’S
RECOMMENDATION.

05:29:48.103,05:29:55.487
AGAIN, I’M A LITTLE WARY OF THE
RESOURCE INTENSITY ASSOCIATED
WITH REVIEWING THE LIGHTING

05:29:55.489,05:29:59.519
CONDITIONS THAT WE WILL
ATTRIBUTE TO A PARTICULAR
DEVELOPMENT.

05:29:59.521,05:30:03.789
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS
ALSO RAISED AT CPC?
>> IT WAS.

05:30:03.791,05:30:08.894
IT WAS RAISED IN THE SAME WAY AS
FOR THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT AND IN
FACT THE RESOLUTION IS THE SAME,

05:30:08.896,05:30:14.269
THAT IT BE TREATED AS A
REFERENCE/ADVISORY DOCUMENT.
THAT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT WITH

05:30:14.271,05:30:18.039
THIS DOCUMENT IS THAT IT’S
ESSENTIALLY A CATALOGUE OF
IDEAS.

05:30:18.041,05:30:24.621
HOW TO LIGHT BUILDINGS MORE
EFFICIENTLY USING MORE CURRENT
TECHNOLOGY, USING LESS ENERGY

05:30:24.623,05:30:29.224
BUT DO IT IN A MUCH MORE
PLANNED, DESIGNED AND INTENDED
KIND OF WAY.

05:30:29.226,05:30:37.759
WE HAVE A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT
ARE ASKING ABOUT THE USE OF
EXPERIENTIALAL LIGHTING ON

05:30:37.761,05:30:43.636
BUILDING APPLICATIONS.
THIS HELPS US TO HELP GIVE THEM
SOME DIRECTION.

05:30:43.638,05:30:51.677
>> AND I PLEASURE TH APPRECIATEE
WORDING IS ALL RELATIVE TO
SHOULD AS OPPOSED TO SHALL.

05:30:51.679,05:30:59.584
SUCH AS ON PAGE 9, PROJECT
EVALUATION.
NONETHELESS, AISLE I’M A LITTLE

05:30:59.586,05:31:06.798
CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORDING OF
THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS — OR
THE MOTION WHICH IS ADOPT BY

05:31:06.800,05:31:13.034
RESOLUTION.
JUST WONDERING WHY IT HAS TO BE
ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION.

05:31:13.036,05:31:18.143
[Inaudible]
>> YOUR WORSHIP, COUNCIL CAN
ONLY ACT BY BYLAW OR RESOLUTION.

05:31:18.145,05:31:23.019
AND WHEN THE MUNICIPAL
GOVERNMENT ACT DOESN’T SPECIFY
WHICH WAY COUNCIL MUST ACT,

05:31:23.021,05:31:28.269
THERE’S A CHOICE.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING MY
EXPERIENCE IS THAT WHEN IT’S A

05:31:28.271,05:31:36.488
CHOICE, A RESOLUTION IS
SELECTED.
>> AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, MISS

05:31:36.490,05:31:40.960
SLOAN.
AND THEREIN LIES MY DILEMMA.
WE ARE IN ESSENCE APPROVING A

05:31:40.962,05:31:46.704
DOCUMENT THAT IS ONLY INTENDED
TO BE USED AS A GUIDELINE.
DO WE NEED TO ADOPT IT BY

05:31:46.706,05:31:50.313
RESOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO JUST
RECEIVE IT FOR INFORMATION THEN?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, IF COUNCIL

05:31:50.315,05:31:55.581
DOESN’T ADOPT IT, THEN IT REALLY
DOESN’T HAVE ANY ENDORSEMENT
BEHIND IT.

05:31:55.583,05:32:01.321
AND SO IT WILL HAVE MORE
CREDENCE, SO TO SPEAK, IF
COUNCIL ADOPTS IT THAN IF IT’S

05:32:01.323,05:32:07.587
JUST PRESENTED FOR INFORMATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WE
REALLY DO ADOPT THINGS THAT ARE

05:32:07.589,05:32:12.797
CALLED GUIDELINES, RIGHT?
AND THEY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT
MEANING THAN ADOPTING

05:32:12.799,05:32:15.900
SOMETHING — A BYLAW, FOR
EXAMPLE.
>> BUT RESPECTFULLY, YOUR

05:32:15.902,05:32:21.802
WORSHIP, A LOT OF THE GUIDELINES
THAT WE’VE ADOPTED ARE
FREQUENTLY USED TO ARGUE FOR OR

05:32:21.804,05:32:28.915
AGAINST A PARTICULAR
DEVELOPMENT.
EVEN IF IT IS A GUIDELINE.

05:32:28.917,05:32:31.714
[Inaudible]
YES, I KNOW.
ARGUED FOR OR AGAINST A

05:32:31.716,05:32:37.381
PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THIS IS INTENDED TO BE
USED JUST AS A GUIDELINE AND NOT

05:32:37.383,05:32:43.817
A STATUTORY DOCUMENT THAT HAS
ANY FORCE AND EFFECT IN REGARDS
TO OBLIGATING A PARTICULAR

05:32:43.819,05:32:48.887
DEVELOPMENT FROM OCCURRING IN A
PARTICULAR FASHION, THAT’S THE
CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH

05:32:48.889,05:32:54.028
ADOPTING IT BY RESOLUTION.
BECAUSE IT IN ESSENCE WHAT I’VE
HEARD HERE TODAY IS THAT IT WILL

05:32:54.030,05:33:01.737
HAVE NO FORCE AND EFFECT IN
REGARDS TO REQUIRING A
DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR IN A

05:33:01.739,05:33:06.473
PARTICULAR FASHION.
AM I INCORRECT IN THAT
ASSUMPTION?

05:33:06.475,05:33:09.648
>> IT CERTAINLY IS UP TO COUNCIL
IF THEY WISH TO ADOPT THIS BY
BYLAW.

05:33:09.650,05:33:14.892
THEY CAN ADOPT IT BY EITHER IF A
METHOD ISN’T SPECIFIED.
BUT DOING SO WON’T REALLY GIVE

05:33:14.894,05:33:23.840
IT ANY MORE AUTHORITY.
THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT YOU
NORMALLY ADOPT BY BYLAW INCLUDE

05:33:23.842,05:33:29.713
STATUTORY PLANS AND LAND USE
REDESIGNATION.
AND THAT’S PAUS BECAUSE THE MUNL

05:33:29.715,05:33:33.210
GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES THOSE
DOCUMENTS AS HAVING AN OFFICIAL
STATUS AND THERE’S ACTUALLY

05:33:33.212,05:33:37.542
PROVISIONS IN THE ACT THAT
REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE
DOCUMENTS.

05:33:37.544,05:33:41.214
THERE’S NOTHING IN THE ACT THAT
SPEAKS TO DOCUMENTS SUCH AS
THIS.

05:33:41.216,05:33:50.901
SO WHAT THIS DOCUMENT DOES IS
PROVIDES DIRECTION AND
ASSISSTANCE TO TH THE APPROVING

05:33:50.903,05:33:53.930
AUTHORITY AND EXPRESSES A
GENERAL INTENT OF COUNCIL TO
THOSE WHO ARE DEVELOPING AND

05:33:53.932,05:33:57.469
OPERATING CERTAIN TYPES OF
BUILDINGS.
>> I’D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE

05:33:57.471,05:34:04.909
IN ADOPTING THE CENTRE CITY
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINES AND
RECEIVING THE BIRD-FRIENDLY

05:34:04.911,05:34:10.015
URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR
INFORMATION THAN ADOPTING BOTH
BY RESOLUTION AND THAT’S I GUESS

05:34:10.017,05:34:16.390
PART OF MY CHALLENGE.
Mr. WATSON, ANY IDEA ON HOW
MUCH ADDED TIME THIS WILL

05:34:16.392,05:34:22.161
REPRESENT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT IN
REGARDS TO REVIEWING IT FROM
BOTH PERSPECTIVES?

05:34:22.163,05:34:24.955
>> EXCELLENT QUESTION.
I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO ADD
ANY MORE TIME AT ALL.

05:34:24.957,05:34:30.251
IT’S A MATTER OF THESE — AS
Mr. DOWN HAS POINTED OUT ARE
SOME OF THE THINGS WE’VE BEEN

05:34:30.253,05:34:34.226
DISCUSSING WITH APPLICANTS OVER
THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY SPEED THE

05:34:34.228,05:34:39.796
DISCUSSION UP BECAUSE WE’LL HAVE
GUIDELINES TO BOUND THAT
DISCUSSION.

05:34:39.798,05:34:45.035
SO I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY
POSITIVE IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS
AS OPPOSED TO A NEGATIVE.

05:34:45.037,05:34:50.006
>> GREATER CLARITY ON BOTH
ISSUES MOVING FORWARD SO THAT
THERE’S LESS ARBITRARY KIND OF

05:34:50.008,05:34:54.715
DISCUSSIONS THAT MAY OCCUR?
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT THE INTENT
IS?

05:34:54.717,05:34:58.992
>> EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> I’LL SIT DOWN AND LISTEN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.

05:34:58.994,05:35:04.723
>> THANK YOU.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO MOVE IT,
BUT MAYBE I SHOULD ASK A COUPLE

05:35:04.725,05:35:08.986
OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT
GENERATES A LOT OF INTEREST, OF
COURSE.

05:35:08.988,05:35:17.524
IT’S AN INTERESTING TOPIC.
BUT, Mr. DOWN, THE — WE’RE IN
A MIGRATORY PATH, ARE WE, THE

05:35:17.526,05:35:23.762
CITY OF CALGARY?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WE ARE ACTUALLY
IN TWO OF THE FOUR MAIN NORTH

05:35:23.764,05:35:33.436
AMERICAN MIGRATORY PATHS HERE.
>> SO — AND WHAT HAPPENS TO
BIRDS — WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT

05:35:33.438,05:35:36.943
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE
STRIKES IN PEOPLE’S FRONT ROOM
WINDOWS.

05:35:36.945,05:35:41.690
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT MORE URBAN
AREAS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE
REALLY WELL-LIT AND CAN YOU

05:35:41.692,05:35:46.628
PLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN BIRDS ARE GOING
THROUGH THEIR MIGRATION AND WHY

05:35:46.630,05:35:56.137
THEY’RE ATTRACTED TO THE CORE?
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP.
THE — IF I MAY, THE DOCUMENT

05:35:56.139,05:36:04.043
DOES TALK IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
DETAIL ABOUT MIGRATORY PERIODS
AND THE CONFUSION THAT’S CREATED

05:36:04.045,05:36:11.653
BY OVERLIT URBAN AREAS, ALSO THE
CONFUSION CREATED BY THE
REFLECTIVE BUILDING SURFACES

05:36:11.655,05:36:17.862
THAT PREVENT THE BIRDS FROM
FOLLOWING IN THEIR TYPICAL
MIGRATORY PATH, SEND THEM IN

05:36:17.864,05:36:25.603
CIRCLES IN URBAN AREAS,
SOMETIMES EXHAUST THEM AND
CONFUSE THEM.

05:36:25.605,05:36:31.417
THIS IS INFORMATION THAT’S BEEN
GATHERED FROM ELSEWHERE,
PARTICULARLY TORONTO AND

05:36:31.419,05:36:35.525
SWITZERLAND.
WE HIRED THE CONSULTANT THAT
WORKED ON THE TORONTO GUIDELINE

05:36:35.527,05:36:40.888
TO ASSIST US WITH US.
UNFORTUNATELY AS I SAY WE DON’T
HAVE LOCAL MIGRATORY COUNTS AND

05:36:40.890,05:36:47.392
WE DON’T HAVE LOCAL AVIAN
FATALITY COUNTS.
WE STAND BEHIND THE SCIENCE OF

05:36:47.394,05:36:52.299
IT AS STRONGLY AS THEY CAN IN
TORONTO.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE

05:36:52.301,05:36:57.428
PLANNING COMISSION’S CONCERN
WITH THE DOCUMENT BEING TOO
REGULATORY.

05:36:57.430,05:37:06.313
HENCE THIS UNIQUE LANGUAGE WAS
ADDED THAT IT BE TREATED AS A
REFERENCE/ADVISORY DOCUMENT DONE

05:37:06.315,05:37:12.786
AT PLANNING COMISSION’S REQUEST.
>> IF THE DOCUMENT WAS WEAKEN
ANY MORE, WE’D BE SAYING IGNORE

05:37:12.788,05:37:18.922
THIS DOCUMENT.
IT’S VERY MODERATE LANGUAGE THAT
HIGHLIGHTS IT AS AN ISSUE, HERE

05:37:18.924,05:37:25.719
ARE SOME SOLUTIONS, IF YOU
CHOOSE TO ADOPT THEM.
WE’VE DONE SOME RESEARCH FROM

05:37:25.721,05:37:30.996
OTHER CITY.
>> IT RAISES AWARENESS OF THE
ISSUE AND IF A PLANNER SEES A

05:37:30.998,05:37:34.926
PARTICULARLY GLARING EXAMPLE OF
A LARGE POTENTIALLY MIRRORED
GLASS FACADE FACING A NATURAL

05:37:34.928,05:37:40.535
AREA, THEY CAN USE THIS DOCUMENT
TO PROVIDE SOME IDEAS ON HOW
THAT — THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS

05:37:40.537,05:37:46.769
MIGHT BE MITIGATED.
CITIES LIKE TORONTO AND NEW YORK
ARE HANDLING THIS ISSUE NOW WHEN

05:37:46.771,05:37:50.974
THEY’RE MUCH LARGER AND DENSER
THAN WE ARE.
I THINK WE’RE AHEAD OF THE GAME

05:37:50.976,05:37:55.071
HERE BY RAISING AWARENESS OF THE
ISSUE WHEN WE’RE STILL
DEVELOPING TO THAT SIZE AND

05:37:55.073,05:38:04.283
DENSITY OF CITY AND WE CAN
PERHAPS HANDLE THE PROBLEM IN A
MORE AWARE FASHION THAN SOME OF

05:38:04.285,05:38:07.019
THOSE CITIES ARE DOING, HANDLING
IT AFTER THE FACT.
>> THANK YOU.

05:38:07.021,05:38:12.856
SO, Mr. MAYOR, WHEN IS IT
APPROPRIATE TO MOVE THE ITEM?
SHOULD I MOVE IT NOW?

05:38:12.858,05:38:17.519
[Inaudible]
QUESTIONS FIRST?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’D

05:38:17.521,05:38:21.626
LIKE TO TAKE QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION BEFORE WE PUT THE
MOTION ON THE FLOOR, I CAN

05:38:21.628,05:38:27.803
RECOGNIZE YOU AGAIN.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION?

05:38:27.805,05:38:34.481
>> AND THANK YOU.
BOY, THIS TAGS ON TWO THINGS FOR
ME.

05:38:34.483,05:38:38.754
BEFORE I GOT HERE I WAS A
LIGHTING DESIGNER FOR 20 YEARS.
SO HOORAY.

05:38:38.756,05:38:44.615
AND ALSO CAME VERY CLOSE TO
BECOMING AN ORNITHOLOGIST.
SO HOORAY.

05:38:44.617,05:38:48.011
AND I’M GLAD THAT THEY’RE BEING
BROUGHT TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK
THEY ARE COMPLEMENTARY.

05:38:48.013,05:38:52.944
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING
THAT.
I ALSO THINK IT’S ABOUT TIME.

05:38:52.946,05:38:58.350
AS SHAKESPEARE SAID, IF ALL THE
WORLD’S A STAGE, I WANT BETTER
LIGHTING.

05:38:58.352,05:39:10.727
THIS HOPEFULLY WILL GET US
THERE.
A QUESTION AROUND HOW…

05:39:10.729,05:39:17.876
DID YOU IN LOOKING AT THE
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINES CONSIDER
THINGS LIKE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS

05:39:17.878,05:39:22.120
OR — AS TO MIX METAPHORS THE
CACOPHONY OF LIGHTING THAT WE
HAVE.

05:39:22.122,05:39:30.091
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION
GIVEN TO THAT?
>> WE DID LOOK AT THE CUMULATIVE

05:39:30.093,05:39:36.129
EFFECTS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND
YOU’LL NOTE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT
IT STRESSES LIGHTING USED AS

05:39:36.131,05:39:42.272
PUNCTUATION AND IT TALKS ABOUT
CONTRASTING LIT AREAS WITH AREAS
OF DARKNESS JUST IN ORDER THAT

05:39:42.274,05:39:47.307
IT DOESN’T BECOME A CACOPHONY OF
LIGHTING UNLESS THAT’S THE
INTENT FOR A PARTICULAR

05:39:47.309,05:39:55.816
DISTRICT, SAY AN ENTERTAINMENT
DISTRICT.
THERE IS A FURTHER REQUIREMENT

05:39:55.818,05:40:00.953
HERE IN ORDER TO CRYSTALLIZE THE
IDEA OF A MASTER PLAN OF
LIGHTING, SO TO SPEAK.

05:40:00.955,05:40:07.099
IF ONE WOULD REALLY HAVE TO
DETERMINE WHERE THE MOST LIT
AREAS SHOULD BE AND WHERE THE

05:40:07.101,05:40:14.370
LESSER LIT AREAS SHOULD BE.
THIS DOCUMENT JUST TALKS ABOUT
CIVIC BUILDINGS, LANDMARKS,

05:40:14.372,05:40:19.507
PUNCTUATION POINTS, AREAS OF
DISTINCTIVENESS.
IF YOU WANT TO LIGHT THOSE IN A

05:40:19.509,05:40:28.423
MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND MORE
DISTINCTIVE WAY IN ORDER TO
BRING MORE VITALITY OR ANIMATION

05:40:28.425,05:40:34.987
TO THE STREETSCAPE AND SKYLINE
HE’S HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT
NECESSARILY DECIDING EVERYWHERE

05:40:34.989,05:40:40.715
THAT THAT’S GOING TO BE.
>> OKAY.
SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO — FOR

05:40:40.717,05:40:46.290
CITY SITES AND, SAY, PARKS
DEPARTMENT AND WHATEVER AS WELL?
JUST FOR THEM TO USE AS A

05:40:46.292,05:40:50.462
GUIDELINE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
IT COULD APPLY TO — AND PERHAPS

05:40:50.464,05:40:55.929
SHOULD APPLY TO ANY CITY SITES
WHERE WE WANT SOME EXPERIENTIAL
LIGHTING ADDED AND CAN BE

05:40:55.931,05:41:01.906
PRESENTED AS SUGGESTIONS FOR
PRIVATE SITES.
>> WHAT ABOUT THINGS — AND ONE

05:41:01.908,05:41:07.341
OF THE AREAS THAT I THINK THE
LIGHTING IS QUITE HORRIBLE ON IS
STEPHEN AVENUE.

05:41:07.343,05:41:14.954
AND IT’S A PRIME EXAMPLE FOR ME
OF JUST ADDING LIGHT UPON LIGHT
UPON LIGHT.

05:41:14.956,05:41:22.026
WHERE DOES THE RESPONSIBILITY
FALL ON SOMETHING LIKE STEPHEN
AVENUE AND SAY THE LIGHT

05:41:22.028,05:41:28.400
FIXTURES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO
THE TOP OF THE STREETLIGHTS TO
LIGHT BUILDINGS?

05:41:28.402,05:41:30.768
WHERE DOES THAT RESPONSIBILITY
FALL?
>> THAT’S A VERY GOOD QUESTION,

05:41:30.770,05:41:34.532
AND I BELIEVE THAT
RESPONSIBILITY FALLS WITH US.
I THINK THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN

05:41:34.534,05:41:38.536
PROVIDED AT THE REQUEST OF
BUILDING OWNERS.
BUT THE CITY OF CALGARY HAS

05:41:38.538,05:41:42.904
PROVIDED THEM AND I BELIEVE PAYS
FOR THE POWER.
AND THAT’S ONE GOOD EXAMPLE OF

05:41:42.906,05:41:47.001
LIGHTING THAT’S DONE POORLY AND
INEFFICIENTLY.
ENERGY INEFFICIENTLY AND JUST AN

05:41:47.003,05:41:51.208
INEFFICIENT USE OF LIGHTING.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF BUILDING
FACADES IN PARTICULAR THAT COULD

05:41:51.210,05:41:59.022
BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THE
SUGGESTIONS IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> OKAY.

05:41:59.024,05:42:06.593
IS THERE ANY WAY OF, SAY, USING
THIS DOCUMENT TO GO BACK AND
SAY — AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY,

05:42:06.595,05:42:13.606
SAY, WITH THE DOWNTOWN
ASSOCIATION, THE DOWNTOWN BRZ OR
TO USE THIS DOCUMENT AS A

05:42:13.608,05:42:18.975
JUMPING OFF POINT TO ACTUALLY
START GETTING EXISTING LIGHTING
BETTER OR BETTER EXISTING

05:42:18.977,05:42:26.048
LIGHTING?
>> THE GENESIS OF THIS DOCUMENT
WAS ACTUALLY INTO THESE TWO

05:42:26.050,05:42:28.517
PROJECTS THAT WE’RE ALREADY
WORKING ON WITH THE CALGARY
DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION.

05:42:28.519,05:42:32.762
ONE IS TO RELIGHT THE METAL TREE
SCULPTURES IN THE 300 WEST
BLOCK.

05:42:32.764,05:42:36.131
THE LIGHTING ON THOSE HAS
FAILED.
AND THEY NEED AN UPDATED

05:42:36.133,05:42:40.168
LIGHTING SYSTEM.
SO THE RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO
DETERMINING A NEW LIGHTING

05:42:40.170,05:42:43.638
SYSTEM FOR THAT AS WELL AS THE
RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO
DETERMINING A NEW LIGHTING

05:42:43.640,05:42:50.648
SYSTEM FOR THE CENTRE STREET
BRIDGE WHICH WAS OFFERED AS A
CENTENNIAL PROJECT TO CHINATOWN,

05:42:50.650,05:42:55.322
THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE
TECHNICAL WORK THAT WENT INTO
INFORMING THE DOCUMENT.

05:42:55.324,05:42:58.620
THIS ONE WAS KIND OF A QUICK
WIN.
WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF WORK DONE

05:42:58.622,05:43:02.852
AND COULD PUT TOGETHER SOME
RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT
WE’VE LEARNED THROUGH OUR WORK

05:43:02.854,05:43:09.090
WITH THAT CONSULTANT.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT — YOU
TALK ABOUT THE MX AND CONTROL IN

05:43:09.092,05:43:18.705
HERE.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AROUND
TAKING THE DMX AND LINKING IT UP

05:43:18.707,05:43:23.441
BEYOND BUILDING BY BUILDING AND
BEING ABLE TO LINK IT TOGETHER?
>> THERE CERTAINLY WAS THAT

05:43:23.443,05:43:28.516
DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE’VE SEEN
THAT HAPPEN — OR BE DONE VERY
EFFECTIVELY IN OTHER CITIES.

05:43:28.518,05:43:34.048
MONTREAL IS A SPECTACULAR
EXAMPLE OF THAT.
BUT NONE OF THAT LEVEL OF

05:43:34.050,05:43:37.482
TECHNICAL DETAIL WENT INTO THE
DOCUMENT.
>> OKAY.

05:43:37.484,05:43:44.925
THANK YOU.
BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW IF PEOPLE
ARE AWARE BUT HOW FAR BEHIND THE

05:43:44.927,05:43:49.426
TIMES WE ARE WHEN IT COMES TO
LIGHTING OUR CITY AND LIGHTING
OUR DOWNTOWN AND LIGHTING OUR

05:43:49.428,05:43:54.532
BUILDINGS.
IT’S BEEN A HARD SLOG TO TRY AND
DO ANY LIGHTING IN CALGARY FOR

05:43:54.534,05:44:04.043
YEARS.
AS YOU SAID, Mr. DOWN, THIS
RAISES ITS IMPORTANCE AND ITS

05:44:04.045,05:44:08.814
VALUE AND SORT OF PUTS A
PUNCTUATION MARK ON IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND I

05:44:08.816,05:44:16.086
APPRECIATE IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

05:44:16.088,05:44:21.889
ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> A LOT OF MY CONCERNS SEEM TO
MIRROR ALDERMAN CHABOT’S

05:44:21.891,05:44:27.888
CONCERNS WHICH SOMEWHAT
FRIGHTENS ME.
BUT THERE’S SEVERAL REFERENCES

05:44:27.890,05:44:34.495
IN HERE THAT MAKE ME CONCERNED.
YOU’RE COMMENTING THAT IT’S
BEING USED AS AN ADVISORY

05:44:34.497,05:44:41.306
REFERENCE SPECIFICALLY.
PAGE 5 ON THE ILLUMINATION ON
GUIDELINE 4.

05:44:41.308,05:44:46.711
IT SAYS WILL LIGHTING OF THE
ELEMENT BE RESTRICTED DUE TO
SOME OTHER CONSIDERATION, FOR

05:44:46.713,05:44:53.521
EXAMPLE BIRD MIGRATORY PATTERNS.
ARE WE ALREADY SUGGESTING WE’RE
GOING TO BE USING THIS AS A —

05:44:53.523,05:44:57.292
MORE THAN A GUIDELINE TO SAY YOU
CAN’T DO THAT BECAUSE HAD IS IN
THIS GUIDELINE, THEREFORE YOU

05:44:57.294,05:45:05.289
CAN’T BE DOING THAT.
IT’S THESE KIND OF ISSUES THAT
MAKE ME VERY CONCERNED.

05:45:05.291,05:45:13.332
>> I THINK THAT PARTICULAR
QUESTION THAT’S RAISED BY THAT
GUIDELINE, IT JUST SUGGESTS THAT

05:45:13.334,05:45:17.901
IN PROPOSING LIGHTING — IT’S
UNDER THE 2.1 CREATING CONTRAST
SECTION.

