2011-04-18 City Council

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>> OH, GOD, AUTHOR OF ALL
WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND
UNDERSTANDING, WE ASK THIGH

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GOODANCE IN OUR
CONSULTATIONS TO THE END
TRUTH AND JUSTICE MAY

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PREVAIL IN ALL OUR
JUDGMENTS.
AMEN.

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YOU MAY BE SEATED.
ALL RIGHT.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

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WE’VE GOT A FUN-FILLED AND
PACKED AGENDA TODAY.
AS THEY ALWAYS ARE.

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I WANTED TO START OFF,
BEFORE I INVITE ALL
COLLEAGUES FROM THE CALGARY

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AIRPORT AUTHORITY, UP FOR
THEIR PRESENTATION, I WANTED
TO START OFF WITH A COUPLE

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OF INTERESTING ANNOUNCEMENTS
FOR YOU ALL.
FIRST OF ALL, YESTERDAY, I

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HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE OF
ATTENDING A FUNDRAISER PUT
ON BY THE CALGARY JAPANESE

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COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IN
RECOGNITION OF THE TRAGEDY
IN JAPAN AND IT WAS JUST A

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GOOD REMINDER FOR ME WHAT
OUR CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO DO.
WE HAVE, IN FACT, IN THE

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LAST MONTH, SEEN PERHAPS THE
WORST OF HUMANITY — THE
WORST OF NATURE, I SHOULD

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SAY, BUT THE BEST OF
HUMANITY AND THE FACT THAT
PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY

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WERE ABLE TO PUT THIS
TOGETHER ON SUCH SHORT
NOTICE WAS LOVELY AND I WAS

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PRESENTED WITH SOMETHING,
AND THE REASON I WANTED TO
START BY TELLING YOU ABOUT

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IT TODAY IS BECAUSE I WANTED
TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY
PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF

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CALGARY AND I FORGOT IT BUT
I WAS PRESENTED WITH A
LOVELY PIECE OF ART.

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A THOUSAND FOLDED PAPER
CRANES, LOVELY, MADE BY A
CALGARIAN, ALSO A SURVIVOR

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OF THE NUCLEAR ATTACKS ON
HIROSHIMA SO IT WAS A
TOUCHING AND SPECTACULAR

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MOMENT AND I WILL SHOW IT TO
YOU ALL WHEN WE SEE IT.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR

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PEOPLE THAT THIS MORNING I
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROCLAIM TELEWORK WEEK HERE

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IN CALGARY.
AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE WORK THAT ALDERMAN >>

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Diana: COLONEL HAS — DIANE
COLLEY-URQUHART HAS DONE IN
MAKING THIS COUNCIL THINK

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ABOUT WORK AND THIS MORNING
THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN
MUNICIPALITIES LAUNCHED A

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PROGRAM CALLED CUT MY
COMMUTES TO BRING THE ISSUE
OF CONGESTION AND COMMUTE

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TIMES REALLY TO THE FORE AS
A MAJOR NATIONAL ISSUE AND A
MAJOR NATIONAL TRAGEDY.

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IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO THE
CUT MY COMMUTE WEBSITE, YOU
WILL SEE A RUNNING TICKER

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AND THIS MORNING I ANNOUNCED
THE NUMBERS ON THE RUNNING
TICKER BUT I FORGOT TO SAY

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WHAT THE TIME LINE WAS.
THE NUMBERS ON THE TICKER
SUGGESTS THAT CANADIANS HAVE

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LOST $300 MILLION AND 200
MILLION HOURS TO EXCESSIVE
COMMUTE TIMES.

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AND THEN OF COURSE I DIDN’T
PUT IN THE TIME FRAME,
PEOPLE SAID A YEAR, A MONTH,

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SINCE THE FEDERAL ELECTION
WAS CALLED.
SO THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE,

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MASSIVE ISSUE AND IT
REQUIRES MAJOR COMMITMENT BY
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH

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REMAINS THE ONLY FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IN THE
INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD WHICH

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LACKS A NATIONAL TRANSIT
STRATEGY.
SO ALL OF THIS IS ALL ABOUT

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REDUCING OUR COMMUTE TIMES
AND I THINK IT’S A GOOD
THING.

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ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I DID SUGGEST — I
WILL SAY THAT THIS MORNING I

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DID THINK IT WAS A BIT WEIRD
THAT WE WERE HAVING A PRESS
CONFERENCE IN PERSON ABOUT

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TELEWORKING AND I HAD
ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT I
WOULD DO IT FROM MY HOME IN

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MY BUNNY SLIPPERS IN A
VIRTUAL PRESS CONFERENCE BUT
THEN IT WAS POINTED OUT TO

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ME WE HAD COUNCIL TODAY AND
WE HAVEN’T QUITE FIGURED OUT
HOW TO TELEWORK INTO

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COUNCIL.
MADAM CLERK?
AS PART OF THE GOVERNANCE

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TASK FORCE, WE EXPECT YOU TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THIS
IN OUR BUNNY SLIPPERS FROM

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HOME.
ABSOLUTELY.
ALL RIGHT.

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(Laughing)
THANKS, MR. TOBERT.
FIRST ON THE FORMAL AGENDA,

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UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY
RECOGNITIONS OR
PRESENTATIONS THEY WANTED TO

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MAKE.
SEEING NONE.
FIRST ON OUR FORMAL AGENDA

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THIS MORNING IS OUR ANNUAL
CONVERSATION WITH THE
CALGARY AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

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SO I’LL INVITE OUR
COLLEAGUES FROM THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY TO COME UP AND I’M

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SURE THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME
GOOD DISCUSSION.
GOOD MORNING, MR. MITCHELL.

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>> GOOD MORNING.
AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING
US.

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YOUR WORSHIP, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS DOUG

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MITCHELL, AND I AM THE CHAIR
OF THE CALGARY AIRPORT
AUTHORITY’S BOARD OF

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DIRECTORS.
ON BEHALF OF OUR DIRECTORS
AND MANAGEMENT TEAM, THANK

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YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
REPORT TO COUNCIL TODAY ON
THE CALGARY INTERNATIONAL

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AIRPORT AND SPRINGBANK
AIRPORT’S OPERATIONAL
RESULTS FOR 2010.

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AS WELL AS TO TELL YOU MORE
OF OUR PLANS FOR 2011.
AS YOU KNOW, IT’S AN

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EXTREMELY BUSY TIME FOR US,
AS WE CARRY OUT OUR MAJOR
CAPITAL EXPANSION PROGRAM.

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LET ME FIRST OF ALL SAY THAT
OUR BOARD AND MANAGEMENT
APPRECIATE AND VALUE THE

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LONG-TERM EXCELLENT WORKING
RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS
BETWEEN COUNCIL AND

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ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY
OF CALGARY AND THE
AUTHORITY.

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I WOULD NOW LIKE TO REPORT
TO YOU ON THAT FROM A
REGULAR PERSPECTIVE.

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THE CALGARY AIRPORT
AUTHORITY IS IN COMPLIANCE
WITH SECTION 27 OF THE

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REGIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITIES
ACT.
THIS MEETING IS WITHIN 135

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DAYS OF OUR FISCAL YEAR-END
AND MORE THAN ONE-THIRD OF
OUR DIRECTORS, 11 OF OUR 14

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CURRENT DIRECTORS, AND OUR
AUDITOR ARE PRESENT.
ON MARCH 10th, I SENT TO ALL

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MEMBERS OF COUNCIL A LETTER
WHICH INCLUDED A COPY OF OUR
BOARD BROCHURE CONTAINING

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INFORMATION ON OUR DIRECTORS
AND OFFICERS AS WELL AS A
COPY OF OUR 2011 SCHEDULE OF

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BOARD AND STANDING COMMITTEE
MEETINGS.
WHICH SETS OUT THE

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MEMBERSHIP OF THE BOARD
COMMITTEES.
THE COMMITTEES ARE AUDIT AND

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FINANCE, GOVERNANCE AND
COMPENSATION, INFRASTRUCTURE
AND ENVIRONMENT AND

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NOMINATING.
EACH DIRECTOR IS ASSIGNED TO
SIT ON TWO OF THE STANDING

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COMMITTEES.
THESE COMMITTEES MEET ON A
REGULAR BASIS THREE TO FOUR

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TIMES PER YEAR.
IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR, WE
SET UP A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM

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OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WHICH
WILL EXIST FOR THE DURATION
OF OUR MAJOR CAPITAL

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EXPANSION PROGRAM.
I WOULD NOW LIKE TO TAKE A
MOMENT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU

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OUR DIRECTORS, AUDITOR AND
ADMINISTRATION TEAM WHICH
ARE PRESENT TODAY.

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I WAS APPOINTED TO THE BOARD
BY THE CALGARY CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE IN 2004 AND ELECTED

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AS BOARD CHAIR EFFECTIVE
JANUARY 1st, 2010.
YOUR CITY OF CALGARY

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APPOINTEES TO THE BOARD, TWO
OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY, AND
THEY ARE DARSHAN CEILIDH.

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AND CHRIS LAJET.
ED McGILLIVRAY, YOUR THIRD
NOMINEES OUT OF THE COUNTRY

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AND UNABLE TO ATTEND.
DIRECTORS PRESENT WHO WERE
APPOINTED BY THE CALGARY

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CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ARE MEL
BELLITCH, BEV FOY, DON
INGRAM, KIM STURGESS, DAVID

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SWANSON, STELLA THOMPSON.
DON DOUGLAS, ANOTHER NOMINEE
BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,

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IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AS
WELL TODAY.
THE ROCKYVIEW COUNTY

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APPOINTEE IS PRESENT TODAY,
KEN McNEIL.
TRANSPORT CANADA’S APPOINTEE

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WITH US THIS MORNING IS
KEVIN BENSON.
QUINCY SMITH, ALSO A NOMINEE

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OF TRANSPORT CANADA, IS
CURRENTLY OUT OF THE
COUNTRY.

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AS REQUIRED BY OUR GOVERNING
LEGISLATION, OUR AUDITOR
FIRM IS PRICE WATERHOUSE

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COOPERS REPRESENTED TODAY BY
PARTNER IAN GUNN.
IAN GUNN, THANK YOU, IAN.

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WE HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM
WITH US TODAY.
THEY ARE GARTH ATKINSON,

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PRESIDENT AND CEO.
BOB SCHMIDT, SENIOR
VICE-PRESIDENT PLANNING AND

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ENGINEERING.
BERNIE HUMPHRIES,
VICE-PRESIDENT OF

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OPERATIONS.
FRANK JAKOWSKI,
VICE-PRESIDENT FINANCE AND

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CFO.
STEFAN POIRIER,
VICE-PRESIDENT AND CHIEF

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COMMERCIAL OFFICER.
AND CYNTHIA TREMBLAY, SENIOR
DIRECTOR FOR HUMAN

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RESOURCES.
ALSO WITH US TODAY ARE
AIRPORT STAFF CHRISTINE CHIN,

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PAULETTE KLEIN, JODELY
MOSLEY, AND NEIL MORRISON.
– JODY.

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NOW I WILL ASK GARTH
ATKINSON, PRESIDENT AND CEO,
TO REPORT TO YOU ON OUR

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RESULTS FOR 2010 AT THE
CALGARY INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORT AND SPRINGBANK

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AIRPORT AS WELL AS STATED
OBJECTIVES FOR 2011.
FOLLOWING GARTH’S

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PRESENTATION, WE’LL BE
PLEASED TO RESPOND TO ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

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GARTH?
>> THANK YOU, MR. MITCHELL.
GOOD MORNING, MR. ATKINSON.

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>> GOOD MORNING, YOUR
WORSHIP, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
I’LL JUST TAKE A MOMENT HERE

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TO ARRANGE MYSELF.
WE HAVE A NEW TECHNICAL
SETUP THIS YEAR, I HAVE TO

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– YOU HAVE A NEW TECHNICAL
SETUP THIS YEAR.
I HAVE TO ADJUST MYSELF TO

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IT.
THERE WE GO.
YES.

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SO MY AGENDA THIS MORNING
WILL BRIEFLY COVER THE
FOLLOWING TOPICS…

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VERY BRIEF REMINDER,
OVERVIEW OF THE CORPORATE
SITUATION.