05:45:17.903,05:45:23.913
IN PROPOSING THE LIGHTING, ARE
THERE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT
NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO

05:45:23.915,05:45:29.552
INFLUENCE THE DECISION TO USE
THE LIGHTING OR NOT.
THE DOCUMENT DOESN’T RESTRICT

05:45:29.554,05:45:32.393
LIGHTING, IT DOESN’T REQUIRE
LIGHT.
>> NO, BUT IT DOESN’T RESTRICT

05:45:32.395,05:45:38.365
LIGHTING BUT IT IS SUGGESTING
THAT IT MIGHT BE RESTRICTED DUE
TO A COMPANION DOCUMENT, THE

05:45:38.367,05:45:43.203
BIRD MIGRATORY PATTERN DOCUMENT
WHICH BRINGS UP SOMETHING THAT
ALDERMAN PINCOTT HAD MENTIONED,

05:45:43.205,05:45:52.575
YOUR COMMENT ON A LARGE PANE OF
GLASS AT PLANNING BEING
MITIGATED, SO TO SPEAK.

05:45:52.577,05:45:58.214
SO WOULD THIS IN MANY CASES HOLD
UP AND/OR DELAY APPROVALS
BECAUSE OF THESE SPECIFIC

05:45:58.216,05:46:03.024
SITUATIONS?
>> I THINK AS Mr. WATSON
ALREADY POINTED OUT, IT SHOULD

05:46:03.026,05:46:08.602
SPEED UP THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE
WE DO SOMETIMES GET A LITTLE
DELAYED AT PLANNING COMMISSION

05:46:08.604,05:46:13.674
WITH THE DISCUSSIONS OF BOTH OF
THESE ISSUES.
AND I THINK WITH THE INFORMATION

05:46:13.676,05:46:18.610
INFORMING THE DISCUSSION WITH
THE APPLICANT IN ADVANCE, WE
SHOULD SPEED THINGS UP.

05:46:18.612,05:46:23.417
>> SO RIGHT NOW THAT LARGE PANE
OF GLASS WOULD BE PUT BACK ONTO
THE DEVELOPER AND SAY YOU CAN’T

05:46:23.419,05:46:34.349
DO THAT BECAUSE WE’RE CONCERNED
ABOUT BIRD CONCERNS, ET CETERA?
>> COULD YOU RESTATE THE

05:46:34.351,05:46:39.792
QUESTION?
>> I’M WONDERING — I’M
CONCERNED FOR A SIMPLE SITUATION

05:46:39.794,05:46:47.045
SUCH AS YOU’VE GOT — AS WAS
SCRIESE OH DESCRIBED A LARGE PAE
OF GLASS AND IT WOULD BE

05:46:47.047,05:46:55.687
MITIGATED USING THIS BIRD REVIEW
THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOULDN’T
NECESSARY LIE USE THAT BECAUSE

05:46:55.689,05:47:02.551
IT WOULD BE DISADVANTAGEOUS FOR
MIGRATORY BIRD PATTERNS.
ARE WE SUGGESTING SOMETHING LIKE

05:47:02.553,05:47:07.027
THAT WOULD BE HELD UP WITHOUT
THIS REFERENCE GUIDE?
>> I DON’T THINK ANYTHING’S

05:47:07.029,05:47:11.092
BEING HELD UP.
WE DO ENTER INTO, SOMETIMES,
LONG DISCUSSIONS WHICH PERHAPS

05:47:11.094,05:47:18.496
ADDS TO THE LENGTH OF TIME — I
MEAN, WE HAVE A DISCRETIONARY
BYLAW AND WHEN PEOPLE COME IN

05:47:18.498,05:47:23.335
WITH DESIGN, THERE ARE TIMES
WHEN WE SAY, WELL, HAVE YOU
THOUGHT ABOUT ILLUMINATION?

05:47:23.337,05:47:26.173
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT BIRD
GUIDELINES?
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF

05:47:26.175,05:47:30.178
THESE ISSUES THAT OTHER NORTH
AMERICAN CITIES ARE THINKING
ABOUT.

05:47:30.180,05:47:35.581
AND THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH.
WITH THIS, WE HAVE A STARTING
POINT FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS

05:47:35.583,05:47:41.183
OPPOSED TO DEPENDING WHO THE
PLANNER IS OR WHO THE ARCHITECT
IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.

05:47:41.185,05:47:49.831
I CERTAINLY CAN’T POINT TO ANY
PARTICULAR APPLICATION,
Mr. DOWN MIGHT, THAT WE ARE

05:47:49.833,05:47:53.667
HOLDING UP WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE
WE ARE ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE.
BUT THIS I THINK WILL SPEED UP

05:47:53.669,05:48:00.810
THE CONVERSATIONS, NOT SLOW THEM
DOWN.
>> ON PAGE 4 IT STATES THAT ALL

05:48:00.812,05:48:03.645
STAKEHOLDERS WERE INVOLVED IN
THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS
INCLUDING…

05:48:03.647,05:48:08.983
[Indiscernible]
DID WE GET ANY PROJECTIONS OR
ESTIMATES OF WHAT THIS MIGHT

05:48:08.985,05:48:13.314
COST ON NEW BUILDINGS OR
POSSIBLY RETROFITTING?
[Inaudible]

05:48:13.316,05:48:23.531
>> YES.
IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE
DID NOT ESTIMATE WHAT THE COST

05:48:23.533,05:48:28.346
WOULD BE OF CHANGING YOUR
BUILDING IN RESPONSE TO THE
GUIDELINES BECAUSE WE DON’T

05:48:28.348,05:48:32.884
IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY
COST IMPLICATION AT ALL.
IT COULD MAKE THE BUILDING COST

05:48:32.886,05:48:36.754
LESS.
IT’S A CHANGE IN PERHAPS THE
REFLECTIVE QUALITY OF THE GLASS

05:48:36.756,05:48:42.686
IN SOME INSTANCES OR IT’S A
CHANGE IN THE LOCATION OF THE
TREES IN OTHER INSTANCES.

05:48:42.688,05:48:47.028
IT SHOULDN’T REALLY HAVE ANY
EFFECT ON THE CONSTRUCTION
COST —

05:48:47.030,05:48:53.202
>> BUT DID WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS
THIS WITH A AS YOU SAY THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND THEY AGREE WITH

05:48:53.204,05:48:56.276
YOU THEY DON’T BELIEVE THERE
WOULD BE ANY COST IMPLICATIONS
TO IT?

05:48:56.278,05:49:02.317
>> THERE IS A PERCEIVED COST
IMPLICATION OF THE — OF
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF

05:49:02.319,05:49:07.154
MULLIONS IN A WALL OF GLASS.
THAT’S JUST ONE OF A NUMBER OF
POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO DEALING

05:49:07.156,05:49:17.535
WITH THE PROBLEM.
>> OKAY.
I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN OVER ON

05:49:17.537,05:49:21.537
GUIDELINE 10 LOCATING THE
INTERIOR LANDSCAPING AWAY FROM
WINDOWS.

05:49:21.539,05:49:25.874
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE
MIGHT BE A CONCERN FROM A
BIRD-FRIENDLY SITUATION.

05:49:25.876,05:49:31.378
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY
PREVIOUS HISTORY THAT THE PLANTS
WILL NOT DO NEARLY AS WELL IF

05:49:31.380,05:49:35.076
YOU DON’T HAVE THEM NEAR THE
WINDOWS TO ACCEPT THE DIRECT
SUNLIGHT.

05:49:35.078,05:49:41.251
AND I’VE GOT TO ADMIT, THE
STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE
SHOWING HOW MUCH STRESS RELIEF A

05:49:41.253,05:49:47.683
HEALTHY AND VIBRANT PLANTS ON AN
INDOOR AREA IS GOOD FOR THE
HUMAN BODY, I’M NOT SURE WHERE I

05:49:47.685,05:49:53.389
CAN BALANCE THOSE TWO.
TO HAVE THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE LOBBY, I CAN GUARANTEE THEY

05:49:53.391,05:49:58.585
WON’T THRIVE NEARLY AS WELL.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH
GUIDELINE 10 IN THAT RESPECT.

05:49:58.587,05:50:03.025
YEAH.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.

05:50:04.964,05:50:10.672
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, ALDERMAN DEMONG.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?

05:50:10.674,05:50:14.540
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
WE HAVE A 6 O’CLOCK —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I AM

05:50:14.542,05:50:20.017
ABOUT TO SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE
OUR RECESS AFTER THE
CONTINUATION OF THIS —

05:50:20.019,05:50:24.858
CONCLUSION THIS ITEM SO THAT
ADMINISTRATION DOESN’T HAVE TO
STICK AROUND.

05:50:24.860,05:50:28.853
>> MAY I JUST HAVE TWO MINUTES
OFF LINE WITH Mr. DOWN AFTER
WE’VE ADJOURNED?

05:50:28.855,05:50:31.685
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I JUST

05:50:31.687,05:50:39.122
SAID THAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOT
RECESS UNTIL AFTER WE’VE
COMPLETED THIS ITEM SO

05:50:39.124,05:50:42.461
Mr. DOWN DOESN’T HAVE TO STICK
AROUND.
>> I’M PREPARED TO SAY MY

05:50:42.463,05:50:48.564
QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED.
>> AnswerASKEDAND
ANSWERED.

05:50:48.566,05:50:51.941
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DONE.
ALDERMAN HODGES, QUESTIONS?
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:50:51.943,05:50:55.576
WE STILL HAVE THAT ITEM THAT WAS
TABLED.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I KNOW

05:50:55.578,05:51:02.858
THAT.
I FIGURED AT LEAST WE COULD LET
Mr. DOWN GO.

05:51:02.860,05:51:04.758
[Inaudible]
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: IF
WE’RE DONE.

05:51:04.760,05:51:09.630
Mr. DOWN, I MUST SAY THAT I’M
GENERALLY IN FAVOUR OF BETTER
LIGHTING ESPECIALLY WHEN IT

05:51:09.632,05:51:15.795
INVOLVES MORE PURPLE, SO THANK
YOU FOR THAT ON THE COVER.
BUT I WAS A LITTLE BIT

05:51:15.797,05:51:22.237
SURPRISED, AND I ALLUDED TO IT A
COUPLE OF TIMES AND I WANT TO
MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY,

05:51:22.239,05:51:26.278
IN THE BIRD FRIENDLY URBAN
DESIGN PIECE WE DIDN’T SEE
BENCHMARKS OF CALGARY VERSUS

05:51:26.280,05:51:30.822
OTHER CITIES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU INCORPORATED BEST PRACTICES
OF OTHER CITIES IN THE

05:51:30.824,05:51:34.188
RECOMMENDATIONS BUT THAT WASN’T
REALLY EXPLICIT IN THE REPORT.
IS THAT ACTUALLY THE CASE?

05:51:34.190,05:51:43.162
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WE DID INDEED
LOOK QUITE CAREFULLY AT THE
TORONTO GUIDELINE AND USING THE

05:51:43.164,05:51:47.502
SAME CONSULTANT WE INCORPORATED
BEST PRACTICES FROM TORONTO SO
MANY OF THE MITIGATION

05:51:47.504,05:51:51.404
SUGGESTIONS SUCH AS THE SLOPED
GLASS CAME FROM RESEARCH THAT
HAD BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY IN

05:51:51.406,05:51:56.336
TORONTO WHERE THERE’S A MUCH
MORE DOCUMENTEDDED INSTANCE OF
THIS ISSUE.

05:51:56.338,05:52:01.611
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: GREAT.
THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN FARRELL.

05:52:01.613,05:52:06.828
>> THANK YOU.
I WOULDN’T MIND MOVING BOTH OF
THESE, BUT ONE AT A TIME.

05:52:06.830,05:52:12.325
I’LL START WITH THE
BIRD-FRIENDLY URBAN DESIGN
GUIDELINES.

05:52:12.327,05:52:51.950
[Please Stand By]
>> — ALTHOUGH A MINOR ROUTE
COMPARED TO WHAT TORONTO HAS.

05:52:51.952,05:52:56.724
BIRDS TRAVEL AT NIGHT, THEY
TRAVEL ALONG THE BOW CORRIDOR,
AND THEY NAVIGATE BY THE

05:52:56.726,05:53:02.789
STARS.
AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE

05:53:02.791,05:53:09.333
EXAMPLE OF OTHER CITIES THAT
HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE AND
BROUGHT ABOUT GUIDELINES THAT

05:53:09.335,05:53:17.070
ARE JUST THAT.
THEY’RE TO INFORM APPLICANTS
OF THE ISSUE AND POSSIBLE

05:53:17.072,05:53:21.836
SOLUTIONS.
IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS TURNING
OFF DETECTIVE LIGHTING DURING

05:53:21.838,05:53:25.775
MIGRATORY PERIODS.
AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT REALLY
WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY, IS

05:53:25.777,05:53:33.350
HAVING — IN SOME CITIES IT’S
LEGISLATED.
BRISBANE HAS MOTION DETECTORS

05:53:33.352,05:53:36.884
INSIDE THEIR BUILDINGS AND
THEY HAVE HAD FOR DECADES SO
THAT IF NOBODY IS IN THE

05:53:36.886,05:53:40.524
BUILDING, THE LIGHTS GO OFF.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE
BUILDING AND MOVING AROUND, OF

05:53:40.526,05:53:47.229
COURSE THE LIGHTS ARE ON AND
IT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY.
WE HAVE A SONGBIRD POPULATION

05:53:47.231,05:53:56.143
THAT’S IN DRAMATIC DECLINE.
IN NORTH AMERICA.
A LOT OF IT’S FROM CATS,

05:53:56.145,05:54:00.087
PREDATORY ANIMALS, BUT MANY,
MANY OF THE FATALITIES ARE
COMING FROM THE URBAN

05:54:00.089,05:54:02.254
ENVIRONMENT.
SO IF THERE’S SOMETHING THAT
WE CAN DO TO HELP, I THINK WE

05:54:02.256,05:54:08.574
SHOULD MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO
HELP.
AND AS IT’S BEEN STATED MANY

05:54:08.576,05:54:15.040
TIMES, IT’S SIMPLY VOLUNTARY
BUT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT
THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO THESE

05:54:15.042,05:54:18.483
ISSUES WHEN THE QUESTION COMES
UP.
THANK YOU.

05:54:18.485,05:54:27.383
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN FERRELL.
ALDERMAN LOWE?

05:54:27.385,05:54:32.728
>> I’M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS,
YOUR WORSHIP.
NOW, ALDERMAN FERRELL WILL

05:54:32.730,05:54:38.369
KNOW THAT I’VE HAROLDED HER A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT DURING THIS
BUT I’M PREPARED TO STOPPED

05:54:38.371,05:54:43.138
HERE AND EAT A LITTLE CROW.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: JUST
BEFORE SUPPER?

05:54:43.140,05:54:48.720
>> I’D ACTUALLY CONGRATULATE
HER FOR BRINGING THIS ALONG I
THINK THE PAST SIX OR SERVE

05:54:48.722,05:54:51.715
YEARS.
AND IT IS VOLUNTARY.
IT IS A GUIDELINE.

05:54:51.717,05:54:55.723
AS Mr. DOWNS POINTED OUT, IT’S
SOMETHING THAT CAN BE
REFERENCED.

05:54:55.725,05:54:58.458
AND FOR THAT REASON I’LL
SUPPORT IT AND I’LL ASK
COUNCIL TO SUPPORT IT.

05:54:58.460,05:55:04.533
AND PLUS THAT, I — WITH THAT
I WILL SIT NOW QUIETLY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU’LL

05:55:04.535,05:55:15.922
RETURN TO YOUR NEST?
NOT UNLESS THERE’S A GREAT
FUNNEL, ALDERMAN CHABOT.

05:55:15.924,05:55:20.291
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> WELL, I WAS NOT INCLINED OR
SUPPORTING THIS, AND HAVING

05:55:20.293,05:55:24.789
HEARD FROM Mr. WATSON,
BELIEVING THAT THIS MAY
ACTUALLY HELP TO SPEED THE

05:55:24.791,05:55:30.893
PROCESS, I — I’M MORE
INCLINED, LIKE I SAID BEFORE,
TO SUPPORT THE CENTRE CITY

05:55:30.895,05:55:34.998
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINES
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD
PROBABLY CONTRACT MORE

05:55:35.000,05:55:40.380
SIGNIFICANTLY TO PROTECTION OF
THE — CONTRIBUTE MORE
SIGNIFICANTLY TO PROTECTION OF

05:55:40.382,05:55:46.517
THE AVIAN POPULATION SIMPLY BY
VIRTUE OF MINIMIZING THE
POTENTIAL DRAW TO THE BIRDS

05:55:46.519,05:55:51.215
INTO THE CENTRE CITY.
DURING THE EVENING HOURS IN
PARTICULAR.

05:55:51.217,05:56:00.381
I KNOW THAT WE, AS A CITY,
HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT I GUESS
PROVIDING A BETTER CITY, AND

05:56:00.383,05:56:06.528
SO WE MAY BE A VICTIM OF OUR
OWN SUCCESS IN LOOKING AT
AESTHETICS.

05:56:06.530,05:56:09.864
AND A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS
THAT WE’VE DEVELOPED IN THE
LAST LITTLE WHILE HAVE BEEN TO

05:56:09.866,05:56:15.534
TRY AND IMPROVE OUR AESTHETICS
BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF
CONCRETE BECAUSE I THINK

05:56:15.536,05:56:24.706
CONCRETE WOULD BE QUITE
VISIBLY TANGIBLE TO THE BIRDS
AS BEING A SOLID AND MORE

05:56:24.708,05:56:28.841
GLASS WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY IS
CREATING SOME PROBLEMS.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE MAY BE A

05:56:28.843,05:56:35.242
VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
SO I GUESS MOVING FORWARD,
THERE MAY BE SOME SOLUTION

05:56:35.244,05:56:39.649
THAT IS MIGHT NOT BE ALL THAT
COSTLY THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT
IF IT CAN HELP TO SPEED THE

05:56:39.651,05:56:45.079
PROCESS, ANSWER A BUNCH OF
QUESTIONS, ULTIMATELY MAYBE
EVEN SPEED UP THE PROCESS, I

05:56:45.081,05:56:48.088
GUESS IT’S WORTHWHILE
CONSIDERING.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

05:56:48.090,05:56:51.724
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
WE’RE A FIN MINUTES BEYOND OUR
NORMAL TIME SO I SHOULD

05:56:51.726,05:56:56.804
PROBABLY TAKE A MOTION TO SEND
THE PROCEDURE RIGHT ALONG TO
THE RESOLUTION OF THIS ITEM,

05:56:56.806,05:57:00.408
HOWEVER BEFORE I DO THAT, I
WILL ASK COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE
ANY APPETITE, WE’VE GOT ONE

05:57:00.410,05:57:03.783
ITEM LEFT IN THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY APPETITE TO GO

05:57:03.785,05:57:07.390
THROUGH THAT ONE AS WELL
BEFORE WE TAKE A DINNER BREAK,
THEN ALL THESE FOLKS CAN GO

05:57:07.392,05:57:11.834
HOME?
OKAY, SO WHY DON’T I TAKE A
APPROPRIATION TO SAW SPEND OUR

05:57:11.836,05:57:17.327
PROCEDURE UNTIL BOTH ITEMS ARE
DONE.
SO ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART,

05:57:17.329,05:57:19.497
YOU’RE SECONDING?
ARE WE AGREED?
VERY WELL THEN.

05:57:19.499,05:57:23.626
SO WE’LL FINISH OFF — SORRY,
OPPOSED?
CHABOT AND JONES, EURO POSED.

05:57:23.628,05:57:28.097
VERY WELL THEN, WE’LL FINISH
OFF THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE
WE TAKE OUR BREAK.

05:57:28.099,05:57:32.971
ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD MY

05:57:32.973,05:57:37.676
SUPPORT TO THIS AND
CONGRATULATE ALDERMAN DOUGH
FOR NOT DUCKING THE ISSUE AND

05:57:37.678,05:57:40.085
SPARROWING US MORE DEBATE.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

05:57:40.087,05:57:42.625
ALDERMAN KEATING, YOU ARE IN
FACT A PRINCE AMONG MEN.
THANK YOU.

05:57:42.627,05:57:47.826
SO ALDERMAN FARRELL, DID YOU
WANT TO CLOSE?
ALL RIGHT, CLOSED.

05:57:47.828,05:57:52.722
ON 9.1 THEN, ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

05:57:52.724,05:58:01.803
9.2, ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THIS ONE PERHAPS IS NOT —
OR DOESN’T APPEAR AS HE IS

05:58:01.805,05:58:07.467
TAKER, BUT I THINK IT’S VERY
— ESO IT.
ERIC, BUT I THINK IT’S A VERY

05:58:07.469,05:58:10.805
IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
ILLUMINATION IS A VERY
IMPORTANT AND I THINK

05:58:10.807,05:58:14.075
NEGLECTED PART OF CALGARY’S
ARCHITECTURE, AND IF YOU LOOK
AT OTHER CITIES THAT I THINK

05:58:14.077,05:58:21.810
WE — MANY OF US WOULD AGREE
OR GREAT CITIES, ILLUMINATION
IS JUST SIMPLY PART OF HOW YOU

05:58:21.812,05:58:25.149
WOULD DESIGN A BRIDGE OR AN
UNDERPASS OR A BUILDING, FOR
THAT MATTER.

05:58:25.151,05:58:30.422
AND SO I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT
WORK.
I REALLY HAVE TO THANK THE

05:58:30.424,05:58:35.093
STAFF WHO’VE BEEN WORKING ON
THE UNDERPASS GUIDELINES, THE
ILLUMINATION GUIDELINES AND

05:58:35.095,05:58:40.894
THE BIRD FRIENDLY GUIDELINES.
I’M GETTING COMMENTS ON HOW
ATTRACTIVE OUR PUBLIC REALM IS

05:58:40.896,05:58:45.139
LOOKING AND HOW ATTRACTIVE OUR
DOWNTOWN IS LOOKING, AND IT’S
A LARGE RESULT OF THE WORK

05:58:45.141,05:58:52.112
THAT THIS TEAM IS DOING, AND
THIS IS JUST ONE NEXT STEP IN
HELPING CREATE A GREAT CITY.

05:58:52.114,05:58:57.931
SO THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, TO I HAVE A SECONDER,

05:58:57.933,05:58:59.836
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?

05:58:59.838,05:59:04.175
ALL RIGHT THEN, ON 9.2 ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:59:04.177,05:59:06.973
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT, THAT TAKES US BACK
TO THE ITEM THAT WE TABLED

05:59:06.975,05:59:13.273
EARLIER, 8.2 IN YOUR AGENDA.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WE WERE
STILL ON QUESTIONS OF

05:59:13.275,05:59:20.197
CLARIFICATION, WE HASN’T YET
OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION,

05:59:20.199,05:59:25.802
ALDERMAN HODGES?
NO.
DO WE NEED ONE?

05:59:25.804,05:59:28.734
ALL RIGHT.
LET’S DO IT.
ALL RIGHT.

05:59:28.736,05:59:33.576
THANK YOU, MOTION TO LIFT THEN
FROM THE TABLE, SECONDED BY
ALDERMAN CHABOT, MOVED BY

05:59:33.578,05:59:36.046
ALDERMAN HODGES, ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:59:36.048,05:59:38.953
CARRIED.
VERY WELL THEN.
SO YOU HAD THE FLOOR I THINK,

05:59:38.955,05:59:46.387
ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> I DID.
THANK YOU.

05:59:46.389,05:59:49.967
Mr. ORT, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND
THE — YES, THANK YOU.
I THINK THEY’RE IMPORTANT TO

05:59:49.969,06:00:02.236
THE CONTEXT.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE —
>> BIRD — TREES.

06:00:02.238,06:00:09.573
>> THE NATIVE GRASSLANDS ARE
VERY TYPICAL IN THE SIZE AREA.
PROBABLY BEST IF I JUST GO

06:00:09.575,06:00:15.445
THROUGH THE PHOTOGRAPHS, YEAH,
PROBABLY THE BEST.
>> GREAT.

06:00:15.447,06:00:23.758
>> THERE’S ALSO WETLANDS
THAT’S EXISTING.
AND I’LL SAY THAT YOU HAVE A

06:00:23.760,06:00:36.739
TALL DRY SHRUBS, VERY TYPICAL
IN THE ACTUAL SITE AREA.
ALSO NATIVE GRASSLANDS

06:00:36.741,06:00:39.945
ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE.
OBVIOUSLY THESE PHOTOS
PHOTOGRAPHS ARE TAKEN IN THE

06:00:39.947,06:00:51.095
SUMMER.
ALSO, WILLOW SHRUBS, VERY
COMMON IN THE SITE AREA.

06:00:51.097,06:00:56.212
OKAY, ALSO SHOULD MENTION THE
WET MEADOW, THAT AREA IS
ACTUALLY BEING PRESERVED WITH

06:00:56.214,06:01:06.912
THE APPLICATION.
AS IS THE — ALSO THE SHALLOW
MARSH, THAT’S ALSO BEING SAVED,

06:01:06.914,06:01:16.455
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
REDESIGNATION.
AND THAT’S JUST A TYPICAL

06:01:16.457,06:01:28.869
VEGETATION SHOT OF THE SITE.
AND ALSO A DRY SHRUB WHICH IS
VERY COMMON IN THE SITE AREA.

06:01:28.871,06:01:35.973
ALSO, THIS TYPICAL OF THE BUSH
AND THE…
AND THERE YOU CAN JUST SEE

06:01:35.975,06:01:39.806
WHERE A HOUSE IS ABUTTING IT,
YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT’S
DISTURBED WITH THE

06:01:39.808,06:01:44.046
INTRODUCTION OF GRASS SO SOME
OF THE NATIVE GRASSES HAVE TO
BE REMOVED OBVIOUSLY TO

06:01:44.048,06:01:52.879
ACCOMMODATE THE YARD.
AND THIS IS A WETLAND AT THE
NORTH PORTION OF THE — OF THE

06:01:52.881,06:01:58.114
SITE.
ACTUALLY GOING TO BE — WOULD
BE LOST WITH THE APPLICATION.

06:01:58.116,06:01:59.681
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT

06:01:59.683,06:02:05.020
CONTEXT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN FARRELL.

06:02:05.022,06:02:08.695
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF
CLARIFICATION, QUESTIONS OF
CLARIFICATION ONLY AT THIS

06:02:08.697,06:02:11.994
TIME?
ALL RIGHT THEN, SO OPEN THE
PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISH TO

06:02:11.996,06:02:14.895
SPEAK IN FAVOUR OF THIS
PROPOSAL?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN

06:02:14.897,06:02:21.727
FAVOUR?
HELLO?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

06:02:21.729,06:02:27.151
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP,
COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS ROB HEYWARD AND I

06:02:27.153,06:02:30.579
REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP OF
THIS PROPERTY AND I WOULD LIKE
TO TURN OVER THE TECHNICAL OF

06:02:30.581,06:02:36.479
THIS TO LYLE TILLY OF ECLIPSE
ENGINEERING.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL

06:02:36.481,06:02:42.282
RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP,
AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

06:02:42.284,06:02:45.754
A LITTLE BRIEF HISTORY OF THIS
SITE.
WE HAVE WORKED OR THE

06:02:45.756,06:02:50.723
DEVELOPER AND THE LAND OWNER,
THE SAME, HAS WORKED WITH THE
LOCAL ALDERMAN OF THE AREA.

06:02:50.725,06:02:56.931
WE’VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE
CONCERNS THAT WERE WRITTEN TO
US BY THE NEIGHBOURING — THE

06:02:56.933,06:02:59.565
NEIGHBOURS IN ROCK POINT
PLACE.
TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR

06:02:59.567,06:03:06.936
CONCERNS OVER DIFFERENT
ISSUES.
IN DOING THIS, THE DEVELOPER

06:03:06.938,06:03:18.095
HAS — HAS GIVEN UP A
SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF LAND
THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN

06:03:18.097,06:03:25.432
REQUIRED.
THIS PARCEL WAS SUBDIVIDED AND
WHEN IT WAS PART OF THE MD OF

06:03:25.434,06:03:30.098
ROCKY VIEW AND AT THAT TIME
THE MR WAS GIVEN, SO WHEN THIS
PARCEL IS REDEVELOPED, THERE

06:03:30.100,06:03:36.834
IS NO NEED FOR MR TO BE GIVEN
OVER TO THE CITY.
BUT IN RECOGNIZING THAT THERE

06:03:36.836,06:03:43.488
IS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS,
THERE ARE LOWLANDS, THERE ARE
THE NOB AND KETTLE AND TO

06:03:43.490,06:03:50.560
ALLOW SOME DEVELOPMENT ON THIS
PARCEL BETWEEN THE ER AND THE
MR, ALMOST 30% OF THE SITE HAS

06:03:50.562,06:03:58.199
BEEN DEDICATED TO
NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT,
OR UNDEVELOPMENT, SHOULD I

06:03:58.201,06:04:00.206
SAY.
IN FACT THE DEVELOPER IS
PROPOSING NOT TO TOUCH ANY OF

06:04:00.208,06:04:06.179
THE EXISTING LAND WHICH IS
MOST OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT
YOU’RE SEEING, THE NICE

06:04:06.181,06:04:16.221
COLORED WETLANDS AND THAT.
THEY’RE PROPOSING NOT TO TOUCH
ANY OF THAT LAND.

06:04:19.131,06:04:26.106
THE SITE THAT WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT HAS, ON THE SOUTHWEST
CORNER, AN EXISTING ER WITH A

06:04:26.108,06:04:31.812
WETLAND.
THE ADJACENT LANDS WOULD BE
TAKEN WITH THE SITE WAS BEING

06:04:31.814,06:04:37.157
DEVELOPED AS ER FRINGE.
THE LANDS AS YOU HEAD NORTH
THROUGH THE GREEN SPACE AND

06:04:37.159,06:04:43.549
THE TREES THAT WE’VE SHOWN
WILL BE THE FUTURE MR THAT THE
DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO GIVE

06:04:43.551,06:04:45.582
UP.
AND YOU’LL SEE THERE’S A
LITTLE SPOT IN THE MIDDLE OF

06:04:45.584,06:04:50.287
THE TREES THERE.
THAT WAS A WET — THAT WAS A
WETLAND THAT WAS CREATED WHEN

06:04:50.289,06:04:58.103
ROCK PLACE — ROCKCLIFFE PLACE
WAS CREATED.
THEY FILLED E LAND AND

06:04:58.105,06:05:04.273
CREATED A TRAPPED LOW, AND PUT
A LARGE RETAINING WALL ALONG
IT SO NOW THERE IS A TRAPPED

06:05:04.275,06:05:11.988
LOW.
BUT WE’RE PROPOSING TO RETAIN
THAT TRAPPED LOW.

06:05:13.952,06:05:22.088
THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND IS
QUITE ROLLING, AND IT DOES
FALL OFF TO THE LOWLANDS TO

06:05:22.090,06:05:28.599
THE WEST ALONG ROCKCLIFFE
PLACE.
THE LAND — THE PROPOSED

06:05:28.601,06:05:35.660
GRADING OF THE FUTURE R 1s OR
RESIDENTIAL HOUSING WOULD
RETAIN THE EXISTING GRADE AT

06:05:35.662,06:05:39.966
THE BACK OF THEIR LOT.
SO IN THE MR, THEY’RE
PROPOSING TO NOT DO ANY

06:05:39.968,06:05:42.806
GRADING.
THEY’D LIKE TO MATCH THE BACK
OF THEIR LOTS WITH EXISTING

06:05:42.808,06:05:51.273
GRADING.
IT SEEMS THAT WE ALL VISIT THE
SITE DURING THE WINTER.

06:05:51.275,06:05:55.975
WE HAVE ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL
WINTER SHOT OF THE SITE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING FROM

06:05:55.977,06:06:03.382
THE SOUTHWEST ACROSS THAT
STORM POND/ER.
THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON YOUR

06:06:03.384,06:06:09.525
LEFTHAND SIDE ARE ROCKCLIFFE
PLACE HOMES.
AND THE HOUSE IN THE

06:06:09.527,06:06:14.329
BACKGROUND IS THE ACTUAL
RESIDENT THAT IS NOW EXISTING
ON THE SITE.

06:06:14.331,06:06:19.902
WE’RE PROPOSING — THE DESIGN
OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD
PROPOSE THAT THESE HOUSE —

06:06:19.904,06:06:25.874
THE NEW HOUSES WOULD BE OF NO
HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN THE
EXISTING ROCKCLIFFE PLACE

06:06:25.876,06:06:34.294
HOMES.
THIS PICTURE SHOWS LOOKING
FROM THE BACKYARD OF THE

06:06:34.296,06:06:40.928
EXISTING DWELLING BACK TOWARDS
THE HOMES ON ROCKCLIFFE PLACE.
THAT LOW AREA BETWEEN HERE AND

06:06:40.930,06:06:51.231
THE HOUSES IN ROCKCLIFFE PLACE
WOULD BE THE FUTURE MR.
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE,

06:06:51.233,06:06:56.881
IT DOES COME UP QUITE
DRAMATICALLY HIGH.
THE EXISTING HOMES BACK ON TO

06:06:56.883,06:07:00.993
THIS HIGH WITH THE CHAIN LINK
FENCE.
WE’RE PROPOSING A SIMILAR

06:07:00.995,06:07:05.464
NATURE WITH THE HOUSING THAT
WOULD BE BACKING ON TO THIS
CHAIN LINK FENCE.

06:07:05.466,06:07:09.400
THERE ARE ONLY THREE LOTS
WHERE HOUSING WOULD ACTUALLY
INTERFACE WITH EXISTING

06:07:09.402,06:07:14.835
HOUSING.
THE RETAINING WALL THAT WE
TALKED ABOUT THAT WAS BUILT AS

06:07:14.837,06:07:19.376
PART OF ROCKCLIFFE PLACE, THIS
IS IT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY ON THEIR —

06:07:19.378,06:07:25.183
IS IN THEIR BACKYARDS, BUT THE
LOW, THE TRAPPED LOW THAT WAS
CREATED BY BUILDING THIS AND

06:07:25.185,06:07:33.656
FILLING IN ROCKCLIFFE PLACE
WOULD BE RETAINED.
THAT’S JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY.

06:07:33.658,06:07:38.190
I’D LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO
ROB.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

06:07:38.192,06:07:41.725
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOUR
TIME IS ACTUALLY UP BUT GIVEN
THAT THERE’S TWO OF YOU I CAN

06:07:41.727,06:07:45.226
GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE TO
WRAP UP IF YOU LIKE.
>> ALL RIGHT.

06:07:45.228,06:07:48.930
WELL, YEAH, AND I’LL ADDRESS
SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES I’M
SURE ARE GOING TO COME UP SO I

06:07:48.932,06:07:52.166
WON’T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH
THAT.
BUT WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IN

06:07:52.168,06:08:00.477
THE MEETINGS THAT WE’VE HAD
WITH COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND THE

06:08:00.479,06:08:06.928
ADJACENT LAND OWNER, THE CPEG
TEAM HERE IN CALGARY, THAT WE
HAVE MADE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL

06:08:06.930,06:08:11.064
COMPROMISES ALONG THE WAY WITH
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE AT THE END OF A LARGER

06:08:11.066,06:08:16.335
DEVELOPMENT THAT’S HAPPENING
AS YOU SAW EARLIER TO SAY EAST
AND TO THE SOUTH OF US THAT

06:08:16.337,06:08:22.280
WAS REDESIGNATED LAST SUMMER
TO RC-1 WITH DIRECT CONTROLS
PLACED ON IT.

06:08:22.282,06:08:26.619
AND ESSENTIALLY WE ARE THE
LAST OF THAT AREA TO BE
DEVELOPED.

06:08:26.621,06:08:31.587
WHICH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT
AREA ALREADY HAS BEEN REZONED.
THANK YOU.

06:08:31.589,06:08:35.392
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, THAT’S HELPFUL CONTEXT.
I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR

06:08:35.394,06:08:47.330
YOU, ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> I’M ASSUMING THAT NOT
CARRYING THROUGH TPC WAS A BIT

06:08:47.332,06:08:50.263
OF A SHOCK TO YOU GUYS?
>> CORRECT.
>> THERE WAS A DISCUSSION

06:08:50.265,06:08:56.267
ABOUT CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION,
I UNDERSTAND, AT CPC?
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT

06:08:56.269,06:09:02.535
MEANS TO YOU AND WHAT, YOU
KNOW, YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT
CONVERSATION — OR —

06:09:02.537,06:09:05.778
>> WELL, I WAS A LITTLE
SURPRISED TO IT IN LIGHT OF
THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE LAST

06:09:05.780,06:09:08.946
PIECE TO BE DEVELOPED THIS
THAT AREA.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE

06:09:08.948,06:09:15.327
COMMUNITY’S CONCERNS.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR
THE AS SPEND TREES AND THE

06:09:15.329,06:09:19.093
PRESERVATION OF THE WETLANDS
AND WE FEEL WE’VE GONE TO
GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO

06:09:19.095,06:09:24.203
PROTECT THOSE AREAS TO THE
BEST WE CAN AND TO DONATE AS
MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAINTAINING

06:09:24.205,06:09:30.011
AN MR.
>> OKAY.
SO THE CONCEPT BEHIND

06:09:30.013,06:09:34.946
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION IS
THAT YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE
SITE AND YOU DESIGN YOUR

06:09:34.948,06:09:37.977
HOUSING AND YOUR LOTTING
AROUND THE NATURAL FEATURES
RATHER THAN SORT OF SAYING

06:09:37.979,06:09:41.553
WE’RE GOING TO KEEP THIS AND
WE’LL SAVE THAT IN TWO BIG
CHUNKS.

06:09:41.555,06:09:46.755
IS THERE EVER ANY
CONSIDERATION IN PURSUING A
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION PLAN?

06:09:46.757,06:09:51.661
>> THAT IS WHY WE’VE — THAT
IS WHY WE’VE CHOSE TONE LEAVE
THAT MR STRIP.

06:09:51.663,06:09:56.712
IT HAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANCE
ON THE SITE.
IT HAS THE NICEST TREE GROWTH.

06:09:56.714,06:10:04.558
WHERE THE EXISTING HOME IS, IS
CULTURED GRASS, NON— OR WHAT
DO THEY CALL IT, NON— WHEN

06:10:04.560,06:10:10.755
THEY DON’T BELONG TO THIS AREA
TYPE TREES.
THAT THERE IS A LITTLE NOB AND

06:10:10.757,06:10:16.854
KETTLE AT THE VERY ENTRANCE.
TO DESIGN A HOUSE THAT WOULD
SIT AROUND THE TREES, WE’VE

06:10:16.856,06:10:22.693
KEPT OUR LOT SIZES TO A
SIMILAR LOT SIZE TO THE REST
OF THE LOTS IN THE AREA.

06:10:22.695,06:10:27.667
WE’VE TRIED TO KEEP THEM
SMALLER SO THAT WE COULD
RETAIN SOME SORT OF KNOB AND

06:10:27.669,06:10:33.178
KETTLE IN ONE CONCENTRATED
AREA RATHER THAN TRYING TO
INTERSPERSE AND NOT REALLY

06:10:33.180,06:10:38.840
HAVE A SUCCESSFUL USE OF THE
KNOB AND KETTLE AREA.
>> OKAY.

06:10:38.842,06:10:45.450
SO THEN THE ANSWER IS…
>> YES, WE DID.
YES, WE DID, BY CREATING THAT

06:10:45.452,06:10:49.118
MR AND LOOKING AT THE LAND USE,
YES, WE DID.
>> OKAY.

06:10:49.120,06:10:55.627
>> 30% OF THE LAND HAS BEEN
TURNED OVER TO CONSERVATION.
INSTEAD OF NORMALLY IN A

06:10:55.629,06:11:00.936
SUBDIVISION, THE CITY WOULD
WOULD ONLY ASK FOR 10%; IN
THIS CASE NONE WAS REQUIRED

06:11:00.938,06:11:05.742
AND THE DEVELOPER HAS CHOSEN
TO GIVE 30% FOR CONSERVATION.
>> OKAY.

06:11:05.744,06:11:11.846
SO TECHNICALLY A CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION BUT I UNDERSTAND
WHAT YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING TO

06:11:11.848,06:11:17.043
THE TABLE.
WOULD THERE BE ANY APPETITE TO
PURSUE AN ACTUAL CONSERVATION

06:11:17.045,06:11:20.123
SUBDIVISION APPROACH GIVEN
WHAT YOU HEARD INTEREST CPC
OR…

06:11:20.125,06:11:23.160
>> I GUESS THAT WOULD REALLY
DEPEND ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS
MEETING.

06:11:23.162,06:11:25.262
>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE
TO ME AS WELL.
OKAY.

06:11:25.264,06:11:31.762
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN CARRA.

06:11:31.764,06:11:36.506
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
ONE QUESTION I ASKED

06:11:36.508,06:11:40.617
PREVIOUSLY TO ADMINISTRATION,
WHICH YOU PROBABLY ANTICIPATED,
IS IN THE AREA THAT WAS DEEMED

06:11:40.619,06:11:47.921
TO BE SEASONAL WETLANDS.
WHEN YOU — CAN YOU SHOW ME
WHERE ROUGHLY THAT LIES WITHIN

06:11:47.923,06:11:58.684
THE SITE?
IS THIS THE SEASONAL WETLANDS
IN A WINTER CONDITION?

06:11:58.686,06:12:04.327
>> I’M SORRY.
I WAS SHOWING THE RESULTS.
>> THE SEASONAL WETLANDS IS

06:12:04.329,06:12:11.465
THIS PORTION IN HERE.
THAT HAS BEEN CREATED AS A
SEASONAL WET — IT DRIES RIGHT

06:12:11.467,06:12:17.341
OUT WHEN THERE IS NO WATER.
IT WAS ONE OF THE TYPICAL FOR
THE BEARSPAW OR THAT RIDGE UP

06:12:17.343,06:12:23.072
THERE IS THAT THE GRAVEL LINER
UNDERNEATH DOESN’T RETAIN THE
WATER.

06:12:23.074,06:12:33.180
THIS BLUE AREA DOWN HERE IS A
DESIGNED STORM WATER POND FOR
THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

06:12:33.182,06:12:39.521
THIS PARCEL OF LAND TO THE
EAST IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL
RESERVE WETLAND.

06:12:39.523,06:12:45.930
SO THERE’S A MIX OF LOWLANDS,
STORM PONDS AND ENVIRONMENTAL
WETLANDS.

06:12:45.932,06:12:50.136
>> OKAY.
THAT SEASONAL STORM POND, IS
THAT SOMETHING YOU’RE PLANNING

06:12:50.138,06:12:56.208
ON RETAINING?
>> THIS SEASONAL POND HERE?
YES, WE’RE PROPOSING NOT TO DO

06:12:56.210,06:13:01.214
— TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE MR,
TO LEAVE THE MR AREA AS
NATURAL.

06:13:01.216,06:13:06.479
IT’S GOT THE MOST
CONCENTRATION OF INDIGENOUS
TREES AND GRASSLANDS ON IT.

06:13:06.481,06:13:09.746
WE’D PREFER TO LEAVE THAT AS
EXISTING.
>> IS THAT THE AREA THAT WAS

06:13:09.748,06:13:14.623
SUBJECT OF THE COMMENTS
PROVIDED TO US BY THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION?

06:13:14.625,06:13:17.328
>> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT.
BUT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO

06:13:17.330,06:13:21.456
PRESERVE IT.
>> YES.
THEY WANTED A SETBACK FROM THE

06:13:21.458,06:13:26.931
EXISTING HOMES AND THEY WANTED
THE LOWLANDS PRESERVED.
>> SO 21 LOTS, SO THEY’RE ALL

06:13:26.933,06:13:32.473
GOING TO BE ALIGNED ON THE
EAST SIDE OF THAT PARCEL, IS
THAT THE WAY THE INTENT IT?

06:13:32.475,06:13:35.805
>> YES, SIR.
>> ALL ACCESS THROUGH THE
EXTENSION OF ROCKY RIDGE PLACE

06:13:35.807,06:13:41.140
OR WHATEVER IT IS?
>> ACTUALLY, ROCKY RIDGE PLACE,
WE’RE IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE

06:13:41.142,06:13:44.881
ADJACENT LAND OWNER TO DO A
LAND SWAP.
ROCKY RIDGE PLACE WOULD BECOME

06:13:44.883,06:13:48.780
PART OF OUR PROPERTY AND AS
YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SHADOW
PLANS, WE’RE PROPOSING A

06:13:48.782,06:13:53.119
ROADWAY DIRECTLY THROUGH THE
CENTRE OF OUR PROPERTY TO
LINEUP WITH THE ADJACENT LAND

06:13:53.121,06:13:58.292
OWNER SO THAT THERE’S TWO
POINTS OF ACCESS THROUGHOUT
THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

06:13:58.294,06:14:02.629
>> OKAY.
SO THAT IS — I’M JUST TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU’RE GOING

06:14:02.631,06:14:06.235
TO PLACE YOUR LOTS ON THERE.
YOU’RE GOING TO BE ON EITHER
SIDE OF THAT ROAD?

06:14:06.237,06:14:10.376
>> YES.
>> OKAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE

06:14:10.378,06:14:14.883
PROPERTIES YOU WERE REFERRING
TO THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY
YOUR DEVELOPMENT —

06:14:14.885,06:14:18.119
>> AT THE TOP WEST CORNER,
YES.
>> ONLY LOOKS LIKE TWO THERE.

06:14:18.121,06:14:22.960
>> RIGHT NOW THE DEVELOPER IS
IN CONSULTATION WITH THE
SURROUNDING LAND OWNER.

06:14:22.962,06:14:28.764
THEY CURRENTLY OWN THIS —
SORRY, THIS STRIP OF LAND HERE
WHICH IS BEING USED AS A

06:14:28.766,06:14:34.599
TEMPORARY ACCESS TO THE
BUILDING.
AND THIS CHUNK OF LAND UP HERE,

06:14:34.601,06:14:39.371
WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS
RC-1.
>> SO IT’S GOING TO BE A LAND

06:14:39.373,06:14:46.278
SWAP OR SOMETHING?
IT’S GOING TO CHANGE THE
ACTUAL SITE DIMENSION?

06:14:46.280,06:14:51.049
>> YES, IT WILL CHANGE AFTER
THE FACT.
AS YOU SEE HERE, ROCKY RIDGE

06:14:51.051,06:14:55.687
PLACE AND THAT SMALL TRIANGLE
AT THE TOP OF THE CORNER,
THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN

06:14:55.689,06:14:59.260
REDESIGNATED.
>> OH, I SEE.
>> ONE HAS RC-1 DESIGNATION,

06:14:59.262,06:15:06.161
THE OTHER ONE HAS THE RC-1CC.
>> OKAY.
SO NOW THOSE PORTIONS OF MR

06:15:06.163,06:15:13.061
LANDS, HOW MUCH OF THOSE LANDS
THAT ARE BEING DEDICATED ARE
ACTUALLY MR VERSUS ER?

06:15:13.063,06:15:29.778
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF ORDER?
>> THIS PARCEL OF LAND IS 1.65
HECTARES.

06:15:29.780,06:15:38.194
OF THAT,.83 HECTARES WOULD BE
TURNED INTO HOUSING AND ROADS.
.41 WOULD BE MR AND .17 WOULD

06:15:38.196,06:15:46.598
BE ER.
>> SO YOU ARE DEDICATEDING —
DEDICATING 1.01 ACRES, IS THAT

06:15:46.600,06:15:58.642
CORRECT, OF MR VOLUNTARILY?
>> .41 OF MR VOLUNTARILY, YES.
>> .41 HECTARES, YES, 1.0 —

06:15:58.644,06:16:03.313
>> 24 — 25% OF THE SITE —
THE ER WOULD HAVE BEEN TO BE
DEDICATED ANYWAYS BECAUSE IT’S

06:16:03.315,06:16:11.117
PART OF THE STORM PANNED/…
>> I REALIZE THAT.
24.8% YOU’RE DEDICATING

06:16:11.119,06:16:14.056
VOLUNTARILY.
OKAY, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

06:16:14.058,06:16:17.787
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR

06:16:17.789,06:16:19.490
THESE FOLKS?
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

06:16:19.492,06:16:22.123
HERE AND THANKS FOR YOUR
PATIENCE IN US GETTING TO THIS
ITEM.

06:16:22.125,06:16:25.192
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
FAVOUR OF THIS PROPOSAL?
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN

06:16:25.194,06:16:36.054
FAVOUR?
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL?

06:16:47.855,06:16:50.289
HELLO, THANKS AS WELL TO YOU
FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE GET TO
THIS.

06:16:50.291,06:16:53.754
>> BEEN A LONG DAY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YES,
YES, IT HAS.

06:16:53.756,06:16:57.232
>> I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE
PROPOSED —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

06:16:57.234,06:17:00.939
INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST,
PLEASE.
>> MY NAME IS DIANE COLEY.

06:17:00.941,06:17:05.911
I RESIDE AT 8 ROCKCLIFFE POINT
WHICH WOULD BE THIS HOUSE
RIGHT HERE.

06:17:05.913,06:17:10.862
(INAUDIBLE) — BY THIS
PARTICULAR THING.
THIS IS THE SECOND PLAN THAT

06:17:10.864,06:17:18.535
HAS BEEN PROJECTED FOR THIS
PARTICULAR LOT OF LAND.
ORIGINALLY THEY WERE NOT

06:17:18.537,06:17:25.074
INCLUDEING THIS PARTICULAR
PORTION OF LAND AND THE
ROADWAY WAS STILL OWNED BY THE

06:17:25.076,06:17:30.487
OTHER DEVELOPER.
IT HAS SWITCHED FROM BEING
ALONG THIS AREA AS YOU SEE TO

06:17:30.489,06:17:36.564
THIS AREA AS IT STANDS NOW.
AFFECTING DIFFERENT HOME
OWNERS AT BOTH TIMES,

06:17:36.566,06:17:44.431
OBVIOUSLY, IN OUR DEVELOPMENT
WHICH IS ACTUALLY ROCKCLIFFE
POINT, NOT ROCKCLIFFE PLACE.

06:17:44.433,06:17:51.317
IN REGARDS TO THIS, WE HAVE A
COUPLE OF PROBLEMS: OBVIOUSLY
THEY COULD NOT HAVE BUILT

06:17:51.319,06:17:56.813
WITHOUT THIS LAND SWAP RIGHT
HERE.
IT IS INCORRECT IN SAYING

06:17:56.815,06:18:00.909
THERE IS NO OTHER SWAMP LAND,
IT IS RIGHT HERE ON THIS POND
HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.

06:18:00.911,06:18:08.419
IT IS VERY LOW AND IT’S FILLED
90% OF THE TIME WITH WATER.
THEY’RE PROPOSING TO BUILD TWO

06:18:08.421,06:18:14.355
HOUSES OVER THAT SITE SO I’M
NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW
(INAUDIBLE) — WHEN THEY

06:18:14.357,06:18:19.087
REALIZE THEY ARE OVER A SWAMP
LAND.
THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT THE

06:18:19.089,06:18:25.658
TREES, THIS IS A VERY — THIS
TRIANGLE IS EXTREMELY SLOPED.
EXTREMELY SLOPED AREA.