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OUR ACTIVITY LEVELS FOR LAST
YEAR.
OUR FINANCIAL OVERVIEW, SOME

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PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WE
USE AT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
OF COURSE OUR MAJOR ADP,

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AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT,
SPRINGBANK AIRPORT, OUR
RELIEVER AIRPORT TO THE WEST,

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AND SOME OF THE KEY
ACTIVITIES THAT OCCURRED IN
2010.

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ALTHOUGH YOU’LL NOTE IN MY
PRESENTATION THAT THE
AIRPORT TRAIL EAST EXTENSION

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THEN UNDERPASS PROJECT AND
THE RELATED ONGOING
DISCUSSIONS ARE NOT PART OF

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MY PRESENTATION, I WOULD
NOTE THAT BOTH THE CITY AND
THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ARE

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EXPENDING TREMENDOUS EFFORTS
IN THAT REGARD AND I DO
BELIEVE THERE IS A

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LEGITIMATE DESIRE ON BOTH
SIDES TO REACH A CONCLUSION
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

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AND WE MET AGAIN, ACTUALLY,
JUST LAST THURSDAY, IN
SERIOUS PURSUIT OF THAT

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OBJECTIVE.
SO WITH THAT, I’LL PLUNGE
RIGHT IN HERE TO OUR

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CORPORATE OVER VIEW.
MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR
THAT THE AUTHORITY IS A

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NON-SHARE CAPITAL
CORPORATION, ESTABLISHED
UNDER PROVINCIAL

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LEGISLATION.
WE OPERATE TWO AIRPORTS,
CALGARY INTERNATIONAL, SINCE

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JULY 1992, SPRINGBANK
AIRPORT SINCE OCTOBER 1997.
WE HAVE AN A 80-YEAR LEASE

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AND ALL OF THE SURPLUSES ARE
REINVESTED ON AIRPORT
PROPERTY.

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IN TERMS OF OUR ACTIVITY
LEVELS AFTER THE RECESSION
IN 2009, WE SAW A POSITIVE

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GROWTH AGAIN IN 2010.
TOTAL PASSENGERS REACHING AN
ALL-TIME HIGH OF 12.6

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MILLION.
THAT’S UP 3.7%, WHICH
DOESN’T SOUND LIKE A BIG

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NUMBER, BUT THAT’S AN
ADDITIONAL 456.000
PASSENGERS MOVING THROUGH

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THE TERMINAL COMPLEX.
THIS JUST SHOWS YOU, SINCE
1992, THE STRONG GROWTH THAT

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WE HAVE HAD.
OF COURSE A BIG WAVE OF
EXPANSION IN THE LATE 1990s,

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2001, OF COURSE, WITH THE
UNFORTUNATE EVENTS OF 9/11,
A BIT OF A PULLBACK AND THEN

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AGAIN VERY, VERY STRONG
GROWTH UP UNTIL 2009.
AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS HAVE

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PICKED UP ALSO 1.2% TO
163.500 PASSENGERS.
YOU’LL NOTE NOT QUITE AS

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STRONG GROWTH AS PASSENGERS
THEMSELVES AND, OF COURSE,
YOU’LL KNOW BY EXPERIENCE IF

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YOU TRAVEL THAT LOAD FACTORS
ON MOST AIR CARRIERS NOW ARE
VERY, VERY HIGH.

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IN TERMS OF OUR FINANCES,
OUR TOTAL REVENUES LAST YEAR
IN 2010 WERE 267 MILLION.

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ROUGHLY ONE-THIRD, ONE-THIRD,
ONE-THIRD, BETWEEN AIF
REFUSE KNEE, AERONAUTICAL

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REVENUE AND COMMERCIAL
REVENUE.
FOR THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW,

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OUR COMMERCIAL REVENUE IS
NOW GREATER THAN
AERONAUTICAL REVENUE AND

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THAT’S A VERY GOOD THING
BECAUSE WHAT THAT ALLOWS US
TO DO IS KEEP OUR FEES TO

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THE AIRLINES, WESTJET AND
AIR CANADA, SET FOR AS LOW
AS POSSIBLE.

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IN THE OPERATIONS SECTOR,
OUR 2010 EXPENSES WERE JUST
UNDER A HUNDRED MILLION.

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THE GOODS AND SERVICES IS
THE LARGEST COMPONENT,
HOWEVER, THAT IS MANY

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DIFFERENT ITEMS AT JUST
UNDER 52 MILLION.
THE SECOND LARGEST SINGLE

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COMPONENT THAT YOU’RE
FAMILIAR WITH, OF COURSE,
FROM PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS,

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IS OUR FEDERAL RENT TO THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT JUST
OVER $24 MILLION.

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JUST ABOUT A QUARTER OF OUR
REVENUE GOES TO THAT.
BENEFITS WERE 17 MILLION AND

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PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY
OF CALGARY 5.6.
JUST TO ZERO IN ON THE

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FEDERAL RENT ISSUE, FROM
1992 NOW TO THE END OF 2010,
WE HAVE SPEPDED $356 MILLION

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TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT –
EXPENDED — FOR FEDERAL
RENT.

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GREY INDICATES ACTUAL RENT
PAID UP TO THE END OF 2010
AND THE RED BARS ARE

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PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FEW
YEARS.
OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT LAST

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YEAR, WE ARE A VERY
CAPITAL-INTENSIVE BUSINESS,
AS YOU KNOW.

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WAS $144 MILLION.
WE BROADLY BREAK THAT INTO
WHAT WE CALL THE OPERATIONS

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SECTOR, WHICH IS OUR
MAINTENANCE CAPITAL
EXPENDITURES, OUR

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RESTORATION OF EXISTING
FACILITIES, AND THE
ACQUISITION OF EQUIPMENT.

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AND THE LARGEST PORTION AT
$112 MILLION WAS OUR MAJOR
EXPANSION SECTOR WHICH IS,

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AGAIN, COMPRISED OF A NUMBER
OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
THIS LOOKS AT OUR TOTAL

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INVESTMENT SINCE WE
TRANSFERRED IN 1992, OUR
TOTAL INVESTMENT IS NOW $1.3

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BILLION.
YOU WILL SEE WE HAD A MAJOR
BURS OF EXPANSION AS WE

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BUILT THE CONCOURSE “D”
WHICH IS PRIMARILY OCCUPIED
WESTJET TODAY IN AROUND

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2001-2002, AND, OF COURSE,
AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOW
HEADING INTO ANOTHER WAVE OF

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VERY SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION
WHICH WILL BE THE LARGEST IN
OUR HISTORY.

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IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE
MEASURES, WE REACH OUTSIDE
THE ORGANIZATION TO

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DETERMINE HOW WE ARE DOING.
WE LOOK AT BOTH SERVICE
BENCHMARKS AND COST

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BENCHMARKS.
I’LL JUST SHOW YOU A COUPLE
OF THOSE HERE THIS MORNING.

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ON THE SERVICE SIDE, WHAT WE
DO, WE’RE VERY INVOLVED, AS
YOU KNOW, IN TRYING TO

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MAXIMIZE THE AVAILABILITY OF
AIR SERVICE TO CALGARIANS.
SO WHAT WE DO, WE ACTUALLY

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MEASURE THE NUMBER OF
AIRLINE SEATS AVAILABLE PER
CAPITA, AND WE RATE THAT

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AGAINST THE OTHER MAJOR
CITIES IN CANADA.
SO AS YOU WILL SEE, BY A

00:14:47.550,00:14:54.460
SIGNIFICANT MARGIN,
CALGARIANS ON A PER CAPITA
BASIS ENJOY THE HIGHEST

00:14:54.462,00:15:01.105
ACCESS TO AIRLINE SEATS IN
CANADA.
ON THE COST SIDE, WE TAKE A

00:15:01.107,00:15:04.638
SIMILAR MEASUREMENT.
WE TAKE OUR DIRECT AND
OPERATING COSTS PER

00:15:04.640,00:15:09.011
PASSENGER AND, AGAIN, WE
MEASURE THOSE EACH YEAR
AGAINST THE OTHER MAJOR

00:15:09.013,00:15:14.484
AIRPORTS IN CANADA.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, CALGARY
IS OFF TO THE LEFT, AND BY A

00:15:14.486,00:15:20.420
CONSIDERABLE MARGIN,
ACTUALLY, CALGARY HAS THE
LOWEST OPERATING COSTS PER

00:15:20.422,00:15:25.359
PASSENGER, ABOUT 40% LOWER
THAN THE NEXT CLOSEST
AIRPORT AND ABOUT 55% LOWER

00:15:25.361,00:15:33.868
THAN THE CANADIAN AVERAGE.
ANOTHER WAY WE MEASURE
SERVICE IS WE PARTICIPATE

00:15:33.870,00:15:40.005
AND WE HAVE DONE NOW FOR A
FEW YEARS, IN AIRPORTS
COUNCIL INTERNATIONAL, OUR

00:15:40.007,00:15:43.183
INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION.
THEY RUN AN INDEPENDENT

00:15:43.185,00:15:49.549
PASSENGER SURVEY FOR
PASSENGER SATISFACTION.
THIS SURVEY LOOKS AT 2010 IN

00:15:49.551,00:15:55.320
OUR GROUPING WHICH IS 5 TO
15 MILLION PASSENGER
AIRPORTS AND YOU CAN SEE THE

00:15:55.322,00:16:01.827
RED BAR TO THE LEFT IS YYC.
OUR CORPORATE TARGET IS –
THIS IS A FIVE-POINT SCALE,

00:16:01.829,00:16:09.965
OUR CORPORATE TARGET IS TO
BE ABOVE THE 80th PERCENTILE,
ABOUT 445 AND WE ARE

00:16:09.967,00:16:16.340
ACHIEVING THAT.
IN THIS PARTICULAR GROUPING,
WE ARE THERE — THERE ARE

00:16:16.342,00:16:19.139
TWO OTHER AIRPORTS, EDMONTON
AND MONTREAL.
OUR AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT

00:16:19.141,00:16:26.273
PROGRAM, OUR ADP AS WE CALL
IT, OF COURSE, THE LARGEST
PROJECT IN OUR HISTORY,

00:16:26.275,00:16:30.023
PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST
PROJECTS IN THE HISTORY OF
CALGARY.

00:16:30.025,00:16:37.953
A $2 BILLION PROJECT WHICH
IS NOW UNDER WAY.
WE ACTUALLY DID QUITE SOME

00:16:37.955,00:16:43.854
VERY SIGNIFICANT PRELIMINARY
WORKS IN 2010, AND HEAVY
CONSTRUCTION IS NOW UNDER

00:16:43.856,00:16:50.671
WAY IN 2010.
WE’LL CONTINUE RIGHT THROUGH
TO 2015.

00:16:50.673,00:16:56.101
IN 2010, HOWEVER, WE
ACHIEVED SOME VERY
SIGNIFICANT PROJECT

00:16:56.103,00:16:58.605
BENCHMARKS.
WE COMPLETE OUR MAJOR
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT

00:16:58.607,00:17:04.554
WHERE WE PARALLELED THE
PROCESS, AND THAT WAS A VERY
INTENSIVE PROJECT,

00:17:04.556,00:17:10.662
SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED.
WE UNDERTOOK AN INDEPENDENT
PROJECT CONTROLS AND RISK

00:17:10.664,00:17:16.131
MANAGEMENT REVIEW AND THAT
WAS COMPLETED LAST YEAR IN
2010 AND WILL HELP TO GUIDE

00:17:16.133,00:17:20.596
OVERSIGHT OF THE PROJECT
OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
AND, OF COURSE, THIS PROJECT

00:17:20.598,00:17:26.635
HAS BEEN IN THE PLANNING AND
DESIGN STAGES FOR A DECADE
BUT FINAL BOARD APPROVAL IN

00:17:26.637,00:17:33.274
THAT VERY LONG PROCESS WAS
RECEIVED IN THE FALL OF LAST
YEAR.