06:18:25.660,06:18:31.192
IT WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY
FLATTENED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO
BUILD A HOUSE IN IT OR AT

06:18:31.194,06:18:34.961
LEAST THE GRADE IS GOING TO
HAVE TO BE CHANGED
SUBSTANTIALLY, REMOVING ALL OF

06:18:34.963,06:18:41.574
THE PRETTY TREES THAT ARE
THERE.
SO THIS IS THINGS THAT WE JUST

06:18:41.576,06:18:44.683
REALLY DON’T FEEL THAT WE CAN
LIVE WITH.
I MEAN, THESE ARE HOUSES THAT

06:18:44.685,06:18:50.853
ARE IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC
PROBABLY AVERAGE $1.1 MILLION
AND MORE.

06:18:50.855,06:18:56.123
AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT KIND
OF MONEY DON’T PARTICULARLY
WANT AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT

06:18:56.125,06:19:02.898
WE WOULDN’T HAVE GREEN SPACE
BEHIND US.
SO TO BE ALL OF A SUDDEN BEING

06:19:02.900,06:19:06.174
TOLD NO, YOU’RE GOING TO BACK
ON SOMEONE ELSE WITH A
STRUCTURE THAT IS AS HIGH AS

06:19:06.176,06:19:11.843
YOURS AND BE LOOKING FACE TO
FACE ON THEM HAS REALLY HEATED
THE COMMUNITY.

06:19:11.845,06:19:19.314
WE’RE VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
WHAT THE OTHER THING IS, IF
YOU LOOK AT LOTS 2 AND 3, YOU

06:19:19.316,06:19:24.947
HAVE ONE SIDE OF THAT
PARTICULAR — THOSE PARTICULAR
LOTS THAT IS EXTREMELY SHORT.

06:19:24.949,06:19:32.262
I THINK MY ESTIMATES WERE IT’S
AROUND 65 FEET ON ONE SIDE.
I DON’T THINK THAT’S A

06:19:32.264,06:19:35.962
LIVEABLE SPACE AT ALL FOR THEM
TO PUT A HOUSE UP, IT MEANS
THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO THROW

06:19:35.964,06:19:41.564
THEM AN EGG THROUGH THE BACK
WINDOW, BASICALLY.
BY THE TIME THAT THEY PUT UP

06:19:41.566,06:19:48.109
THAT STRUCTURE.
EVEN WITH IT ALLOWING FOR 25
FEET AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE,

06:19:48.111,06:19:52.673
BECAUSE OF THE SEVERE ANGLE ON
THAT ONE CORNER, IT WILL BE
EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE BACK OF

06:19:52.675,06:19:56.584
THE HOUSE.
TO OUR HOUSES.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR

06:19:56.586,06:20:03.887
US.
THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY WOULD

06:20:03.889,06:20:09.237
LIKE TO SEE IS MORE OF A
LINEAR PLAN OF THE GREEN
SPACE.

06:20:09.239,06:20:11.870
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US NOT
HAVING TO BACK ON OTHER
PEOPLE.

06:20:11.872,06:20:17.704
THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE
DEVELOPING IN ROCK LAKE ALL
HAVE GREEN SPACES SURROUNDING

06:20:17.706,06:20:22.011
THEIR HOUSES, ALL OF THEM.
FOR THEM TO PROPOSE THAT
THEY’RE GOING TO BACK ON TO

06:20:22.013,06:20:26.211
PART OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN
VERY UPSETTING FOR US.
WE HAD SUGGESTED THAT THEY PUT

06:20:26.213,06:20:34.950
IN A 3 METER — OR TO PUT IN A
BIKE PATH BEHIND US, HOWEVER
THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEMATIC

06:20:34.952,06:20:38.225
FOR SOME OF THE HOME OWNERS
BECAUSE THEY WORRY ABOUT
SAFETY.

06:20:38.227,06:20:42.865
AS WELL, WE HAVE BEEN
ORPHANNED, UNFORTUNATELY, BY
ROCKY RIDGE.

06:20:42.867,06:20:46.012
ROCK LAKE IS NO LONGER
CONSIDERED PART OF ROCKY
RIDGE.

06:20:46.014,06:20:49.615
YUP.
WE ARE NOT — ONLY — WE WERE
ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THE

06:20:49.617,06:20:54.687
FACILITIES OF ROCKY RIDGE
BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN
GRANDFATHERED IN.

06:20:54.689,06:20:59.321
THEY’RE TAKING OUT THE REST OF
ROCK PLACE.
SO MAINTENANCE OF THOSE

06:20:59.323,06:21:04.456
PATHWAYS, I DON’T KNOW WHO’S
GOING TO MAINTAIN THEM.
AT THIS POINT.

06:21:04.458,06:21:10.798
WHAT WE WANT IS A BUFFER ZONE.
WE WANT THE TREES TO REMAIN.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE

06:21:10.800,06:21:17.040
UNUSABLE LOTS 1-4, WHICH WE
FEEL ARE BACKING ON TO OUR
PROPERTIES, THERE IS NO PARKS

06:21:17.042,06:21:21.741
NEARBY FOR KIDS TO PLAY N WE
HAVE TO GO ACROSS ROCKY RIDGE
ROAD.

06:21:21.743,06:21:25.778
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF THE
OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE EVEN
DONE IT, HAVE EVEN SUGGESTED A

06:21:25.780,06:21:28.380
PARK THERE.
THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO
USE THE PARK FACILITIES THAT

06:21:28.382,06:21:33.816
ARE AT THE ROCKY RIDGE
HOMEOWNER’S ASSOCIATION.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS

06:21:33.818,06:21:38.878
THAT THAT PIECE OF LAND BE
LEFT AS IS EXCEPT FOR THE
CENTRE AREA WHICH IS TO BE

06:21:38.880,06:21:41.780
HOLLOWED OUT FOR A CHILDREN’S
PARK AREA.
SO ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET,

06:21:41.782,06:21:47.119
THAT’S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO
SEE AS THE FIRST FOUR LOTS TO
BE HOLLOWED OUT.

06:21:47.121,06:21:56.296
IF THAT CAN’T BE COMPLETELY
REALIZED, ANY ADJACENT
PROPERTY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE

06:21:56.298,06:22:00.801
MADE A BUNGALOW SO THAT WE ARE
NOT HAVING TO FACE THEM RIGHT
DIRECTLY.

06:22:00.803,06:22:03.771
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT.
THANK YOU.

06:22:03.773,06:22:06.603
MISS COLLIE, SOMETHING YOU
SAID CONCERNED ME, YOU SAID
YOU WERE PROMISED THAT YOU

06:22:06.605,06:22:09.305
WOULD ALWAYS BACK ON TO GREEN
SPACE.
WHO MADE YOU THAT PROMISE?

06:22:09.307,06:22:13.974
>> WE WERE PROMISED —
DIFFERENT PEOPLE WERE PROMISED
IT FOR — CERTAINLY THE HOME

06:22:13.976,06:22:17.948
OWNERS THAT MOVED IN NEXT TO
ME WAS TOLD THAT NO, THERE
WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPMENT

06:22:17.950,06:22:20.508
BEHIND YOU —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: BUT
SURELY — BUT SURELY IT WASN’T

06:22:20.510,06:22:23.855
THE LAND OWNER OF THAT LAND
WHO MADE YOU THAT PROMISE.
>> THE PEOPLE BEHIND US?

06:22:23.857,06:22:25.963
NO.
NO.
BUT IT WAS —

06:22:25.965,06:22:30.005
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I MEAN,
I’M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF
TROUBLE HERE, AND I DON’T MEAN

06:22:30.007,06:22:33.778
TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT
SURELY YOUR NEIGHBOURS ARE NOT
SUGGESTING THAT JUST BECAUSE

06:22:33.780,06:22:37.940
THEY SPEND A — SPENT A LOT OF
MONEY A ON THEIR LAND THAT
THEY CAN SAY WHAT OTHER

06:22:37.942,06:22:42.018
PRIVATE LANDOWNERS CAN DO WITH
THEIR LAND BECAUSE SOME THIRD
PARTY MADE THEM A PROMISE.

06:22:42.020,06:22:44.219
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS

06:22:44.221,06:22:49.425
AREA WAS TO MAINTAIN THE
NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: BUT

06:22:49.427,06:22:54.821
AGAIN, WHOSE IDEA?
>> WELL, I GUESS IT’S PROBABLY,
YOU KNOW, YOU BUY YOUR HOUSE

06:22:54.823,06:22:59.488
AND YOU LISTEN TO YOUR REAL
ESTATE AGENT AND YOU LISTEN TO
— THEN THEN THIS IS SORT OF A

06:22:59.490,06:23:04.364
BIG PROBLEM; RIGHT?
IF YOU’RE MAKING $1.1 MILLION
INVESTMENT, I WOULD SUGGEST

06:23:04.366,06:23:06.998
THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE
THAN WHAT THE REAL ESTATE
AGENT IS SAYING TO YOU.

06:23:07.000,06:23:10.561
>> YES.
YES.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE

06:23:10.563,06:23:16.410
OTHER SIDE OF ROCKY — OF ROCK
LAKE, IT IS COMPLETELY
BUFFERED.

06:23:16.412,06:23:22.050
THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
GOING INTO THAT AREA, ECHO
HAVEN, COMPLETELY BUFFERED.

06:23:22.052,06:23:28.059
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROCK LAKE
SUMMIT, COMPLETELY BUFFERED.
SO WE’RE JUST ASKING FOR THE

06:23:28.061,06:23:34.328
SAME THING.
WE’RE ASKING FOR BUFFER AROUND
US.

06:23:34.330,06:23:39.473
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
WELL, THIS IS INTERESTING.

06:23:39.475,06:23:43.215
I’M VERY SYMPATHETIC WITH THE
ATTEMPT TO PRESERVE THE GREEN
SPACE.

06:23:43.217,06:23:51.224
YOU KIND OF LOST ME WHEN YOU
TALKED ABOUT WHAT AN OWNER OF
EXPENSIVE HOMES DESERVES IN

06:23:51.226,06:24:00.435
CONTRAST WITH OTHERS.
BUT I’M GETTING OVER THAT ONE.
AND I’M GOING TO ASK YOU A

06:24:00.437,06:24:04.497
QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ALDERMAN
CARRA AND I HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSING WHICH IS

06:24:04.499,06:24:07.737
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS IS NOT CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION.

06:24:07.739,06:24:10.967
>> NO, IT’S NOT.
>> WHAT IS CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION, HOWEVER, IS TO

06:24:10.969,06:24:18.975
LOOK AT LAND, ITS MOST
APPROPRIATE IN LAND LIKE THIS
THAT HAVE NATURAL ASSETS OR IN

06:24:18.977,06:24:24.151
SOME CASES HISTORICAL ASSETS,
AND YOU CLUSTER THE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE DISTURBED

06:24:24.153,06:24:31.792
AREAS OR THE LEASED — LEAST
VALUABLE ECOLOGICAL AREAS.
BUT WHAT DO YOU DO IS YOU

06:24:31.794,06:24:37.092
BENEFIT THE LAND OWNER BY
INCREASING THE DENSITY SO THAT
THERE’S ACTUALLY A REASON TO

06:24:37.094,06:24:42.364
DO IT.
SO WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
CLUSTERING DENSITY, IT’S DONE

06:24:42.366,06:24:51.049
A LOT IN THE U.S.
IT GENERATES A LOT OF VALUE
FOR THE HOME OWNERS.

06:24:51.051,06:24:55.156
SO WHAT WE HAVE A TENDENCY —
AND I’M GETTING TO A QUESTION,
I REALLY AM.

06:24:55.158,06:25:01.731
WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO IN
SORT OF TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN
DEVELOPMENT IS WE CARVE UP THE

06:25:01.733,06:25:10.967
LOTS E QUA DISTANT AND — EQUI
DISTANT AND CLEAR THE LAND AND
KIND OF IGNORE THE NATURAL

06:25:10.969,06:25:14.707
ASSET, OR PUT SOME ASIDE AND
NOT DEVELOP ON THAT.
SO I’M WONDERING WHAT THE

06:25:14.709,06:25:22.076
TOLERANCE IS OF YOUR COMMUNITY
TO LOOK AT AN INCREASED
DENSITY, BUT ON DISTURBED LAND

06:25:22.078,06:25:26.582
AND PRESERVING THE NATURAL
ASSETS OF THIS REALLY
BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY

06:25:26.584,06:25:32.445
OF?
BECAUSE I HEAR TWO DIFFERENT
THINGS: I HEAR LOW DENSITY,

06:25:32.447,06:25:38.654
AND I HEAR PRESERVE THE
NATURAL ASSETS, AND THAT MEANS
THAT THE LAND OWNER TAKES THE

06:25:38.656,06:25:43.424
FINANCIAL HIT.
I KNOW WE CAN’T TALK ABOUT
FINANCES HERE, BUT THE WHOLE

06:25:43.426,06:25:47.900
WAY WE PLAN HAS TO HAVE
DEVELOPERS ON SIDE.
SO WE CREATE VALUE OR THE

06:25:47.902,06:25:55.305
WHOLE CONCEPT OF IT IS
CREATING VALUE BY GIVING THEM
VALUE ELSEWHERE.

06:25:55.307,06:26:00.178
WHICH IS ON THE DISTURBED
LAND.
SO — AND I HEAR TWO THINGS.

06:26:00.180,06:26:05.918
IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOUR
COMMUNITY WOULD BE WILLING TO
EXAMPLE?

06:26:05.920,06:26:09.886
>> PUTTING IN WHAT WOULD BE
YOUR EXAMPLE OF A HIGHER
DENSITY?

06:26:09.888,06:26:15.827
>> I’M NOT TALKING A TOWER BUT
MAYBE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT OR
IT MAY BE SMALLER LOT

06:26:15.829,06:26:21.799
DEVELOPMENT BUT IN A MORE
CONCENTRATED AREA SO ALL THE
REALLY EXQUISITE PARTS OF THIS

06:26:21.801,06:26:27.574
PROPERTY ARE PRESERVED.
>> YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I’M ONE
MEMBER OF — IT’S HARD FOR ME

06:26:27.576,06:26:30.208
TO SAY THAT.
>> AND I KNOW YOU’RE ONLY
SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF.

06:26:30.210,06:26:33.149
>> I JUST KNOW THAT WE WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THE TREES STAY
BEHIND US.

06:26:33.151,06:26:36.554
I MEAN, THEY’RE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY’RE BEAUTIFUL.
AS WELL YOU HAVE TO REALIZE,

06:26:36.556,06:26:44.725
IF THEY SHUT OFF THAT CORRIDOR,
WE HAVE DEER AND MOOSE THAT GO
AND ARE IN THE SUMMER AT THAT

06:26:44.727,06:26:47.994
BOTTOM POND.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET OUT?
I HAVE COYOTES THAT GO THROUGH

06:26:47.996,06:26:52.136
THE BACK OF THAT, I CAN HEAR
THEM AT NIGHT, BELIEVE ME,
THEY’RE LOUD.

06:26:52.138,06:26:55.199
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO?
THEY’RE GOING TO END UP ON OUR
STREET.

06:26:55.201,06:27:01.572
>> BUT I THINK THE CRITICAL
QUESTION FOR ME IS WHETHER YOU
— YOU WOULD TOLERATE, I KNOW

06:27:01.574,06:27:06.620
YOU CAN’T SPEAK FOR YOUR
COMMUNITY, WITH CONCENTRATING
THAT DENSITY, AND USUALLY TO

06:27:06.622,06:27:13.597
ENCOURAGE THIS KIND OF THING,
YOU NEED TO ADD MORE DENSITY,
SO YOU’D GET MORE UNITS PER

06:27:13.599,06:27:19.024
OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAN YOU
WOULD WITH CARVING IT UP EQUA
DISTANT.

06:27:19.026,06:27:21.559
>> I WOULD PREFER THAT.
>> YOU WOULD PREFER IT.
>> I WOULD PREFER IT.

06:27:21.561,06:27:24.294
YEAH.
IF IT WAS CENTERED IN THE
MIDDLE OF THAT LAND OR MORE

06:27:24.296,06:27:30.137
TOWARDS THE POND AREA, I WOULD
PREFER THAT TO WHAT IT IS NOW
WHICH IS REALLY BACKING RIGHT

06:27:30.139,06:27:33.942
ON TO PEOPLE.
>> AND IT’S CERTAINLY MY
EXPERIENCE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE

06:27:33.944,06:27:37.006
DO WHEN THEY SEE THE
DIFFERENCE.
IT’S JUST WE HAVEN’T REALLY

06:27:37.008,06:27:39.735
DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF
SHOWING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE
IS.

06:27:39.737,06:27:45.942
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
>> HI, Mr. MAYOR AND COUNCIL,

06:27:45.944,06:27:53.343
I’M A NEIGHBOUR OF DIANE’S IN
LOT…
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SORRY,

06:27:53.345,06:27:58.282
YOUR NAME IS, SIR?
>> CHRIS, KRUPA.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

06:27:58.284,06:28:01.318
Mr. KRUPA.
>> I BROUGHT SOME MAPS AND
STUFF BUT I DON’T THINK I’M

06:28:01.320,06:28:04.787
GOING TO HAND THEM OUT JUST
BASICALLY SHOWING ALL THE
OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE

06:28:04.789,06:28:07.253
AREA, HOW THEY ALL HAVE
BUFFERS.
AND WITH PUTTING THESE FOUR

06:28:07.255,06:28:13.166
LOTS IN BEHIND US THERE, IT
OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES THE BUFFER
AWAY FROM US.

06:28:13.168,06:28:30.979
BUT IT SHOWS HERE ON —
(INAUDIBLE)
— ON THOSE PLANS IT’S GOT ONE

06:28:30.981,06:28:35.589
LOT.
YEAH.
AND THAT TRIANGLE THERE —

06:28:35.591,06:28:44.201
(INAUDIBLE) SO MY BIGGEST
CONCERN IS THAT — WELL FIRST
OF ALL THE ELEVATION DROP OFF

06:28:44.203,06:28:49.133
FROM GRADE OF MY HOUSE IS
ABOUT 20 FEET TO THE BASE OF
THAT, MIDDLE OF THAT TRIANGLE.

06:28:49.135,06:28:55.837
BUT TO PUT THREE LOTS IN THERE
AND TO HAVE THE SETBACK AND
WHATNOT, LIKE DIANE WAS SAYING,

06:28:55.839,06:28:59.233
THOSE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE 60,
65 FEET OR AT LEAST ONE OF
THEM WILL BE.

06:28:59.235,06:29:04.636
SO MY BIGGEST THING IS THE
BUFFER BEHIND EVERYONE, WE
WANT TO KEEP THE TREES.

06:29:04.638,06:29:07.502
I MEAN, I KNOW THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT A BIKE PATH
GOING BACK THERE BUT THE

06:29:07.504,06:29:15.620
SECURITY AND PRIVACY ISSUE OF
THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THEM
TELLING US THERE’S GOING TO BE

06:29:15.622,06:29:27.838
A BACK ALLEY PUT IN THE BACK
THERE.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

06:29:27.840,06:29:46.312
THAT’S REALLY ABOUT IT.
>> Mr. KRUPA, YOU SAID THAT
YOUR HOME IS WHAT, ELEVATED OR

06:29:46.314,06:29:48.353
BELOW THAT?
>> ABOVE.
>> YOU’RE ABOVE THAT.

06:29:48.355,06:29:51.191
>> YEAH.
SO FROM LOT NUMBER 4 WHERE I
AM TO THE BASE OF THAT

06:29:51.193,06:29:54.795
TRIANGLE, LOT NUMBER ONE,
THERE’S ABOUT A 20 FOOT
ELEVATION DIFFERENCE.

06:29:54.797,06:29:57.065
>> OKAY.
IS THERE A RETAINING WALL
BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY?

06:29:57.067,06:29:59.968
>> NO.
>> NO.
THAT’S SOMETHING ELSE I COULD

06:29:59.970,06:30:04.113
HAVE, SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP
BUT I DON’T SPEAK IN FRONT OF
PEOPLE TOO OFTEN.

06:30:04.115,06:30:10.814
BUT A RETAINING WALL WOULD BE
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY
KEPT — KEPT 20 FOOT DEPTH OF

06:30:10.816,06:30:15.385
ELEVATION, IF THERE WAS A
RETAINING WALL PUT IN, I’D BE
ALL FOR THAT TOO.

06:30:15.387,06:30:18.687
>> NO, I’M JUST TRYING TO GET
—
>> NO, THERE’S NO RETAINING

06:30:18.689,06:30:22.397
WALL, JUST A SLOPE 20 FEET
RIGHT DOWN INTO —
>> AND THAT’S TREED UP IN

06:30:22.399,06:30:24.906
THERE; RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
HEAVILY TREED IN THERE; YEAH.

06:30:24.908,06:30:33.539
>> OKAY.
AND ALL OF YOUR MOST OF THESE
PROPERTIES I ASSUME ALL HAVE

06:30:33.541,06:30:38.541
FRONT DRIVES NO, ALLEY?
>> YEAH, NO ALLEYS.
>> FRONT DRIVES.

06:30:38.543,06:30:40.143
OKAY.
THAT’S ALL THE QUESTIONS I
HAVE FOR YOU.

06:30:40.145,06:30:42.785
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN CHABOT.

06:30:42.787,06:30:44.885
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THESE
FOLKS?
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH

06:30:44.887,06:30:49.050
FOR BEING HERE.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS?

06:30:49.052,06:31:04.903
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION?
>> MAYOR, ALDERMEN, MY NAME IS

06:31:04.905,06:31:12.700
ASHKA FAQ.
I’VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1952.
I FIND THIS VERY DISTURBING

06:31:12.702,06:31:22.577
JUST LOOKING AT THE GREENERY,
LUSH AREA THAT I’VE SEEN ON
THE — THAT WAS SHOWED, IT’S

06:31:22.579,06:31:35.277
JUST LIKE PARADISE.
WETLANDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
KEPT, LOOK AT SPRUCE MEADOWS

06:31:35.279,06:31:43.185
30 YEARS AGO, THEY BUILD A
ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THE LAKE TO
BUILD SPRUCE MEADOWS.

06:31:43.187,06:31:48.195
AND THERE’S MANY OTHER ONES
WITH WHAT THE CITY DID.
MAYBE THIS WHOLE AREA SHOULD

06:31:48.197,06:31:57.774
HAVE BEEN KEPT.
MAKE A LAKE OUT OF IT.
USE IT FOR LEISURE.

06:31:57.776,06:32:09.389
YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THE COUNCIL
TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING,
CONSERVATION BUT ALL I HEAR IS

06:32:09.391,06:32:24.102
TALK.
WHY?
A SMALL, WET AREA, IT DRIES UP

06:32:24.104,06:32:30.265
VERY QUICKLY.
IF IT’S A BIG, WET AREA, IT
WILL STAY THERE FOREVER.

06:32:30.267,06:32:39.036
BECAUSE THE BOTTOM, IT’S GOT
SILT AND EVERYTHING, IT
FILTERS THE WATER THROUGH THE

06:32:39.038,06:32:46.583
— THROUGH THE SOIL, AND THE
TREES CREATE DAMPNESS, CREATE
— IT CREATES A GOOD

06:32:46.585,06:32:56.218
ENVIRONMENT FOR THE BIRDS,
ANIMALS AND EVERYTHING.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT?

06:32:56.220,06:33:03.236
I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING
ABOUT THE PROPOSED FRIENDLY
URBAN — THE BIRD FRIENDLY,

06:33:03.238,06:33:06.075
URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: TOO
LATE.

06:33:06.077,06:33:10.708
>> NO, I’M JUST SAYING THOUGH,
IT’S THE SAME THING.
IT’S SUPPOSED — WE’RE NOT

06:33:10.710,06:33:15.273
SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE BIRDS FLY
INTO THE WINDOWS.
BUT BIRDS ARE SMART, ANIMALS

06:33:15.275,06:33:20.153
ARE SMART.
THEY’RE PROBABLY SMARTER THAN
PEOPLE ARE.

06:33:20.155,06:33:30.502
BECAUSE THEY DO WITH INSTINCT.
I WATCH A LOT OF DUTY
INDUSTRIES, LIONS AND ALL THE

06:33:30.504,06:33:35.306
— DOCUMENTARIES, LIONS AND
HYENAS, THEY ONLY WILL KILL
FOR FOOD.

06:33:35.308,06:33:39.205
PEOPLE WILL DO FOR GREED,
MONEY AND POWER.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT?

06:33:39.207,06:33:42.678
IT IS RELEVANT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AT
THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT CITY

06:33:42.680,06:33:47.921
COUNCIL MAY DO ANYTHING FOR
FOOD, Mr. FAQ.
I’VE KEPT THEM FROM DINNER.

06:33:47.923,06:33:54.450
>> MAYOR, YOU’VE BEEN AROUND
AND WHAT I’M SAYING ABOUT ALL
THIS, WHY I WAS SAYING ONE

06:33:54.452,06:34:00.780
THING AND DOING SOMETHING
ELSE.
THEY KEEP REPEATING, REPEATING,

06:34:00.782,06:34:18.302
REPEATING.
THE GREEN BUILDINGS.
IN 1956, THEY DID BUILD GREEN

06:34:18.304,06:34:20.905
BUILDINGS —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ON
THIS ONE, ON THIS ONE.

06:34:20.907,06:34:24.741
>> I KNOW BUT IT’S THE SAME
THING, WE HAVE TO CREATE AN
ILLUSION IT WILL BE A GREEN

06:34:24.743,06:34:27.969
BUILDING, IT WILL BE
DIFFERENT.
NO, IT’S NOT DIFFERENT.

06:34:27.971,06:34:33.873
IT’S THE SAME.
LIKE HERE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE GOT TO KEEP THAT WHOLE AREA

06:34:33.875,06:34:40.453
FOR THE FUTURE.
WE CAN’T BUILD A NEW LAKE AND
HOPE IT’S GOING TO STAY THERE.

06:34:40.455,06:34:49.117
NO, BECAUSE THE LOW SPOTS ARE
USUALLY WHAT THE DIVINE HAS
CREATED FOR OUR NEEDS.

06:34:49.119,06:34:52.781
BUT MANKIND IS DESTROYING IT
AND THEN THINK THEY’RE
SMARTER.

06:34:52.783,06:34:59.437
YOU SEE, IF WE NEED THE TREES,
WE NEED THE PONDS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.

06:34:59.439,06:35:07.436
BUT LOOK AT ARIZONA.
THEY WERE SO DRY ALL THE TIME.
SINCE THEY BUILT MORE LAKES,

06:35:07.438,06:35:12.039
MORE EVERYTHING ELSE, IT’S
GOTTEN WETTER AND THEY GET
MORE RAIN NOW THAN THEY USED

06:35:12.041,06:35:18.122
TO BEFORE.
OTHERWISE — IT’S NOT FUNNY
BUT IT’S — ALDERMAN JONES,

06:35:18.124,06:35:21.162
IT’S NOT FUNNY BUT IT’S A
FACT.
I STUDY ALL THIS.

06:35:21.164,06:35:29.331
EUROPE IS KEEPING ALL THE
PONDS, ALL THE WETLANDS.
RUSSIA IS THE SAME THING.

06:35:29.333,06:35:34.195
BUT WHY ARE WE DESTROYING
HERE?
U.S. IS PARTLY DOING THE SAME

06:35:34.197,06:35:42.021
THING.
THE LAKES ARE DRYING UP, THE
PONDS ARE DRYING UP.

06:35:42.023,06:35:46.085
NOTHING HAS STOPPED RAPING THE
SOIL.
WE’RE GOING TO CREATE A

06:35:46.087,06:35:53.760
DESERT.
WE’RE ALL GOING TO CREATE A
DESERT JUST LIKE THE DESERT IS,

06:35:53.762,06:36:02.302
NOT IF WE KEEP OUR ENVIRONMENT
SAFE AND KEEP THE TREES, THE
LAKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

06:36:02.304,06:36:07.206
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, Mr. FAQ.
>> NO, BUT…

06:36:07.208,06:36:11.407
I’M ALWAYS WRAPPING UP, BUT
YOU GUYS DON’T WANT TO LISTEN
TOE MOVEMENT YOU DO WHATEVER

06:36:11.409,06:36:14.741
YOU WANT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT, Mr. FAQ, YOUR TIME IS

06:36:14.743,06:36:16.139
UP.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

06:36:16.141,06:36:28.698
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT.
ALDERMAN HODGES.

06:36:28.700,06:36:32.162
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP.
IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, WE
DON’T HAVE A PLANNING

06:36:32.164,06:36:33.865
COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WE DO
NOT.

06:36:33.867,06:36:39.302
>> SO I THOUGHT THAT HOPEFULLY
THE SIMPLEST MATTER IS TO GO
TO PAGE 7.

06:36:39.304,06:36:44.276
PAGE 7 YOU HAVE THE CORPORATE
PLANNING APPLICATIONS GROUP
RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

06:36:44.278,06:36:51.058
A AND B.
HOWEVER, B WAS SHELLED AT THE
COMMISSION, TABLED AT THE

06:36:51.060,06:36:58.488
COMMISSION, SO WE DON’T — WE
CAN’T PERHAPS PROCEED WITH THE
OUTLINE PLAN ON THIS — NOW

06:36:58.490,06:37:02.257
POLICE FLOWAN MAY SAY
SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO WE

06:37:02.259,06:37:05.554
CAN ONLY DO A, NOT B.
>> YEAH.
AND YOUR WORSHIP, IT’S BEEN A

06:37:05.556,06:37:09.114
LONG DAY ALREADY.
I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO MOVE
A, PLEASE.

06:37:09.116,06:37:13.823
AND I HAVE A —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN LOWE.

06:37:13.825,06:37:18.030
>> I HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT
I’D LIKE TO MOFFAT SECOND
READING.

06:37:18.032,06:37:21.373
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.
SO ALDERMAN LOWE HAS MOVED IT.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?

06:37:21.375,06:37:26.073
VERY WELL THEN.
SO IT IS ON THE FLOOR,
RECOMMENDATION A,

06:37:26.075,06:37:28.938
RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL
ADOPT BY BYLAW THE
REDESIGNATION, ET CETERA, ET

06:37:28.940,06:37:33.940
CETERA.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THIS I KNOW
ALDERMAN FARRELL LIKES THE

06:37:33.942,06:37:37.013
CONCEPT OF CONSERVATION
DESIGN.
WELL, WE TRIED IT A FEW YEARS

06:37:37.015,06:37:43.110
AGO AND IN MY VIEW, IT DID NOT
WORK VERY SATISFACTORILY.
EAR HERE WE HAVE AN

06:37:43.112,06:37:47.288
APPLICATION FROM A LAND OWNER
— HERE WE HAVE AN APPLICATION
FROM A LAND OWNER THAT WAS

06:37:47.290,06:37:51.991
HERE TODAY AND REPRESENTED BY
CONSULTANT WHO ARE PROVIDING
30% MUNICIPAL RESERVE ON THE

06:37:51.993,06:38:03.380
SITE, AND PRESERVING ALMOST
ALL OF THE WETLANDS IN THAT
SOUTH — SOUTHWEST CORNER OF

06:38:03.382,06:38:08.288
THE SITE, WHICH IS A FAR
BETTER PROPOSAL NOW THAN WHEN
THE APPLICATION WAS FIRST

06:38:08.290,06:38:15.123
MADE.
SO GIVEN THE PROGRESS MADE ON
THIS AND IT DOES I DO REMEMBER

06:38:15.125,06:38:21.787
TO THE AREA STRUCTURE —
CONFORM TO THE AREA STRUCTURE
PLAN, I’M PREPARED TO MOVE —

06:38:21.789,06:38:26.427
SORRY, I’M PREPARED TO SUPPORT
THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CPEG
WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MOVED

06:38:26.429,06:38:28.759
BUT I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT
SECOND READING.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY,

06:38:28.761,06:38:32.792
THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.
ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.

06:38:32.794,06:38:36.194
WELL I WON’T BE SUPPORTING IT,
AS I DIDN’T IN PLANNING
COMMISSION.

06:38:36.196,06:38:43.015
AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE AN
ESTABLISHED CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION POLICY.

06:38:43.017,06:38:49.998
AND FRANKLY, WE HAVEN’T EVEN
TRIED IT YET.
BECAUSE THERE IS A RECOGNITION

06:38:50.000,06:38:54.865
THAT LANDOWNERS NEED TO GET
VALUE OUT OF LAND.
AND YET WE ALSO ARE WANTING TO

06:38:54.867,06:39:00.132
PRESERVE SOME OF THESE REALLY
PRECIOUS ENVIRONMENTALLY
SENSITIVE AREAS.

06:39:00.134,06:39:05.365
SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
YOU CONCENTRATE THE DENSITY IN
THE AREAS THAT ARE DISTURBED.

06:39:05.367,06:39:13.111
AND WE STILL HAVE A MINDSET
WHERE YOU CARVE UPLAND IN
EQUAL LITTLE PARCELS AND THEN

06:39:13.113,06:39:21.979
WHATEVER IS LEFT YOU CAN
DESIGNATE ER.
BUT THAT’S NOT CONSERVATION

06:39:21.981,06:39:25.817
SUBDIVISION.
AND IT WORKS.
SO UNTIL THE DAY THAT WE ARE

06:39:25.819,06:39:30.085
WILLING TO TRY IT, I THINK
I’LL JUST CONTINUE TO GET UP
AND TALK ABOUT IT.

06:39:30.087,06:39:34.665
BUT I URGE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
WHO AREN’T FAMILIAR WITH, IT
I’VE GOT A COUPLE OF REALLY

06:39:34.667,06:39:39.440
GREAT BOOKS IN MY OFFICE, TO
LOOK AT WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS
AND LOOKS LIKE.

06:39:39.442,06:39:43.236
BECAUSE IT’S QUITE SIMPLE TO
DO.
BUT IT IS RECOGNIZING THAT

06:39:43.238,06:39:50.045
LANDOWNERS NEED TO GET VALUE
FROM THEIR LAND WHILE
CONTRIBUTING TO THE

06:39:50.047,06:39:53.982
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH OF OUR
CITY.
AND I THINK IT’S — IT’S —

06:39:53.984,06:39:57.920
IT’S DISAPPOINTING IN THIS
CASE BECAUSE IF YOU SAW THE
LAND THAT WILL BE CARVED UP

06:39:57.922,06:40:02.685
INTO LITTLE EQUAL PARCELS,
IT’S REALLY EXQUISITE
PROPERTY.

06:40:02.687,06:40:06.620
SO I’M —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO,
ALDERMAN FARRELL.

06:40:06.622,06:40:09.787
>> YES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’VE
JUST BEEN CONSULTING WITH MY

06:40:09.789,06:40:13.004
COLLEAGUES UP HERE.
THERE’S A COUPLE WAYS FORWARD
HERE TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT

06:40:13.006,06:40:17.179
TO GO.
THE FIRST IS ONE COULD PUT
THIS FORTH AND IF IT’S PASSED,

06:40:17.181,06:40:22.048
THEN WE’RE DONE, AND IF IT’S
DEFEATED, THEN PRESUMABLY THE
LAND OWNER COULD THINK ABOUT

06:40:22.050,06:40:29.019
WHAT YOU’RE SUGGESTING.
IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SEND
IT WITH A RECOMMENDATION BUT

06:40:29.021,06:40:32.186
IT HAS TO BE A VERY SPECIFIC
RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT YOU
WOULD LIKE DONE.

06:40:32.188,06:40:37.657
AND I’M JUST NOT SURE WHAT
YOUR INTENT IS.
>> TO REFER IT BACK TO

06:40:37.659,06:40:44.724
ADMINISTRATION TO — AND IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC
THAT TO BE REVIEWED IN CONTEXT

06:40:44.726,06:40:51.631
OF THE CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION POLICY, AND THAT
WOULD BE RECOGNIZING SOME

06:40:51.633,06:40:57.974
ADDITIONAL DENSITY ON THE SITE.
(INAUDIBLE).
>> NOW THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING

06:40:57.976,06:41:01.114
IS DONE —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: HAPPY
TO DO THAT TO SEE IF WE COULD

06:41:01.116,06:41:03.677
COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION
OVER THE BREAK.
OKAY.

06:41:03.679,06:41:11.723
SO I DON’T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT
THOUGH, MADAM CLERK?
SORRY?

06:41:11.725,06:41:22.241
(INAUDIBLE) OH, WE HAVE TO
FINISH THE ITEM.
YOU CAN’T RECONSIDER A RECESS.

06:41:22.243,06:41:29.685
BET YOU THAT IS BRAND NEW TO
MOST PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE.
I DIDN’T KNOW THAT.

06:41:29.687,06:41:32.682
>> SO —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: BUT WE
COULD TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL

06:41:32.684,06:41:45.685
LATER IN THE MEETING, COULDN’T
WE, MADAM CLERK?
>> THAT’S AN ELABORATE WAY OF

06:41:45.687,06:41:52.725
GETTING AROUND THAT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TABLE?
ALL RIGHT.

06:41:52.727,06:41:57.397
BECAUSE I’M READY TO CHEW OFF
ALDERMAN HODGE’S ARM —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: HE MAY

06:41:57.399,06:42:01.408
ENJOY THAT.
SO YOU’RE WILLING TO TABLE
THIS ITEM UNTIL LATER WHEN

06:42:01.410,06:42:03.814
COUNCIL RETURNS FROM ITS
DINNER BREAK?
WELL DONE, DO I HAVE A

06:42:03.816,06:42:07.152
SECONDER?
THANKS ALDERMAN STEVENSON, ARE
WE AGREED?

06:42:07.154,06:42:16.275
OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
SO WE WILL BE BACK — WHEN

06:42:16.277,06:42:21.573
WILL WE BE BACK?
JUST AN HOUR?
ALL RIGHT.

06:42:21.575,06:43:36.149
SO WE’LL BE BACK AT 10 MINUTES
TO 8.
>> AND WE ARE BACK.

06:43:36.151,06:43:42.251
ALDERMAN FARRELL, I THINK FROM
OVER DINNER I HEARD THAT YOU
ARE NOT GOING TO DO A REFERRAL

06:43:42.253,06:43:48.652
MOTION OR ARE YOU?
>> NO, I AM NOT.
AND IN DISCUSSION I WILL JUST

06:43:48.654,06:43:55.222
PREEMPT THE STRIKE HERE ANY
DISCUSSION WITH ALDERMAN
HODGES AND A FEW OF MY

06:43:55.224,06:43:59.988
COLLEAGUES.
DECIDED THERE ARE SOME LARGE
PARCELS IN ROCKY RIDGE THAT

06:43:59.990,06:44:07.933
ARE UNDEVELOPED.
AND WE LIKELY HAVE A BETTER
RESULT IF WE LOOKED AT THOSE

06:44:07.935,06:44:10.833
LARGE PARCELS.
AMOTION ARISING AFTER THIS
ONE.

06:44:10.835,06:44:16.267
I WOKEN BE SUPPORTING THIS
LAND USE BUT I’M NOT GOING TO
ATTEMPT TO REFER IT.

06:44:16.269,06:44:19.834
I DO HAVE A MOTION ARISING
THAT LOOKS AT THE BIGGER
PICTURE.

06:44:19.836,06:44:29.425
>> THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> I’M READY TO —

06:44:29.427,06:44:33.523
HAS IT BEEN MOVED YET?
YEAH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE

06:44:33.525,06:44:39.698
STATEMENT PUBLICLY THAT THIS
IS —
THIS IS DEFINITELY 100%

06:44:39.700,06:44:45.001
NON-CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS JUST A TRIANGULAR
PIECE OF SLAP WHICH STANDS FOR

06:44:45.003,06:44:52.117
SPACE LEFT AFTER PLANNING, AND
THAT’S UNFORTUNATELY HOW WE
DESIGN TOO MUCH SPACE IN

06:44:52.119,06:45:00.016
CALGARY AS WE TRY TO LOT IN
THE LOTS AND THEN WHAT IS LEFT
OVER BECOMES MR OR PARKLAND.

06:45:00.018,06:45:06.067
SO I THINK THE HORSE HAS LEFT
THE BARN ON THIS ONE.
IT BREAKS MY HEART THOUGH.

06:45:06.069,06:45:11.736
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ALDERMAN LOWE, YOU MOVED IT.
YOU ARE JUST GOING TO CLOSE.

06:45:11.738,06:45:17.308
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> ALDERMAN LOWE —
I HAVE AMENDMENT TO SECOND

06:45:17.310,06:45:22.412
READING.
>> SECOND READING, OKAY.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?

06:45:22.414,06:45:32.456
>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR
ADMINISTRATION.
Mr. ORR, I WAS LOOKING OVER

06:45:32.458,06:45:38.287
SOME OF THE MAPS AND I
COULDN’T TELL IF THERE WAS ANY
SPECIFIC WILDLIFE CORRIDORS

06:45:38.289,06:45:46.204
THAT LED INTO THAT AREA.
COULD YOU TELL ME WHETHER OR
NOT THERE ARE ANY CONTINUOUS

06:45:46.206,06:46:06.416
WILDLIFE CORRIDORS THAT LEAD
INTO THIS AREA?
OTHER THAN ROADS, I GUESS NOT.

06:46:06.418,06:46:11.920
>> NO, I DON’T BELIEVE SO,
YOUR WORSHIP.
THERE ARE SOME —

06:46:11.922,06:46:22.367
(Inaudible).
NOT A SPECIFIC WILDLIFE PER
SE.

06:46:22.369,06:46:28.372
>> OKAY.
THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS RAISED
BY ADJACENT RESIDENTS

06:46:28.374,06:46:37.403
SPECIFICALLY IN ACCORDANCE
WITH TO THE POTENTIAL
PROXIMITY TO THEIR RESIDENCE.

06:46:37.405,06:46:39.969
SETBACKS STILL ARE REQUIRED,
RIGHT?
>> YEAH.

06:46:39.971,06:46:45.303
ABSOLUTELY.
>> SIX METERS.
>> 7.5.

06:46:45.305,06:46:53.543
>> 7.5 METERS, OKAY.
>> THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM
7.5 PLUS 7.5, 15 METER

06:46:53.545,06:46:57.044
SEPARATION MINIMUM?
>> YES, THAT’S CORRECT.
>> THAT’S ALL THE QUESTIONS I

06:46:57.046,06:47:05.225
HAD YOUR WORSHIP, THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
I’M JUST DEBATING WHETHER I

06:47:05.227,06:47:11.342
WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, NO I
WILL GO TO ALDERMAN LOWE TO
CLOSE.

06:47:11.344,06:47:19.388
>>> YOUR WORSHIP, IT’S
INTERESTING BECAUSE THE DEBATE
REFLECTED THE DEBATE AT CBC,

06:47:19.390,06:47:25.119
WHAT HAPPENED AT CBC, OF
COURSE FOUR OF US ON ONE SIDE
AND FOUR OF THEM ON THE OTHER

06:47:25.121,06:47:33.160
SIDE.
OR YOU COULD TURN THAT AROUND.
IT’S WHOLLY MATERIAL.

06:47:33.162,06:47:40.068
I’M VERY PLEASED THAT ALDERMAN
FARRELL HAS ELECTED NOT TO TRY
TO CHANGE THIS ONE BECAUSE MY

06:47:40.070,06:47:46.497
ARGUMENT WAS GOING TO BE
EXACTLY THAT.
THAT THIS PIECE OF LAND —

06:47:46.499,06:47:51.370
THERE IS AN ECONOMIC REALITY
TO LAND.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS

06:47:51.372,06:47:57.847
KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK
YOU HAVE TO START AT A PIECE
OF LAND AND YOU HAVE TO

06:47:57.849,06:48:02.490
RECOGNIZE THAT AND YOU HAVE TO
ASSIGN IT A DENSITY THAT
ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT.

06:48:02.492,06:48:09.955
AND TO DO THAT YOU NEED A
PALLET IN WHICH TO WORK.
AND ON A PALLET HERE SIMPLY

06:48:09.957,06:48:17.931
ISN’T BIG ENOUGH AND IT HAS
ALREADY BEEN DISTURBED.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I STOOD UP

06:48:17.933,06:48:22.304
AND MOVED APPROVAL.
PLEASED TO MOVE APPROVAL AND
THREE READINGS OF THE

06:48:22.306,06:48:25.607
APPROPRIATE BYLAW.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN LOWE.
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WE

06:48:25.609,06:48:36.686
AGREED?
OPPOSED?
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

06:48:36.688,06:48:42.600
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

06:48:42.602,06:48:46.667
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> NO.

06:48:46.669,06:48:52.272
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?

06:48:52.274,06:48:54.838
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> YES.

06:48:54.840,06:48:58.744
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YES.

06:48:58.746,06:49:01.783
>> ALDERMAN JONES?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING?

06:49:01.785,06:49:06.088
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YES.

06:49:06.090,06:49:08.516
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MAR.

06:49:08.518,06:49:10.983
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> NO.

06:49:10.985,06:49:14.220
>> MAYOR NENSHI.
>> YES.
>> CARRIED YOUR WORSHIP.

06:49:14.222,06:49:17.257
>> THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE THAT WE’LL DO THE
THREE READINGS OF THE BYLAW

06:49:17.259,06:49:21.430
AND YOUR MOTION ARISING
ALDERMAN FARRELL.
FIRST READING ARE WE AGREED.

06:49:21.432,06:49:27.559
OPPOSED?
SAME DIVISION.
ARE WE AGREED.

06:49:27.561,06:49:30.321
OKAY.
BEFORE WE GET TO SECOND
READING ALDERMAN HODGES?

06:49:30.323,06:49:34.894
>> YES.
YOUR WORSHIP, THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT I BROUGHT THE ATTENTION

06:49:34.896,06:49:38.959
TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND
ASKED THEM TO DO A PROPOSED
AMENDMENT AT SECOND READING

06:49:38.961,06:49:45.136
AND THAT SIMPLY TO MATCH THE
LAND USE ON THE DEVELOPMENT
PARCEL THAT’S LAND USE IS

06:49:45.138,06:49:53.105
IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH AND
EAST OF THIS SITE, ON THE
DECKER LANDS.

06:49:53.107,06:50:00.010
AND MADAM CLERK HAS A COPY OF
WHAT WE WANT TO INTRODUCE AS
THE NEW SCHEDULE, AND THE NEW

06:50:00.012,06:50:07.818
SCHEDULE B IS STILL 21 SINGLE
FAMILY LOTS OR DEPENDING ON
THE LAND SWAPS, LAND PURCHASE

06:50:07.820,06:50:12.486
OR SWAPS IT MAY NEED TO OCCUR.
BUT IT’S STILL THE SAME BASIC
PLAN.

06:50:12.488,06:50:24.795
BUT MY RATIONAL IS IT’S THE
SAME LAND USE AS 94-D-2010,
94-D-2010, SITE THREE, 5 AND

06:50:24.797,06:50:27.370
1.
IT’S A MATCH FOR THE EAST AND
THE SOUTH SIDE.

06:50:27.372,06:50:39.206
THANK YOU.
>> DO A SECONDER FOR THAT
AMENDMENT?

06:50:39.208,06:50:46.051
THANKS ALDERMAN KEATING.
ANY DISCUSSION.
ALDERMAN LOWE?

06:50:46.053,06:50:58.573
>> I DON’T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN
TELL ME WHAT THE LAND USE IS
ON THESE DC SITES.

06:50:58.575,06:51:14.054
I DON’T HAVE MY REFERENCE
MATERIAL HERE.
94-D, 2010 SITE 1.

06:51:14.056,06:51:19.597
>> LAND USE IS INDEED VERY
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS BEING
BROUGHT FORWARD YOUR WORSHIP.

06:51:19.599,06:51:25.978
THE DIFFERENCE FROM THIS
STANDARD DISTRICT IS THE
SINGLE ATTACHED DWELLING HAS

06:51:25.980,06:51:32.355
BEEN REMOVED AS PERMITTED USE
AND THEREFORE ANYTHING WOULD
BE DISCRETIONARY USE.

06:51:32.357,06:51:39.660
THERE IS GENERAL COMMENTS IN
THE DC FOR SENSITIVE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE PURPOSE

06:51:39.662,06:53:06.474
STATEMENT.
(PLEASE STAND BY)
THERE IS LAND WORK

06:53:06.476,06:53:10.638
ESTABLISHED.
ALL I WANT TO BE TO DO IS BE
CONSISTENT WITH THE PROCESS OF

06:53:10.640,06:53:16.636
APPROVAL THAT WE HAVE GOING.
>> STILL, Mr. WATSON, WOULD
YOU MIND?

06:53:16.638,06:53:20.909
>> TO THE CHAIR ALDERMAN
HODGES IS RIGHT.
ALL THEY ARE DOING IS PUT ON

06:53:20.911,06:53:25.877
THIS LAND THE SAME LAND USE
THAT SITS ON THE ADJOINING
PARCELS.

06:53:25.879,06:53:32.077
AND AS ALDERMAN LOWE ASKS,
REALLY WHAT IT DOES IS REQUIRE
DEVELOPMENT PERMITS FOR ALL

06:53:32.079,06:53:36.115
THE HOUSES.
>> INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT
PERMITS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL

06:53:36.117,06:53:38.713
LOT?
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
PLUS A DEVELOP IN PERMIT IN

06:53:38.715,06:53:42.952
ORDER BEFORE THE STRIPPING AND
GRADING STARTS.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S SOME

06:53:42.954,06:53:49.663
DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT IS
GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
>> DOES THAT NOT NORMALLY TAKE

06:53:49.665,06:53:53.366
PLACE ANYWAY?
REGARDS TO DRAINAGE?
>> WELL, THERE’S CERTAINLY

06:53:53.368,06:53:56.437
SOME MATERIAL WE HAVE TO LOOK
AT BEFORE WE PERMIT STRIPPING
AND GRADING.

06:53:56.439,06:54:05.912
BUT THIS WILL BE A FULLER
EVALUATION THAN NORMAL.
>> SO IF YOU’RE REQUIRED TO

06:54:05.914,06:54:09.316
COME FORWARD WITH AN
INDIVIDUAL PERMIT FOR A LOT,
HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT YOU

06:54:09.318,06:54:18.112
HAVE A CONTINUOUS LAND?
>> IT’S UP TO THE APPLICANT OF
COURSE, BUT THEY’D PROBABLY

06:54:18.114,06:54:22.191
COME IN– NOT ONE AT A TIME.
THEY’LL BRING IN SIX AT A TIME
OR SOMETHING.

06:54:22.193,06:54:26.267
SO WE’LL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW
STREET FRONTAGE OR HOW IT
MIGHT WORK.

06:54:26.269,06:54:31.075
OF COURSE AS INDIVIDUAL
APPLICATIONS THEY ARE SUBJECT
TO APPEAL.

06:54:31.077,06:54:37.408
>> SO IF WE ARE TO NOT APPROVE
THIS, THEN HOW WOULD THIS
DEVELOPMENT GO FORTH?

06:54:37.410,06:54:41.582
>> IF THIS WAS NOT APPROVED
AND THE LAND YOU SET WAS
PROPOSED WAS APPROVED THEN

06:54:41.584,06:54:50.565
THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO
BUILDING PERMITS.
>> THEY’D STILL BE SUBJECT TO

06:54:50.567,06:54:54.831
THE SAME REQUIREMENTS IN
REGARDS TO LAND USE?
>> OH YEAH, ALL THE

06:54:54.833,06:54:58.400
SUBDIVISION TECHNICAL
REQUIREMENTS PEOPLE SEND.
>> THANKS FOR THAT

06:54:58.402,06:55:05.710
CLARIFICATION.
>> ALL RIGHT, ANYWHERE ELSE ON
THE AMENDMENT?