00:17:33.276,00:17:38.106
SO LOOKING AT THE TWO MAJOR
COMPONENTS OF THE ADP, WE
HAVE, OF COURSE, THE

00:17:38.108,00:17:42.243
INTERNATIONAL FACILITIES
PROJECT, PRIMARILY AN
INTERNATIONAL TRANSPORTER

00:17:42.245,00:17:46.109
CONCOURSE.
HOWEVER, IN THE EARLY YEARS,
THERE WILL BE SOME DOMESTIC

00:17:46.111,00:17:49.548
FLIGHTS OFF THIS CONCOURSE
AS WELL.
THE BUDGET IS ABOUT $1.4

00:17:49.550,00:17:55.228
BILLION.
IT’S — UNLIKE THE EXISTING
TERMINAL, THIS NEW PIECE OF

00:17:55.230,00:18:04.432
INFRASTRUCTURE WILL GO UP,
HAVE MORE VERTICAL ELEMENTS
TO IT, FIVE LEVELS OF SPACE,

00:18:04.434,00:18:07.334
183.500 SQUARE METRES.
THERE WILL BE 22 NEW
AIRCRAFT GATES.

00:18:07.336,00:18:13.277
THERE WILL BE A 300-ROOM
HOTEL WHICH WILL BE SITUATED
DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE LINK

00:18:13.279,00:18:18.719
BETWEEN THE NEW IFP AS WE
CALL IT AND THE OLD TERMINAL
COMPLEX.

00:18:18.721,00:18:24.231
AND THIS PROJECT IS
PROJECTED TO BE IN SERVICE
IN OCTOBER 2015 SO IT IS A

00:18:24.233,00:18:30.139
VERY LONG BUILD.
THIS IS JUST AN EXTERIOR
RENDITION OF WHAT THAT WILL

00:18:30.141,00:18:35.802
LOOK LIKE SO FROM THE LEFT,
YOU ARE COMING ACROSS THE
ROAD, YOU ARE GOING THROUGH

00:18:35.804,00:18:40.237
INITIALLY AIRLINE CHECK-IN,
THEN, OF COURSE, THROUGH
PRE-BOARD SCREENING OR

00:18:40.239,00:18:44.240
PERHAPS PRE-CLEARANCE IF
YOU’RE GOING TO THE UNITED
STATES, AND THEN CONTINUING

00:18:44.242,00:18:49.701
ON DOWN EITHER PRIMARILY TO
THE RIGHT WILL BE
INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURES AND

00:18:49.703,00:18:54.515
OFF TO THE LEFT WILL BE
DEPARTURES TO THE UNITED
STATES.

00:18:54.517,00:18:59.226
AND THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE
OF RENDITIONS OF THE
OPENNESS OF THE SPACE THAT

00:18:59.228,00:19:07.161
WILL BE CREATED IN THE NEW
IFP.
WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO

00:19:07.163,00:19:09.931
SUSTAINABILITY WITH THIS
PROJECT.
IT WAS A VERY MAJOR, MAJOR

00:19:09.933,00:19:18.501
FOLK FOR US.
600 GEOTHERMAL WELLS.
ENOUGH INFLOOR RADIANT

00:19:18.503,00:19:25.959
HEATING TUBING TO RUN FROM
CALGARY TO KELOWNA.
COGEN WILL SAVE A LOT OF CO2

00:19:25.961,00:19:29.219
EVERY YEAR.
WE WILL HARVEST RAINWATER,
ABOUT 10 MILLION LITRES WE

00:19:29.221,00:19:32.416
PROJECT, AND RECYCLE THAT
RAINWATER.
VERY HIGH-PERFORMANCE

00:19:32.418,00:19:36.554
BUILDING ENVELOPE.
AND UNLIKE OUR EXISTING
PLANT, WE’LL HAVE

00:19:36.556,00:19:39.623
DECENTRALIZED MECHANICAL AND
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS WHICH
AGAIN ARE MORE ENERGY

00:19:39.625,00:19:48.132
EFFICIENT.
TURNING TO THE FOURTH RUNWAY,
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR

00:19:48.134,00:19:53.909
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS
COMPLETED IN 2010.
AND SINCE 1979, VERY

00:19:53.911,00:19:59.312
FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE HAD OUR
NOISE CONTOUR AND ELECTRONIC
ZONING PROTECTION HAS BEEN

00:19:59.314,00:20:03.511
IN PLACE AND THAT WAS A
MAJOR BENEFIT TO US
THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING

00:20:03.513,00:20:09.650
PROCESS.
THIS RUNWAY COMPLEX, AND I
USE THAT TERM DELIBERATELY,

00:20:09.652,00:20:16.561
BECAUSE A RUNWAY IS A LOT
MORE THAN RUNWAY.
IT’S A COMPLEX SERIES OF

00:20:16.563,00:20:20.796
INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THE MAIN
RUNWAY WILL BE 14.000 FEET
LONG, 200 FEET WIDE.

00:20:20.798,00:20:27.378
THAT WILL BE ENOUGH TO
ACCOMMODATE A CODE “F” –
CODE “F” AIRCRAFT AND THAT

00:20:27.380,00:20:37.880
WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN A-380
OR A 747-800 MODEL.
IT WILL BE A CATEGORY 3-A

00:20:37.882,00:20:42.480
INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM
WHICH MEANS THAT — WHICH
WILL PROVIDE EVEN BETTER

00:20:42.482,00:20:47.449
ACCESS DURING PERIODS OF LOW
VISIBILITY THAN WE HAVE
TODAY.

00:20:47.451,00:20:54.797
WE WILL HAVE A CENTRALIZED
DE-ICING FACILITY WHERE
AIRCRAFT WILL MOVE TO DE-ICE

00:20:54.799,00:21:00.668
WHERE WE WILL CAPTURE THAT
FLUID SO ANOTHER
ENVIRONMENTALLY-FRIENDLY

00:21:00.670,00:21:04.413
INITIATIVE THERE.
WE WILL BE IN SERVICE IN MAY
2014.

00:21:04.415,00:21:09.371
THE COST OF THIS COMPONENT
IS ABOUT 620 MILLION.
AND IT DOES INCLUDE, VERY

00:21:09.373,00:21:16.614
SIGNIFICANTLY, AND WE ARE
PARTNERING WITH NAT CANADA
ON THIS, A NEW AIR TRAFFIC

00:21:16.616,00:21:19.217
CONTROL TOWER.
THAT CONTROL TOWER IS
ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

00:21:19.219,00:21:25.251
NOW AND IS SITUATED
MID-FIELD JUST ACROSS
ACTUALLY FROM THE WESTJET

00:21:25.253,00:21:34.035
CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE NEW
RUNWAY SYSTEM FROM THE NORTH

00:21:34.037,00:21:39.149
SO YOU CAN SEE THE
SIGNIFICANT SIZE OF THAT
FACILITY.

00:21:39.151,00:21:43.482
SO THE ADP, WHY ARE WE DOING
IT?
OF COURSE IT’S

00:21:43.484,00:21:49.766
CAPACITY-DRIVEN.
PARTICULARLY NOW ON THE
AIRFIELD, WE ARE

00:21:49.768,00:21:54.034
OVERCAPACITY, SIX DAYS A
WEEK, FROM 4:00 P.M. TO
10:00 P.M.

00:21:54.036,00:21:58.377
AND WE ARE HAVING TO
INSTITUTE VARIOUS TRAFFIC
MANAGEMENT INITIATIVES IN

00:21:58.379,00:22:02.322
THAT REGARD.
IT WILL HAVE A HUGE POSITIVE
ECONOMIC IMPACT.

00:22:02.324,00:22:07.464
WE PROJECT ABOUT 10.5
MILLION HOURS OF EMPLOYMENT
IN CALGARY WITH A PEAK

00:22:07.466,00:22:14.103
ONSITE WORKFORCE OF ABOUT
1600 INDIVIDUALS.
SPRINGBANK AIRPORT IS OUR

00:22:14.105,00:22:17.342
VERY IMPORTANT RELIEVER
AIRPORT.
AGAIN, LOCATED JUST TO THE

00:22:17.344,00:22:23.407
WEST OF CALGARY.
IT IS ACTUALLY AND MOST
RECENTLY THE 12th BUSIEST

00:22:23.409,00:22:29.741
AIRPORT IN CANADA IN TERMS
OF TOTAL AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS.
136.000 MOVEMENTS IN 2010.

00:22:29.743,00:22:37.384
I BELIEVE THE SECOND BUSIEST
AIRPORT IN ALBERTA FOR
AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS.

00:22:37.386,00:22:41.744
WE, AS THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
HAVE INVESTED ABOUT $34
MILLION SINCE 1997.

00:22:41.746,00:22:48.612
WE HAVE LENGTHENED THE MAIN
RUNWAY TO 5,000 FEET.
SPRINGBANK NOW HAS A FULL

00:22:48.614,00:22:53.996
INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM.
WE HAVE INSTITUTED WITH CBSA
CANADA CUSTOMS SERVICE.

00:22:53.998,00:22:58.574
THERE IS AN AREA OF FIRE
HALL WHICH IS ACTUALLY
PRIMARILY DESIGNED TO

00:22:58.576,00:23:03.084
PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE
SURROUNDING COMMUNITY ON
LAND THAT WE DONATED ON

00:23:03.086,00:23:06.554
SPRINGBANK AIRPORT AND
THERE’S BEEN A VERY
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN

00:23:06.556,00:23:11.791
SERVICE LAND AND
CONVENTIONLY ON AIRPORT
DEVELOPMENT OVER THE YEARS.

00:23:11.793,00:23:21.596
– CONVENTIONALLY.
THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF
SOME OF THE LATEST QUEMTS.

00:23:21.598,00:23:25.190
– DEVELOPMENTS.
MAINTENANCE BAYS ARE JUST
BEING FINISHED UP NOW.

00:23:25.192,00:23:30.662
I’LL TURN NOW TO KEY
ACTIVITIES AT YYC, CALGARY
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, IN

00:23:30.664,00:23:35.627
2010.
IT WAS A VERY BUSY AND
EXCITING YEAR FOR US.

00:23:35.629,00:23:40.395
WE HELD A FULL-SCALE
EMERGENCY EXERCISE, 12
PARTICIPATING AGENCIES, MANY

00:23:40.397,00:23:44.362
OF COURSE THOSE WITH THE
CITY OF CALGARY AND WESTJET
WAS OUR MAJOR AIRLINE

00:23:44.364,00:23:48.432
SPONSOR.
IT’S A VERY IMPORTANT
UNDERTAKING AND WE TEST ALL

00:23:48.434,00:23:53.937
OF OUR PROTOCOLS AND
COMMUNICATION PROCESSES AND
CERTAINLY WE ALWAYS LEARN

00:23:53.939,00:24:01.218
SOMETHING WHEN WE HOLD THESE
VERY IMPORTANT EXERCISES.
SAFETY IS JOB ONE, OF COURSE,

00:24:01.220,00:24:05.052
AT THE AIRPORT.
WE PARTICIPATE ACTUALLY IN
THE PROVINCE OF ALBERTA.

00:24:05.054,00:24:11.266
THEY HAVE A PARTNERSHIP
INJURY REDUCTION PROGRAM AND
PART OF THAT INVOLVES AN

00:24:11.268,00:24:15.698
ANNUAL AUDIT BY A THIRD
PARTY SO WE’RE VERY HAPPY,
WE DID THAT AUDIT PROCESS IN

00:24:15.700,00:24:23.072
2010, AND ACHIEVED A 95%
RATING ON THAT THIRD PARTY
SAFETY AUDIT.

00:24:23.074,00:24:29.481
I MENTIONED SUSTAINABILITY
SEVERAL TIMES.
IN 2010, WE RECYCLED ABOUT

00:24:29.483,00:24:41.084
290 METRIC TONNES OF PAPER
AND CARDBOARD.
504.000, 280.000 CANS, AND

00:24:41.086,00:24:45.902
IN 2010, WE REDUCED ELECTRIC
CONSUMPTION BY 13%, AND THAT
WAS QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

00:24:45.904,00:24:52.172
WE’VE HAD A LOT OF ENERGY
EFFICIENCY INITIATIVES
UNDERWAY IN THE LAST FEW

00:24:52.174,00:24:58.782
YEARS.
SECURITY VEHICLE IS NOT
PERFORMED BY THE AIRPORT

00:24:58.784,00:25:01.882
AUTHORITY.
AS YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT WE
CALL IN THE ZONE OF

00:25:01.884,00:25:06.889
INFLUENCE PROVIDED BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS CATSA
AND THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT

00:25:06.891,00:25:12.838
PARTY GARDA.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE DO TRY
AND EXERCISE INFLUENCE WITH

00:25:12.840,00:25:17.677
THEM.
WE DO NOTE THAT THEY HAVE
HAD A 58% INCREASE IN STAFF

00:25:17.679,00:25:22.087
OVER THE LAST 24 MONTHS.
WHAT WE DO AS THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY, THIS IS JUST A

00:25:22.089,00:25:26.224
PICTURE OF ONE OF THE
SCREENING AREAS, BUT WE TRY
AND IMPROVE THE LOOK AND THE

00:25:26.226,00:25:32.525
FEEL AND THE MOVEMENT OF
PASSENGERS THROUGH THAT AREA
AND MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION.