06:55:05.712,06:55:09.450
DID YOU WANT TO CLOSE ALDERMAN
HODGES?
>> YES, WHAT HAPPENED IN OTHER

06:55:09.452,06:55:13.687
DISTRICTS IN THE NORTHWEST
THAT I’M FAMILIAR WITH IS A
COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT

06:55:13.689,06:55:20.510
PERMIT THAT IDENTIFIES THE
SKAP IN THE LAY-OUT OF THE
INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS ALL

06:55:20.512,06:55:27.825
LINED UP OF COURSE HERE ON
EACH SIDE OF THE NEW ROAD.
AND IT’S PRETTY STRAIGHT

06:55:27.827,06:55:30.796
FORWARD.
AND IT PROVIDES FOR AS I SAID
IN THE FRONT PAGE HERE PROVIDE

06:55:30.798,06:55:38.468
FOR CON TECH CHURLLY–
CONTEXTURALLY SENTIVELY
DEVELOPED.

06:55:38.470,06:55:45.614
>> THANK YOU, ON THE AMENDMENT
THEN, ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

06:55:45.616,06:55:54.531
THAT’S IT.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OPPOSED?

06:55:54.533,06:56:01.740
ALDERMAN CHABOT AND I ARE
OPPOSED.
SECOND READING OF THE BYLAW

06:56:01.742,06:56:05.038
THEN ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?
SAME DIVISION?

06:56:05.040,06:56:09.733
AGREED, ALL RIGHT,
AUTHORIZATION, AWAITING FOR
BYLE THE LAW ARE WE AGREED?

06:56:09.735,06:56:14.711
ANY OPPOSED?
THIRD READING, AGREEED IN ANY
OPPOSED?

06:56:14.713,06:56:17.717
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT.
SAME DIVISION, THANK YOU.

06:56:17.719,06:56:27.933
I THOUGHT I SAID THAT ALREADY.
YEAH, OKAY.
>> THANK YOU.

06:56:27.935,06:56:40.304
SO IN DISCUSSION OVER THE
SUPPER BREAK, MY MOTION
ARISING IS AS FOLLOWS.

06:56:40.306,06:56:44.612
THERE WE GO.
DIRECTED MIN STRAGS TO ENGAGE
A THIRD PARTY TO ILLUSTRATE

06:56:44.614,06:56:48.317
HOW THE PRINCIPALS OF
CONSERVATION DESIGN COULD BE
APPLIED TO THE REMAINING LARGE

06:56:48.319,06:56:53.192
PARCEL IN THE NORTHEAST
QUARTERSECTION IN ROCKY RIDGE
AND REPORT THROUGH TO COUNCIL,

06:56:53.194,06:56:59.896
OR THROUGH CPC TO COUNCIL NO
LATER THAN OCTOBER 2nd.
AND SO WHAT WE’LL DO WITH THIS

06:56:59.898,06:57:05.174
PROCESS, IF IT’S APPROVED OR
SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL, IS LOOK
AT SOMETHING THAT HAS MORE

06:57:05.176,06:57:11.915
MEANING THAN JUST TAKING THE
RESIDUAL ORPHAN SITES, AND
TRYING TO RETROFIT A DIFFERENT

06:57:11.917,06:57:16.216
POLICY.
WE DO HAVE THE CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES, BUT

06:57:16.218,06:57:23.153
THIS WOULD HELP BRING A THIRD
PARTY TO HELP US WITH IT.
SINCE WE HAVEN’T SUCCESSFULLY

06:57:23.155,06:57:29.466
APPLIED THEM IN CALGARY.
KONSER VAEGS SUBDIVISION OR
CONSERVATION DESIGN?

06:57:29.468,06:57:34.334
DOES IT MATTER?
>> SUBDIVISION DESIGN.
>> OKAY.

06:57:34.336,06:57:39.605
SO CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
>> DESIGN.
>> CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION

06:57:39.607,06:57:42.014
DESIGN.
>> YEAH.
SUBDIVISION DESIGN.

06:57:42.016,06:57:48.726
>> OKAY.
>> I THINK REPORT BACK WITH
THE ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THE

06:57:48.728,06:57:51.852
PRINCIPALS WOULD WORK?
AND THEN IT’S REALLY COUNCIL’S
DECISION.

06:57:51.854,06:57:55.995
>> AND I THINK YOU YOU WANT
OCTOBER 3rd.
THAT’S OUR COUNCIL MEETING.

06:57:55.997,06:58:02.139
>> IS IT?
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECONDER

06:58:02.141,06:58:10.575
FOR THAT ONE?
>> THANKS DO I NEED A
DISCUSSION ON THIS?

06:58:10.577,06:58:13.720
ALDERMAN CARRA.
LOWE?
>> I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING UP

06:58:13.722,06:58:19.233
TO THE END OF THE WORD ROCKY
RIDGE.
I’M HAVING DIFFICULTY

06:58:19.235,06:58:22.967
UNDERSTANDING REPORT THROUGH
CALGARY PLANNING COMMISSION TO
COUNCIL NOT LATER THAN– WHAT

06:58:22.969,06:58:27.995
ARE WE GOING TO REPORT?
WE HAVE THE SUBDIVISION, THE
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION

06:58:27.997,06:58:39.116
DIVINE POLICY IN PLACE.
WE’VE TAKEN OUT– YOU KNOW, I
DON’T KNOW WHO THE THIRD

06:58:39.118,06:58:46.057
PARTY’S GOING TO TALK TO.
WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE.
BUT WHO IS IT GOING TO BE

06:58:46.059,06:58:50.689
SHOWN TO?
WE HAVE THE POLICY IN PLACE,
AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TAKE

06:58:50.691,06:58:57.260
IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION
THROUGH THE COUNCIL?
UM– IF IT WERE TO ENGAGE A

06:58:57.262,06:59:02.669
THIRD PARTY TO ILLUSTRATE HOW
THE PRINCIPALS WORK TO
POSSIBLE DEVELOPERS UP THERE.

06:59:02.671,06:59:11.374
I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I’M NOT SURE WHO WE’RE
TELLING THIS TO, WHAT WE’RE

06:59:11.376,06:59:15.209
BRINGING THROUGH PLANNING
COMMISSION, WHAT WE’RE GOING
TO TELL PLANNING COMMISSIONER

06:59:15.211,06:59:18.212
TO TELL COUNCIL.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY’S
POINTING AT Mr. WATTS LIKE HE

06:59:18.214,06:59:21.414
CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> HE’S POINTING AT HIMSELF
LIKE HE CAN ANSWER THE

06:59:21.416,06:59:32.137
QUESTION.
SO Mr. WATSON?
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

06:59:32.139,06:59:35.484
THE REASON WE THOUGHT THIS
MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE WAY
TO GO IS THAT YOU ARE

06:59:35.486,06:59:39.717
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IN FACT WE DID CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION DESIGN

06:59:39.719,06:59:43.351
SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA.
WE’VE TRIED IT A COUPLE OF
TIMES.

06:59:43.353,06:59:50.086
AND PERHAPS NOT ALL THAT–
CERTAINLY NOT SUCCESSFULLY.
SO LOOKING AT THE LARGER AREAS

06:59:50.088,06:59:55.917
THAT REMAIN IN THE NORTHEAST
QUARTERSECTION WHAT WE WOULD
LIKE TO DO IS HIRE AN

06:59:55.919,07:00:00.020
INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TO GO
IN AND– WHO HAS SOME
EXPERTISE, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE

07:00:00.022,07:00:06.935
HAVE POLICIES, WE DO NOT HAVE
A LOT OF DEEP KNOWLEDGE ON HOW
TO DO THIS INTERNALLY.

07:00:06.937,07:00:11.771
TO LOOK AT THE REMAINING LAND
AND COME BACK AND REPORT
THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION,

07:00:11.773,07:00:15.498
OR PLANNING COMMISSION’S
ADVICE.
AND THOUGHTS ON THIS.

07:00:15.500,07:00:20.609
AND BRING INTO COUNCIL, AND
FRANKLY, I SUSPECT, ALTHOUGH
WE ARE A LONG WAYS FROM THE

07:00:20.611,07:00:24.018
RECOMMENDATIONS IT WOULD BE
SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT
COUNCIL INSTRUCTS THAT ON

07:00:24.020,07:00:33.927
THESE AREAS THIS FOR SURE WILL
BE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GO BACK TO

07:00:33.929,07:00:38.869
THE LANDOWNERS AND THEY WOULD
MAKE APPLICATIONS BASED ON
POLICIES IDEAL PRINCIPALS.

07:00:38.871,07:00:44.204
BECAUSE UIL COUNCIL ACTUALLY
SAYS AHEAD OF TIME TO DO
CONSERVATION, SUBDIVISION

07:00:44.206,07:00:52.548
DESIGN, WE’RE GOING TO BE
COMING IN WITH THESE SMALL
PIECES OF LAND, AND EACH ONE

07:00:52.550,07:01:06.402
OF THEM ON THEIR OWN.
>> WOULD WE NOT BE BETTER TO
DIRECT THAT THE REMAINING

07:01:06.404,07:01:15.608
UNDEVELOPED LAND IN ROCKY
RIDGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
CONSERVATION DESIGN?

07:01:15.610,07:01:20.785
AND THEN FRONT-END LOADED
RATHER THAN LOADING IT AT THE
BACK END?

07:01:20.787,07:01:28.154
I’M JUST– I’M STILL UNCLEAR,
I MEAN, I’M NOT DISPUTING THE
THREAT, AT ALL.

07:01:28.156,07:01:33.963
BUT I WANT AN OUTCOME.
AND I THINK HERE’S AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE

07:01:33.965,07:01:38.188
COMMUNITY, GO TO THE
LANDOWNERS AND SAY HERE’S WHAT
SHALL HAPPEN.

07:01:38.190,07:01:45.064
AND HERE’S OUR THIRD PARTY
EXPERT WITH EXAMPLES.
>> TO THE CHAIR THAT WOULD

07:01:45.066,07:01:49.263
CERTAINLY SAVE US A LOT OF
TIME AND EFFORT.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE GOING TO

07:01:49.265,07:01:53.894
HAVE TO BE AMENDMENTS TO THE
ASP IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS
WORK.

07:01:53.896,07:01:57.901
WHERE WE’VE TRIED AS I SAID
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION
DESIGN IN THIS AREA, THERE HAS

07:01:57.903,07:02:04.639
BEEN CONSIDERABLE PUSH BACK BY
THE COMMUNITY.
EVEN WHEN WE HAD A WILLING

07:02:04.641,07:02:09.208
APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS SORT OF EASING INTO
THIS AS OPPOSED TO SAYING IT

07:02:09.210,07:02:12.976
SHALL BE.
NOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SAY IT
SHALL BE, THAT’LL MAKE IT A

07:02:12.978,07:02:17.778
LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN WE TALK
TO PEOPLE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, PEOPLE

07:02:17.780,07:02:26.154
AND THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT A
WHOLE LOT OF OTHER STAKE
HOLDERS IN THIS THAT WE SHOULD

07:02:26.156,07:02:28.491
TALK TO FIRST.
>> AND I GUESS THAT’S THE
DIFFICULTY.

07:02:28.493,07:02:32.024
THERE’S A LOT OF STAKE HOLDERS
HERE.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU GO TO

07:02:32.026,07:02:38.766
SOME OF THE STAKE HOLDERS OUT
HERE AND SAY YOU’RE GOING TO
HAVE VERY HIGH DENSITY, OR

07:02:38.768,07:02:44.070
RELATIVELY HIGH DENSITY IN
SMALL POCKETS OF LAND AROUND
YOU RATHER THAN YOUR $1.1

07:02:44.072,07:02:51.112
MILLION HOUSES, YOU’RE GOING
TO GET SOME PUSHBACK.
SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHERE

07:02:51.114,07:02:57.886
YOU WANT TO LOAD THIS ON.
I’M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS
CANDIDLY BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE

07:02:57.888,07:03:01.754
WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
I’M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE
INPUT IS.

07:03:01.756,07:03:14.376
AND I’M MOST CERTAINLY NOT
SURE WHAT THE OUTPUT IS.
>> Mr. WATSON AND ALDERMAN

07:03:14.378,07:03:21.721
CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
I TO TOO HAVE A BIT OF A

07:03:21.723,07:03:24.555
PROBLEM WITH WHAT’S BEEN
PROPOSED.
IF THIS IS INTENDED TO LEAD TO

07:03:24.557,07:03:29.993
A CITY I INITIATED
REDESIGNATION WHICH WOULD THEN
BE PASSED ONTO THE DEVELOPERS

07:03:29.995,07:03:34.912
TO SUGGEST WHAT THEY COULD OR
COULD NOT DEVELOP, I’M JUST
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE

07:03:34.914,07:03:38.950
OUTCOME.
WHAT THE DELIVERABLE’S GOING
TO BE HERE.

07:03:38.952,07:03:45.623
>> I’M SURE MS. ASHWORTHY
WOULD DO A BETTER JOB
EXPLAINING THIS.

07:03:45.625,07:03:50.662
>> HOPEFULLY I WON’T ADD
CONFUSION.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING

07:03:50.664,07:03:54.636
HERE IS WE’D LIKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOMEONE
IN WHO CAN HELP US BETTER

07:03:54.638,07:03:59.408
UNDERSTAND WHAT CONSERVATION
SUBDIVISION DESIGN COULD MEAN
FOR THE EFFECT FOR THE

07:03:59.410,07:04:05.051
REMAINING PARCELS.
AND FRANKLY, BRING THAT TO
COUNCIL SO THAT COUNCIL ALSO

07:04:05.053,07:04:09.627
UNDERSTANDS, BECAUSE I’M NOT
SURE THAT EVERYONE’S ON THE
SAME PAGE IN THEIR

07:04:09.629,07:04:12.425
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION
DESIGN MEAN.

07:04:12.427,07:04:20.421
WE TAKE THESE FOUR AREAS.
GET SOME OPTIONS IDENTIFIED ON
THEM SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK

07:04:20.423,07:04:25.929
THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHARE THAT KNOWLEDGE, AND ALSO
COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY,

07:04:25.931,07:04:29.438
YOU KNOW, HERE’S WHAT IT MIGHT
LOOK LIKE.
HERE’S WHAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING

07:04:29.440,07:04:35.212
ABOUT, AND PERHAPS THE POLICY
HAS NOT BEEN A SUCCESSFUL IF
IDENTIFYING HOW IT CAN WORK ON

07:04:35.214,07:04:43.715
THE GROUND IN SOME OF THESE
AREA PS SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING
TO BRING THOSE OPTIONS BACK SO

07:04:43.717,07:04:50.612
THAT COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND
MORE CLEARLY WHAT THE
DIRECTION WOULD BE SHOULD THEY

07:04:50.614,07:04:58.751
CHOOSE TO EMBRACE IT.
>> DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE A
DETAILED ANALYSIS IN

07:04:58.753,07:05:03.479
PARTICULAR AREAS, ALL OF THAT?
>> THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE
DECISIONS FOR THE FOUR

07:05:03.481,07:05:08.025
INDIVIDUAL SITES.
>> AND IDENTIFYING WHICH AREAS
COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP THE

07:05:08.027,07:05:15.566
TOTAL AMOUNT OF LANDS?
AND THEN TRY AND WORK OUT THE
DENSITY AS ACCORDING?

07:05:15.568,07:05:19.800
>> WE WOULD BE TRYING TO ILL
STRAET HOW THE PRINCIPALS OF
CLUSTERING THE DENSITY COULD

07:05:19.802,07:05:26.145
WORK ON PARCELS, AND AREAS
THAT WOULD HAVE HIGH POTENTIAL
FOR RETENTION.

07:05:26.147,07:05:30.943
I’M NOT SURE WE’D GET DOWN TO
THE DETAIL THAT YOU WOULD FOR
LAND USE AMENDMENT.

07:05:30.945,07:05:36.252
IT WOULD BE MORE ILLUSTRATIVE,
BUT JUST TO ADD TO EVERYONE’S
UNDERSTANDING, INCLUDING THE

07:05:36.254,07:05:42.695
LANDOWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY
ET CETERA, OF WHAT THIS MIGHT
LOOK LIKE.

07:05:42.697,07:05:49.673
BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE WE HAVE
SOME LIVING , BREATHING
EXAMPLES OF WHAT PEOPLE CAN

07:05:49.675,07:05:55.632
EASILY RELATE TO.
THERE ARE FOUR SIGHTS.
ALDERMAN HODGES PROBABLY KNOWS

07:05:55.634,07:06:04.282
MORE THAN I DO ON THE SIZE OF
THEM.
>> TRYING TO GET AN ORDER OF

07:06:04.284,07:06:08.021
MAGNITUDE AND TOTAL SCOPE OF
THE PROJECT.
AND THE REASON THAT I’M ASKING

07:06:08.023,07:06:14.259
THAT IS I’M JUST WONDERING HOW
MUCH WORK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
HERE?

07:06:14.261,07:06:17.231
>> I DON’T THINK IT’S A HUGE
AMOUNT OF WORK.
SOMETHING WE COULD EASILY PUT

07:06:17.233,07:06:20.598
OUT WOULD YOU TELL HAVING TO
GO TO REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
>> OKAY, AND SOMETHING YOU

07:06:20.600,07:06:25.397
THINK YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE
WITHIN YOUR CURRENT WORK PLAN?
>> WELL WE’D BE USING A

07:06:25.399,07:06:29.166
CONSULTANT PRIMARILY, YEAH.
>> OH, OUTSIDE OF YOUR CURRENT
WORK PLAN?

07:06:29.168,07:06:32.942
>> OUTSIDE OF CURRENT WORK
PLAN.
BUT WE ALWAYS ALLOW SOME

07:06:32.944,07:06:40.083
MANEUVERING ROOM SO THAT WE
CAN MEET COUNCIL’S NEEDS.
>> I HEARD THAT.

07:06:40.085,07:06:42.816
DID YOU HEAR THAT?
ROOM IN THE BUDGET.
>> THERE’S A LIMIT TO THAT

07:06:42.818,07:06:45.625
ROOM, HOWEVER.
>> THANK YOU.
>> IT’S ONLY MARCH, I MIGHT

07:06:45.627,07:06:53.512
ADD.
NO, IT’S APRIL, SORRY.
>> I WON’T SAY IT.

07:06:53.514,07:06:56.446
ALL RIGHT THEN.
ON THE MOTION RISING ALDERMAN
HODGES?

07:06:56.448,07:07:07.912
>> YES.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, TO MAKE LIFE
A LITTLE SIMPLER FOR THE POOR

07:07:07.914,07:07:12.383
CONSULTANT PERSON YOU ARE
GOING TO HIRE WHOEVER HE OR
SHE MAY BE, WHY WOULDN’T THE

07:07:12.385,07:07:17.759
DEPARTMENT PROVIDE SUMMARY OF
THE ISSUES?
AND THEN THEY HAVE A BASE

07:07:17.761,07:07:21.732
UNDERSTANDING OF KNOWLEDGE TO
BEGIN WITH.
RATHER THAN GO OUT AND

07:07:21.734,07:07:30.780
DISCOVER THE HARD WAY.
>> TO THE CHAIR WE’D BE MORE
THAN HAPPY WE’D WANT TO MAKE

07:07:30.782,07:07:34.313
SURE THE CONSULTEN KNEW WHAT
HE OR SHE WAS GETTING INTO
BEFOREHAND.

07:07:34.315,07:07:39.791
>> YES, AND THE 25 ACRES I
MENTIONED IS IN ACCUMULATION
OF THE DECKER HOLDINGS.

07:07:39.793,07:07:44.461
NONE OF WHICH ARE MORE THAN
ABOUT FIVE OR SIX ACRES.
BUT IN CUMULATIVE TOTAL,

07:07:44.463,07:07:52.894
WHEREAS THEY SAY NOW THE
SHOVEL FULL OF EARTH IS MOVED
FOR YEARS, AN AREA THAT I’M

07:07:52.896,07:07:56.057
SURE THEY WOULD WANT TO LOOK
AT.
LOOKING AT SMALLER PARCELS

07:07:56.059,07:08:08.577
TOGETHER HE HAS ABOUT 25 OR 30
ACRES THERE.
>> THANKS ALDERMAN HODGES.

07:08:08.579,07:08:11.248
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK THEY EXPLAINED IT VERY
WELL.

07:08:11.250,07:08:17.543
THIS IS REALLY TO SHOW THE
ADMINISTRATION AND MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL WHAT WE ACTUALLY MEAN

07:08:17.545,07:08:24.219
WITH CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T DONE ET
SUCCESSFULLY IN THE CITY OF

07:08:24.221,07:08:30.417
CALGARY FOR A A VARIETY OF
REASONS.
PARTLY FRACTURED OWNERSHIP.

07:08:30.419,07:08:36.656
WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT
SOMETHING NEW.
WE HAVEN’T DEVELOPED SOME

07:08:36.658,07:08:43.158
EXPERTISE IN THE AREA.
SO IT’S REALLY TO DEMONSTRATE
TO COUNCIL.

07:08:43.160,07:08:47.193
MAYBE SOME LANDOWNERS IN THE
COMMUNITY WHAT THE BENEFITS OF
THIS DIFFERENT TYPE OF LAND

07:08:47.195,07:08:55.470
FORM.
SO I THINK WORTH THE EXERCISE
IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO

07:08:55.472,07:09:01.819
TALK ABOUT IT.
WELL USED IN OTHER CITIES.
NOT EXPERIMENTAL AT ALL.

07:09:01.821,07:09:04.182
BUT ALSO EXPERIMENT UNTIL
CALGARY.
WHENEVER WE ARE TRYING

07:09:04.184,07:09:10.321
SOMETHING NEW, AND IT COULD
FIT WITHIN THE INNOVATION FUND
AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED.

07:09:10.323,07:09:13.630
WHEN WE’RE TRYING SOMETHING
NEW, IT’S WORTH GOING SLOWLY
SO WE CAN BRING PEOPLE ALONG

07:09:13.632,07:09:19.267
WITH US.
THAT’S WHY THIS SOFTER
APPROACH THAT’S WHAT ALDERMAN

07:09:19.269,07:09:30.550
LOW HAD SUGGESTED.
>> THANKS, ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:09:30.552,07:09:36.082
ALDERMAN DEMONG IS OPPOSED.
>> OKAY.
GOT IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING.

07:09:36.084,07:09:39.784
ALL RIGHT.
PLAYING SOME MUSICAL CHAIRS UP
HERE.

07:09:39.786,07:09:52.367
AND WE WILL MOVE THEN TO
REPORTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER
STARTING WITH C-2011 32.

07:09:52.369,07:09:55.865
WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THESE
FOLKS TO GET UP HERE, CAN I
HAVE SOMEONE MOVE THIS ONE

07:09:55.867,07:10:03.719
PLEASE?
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THANKS ALDERMAN LOW.

07:10:03.721,07:10:17.331
THIS ONE IS GOING ON THE
ARCHIVE LEGISLATIVE VIDEO.
I DON’T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT

07:10:17.333,07:10:24.942
THIS IS OVER, BUT I NOTICED IN
THE PROPOSED POLICY, IT TALKS
ABOUT DELETING THE ARCHIVES

07:10:24.944,07:10:35.065
AFTER THREE YEARS.
COST IS SO CHEAP THESE DAYS.
I WONDER IF WE WANT TO KEEP

07:10:35.067,07:10:40.744
THEM FOR ARCHIVE FOREVER.
OH GOD IT’S SO CHEAP.
TRIED TO BUY A HARD DRIVE

07:10:40.746,07:10:43.176
LATELY?
I DON’T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN’T
KEEP THEM FOREVER.

07:10:43.178,07:10:46.519
>> IT’S CURRENTLY THE POLICY
FOR THE CITY OF CALGARY TO
HAVE A RETENTION SCHEDULE FOR

07:10:46.521,07:10:52.594
ALL DOCUMENTS AND DATA.
SO WE DO WANT TO CONTROL NO
MATTER WHAT FORMAT INFORMATION

07:10:52.596,07:11:00.816
IS STORED IN.
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AFTER
ALL THESE WERE DISPOSED OF.

07:11:00.818,07:11:13.066
SIMPLE HOUSEKEEPING.
>> THERE WAS A NUMBER IN HERE
FOR THE COST OF ARCHIVING OR

07:11:13.068,07:11:22.872
STORAGE, I GUESS IS ANOTHER
TERM.
HOW WAS THAT NUMBER DERIVED?

07:11:22.874,07:11:31.873
>> EXTENSIONS REACHED BY THE
CITY CLERK, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> MADAM CLERK, EXTENSIVE?

07:11:31.875,07:11:37.842
>> WELL, WHY NOT $15.000
INSTEAD OF THE $10.000 IN THE
RED?

07:11:37.844,07:11:43.474
DOES ANYONE KNOW?
>> I RECALL THAT ONE AS WELL
ALDERMAN HODGES.

07:11:43.476,07:11:46.504
AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS
THEY DID IN FACT DO A LITTLE
MORE RESEARCH.

07:11:46.506,07:11:52.090
AND THE COST OF STORAGE REALLY
IS GOING DOWN VERY
CONSIDERABLY.