00:25:32.527,00:25:39.151
I MENTIONED THAT WE ARE IN A
CAPACITY-CONSTRAINED
CONDITION ON THE AIRFIELD SO

00:25:39.153,00:25:44.581
WHAT WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE
RESTRICTIONS DURING OUR PEAK
HOURS, WHICH IS OUR ARRIVAL

00:25:44.583,00:25:50.321
PEAK, WHICH IS 4:00 P.M. TO
10:00 P.M.
WE’VE LET ELIMINATED

00:25:50.323,00:25:54.387
TRAINING DURING THOSE HOURS.
WE’VE ELIMINATED SMALLER
AIRCRAFT DURING THOSE HOURS.

00:25:54.389,00:25:59.129
WE BUILT QUITE A FEW NEW
AIRFIELD PAVEMENT STRUCTURES
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AND WE

00:25:59.131,00:26:04.757
HAVE A MAJOR TAXIWAY
ADDITION GOING IN THIS YEAR
HELPING TO REDUCE THE RUNWAY

00:26:04.759,00:26:10.361
OCCUPANCY TIME AND ALLOW AS
MANY AIRCRAFT TO LAND AND
TAKE OFF DURING HOURS AS

00:26:10.363,00:26:13.830
POSSIBLE.
ANOTHER THING WE’VE DONE, WE
STARTED OUT WITH A FEW YEARS

00:26:13.832,00:26:18.569
AGO WE HAD A 20-MINUTE
MAINTENANCE WINDOW DURING
THE WINTER, DURING A SNOW

00:26:18.571,00:26:23.905
EVENT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO
REDUCE THAT TO 12 MINUTES.
NOW WE’RE DOWN TO 8 MINUTES.

00:26:23.907,00:26:28.649
WHAT 8 MINUTES MEANS IS WE
CAN DO ONE SWEEP OF THE
RUNWAY AND GET OFF AND

00:26:28.651,00:26:34.820
RESTORE NORMAL OPERATIONS
AFTER EIGHT MINUTES.
IN TERMS OF AIR SERVICES,

00:26:34.822,00:26:40.529
BOTH WESTJET AND AIR CANADA
OFFERED IMPROVED SERVICES,
DOMESTICALLY, TRANSPORTER

00:26:40.531,00:26:46.934
AND INTERNATIONALLY.
BIG NEWS, HOWEVER, PROBABLY
WAS LAST YEAR, OUR TOKYO

00:26:46.936,00:26:52.914
SERVICE ESTABLISHED AND WE
NOTE THEY HAVE INCREASED IN
FREQUENCY IN 2011.

00:26:52.916,00:26:58.688
OF COURSE WE’RE ALL AWARE OF
THE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS
CAUSED BY THE RECENT

00:26:58.690,00:27:04.353
DISASTER IN JAPAN, SO OUR
SERVICE IS STILL THERE, BUT
AS WE UNDERSTAND, TALKING TO

00:27:04.355,00:27:09.393
OUR PROVIDER, ALL SERVICES
INTO TOKYO HAVE BEEN
SOMEWHAT AFFECTED IN THE

00:27:09.395,00:27:14.263
NEAR TERM.
TERMINAL SERVICE
IMPROVEMENTS, WE TRY AND

00:27:14.265,00:27:19.200
IMPROVE THE VARIOUS SERVICES
EVERY YEAR.
WE DO NOW HAVE A NEW MEDICAL

00:27:19.202,00:27:23.488
CLINIC AND ASSOCIATED
PHARMACY IN OPERATION AT THE
TERMINAL.

00:27:23.490,00:27:28.676
OUR SOFT SEATING PROGRAM
WITH LEATHER CHAIRS AROUND
THE TERMINAL HAS BEEN QUITE

00:27:28.678,00:27:33.580
POPULAR.
CANADA CUSTOMS, WE’LL HAVE
TO WAIT FOR THE IFP FOR A

00:27:33.582,00:27:37.646
MAJOR EXPANSION TO THE
CANADA CUSTOMS AREA, BUT IN
THE INTERIM, WE ACTUALLY

00:27:37.648,00:27:43.348
PUSH THE WALL BACK, CREATED
MORE AREA FOR THE PRIMARY
INSPECTION PROCESS, AND THAT

00:27:43.350,00:27:48.312
HAS HELPED SOMEWHAT IN THE
SHORT TERM.
WE’RE ALSO, OF COURSE,

00:27:48.314,00:27:53.941
DEALING WITH OUR MAJOR
AIRLINE CLIENTS, WESTJET IS
VERY IMPORTANT AIR SERVICE

00:27:53.943,00:27:58.244
PROVIDER AT THE AIRPORT.
SO LAST YEAR, THEY CAME TO
US AND ASKED FOR A

00:27:58.246,00:28:01.749
MODIFICATION TO THEIR
CHECK-IN AREA AND PROCESS,
SO WE WERE ABLE TO

00:28:01.751,00:28:06.961
ACCOMMODATE THEM ON VERY
SHORT NOTICE.
RETAIL SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS,

00:28:06.963,00:28:11.462
I WON’T GO THROUGH THEM ALL,
BUT EVERY YEAR WE’RE ADDING
AND RENOVATING MANY OF OUR

00:28:11.464,00:28:18.027
RETAIL OUTLETS THROUGHOUT
THE TERMINAL COMPLEX.
PARKING IS A MAJOR ACTIVITY,

00:28:18.029,00:28:22.000
OF COURSE, OF THE AIRPORT.
WE HAVE MANY PARKING LOTS,
AND WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR

00:28:22.002,00:28:27.372
WAS WE PUT IN MORE WEEKLY
PARKING OPTIONS, AND AS A
RESULT OF THAT, WE DID

00:28:27.374,00:28:31.778
UNDERTAKE AN ADVERTISING
CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ACTUALLY
QUITE SUCCESSFUL AND SO WE

00:28:31.780,00:28:39.881
DO OFFER A VARIETY OF
LONGER-TERM PARKING OPTIONS.
CARGO IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT

00:28:39.883,00:28:43.712
ACTIVITY AT CALGARY
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, VERY
IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMY.

00:28:43.714,00:28:48.476
CARGO TONNAGE LAST YEAR WAS
UP 8.1%, A SIGNIFICANT
REBOUND FROM THE RECESSION.

00:28:48.478,00:28:56.121
AND VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, UPS
OPENED A BRAND-NEW 145.000
SQUARE FOOT AIR AND GROUND

00:28:56.123,00:29:01.527
FACILITY ON AIRPORT SO THAT
WAS A VERY POSITIVE
DEVELOPMENT FOR US.

00:29:01.529,00:29:08.372
AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE A
CAPITAL INTENSIVE BUSINESS.
LAST YEAR, 144 MILLION.

00:29:08.374,00:29:14.912
SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE
PICTURES ON THE GROUND SIDE,
ON AIR SIDE, WE ARE ALWAYS

00:29:14.914,00:29:19.484
BUILDING, I’VE BEEN AT THE
AIRPORT 29 YEARS NOW, AND I
CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE HAS

00:29:19.486,00:29:24.088
NOT BEEN A SINGLE DAY AT THE
AIRPORT IN 29 YEARS WHEN WE
HAVE NOT BEEN IN

00:29:24.090,00:29:31.503
CONSTRUCTION.
FINALLY, I’M SURE YOU’VE
ENJOYED THE SERVICES OF OUR

00:29:31.505,00:29:39.291
WHITE HAT PROGRAM.
NOW 240 INDIVIDUALS STRONG
AND A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT

00:29:39.293,00:29:46.003
SERVICE AT THE INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORT.
SO WITHOUT QUESTION, WE ARE

00:29:46.005,00:29:55.534
A VERY VITAL COMPONENT TO
THE CALGARY ECONOMY, AND WE
ARE GROWING TO ENSURE THAT

00:29:55.536,00:30:02.009
THAT CONTRIBUTION REMAINS
VERY STRONG IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:30:02.011,00:30:06.242
THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL
PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

00:30:06.244,00:30:10.175
MR. ATKINSON.
I INVITE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR

00:30:10.177,00:30:14.382
YOURSELF OR MR. MITCHELL.
I HAVE A COUPLE TO START OFF
WITH THAT I THINK ARE — I

00:30:14.384,00:30:18.558
WAS REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE
THE TWO CHARTS, THEY’RE NOT
NUMBERED HERE, THE ONES ON

00:30:18.560,00:30:22.226
SERVICE COMPARISON AND COST
COMPARISON.
ON THE SERVICE COMPARISON,

00:30:22.228,00:30:25.990
THAT’S VERY INTERESTING THAT
OUR AIRLINE SEATS PER CAPITA
ARE SO HIGH.

00:30:25.992,00:30:31.467
ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED
THAT WE’RE OVERBUILT FOR THE
SIZE OF HUB THAT WE ARE WHEN

00:30:31.469,00:30:36.230
WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO
PLACES LIKE VANCOUVER AND
TORONTO ON THAT CHART?

00:30:36.232,00:30:40.134
>> MY APOLOGIES, COULD YOU
REPEAT THE QUESTION.
>> I’M TALKING ABOUT THE

00:30:40.136,00:30:44.232
AIRLINE SEATS PER CAPITA
COMPARISON.
I WAS A BIT SURPRISED HOW

00:30:44.234,00:30:48.511
HIGH THAT WAS GIVEN THAT WE
DON’T SERVE A BIG REGION AND
THAT OUR SEATS PER CAPITA

00:30:48.513,00:30:51.393
ARE HIGHER THAN MAJOR HUBS
LIKE TORONTO.
ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED

00:30:51.395,00:30:55.566
THAT WE’RE OVERBUILT WITH
AIRLINE SERVICE?
>> MY CONCERN?

00:30:55.568,00:31:04.461
NO, I’M THRILLED, ACTUALLY.
THE WAY THAT YOU BUILD THAT
KIND OF A BASE IS YOU NEED

00:31:04.463,00:31:09.702
TO BECOME A MAJOR CONNECTING
HUB.
AND CALGARY, OF COURSE, IS A

00:31:09.704,00:31:13.174
STRONG ECONOMIC CITY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HEAD
OFFICES HERE.

00:31:13.176,00:31:16.379
WE’RE GEOGRAPHICALLY
WELL-POSITIONED SO THAT IS
CERTAINLY PART OF IT.

00:31:16.381,00:31:21.578
HOWEVER, 30% OF OUR TRAFFIC
IS CONNECTING.
AND THAT’S VERY HELPFUL

00:31:21.580,00:31:26.981
BECAUSE WHAT THE AIRLINES DO
IS THEY BRING IN TRAFFIC
FROM SMALLER CENTRES, THEY

00:31:26.983,00:31:32.099
CONSOLIDATE IT IN CALGARY
AND THAT HELPS TO A
LOT OF DIRECT SERVICES FROM

00:31:32.101,00:31:36.362
CALGARY.
SO IT’S FANTASTIC.
WE ARE WHAT EVERY AIRPORT

00:31:36.364,00:31:39.432
ACTUALLY IN CANADA ASPIRES
TO BE.
>> BECAUSE WE’RE A HUB FOR

00:31:39.434,00:31:44.271
BOTH AIRLINES.
>> WE ARE A HUB FOR BOTH
WESTJET AND AIR CANADA, YES.

00:31:44.273,00:31:48.273
>> THE VERY NEXT SLIDE YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COST
COMPARISON.

00:31:48.275,00:31:53.149
WHICH LOOKS FANTASTIC, THE
DIRECT OPERATING COSTS PER
PASSENGER.