07:11:52.092,07:11:55.256
SO THEY CAME UP WITH ONE-THIRD
LOWER NUMBER.
AND I BET IF WE ASK THEM NEXT

07:11:55.258,07:12:00.757
YEAR IT WILL BE LOWER THAN
THAT.
>> BUT IS THERE A PHYSICAL

07:12:00.759,07:12:04.399
STORAGE INVOLVED?
SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM–.
>> YOUR WORSHIP THERE IS A

07:12:04.401,07:12:09.009
NEED TO HAVE A SERVER
SOMEWHERE.
UPON WHICH THE MATERIAL

07:12:09.011,07:12:15.885
RESIDES AND YOU HAVE TO PAY
FOR THAT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO RELY ON

07:12:15.887,07:12:20.591
THE CLOUD.
>> IT IS NOT PAPER.
IT IS A GIANT COMPUTER

07:12:20.593,07:12:23.296
ATTACHED TO A HARD DRIVE
SOMEWHERE.
AND WHEN THE MEETINGS GO THIS

07:12:23.298,07:12:32.801
LONG, GIANT, GIANT, GIANT HARD
DRIVE.
THANKS, ALDERMAN DID YOU WANT

07:12:32.803,07:12:36.676
TO CLOSE?
ALL RIGHT, ON THIS ONE ON THE
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WE AGREED?

07:12:36.678,07:12:40.818
VERY WELL THEN.
ARE WE OPPOSED?
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSED.

07:12:40.820,07:12:45.156
FIRST READING OF THE BYLAW
THEN, ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:12:45.158,07:12:48.720
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSE SNPD
SECOND READING.
AGREED?

07:12:48.722,07:12:53.161
OPPOSED?
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSED?
AUTHORIZATION FOR BYLAW

07:12:53.163,07:12:57.798
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSED.

07:12:57.800,07:13:04.798
CARRIED, THANK YOU.
AND 10.1.2 HAS BEEN TABLED.
THAT TAKES US NOW TO–.

07:13:04.800,07:13:09.979
>> AND YOUR WORSHIP I’LL MOVE
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF 2011 34
THE PROPERTY TAX RELATED

07:13:09.981,07:13:19.014
BYLAW.
>> THANKS ALDERMAN LOW.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?

07:13:19.016,07:13:24.084
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT THEN, SO ANY
DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?

07:13:24.086,07:13:34.230
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE,
GUYS.
>> WITH THAT TONE OF REZING

07:13:34.232,07:13:37.626
VEGAS, YOUR WORSHIP.
PERHAPS THROUGH THE CHURCH TO
Mr. SAWYER.

07:13:37.628,07:13:44.671
I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHICH
I DO A POOR JOB OF RESPONDING
TO ABOUT 10.4% FOR MUNICIPAL

07:13:44.673,07:13:50.042
PURPOSES.
AND MINE IS 2.5% FOR
PROVINCIAL PURPOSES.

07:13:50.044,07:13:52.783
I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I’M
TALKING ABOUT.
COULD YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON

07:13:52.785,07:14:02.596
THAT?
>> UH, YOUR WORSHIP, I THINK
IF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING,

07:14:02.598,07:14:10.428
THERE WAS A DECISION TO SET
THE TAX RATES BASED ON AVERAGE
OF 4.4% ON THE MUNICIPAL, OR

07:14:10.430,07:14:15.462
ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE
NON-RESIDENTIAL?
SO WHEN YOU TAKE A MINUS 2.5%

07:14:15.464,07:14:23.065
IN THE PROVINCIAL PORTION, AND
WANT TO GET TO A 4.4 WEIGHTED
AVERAGE COMPOSITE, THAT

07:14:23.067,07:14:29.147
TRANSLATES TO THE 10.4
CALCULATION.
SO 10.4 AND THE MINUS 2.5

07:14:29.149,07:14:34.847
COMPOSITE THE 4.4.
SAME CALCULATION IS DONE ON
THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND THAT’S

07:14:34.849,07:14:38.147
HOW BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND
NON-RESIDENTIAL AVERAGE TO
4.4%.

07:14:38.149,07:14:44.855
>> COMPOSITE OF WHAT TWO
FACTORS OR SEVERAL FACTORS?
>> COMPOSITE OF THE PROVINCIAL

07:14:44.857,07:14:55.162
PORTION OF THE TOTAL TIMES
MINUS 2.5 AND THE MUNICIPAL
PORTION TIMES– AND IT

07:14:55.164,07:15:01.434
CALCULATES OUT AT 10.4.
SUCH THE COMPOSITE IS 4.4.
SO COMPOSITE WITHIN THE

07:15:01.436,07:15:06.928
RESIDENTIAL OF THE– OR SORRY,
IT’S THE COMPOSITE OF THE
RESIDENTIAL AND

07:15:06.930,07:15:15.384
NON-RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE
MUNICIPAL PORTION COMBINED
WITH THE PROVINCIAL PORTIONS.

07:15:15.386,07:15:20.953
WHEN HELPING.
>> SO, IT’S–.
IT’S LATE.

07:15:20.955,07:15:30.902
UM, SO IT’S 4.4% IS THE FINAL
NUMBER FOR RESIDENTIAL
PROPERTY TAX, AND THAT

07:15:30.904,07:15:39.838
REPRESENTS THE RESIDENTIAL
MUNICIPAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY
TAX AND PROVINCIAL IN THE

07:15:39.840,07:15:46.045
CONTEXT OF– IF WE WERE TO
INCLUDE THE NON-RES, THEN THAT
WOULD BRINGTOUS 10.4?

07:15:46.047,07:15:58.871
>> NO, WITHIN BASICALLY YOU
TAKE THE MINUS 2.5 ON THE RES,
THAT COMPOSITES TO 4.4 ON THE

07:15:58.873,07:16:13.590
RESIDENTIAL.
THAT ALSO COMPOSITES TO 4.4.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPOSITES

07:16:13.592,07:16:18.427
TO 4.4.
SO THE TOTAL BILL PROVINCIAL
AND MUNICIPAL GOES UP 4.4%.

07:16:18.429,07:16:27.804
SAME WITH THE NON-RES.
>> AND WHAT DOES THE 10.4 COME
FROM THEN?

07:16:27.806,07:16:32.605
>> 10.4 RELATES TO THE
MUNICIPAL PORTION AND MINUS
2.5 RELATES TO THE PROVINCIAL

07:16:32.607,07:16:35.675
PORTION.
OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
BOTH THE MUNICIPAL PORTION OF

07:16:35.677,07:16:40.380
THE RESIDENTIAL, PROVINCIAL
PORTIONER OF THE RESIDENTIAL,
RESIDENTIAL BILL IN TOTAL GOES

07:16:40.382,07:16:49.902
UP 4.4%.
>> I’M GETTING THERE.
THANK YOU.

07:16:49.904,07:16:56.208
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I WISHED
I JUST CALLED FOR THE VOTE

07:16:56.210,07:17:00.068
RIGHT AWAY.
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
AND IT’S NOT JUST WHEN

07:17:00.070,07:17:07.069
ALDERMAN CHABOT’S LIGHT GOES
ON.
>> Mr. SAYER, MINUS 2.5 BY THE

07:17:07.071,07:17:10.706
PROVINCE.
AND THEY TOOK AN ADDITIONAL
$3.6 MILLION OUT OF THIS

07:17:10.708,07:17:13.306
MUNICIPALITY.
WHY IS IT NEGATIVE?
BECAUSE THEY TOOK LESS THAN

07:17:13.308,07:17:20.271
THE GROSS?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, IT’S
BASICALLY THE ABSOLUTE DOLLARS

07:17:20.273,07:17:27.944
ON THE PROVINCIAL WAS AN
INCREASE OF .6 PFRS– .6%.
BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE

07:17:27.946,07:17:32.011
ENTIRE ASSESSMENT BASE IN
ORDER TO GENERATE THAT AMOUNT
OF MONEY, IT’S ACTUALLY A

07:17:32.013,07:17:36.544
MINUS 2.5%.
>> ASSESSMENT WENT UP PLUS
GROWTH.

07:17:36.546,07:17:40.179
SO THE MID MILL RATE GOES DOWN
TO THE TUNE OF 2.5% ON THE
EDUCATION STUFF?

07:17:40.181,07:17:47.859
>> THE PROVINCIAL SIDE, THAT’S
RIGHT.
>> $3.6 MILLION INCREASE IN

07:17:47.861,07:17:52.698
REVENUE TO THEM?
>> THEY ARE STILL GETTING
ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMPARED TO

07:17:52.700,07:17:55.099
LAST YEAR.
>> OKAY.
I WON’T BELABER THIS YOUR

07:17:55.101,07:18:01.706
WORSHIP.
I VOTED AGAINST IT BEFORE.
AND I’LL BE AS WELL.

07:18:01.708,07:18:06.744
>> THANKS ALDERMAN CHABOT.
IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE
CORRECT ON THE $3.6 MILLION

07:18:06.746,07:18:10.811
BUT WOULDN’T BIT FUN TO DO A
CALCULATION ON HOW MUCH THE
ENTIRE TAKE OF PROVINCIAL

07:18:10.813,07:18:13.079
GOVERNMENT HAS INCREASED FROM
THE CITY OF CALGARY IN THE
LAST YEAR?

07:18:13.081,07:18:17.546
I GUARANTEE YOU THE DOLLAR
VALUES WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY
HIGHER THAN WHAT WE’RE BEING

07:18:17.548,07:18:25.359
SKZ TO ACCRUE TODAY.
YEP, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
ALDERMAN LOWE DID YOU WANT TO

07:18:25.361,07:18:28.060
CLOSE?
>> CLOSED, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

07:18:28.062,07:18:33.403
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEN,
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:18:33.405,07:18:38.073
ALDERMANS CHABOT AND DEAMONG
ARE OPPOSED.
ALL RIGHT SOME BYLAWS THEN.

07:18:38.075,07:18:41.369
MACHINE AND EQUIPMENT PROPERTY
TAX BYLAW FIRST READING ARE WE
AGREED?

07:18:41.371,07:18:44.742
ANY OPPOSED?
SECOND READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:18:44.744,07:18:47.506
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD
READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:18:47.508,07:18:52.951
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

07:18:52.953,07:19:02.480
THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION
BYLAW THEN.
OH YES I DID, I’M SORRY.

07:19:02.482,07:19:07.456
ON THE PROPERTY TAX BYLAW THEN
FIRST READING AGREED?
ANY OPPOSEED?

07:19:07.458,07:19:13.831
ALDERMANS CHABOT AND DEMONG.
SECOND, OPPOSED ALDERMANS
CHABOT AND DEMONG.

07:19:13.833,07:19:19.070
FOR THIFRD READING AGREED ANY
OPPOSED CARRIED?
THIRD READING AGREED, OPPOSED?

07:19:19.072,07:19:26.045
ALDERMANS CHABOT AND DEMONG
OPPOSEED.
ON THE RIVERS COMMUNITY

07:19:26.047,07:19:30.652
REVITALIZATION BYLAW FIRST
READING AGREED?
ANY OPPOSESED?

07:19:30.654,07:19:34.281
SECOND READ, AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
AUTHORIZE FOR THIRD READING,

07:19:34.283,07:19:35.848
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

07:19:35.850,07:19:46.198
I THINK THAT’S IT.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT TAKES US TO LPT.

07:19:46.200,07:19:50.703
10.2.1 ALDERMAN CHABOT?
?
>> YOUR WORSHIP HAPPY TO MOVE

07:19:50.705,07:19:58.782
ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND
WILLING TO OPEN AND CLOSE ON
ANY AND ALL ISSUES IF THE NEED

07:19:58.784,07:20:04.187
ARISES.
IF YOU’D LIKE I CAN START WITH
THE 2011-12.

07:20:04.189,07:20:09.616
THERE IS A COORDINATED SAFETY
RESPONSE TEAM MADE A
PRESENTATION TO COMMITTEE

07:20:09.618,07:20:14.456
IDENTIFYING HOW THEY WILL BE
DEALING WITH THE ABANDONED
PROPERTIES AS WELL AS

07:20:14.458,07:20:20.826
PROPERTIES THAT WERE USED FOR
GROW-OPS, IT’S A COORDINATED
EFFORT, MUNICIPAL, PROVINCIAL

07:20:20.828,07:20:24.396
AND SOME– I THINK SOME
FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT AS WELL,
YOUR WORSHIP.

07:20:24.398,07:20:31.332
AND OF COURSE THE INTENT IS TO
MOVE MORE QUICKLY.
MOVE FORWARD MORE QUICKLY ON

07:20:31.334,07:20:38.462
SOME OF THESE DERELICT
PROPERTIES AND EITHER SHUT
THEM DOWN.

07:20:38.464,07:20:45.175
OR DEMOLISH THEM.
OR POTENTIALLY EVEN DEMOLISH
THEM.

07:20:45.177,07:20:51.745
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN CHABOT,
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?
ALL RIGHT THEN, ON THE

07:20:51.747,07:20:56.851
RECOMMENDATIONS IN LPT
20111/12 AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:20:56.853,07:21:02.958
CARRIED.
THAT TAKES UT TO 10.2 IN YOUR
AGENDA.

07:21:02.960,07:21:09.091
ALDERMANS CHABOT.
>> A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS
AS HAD BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO

07:21:09.093,07:21:17.055
COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY.
AND THESE WERE EXPLOREED MORE
FULLY IN REGARDS TO CPA’S

07:21:17.057,07:21:20.225
STRATEGIC REVIEW AND PLANS
MOVING FORWARD.
YOU WILL NOTE THAT THERE WAS A

07:21:20.227,07:21:25.404
RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS PUT
FORWARD, THAT I WASN’T IN
SUPPORT OF.

07:21:25.406,07:21:31.012
SO IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU COULD
CALL RECOMMENDATION NUMBER
FOUR FOR ME, AND IF THERE’S

07:21:31.014,07:21:35.424
ANY QUESTION, I’LL TRY AND
ADDRESS THEM IN MY QUOTES.
>> SO SORRY, YOU ARE MOVING

07:21:35.426,07:21:39.197
THE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS OF
THE COMMITTEE, BUT YOU WANT ME
TO CALL FOUR SEPARATELY FROM

07:21:39.199,07:21:42.799
THE OTHERS?
NO PROBLEM.
ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION ON

07:21:42.801,07:21:49.805
THIS ONE.
ON WHETHER IT’S ALDERMAN
CHABOT, GIVEN THAT WE ARE

07:21:49.807,07:21:55.002
CHANGING THE STRUCTURE OF THE
BOARD, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE
WERE POINTING ALL NEW MEMBERS

07:21:55.004,07:21:59.510
TO THE BOARD NOW?
OR DOES IT WAIT FOR
ORGANIZATIONAL DAY?

07:21:59.512,07:22:03.245
ALDERMAN McCLOUD I THINK HAS
THE ANSWER FOR ME.
>> WE’VE DISCUSSED THIS.

07:22:03.247,07:22:11.327
AND PART OF THIS WHOLE
REORGANIZATION INVOLVES DOING
A GRID.

07:22:11.329,07:22:23.210
SKILLS AND APTITUDES ACTUALLY.
I THINK THE DAY OR PROBABLY
FINE OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY THAN

07:22:23.212,07:22:26.923
ALDERMAN HODGES MIGHT HAVE
SOMETHING MORE TO ADD TO THAT.
>> THANKS ALDERMAN HODGES?

07:22:26.925,07:22:33.855
>> FIRST OF ALL, YOUR WORSHIP,
ALDERMAN MACLEOD HAS BASICALLY
CORRECTED IT.

07:22:33.857,07:22:37.853
AT THE THE MARCH 21st MEETING
AT COUNCIL WE HAD ONE VACANCY
AT THE PRESENT TIME ON THE

07:22:37.855,07:22:43.699
BOARD.
AND WE– WE SAID MARCH 2 19S
WE WOULD BRING FORWARD A

07:22:43.701,07:22:48.935
RECOMMENDATION.
YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX NAMES WHO
ARE APT TO FILL THAT VACANCY.

07:22:48.937,07:22:56.036
IT’S NOT CRITICAL, BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GOOD
SELECTION OF NAMES FOR THE

07:22:56.038,07:22:58.909
BOARD COMING UP FOR THE
ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING IN
OCTOBER.

07:22:58.911,07:23:05.085
RIGHT NOW THERE’S ONE VACANCY
ONLY IN THE CITIZEN GROUP.
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN HODGES.

07:23:05.087,07:23:10.825
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS
ONE?
JUST BEFORE I GO TO ALDERMAN

07:23:10.827,07:23:15.935
CHABOT TO CLOSE ON THIS, I
WILL DO WHAT I HAVEN’T DONE IN
A LONG TIME AND SPEAK FROM THE

07:23:15.937,07:23:18.773
CHAIR FOR JUST A SECOND.
WHICH IS THAT I AM VERY
PLEASED THAT THE

07:23:18.775,07:23:24.715
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING
IMPLEMENTED.
A QUESTION REMAINS IN MY BRAIN

07:23:24.717,07:23:33.476
OTHER WHETHER THESE
RECOMMENDATIONS GO FAR ENOUGH.
CONTINUING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT

07:23:33.478,07:23:41.855
THE BPA, I AM CERTAINLY
WILLING TO GIVE ME THE BENEFIT
OF THE DOUBT.

07:23:41.857,07:23:45.686
BUT I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED
IF WE FIND THAT WE HAVE MORE
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS

07:23:45.688,07:23:55.461
ORGANIZATION.
MAYBE EVEN ONE DAY.
ARLDMAN MACLEOD GO AHEAD.

07:23:55.463,07:23:58.500
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY
THE BOARD IS VERY MUCH AWARE
OF THAT.

07:23:58.502,07:24:09.681
THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A SERVICE
ORGANIZATION.
INSTEAD OF PUTTING ENFORCEMENT

07:24:09.683,07:24:13.575
IN THAT KAAI COTMY I THINK
ENFORCEMENT IS PART OF WHAT WE
OFFER TO THE CITIZENS OF

07:24:13.577,07:24:17.503
CALGARY AND WE NEED TO REFRAIN
SOME OF THAT.
VERY AWARE OF IT.

07:24:17.505,07:24:22.756
WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT TO CLOSE?
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

07:24:22.758,07:24:26.522
SKPE DIDN’T REFERENCE THE
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOR AND
WHY AND ASK YOU TO CALL IT

07:24:26.524,07:24:30.056
SEPARATELY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A
FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON

07:24:30.058,07:24:36.458
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR.
AND THE REASON WHY I VOTED
AGAINST IT AND WHY I WOULD

07:24:36.460,07:24:39.230
ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF

07:24:39.232,07:24:43.398
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT
OF A CONSULTANT’S REPORT.
12, I BELIEVE.

07:24:43.400,07:24:50.273
AND OUT OF THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS THERE WAS A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UM, I

07:24:50.275,07:24:56.110
GUESS GROUPS THAT CAME FORWARD
LOOKING FOR SOME
RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE ADOPTED.

07:24:56.112,07:24:59.984
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF
RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS BY
INDEPENDENT GROUPS THAT

07:24:59.986,07:25:06.191
WEREN’T ADOPTED.
AND THE BRC, SPECIFICALLY
LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL SOURCES

07:25:06.193,07:25:10.860
OF REVENUE.
AND NOT ALL BRCs ARE CREATED
EQUALLY I GUESS THE PROBABLY

07:25:10.862,07:25:16.390
THE BEST WAY I COULD PUT IT.
AND SOME OF THE BRCs IN THE
DOWNTOWN DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT

07:25:16.392,07:25:21.259
PARKING REVENUES ASSOCIATED
WITH THEIR AREAS.
THAT DOESN’T NOT NECESSARILY

07:25:21.261,07:25:27.709
REFLECTED IN ALL OF THE BRCs
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
PART OF THE REQUEST HAD TO DO

07:25:27.711,07:25:34.689
WITH SHARING OF REVENUE.
I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS FAIR
THAT WE SHOULD SEPARATE ONE

07:25:34.691,07:25:46.608
BRC FROM ANOTHER.
IN REGARDS TO POTENTIAL
ABILITY TO SELF-FINANCE.

07:25:46.610,07:25:50.439
IF THEY WANTED TO MAYBE
APPOINT IT TO THE BOARD THAT
MIGHT BE ANOTHER ISSUE.

07:25:50.441,07:25:56.445
BUT HAVING DIRECT PUT ON CPA
AND PARKING STRATEGY DOWNTOWN
IN PARTICULAR.

07:25:56.447,07:26:01.523
PUTS THEM IN A POSITION THAT
NO OTHER GROUPS ARE ENTITLED
TO.

07:26:01.525,07:26:06.097
AND THAT’S WHY I VOTED AGAINST
RECOMMENDATION FOR AND WOULD
ASK OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL

07:26:06.099,07:26:15.231
TO CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR
DECISIONS.
>> RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, TWO,

07:26:15.233,07:26:18.502
THREE AND FIVE.
ONE, TWO, THREE AND FIVE
AGREED?

07:26:18.504,07:26:22.475
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOUR, AGREED?

07:26:22.477,07:26:36.876
ANY OPPOSED?
YOU’LL HAVE TO CALL THE ROLE,
PLEASE.

07:26:36.878,07:26:39.481
>> ARLDMAN LOWE SF.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MACLEOD?

07:26:39.483,07:26:41.649
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MAR.
>> YES.

07:26:41.651,07:26:48.421
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN PIT POOTMANS.

07:26:48.423,07:26:51.482
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> YES.

07:26:51.484,07:26:55.717
>> ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT.

07:26:55.719,07:26:58.013
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN–.
>> NO.

07:26:58.015,07:27:10.697
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> NO.
>> MAYOR MANSN MAYOR NENSHI?

07:27:10.699,07:27:14.938
>> NO.
>> NOW WHAT WE WILL DO IS GO
FOR NUMBER FIVE REQUIRING AN

07:27:14.940,07:27:18.341
AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAW.
FIRST READING OF THE BYLAW
THEN ARE WE AGREED?

07:27:18.343,07:27:22.177
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
OH, ALDERMAN CHABOT IS POSED.

07:27:22.179,07:27:27.718
EXCUSE ME.
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> YOUR WORSHIP THIS AMENDMENT

07:27:27.720,07:27:38.638
I PUT IT COMMITTEE COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL.
THE CITY CFO.

07:27:38.640,07:27:45.238
THE RETAINED ON THE BOARD.
AS PART OF THE AUTHORITY
GROUP.

07:27:45.240,07:27:53.140
SO COMPOSITION OF THE
AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE PAGE 4 OF 7.

07:27:53.142,07:28:00.999
UNDER FOUR, SUB C, CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER HAS STRUCK
OUT THE AREA WHICH WE COULD

07:28:01.001,07:28:04.741
RETAIN THE CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICER.
>> SO I’VE GOT THIS IN WRITING

07:28:04.743,07:28:09.485
WHICH I’LL PASS ON.
SO 4-1 NOW READS THE AUTHORITY
SHOULD BE COMPOSED OF NINE

07:28:09.487,07:28:18.558
MEMBERS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
BY THE GENERAL MANAGERS OF
TRANSPORTATION AND THE CHIEF

07:28:18.560,07:28:21.927
FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AND THEN THERE’S A FURTHER
LITTLE AMENDMENT FURTHER DOWN

07:28:21.929,07:28:27.970
IN SUB NINE.
WHICH SOZ THE GENERAL MANAGER
TRANSPORTATION AND THE CHIEF

07:28:27.972,07:28:34.063
FINANCIAL OFFICER MAY EACH
APPOINT A DEZING -TO ATTEND
ANY MEETING BLAH BLAH BLAH.

07:28:34.065,07:28:37.967
HAVING THE SAME RIGHTS AND
PRIVILEGES AND THE CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER.

07:28:37.969,07:28:45.551
OKAY?
AND WE’LL PASS THE LANGUAGE
ONTO MADAM CLERK.

07:28:45.553,07:28:50.056
DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THAT
AMENDMENT?
THANK YOU.

07:28:50.058,07:28:53.727
ON THE AMENDMENT AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
VERY WELL.

07:28:53.729,07:29:02.969
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
OPPOSED?
SECOND READING OF THE BYLAW

07:29:02.971,07:29:05.807
THEN AGREED?
OPPOSED?
AUTHORIZATION FOR THIRD

07:29:05.809,07:29:08.610
READING OF THE BYLAW AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
THIRD READING AGREED?

07:29:08.612,07:29:14.348
ANY OPPOSED?
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
IS OPPOSED.

07:29:14.350,07:29:21.430
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT THEN 10.2.3 I

07:29:21.432,07:29:26.864
BELIEVE IS SORT OF A DEFERAL
REQUEST.
ASKING THAT THIS COME BACK IN

07:29:26.866,07:29:37.931
JUNE?
>> 2011-17?
>> YES.

07:29:37.933,07:29:43.080
>> MY ASSISTANT WHO PUT
TOGETHER MY AGENDA.
OH YES, SHE DID.

07:29:43.082,07:29:50.691
SORRY.
IT WAS REFERRED BY ALDERMAN
MAR, YES.

07:29:50.693,07:29:52.988
AND IT WAS CARRIED AS A
REFERRAL.
YES.

07:29:52.990,07:29:59.649
FOR FURTHER CONSULTATION I
GUESS INCLUDING FCC A NUMBER
OF OTHERS IF MEMORY SERVES ME

07:29:59.651,07:30:05.356
CORRECTLY ON THIS PARTICULAR
ITEM.
>> YEP.

07:30:05.358,07:30:09.264
GOSH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS
ONE COME BACK TO COUNCIL
SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

07:30:09.266,07:30:12.633
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?
ALL RIGHT THEN ON THE REQUEST
THAT THIS COME BACK TO COUNCIL

07:30:12.635,07:30:18.369
IN 2011 JUNE 13th ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:30:18.371,07:30:37.216
PINCOTT AND MAR ARE OPPOSED.
OH THREE, SORRY.
NO, THIS IS THE ACTUAL

07:30:37.218,07:30:44.856
RECOMMENDATION THAT IS COMING
TO US IS TO BRING THIS BACK ON
THE 13th OF JUNE.

07:30:44.858,07:30:56.102
IT’S THE THENG IN THE BOX ON
PAGES– THEY ALL SAY PAGE 1 OF
1.

07:30:56.104,07:30:58.907
OKAY?
UM, SORRY, WE ARE CALLING THE
ROLE.

07:30:58.909,07:31:03.945
>> ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?

07:31:03.947,07:31:06.648
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MACLEOD.
>> YES.

07:31:06.650,07:31:10.487
>> ALDERMAN MAR.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT?

07:31:10.489,07:31:13.556
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YES.

07:31:13.558,07:31:19.230
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> YES.

07:31:19.232,07:31:25.938
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?

07:31:25.940,07:31:32.043
>> YEP.
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
ALDERMAN HODGES?

07:31:32.045,07:31:34.340
>> YES.
>> ARLDMAN JONES.
>> YES.

07:31:34.342,07:31:37.481
>> MAYOR NENSHI?
>> NO.
>> CARRIED.

07:31:37.483,07:31:46.017
>> THANK YOU.
THEN 2011-18 I THINK IS JUST
AN ADMINISTRATION THAT GOES

07:31:46.019,07:31:51.622
ALONG WITH 2011-17 IF I’M NOT
MISTAKEN?
>> IT WAS, I BELIEVE

07:31:51.624,07:31:59.353
RECOMMENDATIONS OR REPORTS
THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT BY
CONSULTANTS SPECIFICALLY

07:31:59.355,07:32:04.002
MAKING REFERENCES TO
AMENDMENTS THAT SHOULD BE
MADE.

07:32:04.004,07:32:15.679
AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION
FILED AND RECEIVE THIS REPORT.
>> OKAY AND THAT JUST

07:32:15.681,07:32:19.156
FUNDAMENTALLY MEANS THAT CAN
COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL,
RIGHT?

07:32:19.158,07:32:25.629
THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT.
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YOUR WORSHIP ANY AMENDS TO

07:32:25.631,07:32:28.428
BE DEALT WITH PUBLIC HEARING
AS IN TODAY.
HATE TO REMIND ANYBODY OF

07:32:28.430,07:32:39.809
TODAY.
BUT IN ANY CASE.
OKAY.

07:32:39.811,07:32:43.573
ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, ON
THESE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THEN
ARE WE AGREED?

07:32:43.575,07:32:49.880
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
I THINK THAT’S IT.

07:32:49.882,07:33:06.090
NO, THERE’S ONE MORE.
>> FIRST I’D LIKE TO MOVE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADOPT A

07:33:06.092,07:33:11.299
PROPOSED ROUND ABOUT POLICIES
RECOMMENDATIONS ON ONE AND
TWO.

07:33:11.301,07:33:19.264
AND YOU WILL NOTE.
I’LL LET YOU DECIDE WHICH WAY
YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THESE

07:33:19.266,07:33:24.702
AND HAPPY TO CLOSE IF THERE’S
ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANKS ALDERMAN CHABOT.

07:33:24.704,07:33:32.413
ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON
THIS ONE?
I’M SORRY ALDERMAN CHABOT.

07:33:32.415,07:33:36.177
I DIDN’T QUITE HEAR.
DID YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THEM
SEPARATELY?

07:33:36.179,07:33:40.843
>> ACTUALLY YOUR WORSHIP I
VOTED AGAINST PRODOMINANTLY
RECOMMENDATION ONE WAS

07:33:40.845,07:33:51.188
AMENDED.
RECOMMENDATION TWO I HAVE NO
ISSUE WITH.

07:33:51.190,07:33:57.231
ON RECOMMENDATION ONE THEN ARE
WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:33:57.233,07:33:59.469
ON RECOMMENDATION TWO ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:33:59.471,07:34:10.921
CARRIED.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
>> YOUR WORSHIP THERE MAY BE

07:34:10.923,07:34:16.128
SOME PROBLEMS WITH SOME
ATTENDING TOMORROW.
I’D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

07:34:16.130,07:34:24.462
BRING FORWARD THE BYLAW
TABULATION.
IN CAMERA ITEMS THAT BEFORE

07:34:24.464,07:34:36.926
THE NOTICES OF MOTION.
WAS TIME SENSITIVE FORWARD.
TO GET TO THE OTHER FOUR

07:34:36.928,07:34:45.140
NOTICE OF MOTIONS WE COULD
HAVE THEM MOVE TO NEXT WEEK.
SO–.

07:34:45.142,07:34:50.942
>> SORRY?
>> YEAH, HE WANTS.
>> PRETTY LIGHT AGENDA NEXT

07:34:50.944,07:34:53.446
WEEK.
>> OKAY, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR
YOU ARE MAKING A MOTION TO

07:34:53.448,07:34:58.812
BRING FORWARD THE BYLAW
TABULATIONS, THE IN CAMERA
SESSION, AND ALDERMAN JONES’

07:34:58.814,07:35:03.686
NOTICE OF MOTION IN ORDER ON
OUR AGENDA NOW, AND THEN WE’LL
SEE WHERE WE ARE ONCE WE GET

07:35:03.688,07:35:07.493
THROUGH ALL OF THOSE?
OKAY.
MY ITEM OF URGENT BUSINESS CAN

07:35:07.495,07:35:12.001
PROBABLY WAIT A WEEK.
AND I THINK– OKAY, DO I HAVE
A SECONDER FOR THAT?

07:35:12.003,07:35:20.063
THANKS ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YOUR WORSHIP I BELIEVE I AM
INELIGIBLE TO VOTE ON 18P?

07:35:20.065,07:35:23.205
OR JUST VOTING?
OKAY.
>> JUST THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

07:35:23.207,07:35:26.313
OKAY SO WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY, CARRIED.

07:35:26.315,07:35:30.810
SO THEN WE’LL JUMP DIRECTLY
TO–.
OH SORRY KEETING.

07:35:30.812,07:35:37.352
ALDERMAN KEETING IS A OH
POSED.
I APOLOGIZE.

07:35:37.354,07:35:51.101
TABULATIONS.
>> SAYS YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO
VOTE ON 18P 2011 DUH BU

07:35:51.103,07:35:58.415
DOESN’T SAY I’M ELIGIBLE TO
VOTE ON WHAT THEY ARE RELATED.
I’M JUST WONDERING HOW IT IS.

07:35:58.417,07:36:11.070
>> THESE ARE NOT RELATED.
>> THEY ARE NOT?
>> JUST 18P THAT ARE ALL.

07:36:11.072,07:36:20.467
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, OH DEAR.
YEAH, I THINK IT IS.

07:36:20.469,07:36:25.631
THIRD READING.
SO YOU MOVE.
SECONDING IT.

07:36:25.633,07:36:28.123
SO THIRD READING THEN, ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:36:28.125,07:36:43.210
CARRIED.
AND THE OTHER ONE IN HERE?
108 D 2010?

07:36:43.212,07:36:46.381
THIRD READING, ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

07:36:46.383,07:36:51.022
ALL RIGHT, I’LL TAKE A MOTION
TO GO IN CAMERA THEN.
THANKS ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

07:36:51.024,07:36:57.599
SECONDED TO ALDERMAN HODGES.
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:36:57.601,07:38:45.892
MOVE BACK IN THE ROOM, PLEASE?
>> APPROVAL OF THE CALGARY
WASTE AND WATER CORPORATION.

07:38:45.894,07:38:50.396
BYLAW AMENDMENTS.
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED IN

07:38:50.398,07:38:56.131
REPORT C-20 11 BE ADOPT AND
THAT THE REPORT
RECOMMENDATIONS VERBAL

07:38:56.133,07:39:07.707
DISCUSSIONS PRESENTATIONS AND
ATTACHMENT REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL
UNDER SECTION 21, 25, 27,.1 OF

07:39:07.709,07:39:12.437
FOIP UNTIL THIS MATTER IS
RESOLVED.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON DO YOU

07:39:12.439,07:39:17.432
HAVE A SECONDER M.P. ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED CARRIED.

07:39:17.434,07:39:21.642
SORRY ALDERMAN MAR IS OPPOSED.
TELL ME WHY LATER.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON YOU STILL

07:39:21.644,07:39:25.809
HAVE THE FLOOR.
>> VERBAL REPORT ON THE
BRIEFING ON THE PROGRESS OF

07:39:25.811,07:39:29.546
NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CALGARY
AIRPORT AUTHORITY.
AND ANY CHANGES TO THE

07:39:29.548,07:39:32.918
PROJECTED COSTS OF THE AIRPORT
TUNNEL.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE VERBAL

07:39:32.920,07:39:37.585
REPORT PROGRESS OF
NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY AND ANY CHANGES TO

07:39:37.587,07:39:40.954
THE PROJECTED COST OF THE
AIRPORT TUNNEL BE RECEIVED FOR
INFORMATION.

07:39:40.956,07:39:46.190
AND THAT THE DISCUSSION WITH
RESPECT TO THE VERBAL REPORT
REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL PURSUANT

07:39:46.192,07:39:56.579
TO SECTIONS 23, 1 B, 241 B,
251 C AND 271 B OF FOIP.
THAT’S IT, THANK.

07:39:56.581,07:40:01.856
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
SECONDER THANKS ALDERMAN
MacLEOD.

07:40:01.858,07:40:07.309
ARE WE AGREED?
CARRIED.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

07:40:07.311,07:40:14.629
ON THE VERBAL REPORT PERSONNEL
ITEM, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE THAT THE VERBAL PERSONNEL

07:40:14.631,07:40:17.628
ITEM BE RECEIVED FOR
INFORMATION AND TWO THAT
DISCUSSION WITH DISCUSSION TO

07:40:17.630,07:40:22.397
THE VERBAL REPORT REMAIN
CONFIDENTIAL UNDER SECTION 17
SUB 1 OF THE FREEDOM OF

07:40:22.399,07:40:25.508
INFORMATION AND PROTECTION OF
PRIVACY ACT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

07:40:25.510,07:40:31.661
SECONDER?
THANK YOU ALDERMAN CARRA.
ON THIS ONE ARE WE AGREED?

07:40:31.663,07:40:34.804
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
OKAY.

07:40:34.806,07:40:40.664
ALDERMAN PIN KHOT.
>> THANK YOU ON THE CITY OF
CALGARY INSURANCE COVERAGE,

07:40:40.666,07:40:45.967
ONE THAT COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED IN
REPORT A C-20 11 BE ADOPT AND

07:40:45.969,07:40:50.241
TWO THE REPORT REMAIN
CONFIDENTIAL UNDER SECTION
25.1 OF THE FREEDOM OF

07:40:50.243,07:40:52.746
INFORMATION AND PROTECTION OF
PRIVACY ACT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

07:40:52.748,07:40:56.851
THANK YOU.
SECONDING ON THIS ONE ARE WE
AGREED?

07:40:56.853,07:41:01.988
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
NOTICE OF MOTION BLAH, BLAH,

07:41:01.990,07:41:07.325
BLAH 2011, 12.
ALDERMAN JONES.
>> YOUR WORSHIP I BRING THIS

07:41:07.327,07:41:14.101
MOTION FORWARD AFTER
TALKING — SITTING DOWN AND
TALKING TO Mr. ALL EH AND

07:41:14.103,07:41:17.702
Mr. CHURCHMAN.
THEY FELT THIS SHOULD COME
AHEAD OF THEIR REPORT SO THEY

07:41:17.704,07:41:22.374
COULD POSSIBLY HOLD OFF SOME
OF THE CARRIERS FOR AN
EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL

07:41:22.376,07:41:27.450
SUCH TIME AS WE RATIFY THATTEN
THIS AND THAT’S WHY IT’S HERE.
AND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF IT IS

07:41:27.452,07:41:33.512
THAT WE CAN GETTUITY LIE
ADDITIONAL OF COMMUNITY
CENTRES OR LANDS FOR PURPOSE

07:41:33.514,07:41:36.550
OF THEM RECEIVING THE FUNDING
AS WELL.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

07:41:36.552,07:41:39.425
THANK YOU.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THANK YOU ALDERMAN LOWE ON

07:41:39.427,07:41:45.337
THIS ONE ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
MOTION ARISING?
ALDERMAN FARRELL.

07:41:45.339,07:41:51.610
>> I’M ASSUMING AS WE — AS WE
DISCUSSED, THIS WOULD BE
SUBJECT TO THE COMMUNITY

07:41:51.612,07:41:56.114
ASSOCIATION SUPPORT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
>> YOUR WORSHIP IF YOU READ

07:41:56.116,07:42:00.543
THE FIRST BE RESOLVED THE LAST
FOUR WORDS, PUBLIC
CONSULTATION PROCESS SO THERE

07:42:00.545,07:42:03.899
HAS TO BE A PROCESS THROUGH
THE COMMUNITY BEFORE IT WOULD
BE ACCEPTED AND IT’S NOT

07:42:03.901,07:42:07.099
SAYING IT’S GOING TO GO ON A
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
BUILDING.

07:42:07.101,07:42:11.167
IT’S SAYING IT GIVES THEM
PROVISION TO DO IT IF THEY
WISH TO DO IT.

07:42:11.169,07:42:13.982
IT’S AN OPTION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: GREAT.
THANK YOU.

07:42:13.984,07:42:17.924
SO ON THIS NOTICE OF MOTION
THEN ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:42:17.926,07:42:20.564
CARRIED.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS ON A MOTION
ARISING.

07:42:20.566,07:42:23.636
>> YES.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
WITH THANKS TO BRENDA KING,

07:42:23.638,07:42:28.563
WHO AFTER OUR
INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
SESSION LAST WEEK WHERE WE

07:42:28.565,07:42:31.529
DISCUSSED THE CHALLENGES WE
HAVE BEEN ENJOYING WITH
INDUSTRY CANADA AND THE

07:42:31.531,07:42:36.505
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL
AS IT RELATES TO OUR STRUGGLES
WITH CELL TOWER LOCATIONS

07:42:36.507,07:42:41.614
THROUGHOUT THE CITY,
RECOMMENDED IN HEALTH DRAFTED
THIS MOTION ARISING WHICH I

07:42:41.616,07:42:46.452
THINK IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.
I THINK IT WILL LEAD TO
ACTIVITIES BETWEEN SEVERAL OF

07:42:46.454,07:42:51.924
THE LARGE CITIES IN CANADA
WHICH ARE EXPERIENCING CELL
TOWER LOCATION PROBLEMS.

07:42:51.926,07:42:56.637
WE ANTICIPATE, PERHAPS,
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
PARTICIPATING AT HALIFAX

07:42:56.639,07:43:01.243
DISCUSSING IN COOPERATION WITH
ADMINISTRATION FROM VARIOUS
CITIES AT MEETINGS AT HALIFAX

07:43:01.245,07:43:04.473
ON THIS VERY SUBJECT AS WE GO
FORWARD.
THANK YOU.

07:43:04.475,07:43:07.233
AND IF I COULD HAVE YOUR
SUPPORT ON THIS MOTION 0, I
THINK IT’S —

07:43:07.235,07:43:09.801
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANK YOU.
DUE TO THE TIMELINE.

07:43:09.803,07:43:15.472
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN CHABOT AND YOU WILL
FIX THE SMALL TYPO 0 IN

07:43:15.474,07:43:20.544
MUNICIPALITIES AND WE WILL BE
IN GOOD SHIP.
ALDERMAN HODGES OH, NO, THERE

07:43:20.546,07:43:24.644
IS AN ITEM BEFORE THE NEXT
ITEM ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> OH, WELL NOT ON THIS.

07:43:24.646,07:43:27.547
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT.
ANY ONE ON THIS ONE?

07:43:27.549,07:43:31.355
ON THIS MOTION ARISING ARE WE
AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

07:43:31.357,07:43:37.481
CARRIED.
BEFORE WE HAVE FOUR WHOLE
MINUTES AND IN THOSE FOUR

07:43:37.483,07:43:43.553
MINUTES I WOULD REALLY LIKE IT
IF WE COULD DEAL WITH THE TWO
ITEMS URGENT BUSINESS.

07:43:43.555,07:43:51.135
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO
BRING THOSE TWO FORWARD.
AND A SECONDER WITH REAGREED?

07:43:51.137,07:43:57.067
ANY OPPOSED CARRIED.
SO IGT 2015, CALGARY REGIONAL
PARTNERSHIP APPOINTMENT

07:43:57.069,07:43:59.837
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> YOUR WORSHIP —
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SMALL

07:43:59.839,07:44:07.083
AMENDMENT, RIGHT?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASKS — IN
KEEPING WITH COUNCIL’S

07:44:07.085,07:44:11.250
PREVIOUS DIRECTION OR DATE I
DON’T BELIEVE WE APPOINT
ANYONE TO ANY ONE COMMITTEE

07:44:11.252,07:44:17.120
FOR EXCESS OF ONE YEAR I WANT
TO CHANGE IT FROM A THREE YEAR
TERM 0 TO A 1 YEAR TERM AND

07:44:17.122,07:44:22.298
THEN JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR
NOT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT
THIS TIME TO LOOK AT A

07:44:22.300,07:44:32.909
COMMENCEMENT OF THIS TERM TO
EXPIRE IN 2012, AS THIS IS
BASICALLY STARTING AND

07:44:32.911,07:44:37.304
ESSENTIALLY A ONE-YEAR TERM
WOULD BE SERVED AS OF OCTOBER
OF 2012.

07:44:37.306,07:44:45.089
PLUS A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO I THINK FOR CONTINUITY SAKE
THAT THIS SHOULD BE OR DAY

07:44:45.091,07:44:47.628
2012.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.
ALDERMAN PIN KHOT YOU ARE

07:44:47.630,07:44:51.061
GOING TO SECOND IT?
>> (INAUDIBLE).
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

07:44:51.063,07:44:54.063
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
MAKES SENSE TO ME.
ALDERMAN MOORE.

07:44:54.065,07:44:59.996
>> JUST A CONNECTION, YOUR
WORSHIP.
WE DO ACTUALLY DO APPOINT FOR

07:44:59.998,07:45:03.944
TERMS LONGER THAN ONE YEAR.
POLICE COMMISSION FOR EXAMPLE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: FAIR

07:45:03.946,07:45:09.085
POINT.
OKAY, ENOUGH.
AND ALL RIGHT, THEN, SO ON

07:45:09.087,07:45:17.750
THIS ONE, THEN, TO ALDERMAN —
TO APPOINT ALDERMAN PUN COT TO
THIS COMMITTEE ARE WE AGREED?

07:45:17.752,07:45:20.318
OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
WE STILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

07:45:20.320,07:45:25.787
PACK 201109 COUNCIL FUND
APPLICATION.
CAN SOMEONE MOVE THIS ONE.

07:45:25.789,07:45:31.222
THANKS ALDERMAN MacLEOD.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE?
>> MY BAD.

07:45:31.224,07:45:37.039
>> YES, SIR.
>> I WAS READING THIS, I
WASN’T SURE ON THIS, BUT IS IT

07:45:37.041,07:45:39.470
DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC OR IS ALL
IN GENERAL?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO

07:45:39.472,07:45:47.401
WHAT WE DID IS WE ACTUALLY
SENT OUT A REQUEST FOR IDEAS
TO EVERY EMPLOYEE.

07:45:47.403,07:45:50.564
BOTH ELECTRONICALLY AND
THROUGH POSTERS AND STUFF IN
THE WORKPLACES.

07:45:50.566,07:45:58.301
WE RECEIVED 177 RESPONSES FROM
25 OUT OF 32 BUSINESS UNITS.
THEY ARE CONCENTRATED IN A

07:45:58.303,07:46:03.398
NUMBER OF BUSINESS UNITS IN
THREE OR FOUR OF THEM BUT WE
HAVE, YOU CAN GUESS WHICH ONE

07:46:03.400,07:46:06.130
HAS THE MOST.
>> PROBABLY PLANNING.
JERUSALEM UM BUT THEY ARE

07:46:06.132,07:46:10.742
SPREAD ACROSS SO THERE IS TWO
THINGS THAT WILL HELP HERE IF
THIS IS APPROVED.

07:46:10.744,07:46:14.509
NUMBER ONE IS THAT THIS LITTLE
GROUP THAT’S RUNNING OUT OF MY
OFFERS WHICH IS THREE OF THEM

07:46:14.511,07:46:20.186
IS KIND OF SHOWCASE ONES.
ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.
BUT WE WILL ALSO BE WORKING

07:46:20.188,07:46:23.755
WITH ALT TO GET THE OTHER
IDEAS BACK INTO THEIR
DEPARTMENTS.

07:46:23.757,07:46:29.622
>> OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE?

07:46:29.624,07:46:32.529
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY
ON THIS ONE THEN ARE WE
AGREED?

07:46:32.531,07:46:37.741
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
SO NOW I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION

07:46:37.743,07:46:53.214
TO DEFER ITEMS 11.1.1.2, .4
AND .5 TO MONDAY APRIL 11.
THANKS ALDERMAN MAR.

07:46:53.216,07:46:56.217
DO I HAVE A SECONDER M.P.
>> SECOND.
>> THANKS ALDERMAN HODGES SO

07:46:56.219,07:47:05.230
WE ARE TABLING THOSE FOUR
ITEMS TO MONDAY, APRIL 18.
SORRY?

07:47:05.232,07:47:10.172
YES, KEEP THEM SO THEY DON’T
HAVE TO PRINT THEM AGAIN BUT
THEY WILL PRINT THEM AGAIN

07:47:10.174,07:47:13.237
ANYWAY.
>> ALDERMAN CHAN LOT.
>> I’M CURIOUS ONE OF THE

07:47:13.239,07:47:20.512
ITEMS WE’RE TAKE, JUST
WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT IT’S
PROPERLY BEFORE US WITHOUT

07:47:20.514,07:47:23.693
FIRST GOING THROUGH
RECONSIDERATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU

07:47:23.695,07:47:27.887
ARE TALKING ABOUT 11.1.1?
>> YEAH.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: MY

07:47:27.889,07:47:31.487
RULING ON THAT WOULD BE BUT I
WILL CHECK WITH Mr. TELLY, MY
RULING ON THAT WOULD BE THAT

07:47:31.489,07:47:35.994
IT’S ACTUALLY QUITE DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE.
BECAUSE IT’S GOING FORWARD AS

07:47:35.996,07:47:41.630
OPPOSED TO REDESIGNATING THE
CURRENT ONES.
>> BUT IT INCLUDES AREAS THAT

07:47:41.632,07:47:46.073
ALREADY APPROVED THAT HAVEN’T
DEVELOPED.
THE WAY THE WORDING IS.

07:47:46.075,07:47:49.177
>> I WILL WORK WITH Mr. TELLY
ON THAT BEFORE THE 18th.
>> THANK YOU.

07:47:49.179,07:47:53.154
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN KEATING.

07:47:53.156,07:47:58.988
>> JUST IN LIGHT OF THE DAYS
PRECEDING YOUR HONOUR I WANT
TO VOICE MY OPINION THAT IT

07:47:58.990,07:48:04.354
SEEMS THAT WE IN THE BIRD TALK
WE HAVE BEEN RATHER LOONIE IN
SEVERAL CASES.

07:48:04.356,07:48:10.991
AND I JUST FIND IT RATHER
REPOUL CAR THAT PULL ALL OF
SUDDEN WE CAN’T MEET TOMORROW

07:48:10.993,07:48:14.960
AND CAN’T STAY LATER WHEN WE
HAVE DONE THIS MANY TIMES IN
THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE SO

07:48:14.962,07:48:18.999
LITTLE LEFT TO FINISH SO I
WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE
REFERRAL, THANK YOU.

07:48:19.001,07:48:23.400
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN KEATING.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ONE?
ALL RIGHT.

07:48:23.402,07:48:28.500
THEN, ON THE TABLING OF THESE
FOUR ITEMS ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OWE 0 POSED ALDERMAN

07:48:28.502,07:48:34.113
KEATING AND PIN KHOT ARE
OPPOSED.
OH, — PIN PINCOTT IT SORRY

07:48:34.115,07:48:38.219
THERE IS THREE.
CALL THE ROLE.
>> ALDERMAN JONES.

07:48:38.221,07:48:40.818
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> NO.

07:48:40.820,07:48:45.095
>> ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD.

07:48:45.097,07:48:47.633
>> YES.
ALDERMAN MAR.
>> YES.

07:48:47.635,07:48:50.270
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
>> NO.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS.

07:48:50.272,07:48:53.367
>> YES.
ALDERMAN STEPHENSON.
>> YES.

07:48:53.369,07:48:58.171
>> ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT.

07:48:58.173,07:49:02.448
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.
>> YES.

07:49:02.450,07:49:08.699
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> (INAUDIBLE)
>> ALDERMAN HODGES.

07:49:08.701,07:49:13.393
>> YES.
MAYOR NENSHI.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.

07:49:13.395,07:49:16.718
>> WHAT?
>> CARRIED, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> YOU ARE BEING LAZY.

07:49:16.720,07:49:23.556
WE COULD HAVE GOT THEM DONE.
ALL RIGHT.
ON THAT, ALDERMAN HODGES.

07:49:23.558,07:49:28.833
>> I DIDN’T WASTE YOUR —
>> WAIT, WAIT, ALDERMAN HODGES
BEFORE YOU GET UP I THINK

07:49:28.835,07:49:35.907
THERE WAS A MOTION TO
RECONSIDER BRIER WOOD.
GREEN BRIER.

07:49:35.909,07:49:39.777
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> YOUR WORSHIP (INAUDIBLE) IF
ANY.

07:49:39.779,07:49:42.479
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANK YOU DO I HAVE A SECONDER
ON THAT?

07:49:42.481,07:49:45.117
THERE IS ONE.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THANK YOU.

07:49:45.119,07:49:47.456
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED.
CARRIED.

07:49:47.458,07:49:50.831
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> MOVE WE ADJOURN.
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN JONES.

07:49:50.833,07:49:55.837
ARE WE AGREED M.P. ANY OPPOSED?
AGREED.
THANK YOU ALL.