00:31:53.151,00:31:57.746
I’M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT
TERM DIRECT OPERATING COSTS,
AM I RIGHT IN ASSUMING THAT

00:31:57.748,00:32:01.314
DOESN’T INCLUDE THE RENT
THAT YOU PAID TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, NOR DOES IT

00:32:01.316,00:32:05.614
INCLUDE DEPRECIATION,
AMORTIZATION AND INTEREST –
>> WHAT DIRECT OPERATING

00:32:05.616,00:32:09.591
COSTS, OUR GOODS AND
SERVICES WHICH IS OUR
BIGGEST BUNDLE OF COSTS,

00:32:09.593,00:32:13.029
SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND
IT’S OUR PROPERTY TAXES.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK

00:32:13.031,00:32:18.237
LIKE ON AN ALL-IN BASIS
COMPARED TO OTHER AIRPORTS?
THE REASON I’M ASKING IS

00:32:18.239,00:32:21.340
BECAUSE I’M CURIOUS ABOUT
MAKING THE ARGUMENT TO THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT

00:32:21.342,00:32:24.275
YOUR RENTS BEING TOO HIGH
AND HOW WE CAN BE HELPFUL IN
THAT.

00:32:24.277,00:32:28.709
WHEN YOU BAKE IN THE RENTS
AND WHEN YOU BAKE IN THE
INTEREST APPRECIATION

00:32:28.711,00:32:31.280
AMORTIZATION, DO YOU HAVE
ANY IDEA HOW YOU LOOK
COMPARED TO OTHER AIRPORTS?

00:32:31.282,00:32:38.158
>> WELL, AS OF JANUARY 1st,
2010, ALL AIRPORTS IN CANADA
FELL UNDER A COMMON RENT

00:32:38.160,00:32:43.392
REGIME AND SO WE ALL PAY A
PERCENTAGE OF OUR GROSS
REVENUES.

00:32:43.394,00:32:47.629
IT’S AN INCREMENTAL FORMULA
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I
WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT IT

00:32:47.631,00:32:51.468
IS THEREFORE RELATIVELY
EQUAL BETWEEN ALL MAJOR
AIRPORTS IN CANADA RELATIVE

00:32:51.470,00:32:55.377
TO REVENUE BASE.
SO I DON’T THINK THE
INCLUSION OF RENT WOULD IN

00:32:55.379,00:33:00.207
ANY WAY DISTORT THAT FIGURE.
IN TERMS OF DEPRECIATION
AMORTIZATION, OF COURSE,

00:33:00.209,00:33:04.512
THAT VERY MUCH DEPENDS WHERE
EVERY AIRPORT IS IN THE
LONG-TERM INVESTMENT

00:33:04.514,00:33:09.655
CAPACITY CYCLE.
SOME AIRPORTS HAVE NOT HAD
TO INVEST, THAT WILL COME IN

00:33:09.657,00:33:14.217
THE FUTURE.
SOME AIRPORTS, TORONTO IS A
BIG EXAMPLE, HAVE HAD TO

00:33:14.219,00:33:18.678
INVEST SIGNIFICANTLY, SO THE
ANSWER IS THAT ALL DEPENDS
WHERE YOU ARE IN THE

00:33:18.680,00:33:22.515
LONG-TERM CYCLE.
>> THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

00:33:22.517,00:33:26.165
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE
RECOGNIZE THE CLASS BEFORE

00:33:26.167,00:33:32.939
WE GET INTO THIS QUESTIONS?
>> YES, THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THE

00:33:32.941,00:33:38.609
GRADE 5 AND 6 STUDENTS FROM
UNIVERSITY ELEMENTARY.
THEY’RE ACCOMPANIED WITH

00:33:38.611,00:33:43.479
THEIR TEACHER LAURA SMART
AND THE VOLUNTEER TOUR
GUIDES ARE SHEILA MORRISON

00:33:43.481,00:33:47.414
AND HEIDI HORNE SO WELCOME
TODAY.
>> YOU CAN STAND UP, IF YOU

00:33:47.416,00:33:54.495
LIKE, SO YOU CAN BE
RECOGNIZED.
(Applause)

00:33:55.567,00:33:58.534
THERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU.
WELCOME TO CITY HALL.

00:33:58.536,00:34:01.343
HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY
HERE TODAY.
AND ALDERMAN FARRELL LIKES

00:34:01.345,00:34:04.945
TO REMIND PEOPLE, YOU WERE
JUST ON TV.
VERY EXCITING.

00:34:04.947,00:34:09.021
SO THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:34:09.023,00:34:16.418
AND THANK YOU, MR. ATKINSON,
FOR BEING HERE, AND I SEE
FROM YOUR CHARTS THAT

00:34:16.420,00:34:21.080
THERE’S TREMENDOUS
SATISFACTION FOR WHAT THE
AIRPORT IS DOING AND YOU

00:34:21.082,00:34:26.318
ALSO MENTION IN THERE ABOUT
THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THIS
CITY AND I GOTTA REITERATE

00:34:26.320,00:34:33.552
THAT I’M PROUD TO HAVE THE
AIRPORT IN MY WARD AND I
THINK I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF

00:34:33.554,00:34:36.427
CALGARIANS WHEN I SAY WE’RE
PROUD OF THE JOB THAT YOU
HAVE DONE TO BUILD THIS

00:34:36.429,00:34:40.297
AIRPORT.
SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT RIGHT
UPFRONT.

00:34:40.299,00:34:45.594
NOW, OF COURSE, YOU DIDN’T
HAVE THE AIRPORT TUNNEL IN
YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I DO

00:34:45.596,00:34:52.642
NEED TO SPEAK A LITTLE TO
THAT TO ASK YOU TWO OR THREE
QUESTIONS AS I GO.

00:34:52.644,00:34:59.987
FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE
BENEFIT OF MY FELLOW MEMBERS
OF COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, I

00:34:59.989,00:35:05.796
WANT TO — I DON’T WANT TO
PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT
I WANT TO SAY WHAT I THINK

00:35:05.798,00:35:12.275
YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING TO US
ALL ALONG AND THAT IS THAT
WE AS A CITY ARE FREE TO

00:35:12.277,00:35:17.182
BUILD THE RUNWAY, YOU DON’T
HAVE AN OPPOSITION — OR THE
TUNNEL, I MEAN, THAT’S TOO

00:35:17.184,00:35:22.418
BIG A PROJECT — SORRY, WE
COULDN’T GET APPROVAL FOR
THAT MUCH.

00:35:22.420,00:35:26.277
YOU’RE NOT OPPOSED TO US
BUILDING THE TUNNEL
PROVIDING THREE THINGS.

00:35:26.279,00:35:31.647
NUMBER ONE, THAT IT DOESN’T
COST YOU ANY MONEY.
NUMBER TWO, THAT IT DOES NOT

00:35:31.649,00:35:36.786
DELAY IN ANY WAY THE
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE
PLANNED FOR BUILDING.

00:35:36.788,00:35:43.587
AND NUMBER THREE, THAT WE
AGREE TO A SIGNED CONTRACT
WHICH BY THE WAY, THANK YOU,

00:35:43.589,00:35:50.225
WE GOT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
DAYS, THE HUNDRED-PAGE
AGREEMENT.

00:35:50.227,00:35:53.092
SO IS THAT FAIR TO SAY THAT
THAT’S BEEN YOUR OUTLOOK ON
THIS?

00:35:53.094,00:35:58.606
>> WELL, AS YOU WOULD
APPRECIATE, AND I GUESS,
YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH THE

00:35:58.608,00:36:04.631
CHAIR, I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN
THIS PARTICULAR MATTER SINCE
2003.

00:36:04.633,00:36:10.853
I HAVE I THINK NOW 12
BINDERS, FOUR-INCH BINDERS
ON THIS PROJECT.

00:36:10.855,00:36:15.070
>> YOU’RE ONE AHEAD OF ME.
>> MY POINT TO YOU, YOUR
WORSHIP, IS THAT THERE ARE

00:36:15.072,00:36:18.547
MANY ASPECTS TO IT.
I THINK THOSE ARE THREE OF
THEM.

00:36:18.549,00:36:23.419
I DON’T KNOW IF AT THIS
PODIUM I CAN SIMPLIFY IT TO
THREE BUT THERE’S CERTAINLY

00:36:23.421,00:36:30.794
MANY ASPECTS THAT HAVE BEEN
UNDER DISCUSSION.
MYSELF AND OWEN TOBERT, YOUR

00:36:30.796,00:36:35.297
CITY MANAGER, MET LAST WEEK
WITH OUR RESPECTIVE TEAMS.
WE WENT THROUGH A GREAT MANY

00:36:35.299,00:36:39.994
ISSUES, I THOUGHT HAD A VERY
PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
>> BUT THE POINT THAT I’M

00:36:39.996,00:36:44.229
MAKING IS THAT PROVIDING
CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET,
THEN YOU’RE NOT OPPOSED TO

00:36:44.231,00:36:47.263
US BUILDING THE TUNNEL.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY.

00:36:47.265,00:36:52.699
NOW, DURING THE LAST FEW
MONTHS, THERE’S BEEN A
NUMBER OF MONTHS OF TALKS ON

00:36:52.701,00:36:59.746
THIS, WE STARTED OUT TALKING
ABOUT A 720-METRE CONTINUOUS
STRUCTURE AND THEN IT

00:36:59.748,00:37:06.217
CHANGED TO A 615 METRE
BECAUSE THAT WAS DETERMINED
THAT’S WHAT YOU NEEDED.

00:37:06.219,00:37:10.291
BUT IT’S BEEN — THE TALKS
HAVE ALL BEEN ABOUT A
CONTINUOUS STRUCTURE, NOT

00:37:10.293,00:37:19.291
ABOUT A SEGMENTED BUILD,
RIGHT?
>> WELL, OUR — THE TROUBLE

00:37:19.293,00:37:23.162
IS I’VE BEEN ON THIS FILE
TOO LONG.
IF YOU GO BACK TO 2003 AND

00:37:23.164,00:37:28.564
OVER THOSE INTERVENING EIGHT
YEARS, I BELIEVE, THERE HAVE
BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH

00:37:28.566,00:37:33.009
THE CITY ON A SEGMENTED
TUNNEL.
I BELIEVE WE BOTH AGREEED

00:37:33.011,00:37:36.716
AND THIS WAS CONFIRMED, I
BELIEVE, THROUGH THE CITY
DISCUSSIONS WITH TRANSPORT

00:37:36.718,00:37:40.295
CANADA THAT SEGMENTED TUNNEL
IN THIS PARTICULAR
CIRCUMSTANCE IS NOT

00:37:40.297,00:37:42.969
APPROPRIATE.
SO I DON’T THINK THAT’S AN
ISSUE BETWEEN US.

00:37:42.971,00:37:47.404
>> NO, AND IT HASN’T BEEN
FOR SOME TIME, OVER A YEAR,
I WOULD IMAGINE.

00:37:47.406,00:37:49.307
>> I BELIEVE SO.
THAT’S RIGHT.
>> YES.

00:37:49.309,00:37:54.840
NOW, I JUST WANT TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR GROWTH
SO, AGAIN, THAT OUR PEOPLE

00:37:54.842,00:38:00.784
UNDERSTAND.
WE PRESENTLY HAVE
APPROXIMATELY 50.000 PEOPLE

00:38:00.786,00:38:05.653
LIVING NORTH OF McKNIGHT ON
THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR
PROPERTY.

00:38:05.655,00:38:13.249
AND WE PLAN TO PUT IN THERE
A CITY THE SIZE OF RED DEER
NORTH OF THAT AND ON THE

00:38:13.251,00:38:17.455
EAST SIDE OF YOUR AIRPORT,
INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, NOT
JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT

00:38:17.457,00:38:25.354
THERE’S A POSSIBILITY OF
40.000 JOBS BEING CREATED IN
THE AVPA OVER THE NEXT 20,

00:38:25.356,00:38:29.487
30 YEARS.
THIS GROWTH HAS ALL BEEN
DENY PART OF IT IS APPROVED,

00:38:29.489,00:38:34.694
SOME IN THE PROCESS OF
APPROVAL, BUT IT’S ALL BEEN
BUILT OR APPROVED UNDER THE

00:38:34.696,00:38:40.907
UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS
TUNNEL AND THIS EXPRESSWAY
FROM DEERFOOT TO THE EAST

00:38:40.909,00:38:44.176
FREEWAY WERE A PART OF THE
PLANS.
IN FACT, IT’S BEEN IN THE

00:38:44.178,00:38:51.781
AIRPORT’S MASTER PLAN SINCE
’95, I THINK, AND IN
CALGARY’S TRANSPORT PLAN.

00:38:51.783,00:38:55.376
>> SINCE 2004, ACTUALLY.
>> 2004, THANK YOU FOR THAT
CORRECTION.

00:38:55.378,00:38:57.877
SO IT’S BEEN THERE SOME
TIME.
SO ALL OF THE GROWTH AND THE

00:38:57.879,00:39:03.954
PLANS AND THE ROAD STRUCTURE
AND EVERYTHING HAVE BEEN
DONE WITH THAT IN MIND.

00:39:03.956,00:39:08.693
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOUR
GROWTH, AND I WANT TO THROW
SOMETHING OUT TO YOU HERE TO

00:39:08.695,00:39:14.826
SEE IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE,
I’VE BEEN DOING, OF COURSE,
A LOT OF STUDY ON

00:39:14.828,00:39:18.268
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS AND
THEIR GROWTH AROUND THE
WORLD, AND THE PROJECTION

00:39:18.270,00:39:23.166
AND IS THAT’S WHY I’VE GOT A
NUMBER OF BINDERS, TOO, BUT
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE

00:39:23.168,00:39:30.040
EXPERTS ARE SAYING IS THAT
RIGHT NOW, THERE’S
APPROXIMATELY 4.5

00:39:30.042,00:39:34.588
BILLIONAIRE TRAVELERS IN THE
WORLD EACH YEAR.
BUT THEY’RE PREDICTING THAT

00:39:34.590,00:39:39.597
WITHIN 20 YEARS THAT THAT
WILL BE BETWEEN 12 AND 13
BILLION, IN OTHER WORDS,

00:39:39.599,00:39:43.664
PRETTY WELL A THREE-TIME
GROWTH IN AIR TRAVEL.
AND THEY’RE ALSO PREDICTING

00:39:43.666,00:39:50.338
A THREE-TIME GROWTH IN
FREIGHT, AIR FREIGHT.
ARE THESE COMPARABLE TO YOUR

00:39:50.340,00:39:53.848
PROJECTION STUDY OR WHAT YOU
THINK OR DO YOU THINK YOUR
GROWTH WOULD BE LOWER OR

00:39:53.850,00:39:56.587
HIGHER THAN THOSE
PROJECTIONS?
>> SURE.

00:39:56.589,00:40:03.124
OUR MASTER PLAN PROJECTION
IS 3% PER YEAR, WHICH WOULD
BE CONSISTENT WITH AN

00:40:03.126,00:40:07.060
AIRPORT AND A CITY OF OUR
SIZE AND MATURITY SO TO
SPEAK.

00:40:07.062,00:40:13.366
OBVIOUSLY IN OTHER PARTS OF
THE WORLD, CHINA IS A GREAT
EXAMPLE, AND AREAS IN THAT

00:40:13.368,00:40:19.569
PARTICULAR REGION OF THE
WORLDR GROWING AT A MUCH,
MUCH HIGHER RATE SO WHEN YOU

00:40:19.571,00:40:24.775
AVERAGE IT IN, I’M SURE YOU
GET A MUCH HIGHER RATE.
BUT IN OUR MASTER PLAN, WE

00:40:24.777,00:40:27.910
ARE USE AGO 3% GROWTH RATE.
>> OF COURSE THE
ANNOUNCEMENT BY CHINA LAST

00:40:27.912,00:40:32.117
YEAR THAT CANADA WAS AN
ACCEPTED DESTINATION,
THERE’S SOME HUGE POTENTIAL

00:40:32.119,00:40:37.359
FOR US IN THIS CITY BECAUSE
OF BANFF TO HAVE A LOT OF
THOSE TOURISTS COMING HERE,

00:40:37.361,00:40:41.794
RIGHT?
>> WE CERTAINLY HOPE SO.
>> YES.

00:40:41.796,00:40:47.863
SO WITH OUR GROWTH AND YOUR
GROWTH PLAN, DO YOU FEEL
THAT CAA HAS ANY

00:40:47.865,00:40:55.370
RESPONSIBILITY OR ANY ROLE
TO PLAY IN US MANAGING THE
GROWTH AND THE PROJECTED

00:40:55.372,00:40:59.206
CONGESTION OVER THE NEXT 20,
30 YEARS, DO YOU FEEL THAT
THERE’S ANY ROLE OR

00:40:59.208,00:41:04.919
RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU IN
THAT?
>> YES, ACTUALLY, WE FEEL A

00:41:04.921,00:41:13.762
DEEP RESPONSIBILITY TO
EXPAND THE AIRPORT TO PERMIT
FUTURE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TO

00:41:13.764,00:41:18.722
TAKE PLACE WHICH IS WHY
WE’VE INVESTED, OF COURSE,
$1.3 BILLION TO DATE SINCE

00:41:18.724,00:41:25.020
1992, AND NOW WHY WE’RE
UNDERTAKING WHAT IS THE
LARGEST PROJECT IN OUR

00:41:25.022,00:41:30.459
HISTORY AS I MENTIONED THAT
$2 BILLION.
SO ABSOLUTELY, WE FEEL AN

00:41:30.461,00:41:34.901
IMPORTANT NEED TO DO OUR JOB,
WHICH IS TO EXPAND AIRPORT
INFRASTRUCTURE.

00:41:34.903,00:41:41.542
>> NOW, IT COULD BE ARGUED
THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
YOU STOPS AT THE BORDER OF

00:41:41.544,00:41:46.768
YOUR PROPERTY AND ONCE A
VEHICLE, WHETHER IT BE A CAR
OR A BUS, A TRUCK,

00:41:46.770,00:41:51.541
MOTORCYCLE, ONCE THEY HIT
YOUR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY, BUT ONCE

00:41:51.543,00:41:54.009
THEY EXIT YOUR PROPERTY, IT
WOULD BE THE CITY’S
RESPONSIBILITY.

00:41:54.011,00:41:58.445
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR DO
YOU THINK THAT YOU SHOULD
HAVE A ROLE IN HELPING US

00:41:58.447,00:42:04.053
MANAGE THE CONGESTION THAT
IS GOING TO HAPPEN ALL
AROUND YOUR AIRPORT?

00:42:04.055,00:42:07.920
>> WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS
WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN
RESPONSIBILITIES IN THAT

00:42:07.922,00:42:12.967
REGARD.
WE HAVE CERTAIN CAPABILITIES
AS THE CALGARY AIRPORT

00:42:12.969,00:42:23.779
AUTHORITY.
WE ARE WITHIN PRUDENT FISCAL
PARAMETERS AS WE UNDERTAKE 2

00:42:23.781,00:42:27.578
BILLION BUT, AT THE SAME
TIME, I CAN TELL YOU IT IS
STRETCHING US TO OUR

00:42:27.580,00:42:31.876
FINANCIAL LIMITS TO
UNDERTAKE THIS EXPANSION,
WITH NO HELP, AS YOU KNOW,

00:42:31.878,00:42:36.550
FROM THE TAXPAYER.
NOT ONLY DO WE RECEIVE
ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY FROM ANY

00:42:36.552,00:42:43.491
LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, AS I
NOTED IN MY SLIDES, WE HAVE
NOW CONTRIBUTED $350 MILLION

00:42:43.493,00:42:47.131
THE OTHER WAY TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
SO WITHIN THAT FINANCIAL

00:42:47.133,00:42:52.770
PARAMETER, WE ARE DOING
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE
THE CONTINUED ECONOMIC

00:42:52.772,00:42:57.711
SUCCESS OF CALGARY AND, OF
COURSE, OUR RESPONSIBILITY
IS CERTAINLY EVERYTHING TO

00:42:57.713,00:43:04.484
DO WITH THE AIRPORT.
>> AND WE ARE NOT FOREIGN TO
BEING STRAPPED FOR CAPITAL,

00:43:04.486,00:43:08.359
THAT’S SOMETHING THAT WE’RE
QUITE FAMILIAR WITH AS YOU
KNOW.

00:43:08.361,00:43:14.860
NOW, THE FINAL QUESTION I
HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS
YOU SAID TO START WITH, THAT

00:43:14.862,00:43:20.137
WE WERE FREE TO BUILD –
THAT YOU WEREN’T OPPOSED TO
US BUILDING THE RUNWAY, BUT

00:43:20.139,00:43:25.702
I HAVE TO ASK YOU THIS
POINTEDLY BECAUSE THAT’S NOT
THE WORD THAT WE’RE GETTING.

00:43:25.704,00:43:32.446
YOU MET WITH THE WESTJET
JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND RIGHT AFTER THAT,

00:43:32.448,00:43:37.452
WESTJET CAME OUT WITH QUITE
A NEGATIVE MEDIA APPROACH TO
THE TUNNEL.

00:43:37.454,00:43:43.352
AND THE NECESSARY — THE
NECESSITY OF IT AND THE
CONCERNS THEY HAD FOR

00:43:43.354,00:43:48.414
SECURITY.
WHEN OUR PEOPLE MET WITH
THEM, MR. ATKINSON, WHAT

00:43:48.416,00:43:55.993
THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY HAD
LEARNED FROM YOU OR YOUR
TEAM THAT WE WERE — THAT

00:43:55.995,00:44:01.768
YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOUR OF
THE TUNNEL BUT ALSO ONE OF
THE REASONS WAS BECAUSE YOU

00:44:01.770,00:44:06.434
INFORMED THEM THAT WE WERE
AS A CITY GOING AFTER A
SEGMENTED TUNNEL.

00:44:06.436,00:44:12.736
NOW, WHY WOULD THEY SAY THAT
AFTER THE MEETING WITH YOU,
WOULD THAT NOT HAVE BEEN

00:44:12.738,00:44:18.534
CLEARED UP, THAT WE WEREN’T
TALKING ABOUT A SEGMENTED
TUNNEL?

00:44:18.536,00:44:22.217
>> YOU’VE GOT MANY QUESTIONS
IMBEDDED THERE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN RECALL

00:44:22.219,00:44:26.262
THEM ALL.
CERTAINLY I WOULD TELL YOU
FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW,

00:44:26.264,00:44:31.603
WHICH I THINK IS ONE OF THE
THRUST OF YOUR QUESTION, WE
LOOKED VERY CAREFULLY AT A

00:44:31.605,00:44:37.690
SEGMENTED TUNNEL AS WE
PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND
DISCARDED THAT IDEA SOME

00:44:37.692,00:44:40.426
YEARS AGO.
HAVING SAID THAT, BEYOND
THAT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT

00:44:40.428,00:44:43.992
EVERYTHING IN THE AVIATION,
WHETHER IT’S AIRPORT
AUTHORITIES, WHETHER IT’S

00:44:43.994,00:44:50.307
AIRLINES, WHETHER IT’S AIR
TRAFFIC CONTROL, IT IS
TOTALLY DEDICATED TO THE

00:44:50.309,00:44:56.301
SAFE OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT
AND THE SAFE ARRIVAL AND
DEPARTURE AND ARRIVAL OF

00:44:56.303,00:45:02.368
AIRCRAFT WITH PASSENGERS.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON’T
HAVE ANY CONCERNS AND WE’RE

00:45:02.370,00:45:09.446
VERY CONFIDENT THAT WHATEVER
IS UNDERTAKEN WILL BE VERY
SAFE AND WE WOULD NEVER DO

00:45:09.448,00:45:17.791
ANYTHING, NOR WOULD ANY
AIRLINE OR ANY AIRPORT
OPERATOR OR WOULD NAV CANADA

00:45:17.793,00:45:21.555
DO ANYTHING UNSAFE.
SO I CAN TELL YOU, IF I
BRIEFLY CAN RECALL THOSE

00:45:21.557,00:45:25.089
TOPICS, THEY’RE NOT TOP OF
HEAD, BUT I’M VERY CONFIDENT
WE HAVE A VERY SAFE

00:45:25.091,00:45:28.927
OPERATION TODAY AND WHATEVER
WE DO IN THE FUTURE WILL
PRESERVE THAT VERY SAFE

00:45:28.929,00:45:34.026
OPERATION.
>> SO YOU MISSED THE POINT
OF MY QUESTION SO I’LL ASK

00:45:34.028,00:45:40.167
IT AGAIN.
WHY WOULD WESTJET AND ALSO,
BY THE WAY, TRANSPORT CANADA,

00:45:40.169,00:45:45.614
TELL US THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD
THAT WE WERE GOING AFTER A
SEGMENTED TUNNEL?

00:45:45.616,00:45:51.094
>> I DON’T BELIEVE, YOUR
WORSHIP, EITHER MYSELF NOR
THE HONOURABLE MEMBER WERE

00:45:51.096,00:45:55.666
AT ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS SO
I HAVE NO FIRST PARTY
ACCOUNT OF THEM AND I’M NOT

00:45:55.668,00:45:59.402
SURE IF YOU DO.
BUT SINCE I WASN’T AT ANY OF
THESE MEETINGS, I CAN’T

00:45:59.404,00:46:06.979
REALLY COMMENT ON THAT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN

00:46:06.981,00:46:09.849
STEVENSON.
THANKS, MR. ATKINSON FOR
ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.

00:46:09.851,00:46:14.027
I THINK IT IS HELPFUL FOR US
TO GET OUT ON THE TABLE
WHERE WE STAND AS THERE HAS

00:46:14.029,00:46:17.831
BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF
MISINFORMATION.
WHEN WE GET PHONE CALLS FROM

00:46:17.833,00:46:21.659
REPORTERS SAYING THE AIRPORT
HAS SAID THEY’RE FULLY
OPPOSED TO THIS TUNNEL, IT’S

00:46:21.661,00:46:25.002
IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE
REAL FACTS ON THE TABLE.
SO I THANK YOU FOR DOING

00:46:25.004,00:46:29.506
THAT TODAY.
ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:46:29.508,00:46:32.712
THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION AND FOR THE JOB
YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF

00:46:32.714,00:46:38.312
CALGARY.
AND IT IS A VIBRANT AIRPORT
THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE

00:46:38.314,00:46:43.045
ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT’S
DRIVING CALGARY.
I’M ALSO PLEASED TO HEAR THE

00:46:43.047,00:46:47.446
WEIGHT THAT YOU GUYS PUT
INTO SUSTAINABILITY.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT

00:46:47.448,00:46:50.677
YOU’RE DOING WITH THE NEW
EXPANSION, SOME OF THE
THINGS YOU’RE DOING WITH

00:46:50.679,00:46:56.245
RECYCLING ONSITE, VERY
IMPRESSIVE.
SUSTAINABILITY, OF COURSE,

00:46:56.247,00:47:00.695
IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
IT’S WHAT YOU DO WITHIN YOUR
BOUNDARIES AND THEN IT’S

00:47:00.697,00:47:05.167
YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH –
OUTSIDE THE AREAS.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO NOT

00:47:05.169,00:47:09.595
SEE TRANSIT CONNECTION TO
THE AIRPORT BEING ADDRESSED
IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY, AND

00:47:09.597,00:47:15.576
I’D LIKE YOU TO EXPAND ON
WHAT THE AIRPORT’S POSITION
IS ON TRANSIT ACCESS AND

00:47:15.578,00:47:18.401
YOUR LONG-TERM PLANS,
PLEASE.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY, THANK

00:47:18.403,00:47:23.627
YOU.
THE AIRPORT, FOR MANY YEARS,
ACTUALLY GOING BACK

00:47:23.629,00:47:29.489
PREDATING OUR CURRENT MASTER
PLAN, AND INCLUDING OUR
CURRENT MASTER PLAN, HAVE

00:47:29.491,00:47:33.055
ANTICIPATED AND PRESERVED A
CORRIDOR FOR LRT TO THE
AIRPORT.

00:47:33.057,00:47:37.786
THERE’S NO QUESTION ABOUT
THAT.
HOW THAT WILL EVOLVE OVER

00:47:37.788,00:47:42.721
TIME, I THINK, WOULD BE
SIMILAR TO THE CITY OF
CALGARY’S PLANS WHERE YOU GO

00:47:42.723,00:47:47.090
THROUGH USUALLY A SERIES OF
STAGES WHICH MAY INVOLVE
UPGRADING THE BUS SERVICE,

00:47:47.092,00:47:51.297
RAPID BUS SERVICE,
EVENTUALLY LEADING PERHAPS
IN MANY CASES TO LRT.

00:47:51.299,00:47:54.502
WE’RE CERTAINLY HOPING,
ANTICIPATING, AND HOPING,
THAT IN THE LONG-TERM, WE

00:47:54.504,00:48:00.336
WILL GET AN LRT LEG DIRECTLY
TO THE AIRPORT.
NOW, THERE IS THE OFFICIAL

00:48:00.338,00:48:06.948
CITY PLAN, AS YOU KNOW, IS
TO HAVE WHAT WE CALL A
SUPERSTATION DIRECTLY TO THE

00:48:06.950,00:48:12.938
WEST OF THE AIRPORT WHICH
WOULD BE A STATION HOUSING
THE FUTURE NORTH-CENTRAL

00:48:12.940,00:48:18.967
LINE OF THE LRT BUT
HOPEFULLY ALSO A STATION FOR
COMMUTER RAIL TO AIRDRIE AND

00:48:18.969,00:48:25.071
PERHAPS A HIGH-SPEED RAIL
STATION TO EDMONTON WHICH
HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE

00:48:25.073,00:48:30.867
PROVINCE MANY TIMES OVER THE
YEARS AND IS STILL ON THE
DRAWING BOOKS OF MANY

00:48:30.869,00:48:36.805
ORGANIZATIONS.
IT WOULD APPEAR VERY
PRACTICAL TO US TO TIE INTO

00:48:36.807,00:48:42.944
THAT SUPERSTATION BECAUSE
THAT WOULD BE A CRITICAL
EXCHANGE POINT FOR

00:48:42.946,00:48:46.917
PASSENGERS FROM MANY
DIRECTIONS.
HOW WE WOULD GET PEOPLE FROM

00:48:46.919,00:48:49.986
THAT SUPERSTATION TO THE
AIRPORT COULD HAPPEN IN A
NUMBER OF WAYS.

00:48:49.988,00:48:55.620
IT CERTAINLY COULD HAPPEN
WITH A DIRECT SPUR LINE OFF
THE LRT OR, DEPENDING ON THE

00:48:55.622,00:49:00.362
TIMING AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES,
IT COULD INITIALLY HAPPEN
WITH SOME TYPE OF PEOPLE

00:49:00.364,00:49:05.340
MOVER, BUT WE CERTAINLY SEE
INCREASING TRANSIT
CONNECTIONS TO THE AIRPORT

00:49:05.342,00:49:13.112
OVER TIME.
AS THEY CAN BE FACILITATED
AND THE NORTHEAST LINE, OF

00:49:13.114,00:49:20.784
COURSE, WE’RE WELL AWARE
THAT WITH THE — IF AN
AIRPORT TRAIL EXTENSION WENT

00:49:20.786,00:49:23.994
AHEAD, THAT IS ANOTHER
POSSIBILITY FOR TRANSIT FROM
THE EAST.

00:49:23.996,00:49:28.930
THE NORTHEAST LINE, AS YOU
KNOW, ACTUALLY SWINGS AROUND
A BIT TO THE NORTH, ALTHOUGH

00:49:28.932,00:49:33.939
IT’S CALLED THE NORTHEAST
LINE, IT ACTUALLY SWINGS
WEST, WEST EVENTUALLY, AND

00:49:33.941,00:49:37.371
ACTUALLY ENDS UP ALMOST
DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE
AIRPORT INSTEAD OF EAST OF

00:49:37.373,00:49:41.245
THE AIRPORT SO THAT WOULD BE
ANOTHER FUTURE POSSIBILITY.
BUT THE OFFICIAL PLAN, IF I

00:49:41.247,00:49:49.683
CAN CALL IT THAT, AS IT
STANDS TODAY, WOULD BE TO
TIE INTO LRT FROM THE FUTURE

00:49:49.685,00:49:52.379
NORTH-CENTRAL LINE DIRECTLY
TO THE WEST OF THE AIRPORT.
>> OKAY.

00:49:52.381,00:49:58.066
SO JUST TO SUM UP YOUR
COMMENTS, THEN, YOU ARE
TAKING YOUR CUES FROM THE

00:49:58.068,00:50:03.936
CITY’S LONG RANGE TRANSIT
PLANNING, SIGNIFICANT LRT
TRANSIT CONNECTION TO THE

00:50:03.938,00:50:07.105
AIRPORT IS MORE OF A
LONG-TERM PROPOSITION,
ALTHOUGH YOU DO ACKNOWLEDGE

00:50:07.107,00:50:14.145
THAT THE AIRPORT TUNNEL DOES
PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
CONNECT THE NORTHEAST LRT

00:50:14.147,00:50:20.551
AND PERHAPS A SHORTER
FASHION IF THE CITY WERE TO
PURSUE THAT.

00:50:20.553,00:50:24.317
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE
AN OPTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE

00:50:24.319,00:50:29.154
GEOMETRY OF THE TUNNEL WAS
THAT IT WAS SIZED TO INCLUDE
POTENTIAL FUTURE LRT LEG,

00:50:29.156,00:50:36.555
YES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN

00:50:36.557,00:50:39.894
CARRA.
ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.

00:50:39.896,00:50:45.728
I’M GOING TO GET AWAY FROM
THE TUNNEL AND ASK YOU A
QUESTION ABOUT TAXIS.

00:50:45.730,00:50:55.822
IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
THE AIRPORT LIMITS THE SIZE
OF OR REQUIRES A LARGE-SIZED

00:50:55.824,00:51:02.722
TRUNK FOR TAXICABS AND SO
THAT’S WHY WE’RE NOT SEEING
A LOT OF HYBRID PRIUS TYPE,

00:51:02.724,00:51:06.323
FOR EXAMPLE, MODELS OF
VEHICLES SERVING THE
AIRPORT.

00:51:06.325,00:51:12.026
IS THAT THE CASE?
>> WE HAVE SOME MINIMUM
STANDARDS, I APOLOGIZE, I

00:51:12.028,00:51:17.264
DIDN’T BRING THEM WITH ME
THIS MORNING, AND CERTAINLY
WE HAVE TO ENSURE, I MEAN,

00:51:17.266,00:51:21.759
ONE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES
OF TAXI SERVICE FROM THE
AIRPORT AND OBVIOUSLY

00:51:21.761,00:51:26.954
INVOLVES USUALLY A LOT OF
LUGGAGE AND SO TO MAKE SURE
OUR CUSTOMERS ARE SERVED

00:51:26.956,00:51:29.592
PROPERLY, THEY HAVE TO BE
ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT
LUGGAGE.

00:51:29.594,00:51:38.171
HAVING SAID THAT, I CAN
RECALL, FROM MEMORY, THAT WE
DO ALLOW AND EVEN ENCOURAGE

00:51:38.173,00:51:41.874
SOME ALTERNATIVE-FUEL
VEHICLES AT THE AIRPORT,
VEHICLES LIKE PRIUS.

00:51:41.876,00:51:46.043
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT
OBVIOUSLY AIRPORT CUSTOMERS
ARE SERVED BUT I THINK

00:51:46.045,00:51:50.920
THAT’S NOT INCOMPATIBLE AS
TIME GOES ON WITH SUSTAIN
ABLE INITIATIVES THAT HAPPEN

00:51:50.922,00:51:56.484
IN VARIOUS AREAS SUCH AS
TAXIS.
>> INCOMPATIBLE, I’M JUST

00:51:56.486,00:52:03.027
WONDERING IF YOUR POLICIES
ARE IMPEDING THE PROGRESS.
WE’RE SEEING HYBRIDS BEING

00:52:03.029,00:52:09.801
ADOPTED WIDELY BY TAXI
INDUSTRY IN OTHER CITIES.
AND YET CALGARY HAS VERY FEW,

00:52:09.803,00:52:13.734
HANDFUL REALLY.
MAYBE THERE’S MORE LATELY.
>> I –

00:52:13.736,00:52:17.501
>> I WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU
COULD DOUBLE-CHECK YOUR
POLICIES TO ENSURE THAT

00:52:17.503,00:52:21.675
WE’RE NOT IMPEDING THE
PROGRESS.
>> ABSOLUTELY I’D BE HAPPY

00:52:21.677,00:52:25.313
TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT.
BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON’T
THINK WE’RE IMPEDING

00:52:25.315,00:52:27.914
ANYTHING.
>> MAYBE YOU’RE BEING USED
AS AN EXCUSE.

00:52:27.916,00:52:33.157
I DON’T SEE OUR LUGGAGE ANY
BIGGER IN CALGARY THAN IT IS
IN VANCOUVER, FOR EXAMPLE.

00:52:33.159,00:52:36.497
MAYBE IT’S COLDER HERE SO
WE’RE PACKING MORE, I DON’T
KNOW.

00:52:36.499,00:52:40.538
>> I CAN’T SAY.
ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOTED
TRAVELLING OCCASIONALLY WITH

00:52:40.540,00:52:45.348
COLLEAGUES TO OTHER CITIES
THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS TWO
OF US, WE HAD TO SPLIT UP

00:52:45.350,00:52:49.382
AND TAKE TWO CABS BECAUSE
THEY COULDN’T TAKE OUR
LUGGAGE AND WHAT I WOULD

00:52:49.384,00:52:53.842
POINT OUT TO YOU IN THAT
CIRCUMSTANCE, ALTHOUGH IT
MAY APPEAR, YOU SEE,

00:52:53.844,00:52:59.987
INITIALLY THAT THERE’S A
TOTAL ENERGY SAVING BY A
VERY SMALL CAR, IN FACT,

00:52:59.989,00:53:05.624
WHEN YOU SEE SMALL PARTIES
EVEN HAVING TO SPLIT UP AND
TAKE MULTIPLE VEHICLES, I

00:53:05.626,00:53:09.930
THINK YOU WOULD — YOU WILL
NOTICE THAT THE CUMULATIVE
EFFECT OF THAT MAY WELL BE

00:53:09.932,00:53:14.067
VERY, VERY NEGATIVE BUT
THAT’S JUST PERCEPTION.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

00:53:14.069,00:53:16.738
NEXT TIME YOU COME, NEXT
YEAR, I’LL ASK YOU THE SAME
QUESTION.

00:53:16.740,00:53:21.746
>> I’LL WRITE IT DOWN.
>> EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.

00:53:21.748,00:53:25.980
>> HOPEFULLY WE GET TO CHAT
MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR,
MR. ATKINSON, THOUGH THESE

00:53:25.982,00:53:30.744
DAYS, YOU MIGHT PREFER IF WE
ONLY GOT TO TALK ONCE A
YEAR.

00:53:30.746,00:53:34.375
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MR. ATKINSON, THANK YOU FOR

00:53:34.377,00:53:38.915
BEING HERE.
WELL, I HAVE, OTHER THAN
SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE

00:53:38.917,00:53:44.082
TUNNEL, WHICH MOST OF THOSE
QUESTIONS WERE ADDRESSED BY
ALDERMAN STEVENSON, I DO

00:53:44.084,00:53:51.727
HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL
CONCERNS AND I ATTENDED
SEVERAL OPEN HOUSES THAT

00:53:51.729,00:53:57.398
WERE HELD OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY BASICALLY
EXPLAINING HOW THIS NEW

00:53:57.400,00:54:03.469
RUNWAY MAY IMPACT THE
SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
AND SO SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS

00:54:03.471,00:54:09.612
THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE
PAST HAD TO DO WITH THE
EXISTENCE OF THE AIRPORT FOR

00:54:09.614,00:54:13.111
SOME TIME IN SOME CASES EVEN
BEFORE SOME OF THE
COMMUNITIES WERE FULLY BUILT

00:54:13.113,00:54:19.697
OUT.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE,
SOME OF THE AADJACENT

00:54:19.699,00:54:24.424
COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES
THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY THIS
NEW RUNWAY AREN’T CURRENTLY

00:54:24.426,00:54:30.294
IN EXISTENCE.
NOW, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS
I HAD HAD TO DO WITH THE NEF

00:54:30.296,00:54:36.058
CONTOURS AND HOW THOSE HAD
BEEN ASSESSED FOR SOME TIME
NOW AND THAT YOU WERE BOUND

00:54:36.060,00:54:42.901
TO ABIDE BY THEM.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED
AT SOME OF THE OPEN HOUSES

00:54:42.903,00:54:50.381
WAS HAVE THE ANY FEF
CONTOURS RELATIVE TO THIS
NEW RUNWAY DON’T SEEM TO BE,

00:54:50.383,00:54:57.420
I GUESS, EQUIVALENT TO THE
NEF CONTOURS THAT ARE
ALLOCATED TO THE EXISTING

00:54:57.422,00:55:02.854
RUNWAY.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE
NEF CONTOURS SEEM TO EXTEND

00:55:02.856,00:55:07.297
MUCH FURTHER SOUTH
PROPORTIONATELY ON THE OLD
RUNWAY AS COMPARED TO THE

00:55:07.299,00:55:11.936
NEW RUNWAY SO THERE’S SOME
CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE
ADJACENT COMMUNITIES THAT

00:55:11.938,00:55:16.399
IT’S BETTER TO ASK FOR
FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION
AFTER THE FACT.

00:55:16.401,00:55:21.448
HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE
ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE IF
THOSE NEF CONTOURS AREN’T

00:55:21.450,00:55:26.253
MET?
>> RIGHT.
SO, YES, YOUR OBSERVATION IS

00:55:26.255,00:55:32.158
QUITE CORRECT.
THESE CONTOURS, OF COURSE,
JUST FOR EVERYONE IN THE

00:55:32.160,00:55:38.499
ROOM, WERE PUT IN PLACE IN
1979 AS A PROVINCIAL
REGULATION, ACTUALLY,

00:55:38.501,00:55:46.511
INITIATED, AS MOST OF YOU
KNOW, BY FORMER MAYOR AL
DOOUR WHEN HE WAS CITY

00:55:46.513,00:55:53.050
PLANNER AND THE EXISTING
CONTOUR OR THE CONTOUR ON
THE EXISTING RUNWAY 1634T

00:55:53.052,00:55:57.190
GOES MORE TO THE NORTH AND
SOUTH BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS
THE ARRIVAL-DEPARTURE

00:55:57.192,00:56:00.827
PROGRAM.
– AL DUERR.
AS PROJECTED.

00:56:00.829,00:56:09.604
WHEREAS THE FUTURE RUNWAY IS
DESIGNED WHAT I’LL CALL 3-4
RIGHT WILL BE MORE

00:56:09.606,00:56:12.869
PREDOMINANTLY A DEPARTURE
RUNWAY.
THAT’S WHY THE CONTOURS GO

00:56:12.871,00:56:16.271
MUCH FURTHER TO THE NORTH
THAN THEY DO TO THE SOUTH.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN THERE

00:56:16.273,00:56:20.744
WON’T BE SOME ACTIVITY BUT
THESE CONTOURS ARE
PREDICATED ON A NUMBER OF

00:56:20.746,00:56:26.114
INPUT FACTORS, ONE OF WHICH,
OF COURSE, IS VERY
SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY

00:56:26.116,00:56:31.850
THE BALANCE BETWEEN ARRIVALS
AND DEPARTURES.
>> SO DEPARTURES AND SO WHAT

00:56:31.852,00:56:36.324
I’M ASSUMING BY THAT, IT
WILL BE NORTHBOUND
PREDOMINANTLY AS THEY’RE

00:56:36.326,00:56:39.464
TAKING OFF?
>> THERE WILL BE MORE
NORTHBOUND DEPARTURES TO THE

00:56:39.466,00:56:43.026
NORTH.
OUR WINDS ARE PRIMARILY
NORTH-NORTHWEST, PROBABLY AS

00:56:43.028,00:56:48.429
YOU KNOW, AND THAT’S WHY THE
RUNWAYS ARE SITUATED THAT
WAY AND THAT’S WHY THE

00:56:48.431,00:56:52.296
CONTOURS RUN THAT WAY.
>> IT’S NOT GOING TO BE USED
THAT MUCH MAYBE FOR

00:56:52.298,00:56:54.801
ARRIVALS.
>> IT’S A RELATIVE BALANCE
AND THAT GENERATES THE

00:56:54.803,00:57:00.939
CONTOURS.
>> SO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT
THAT THOSE NEF CONTOURS,

00:57:00.941,00:57:04.551
YOU’LL MEET THOSE?
>> YOU KNOW, THE PARTIES
INVOLVED IN THIS ARE OF

00:57:04.553,00:57:08.882
COURSE THE AIRLINES
THEMSELVES, THERE’S AIRPORT
AUTHORITIES, THERE’S NAC

00:57:08.884,00:57:12.487
CANADA AND THERE’S
COMMUNITIES, AND OUR
EXPERIENCES, WE’RE ALL GOING

00:57:12.489,00:57:19.486
TO WORK TOGETHER TO PLOT THE
NEW AIR SPACE ACTIVITY.
AIR SPACE MANAGEMENT, AS YOU

00:57:19.488,00:57:25.687
WOULD APPRECIATE, IS VERY
COMPLEX MATTER, PARTICULARLY
ACTUALLY IN CALGARY BECAUSE

00:57:25.689,00:57:31.464
OF THE VOLUME OF OUR
ACTIVITY AND AS THE NEW
RUNWAY IS PUT INTO SERVICE,

00:57:31.466,00:57:35.401
NAV CANADA WILL PUT IN NEW
AIR SPACE MANAGEMENT
PROCEDURES SO WE’RE WORKING

00:57:35.403,00:57:38.400
CLOSE WITH THEM.
WE’RE VERY AWARE OF THE
CONTOURS AND WE WILL WORK

00:57:38.402,00:57:42.911
TOGETHER WITH ALL PARTIES TO
OBVIOUSLY MINIMIZE ANY
IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITIES.

00:57:42.913,00:57:48.549
>> OKA
SO ON THAT POINT, CURRENTLY
IT’S BEEN PREDOMINANTLY

00:57:48.551,00:57:52.854
MAYLEN HEIGHTS, VISTA
HEIGHTS, BELFAST IMPACTED BY
THESE NEF CONTOURS.

00:57:52.856,00:57:58.563
WITH THE NEW RUNWAY, SOME OF
THE COMMUNITIES THAT MAY
POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED BY

00:57:58.565,00:58:05.325
THIS WOULD BE SOME
COMMUNITIES SUCH AS ALBERT
PARK RADISSON HEIGHTS SO YOU

00:58:05.327,00:58:07.759
ENVOICE ADDING RESOURCES
SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS
NOISE?

00:58:07.761,00:58:12.903
>> YES, WE’RE ACTUALLY, AND
AGAIN, I DIDN’T BRING THE
DETAILS WITH ME THIS MORNING,

00:58:12.905,00:58:20.147
BUT WE’RE — WE HAVE QUITE
AN EXTENSIVE SERIES OF NOISE
MONITOR THROUGHOUT THE

00:58:20.149,00:58:23.548
COMMUNITIES IN CALGARY
TODAY.
AND WE’RE ACTUALLY IN THE

00:58:23.550,00:58:28.183
PROCESS, AND I MAY BE BEHIND
THE TIMES, THEY MAY EVEN BE
IN THE PROCESS OF BEING

00:58:28.185,00:58:31.419
INSTALLED NOW, I’M
INSTALLING A WHOLE NEW
SERIES OF SENSORS THAT WILL

00:58:31.421,00:58:37.526
BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW
RUNWAY, SO WE’LL CONTINUE TO
CAPTURE THE FULL

00:58:37.528,00:58:41.802
KALEIDOSCOPE OF ACTIVITY OUT
THERE AND BE ABLE TO MONITOR
THAT AND ADDRESS CONCERNS.

00:58:41.804,00:58:45.203
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT,
MR. ATKINSON.
I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO

00:58:45.205,00:58:48.243
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU
SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THE ISSUES AS ADDRESSED

00:58:48.245,00:58:53.139
BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

00:58:53.141,00:58:58.111
>> ALDERMAN, CHABOT, THANK
YOU.
I’M TRYING TO RESIST THE

00:58:58.113,00:59:02.516
URGE SAYING I LIVE DUE EAST,
SO HOW DO THE CONTOURS
AFFECT ME?

00:59:02.518,00:59:05.890
DON’T WORRY, I WON’T,
MR. ATKINSON.
ALDERMAN MAR.

00:59:05.892,00:59:10.501
>> AND YET YOU JUST DID.
THANK YOU.
YOUR WORSHIP.

00:59:10.503,00:59:14.399
I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS.
NOW, IN YOUR PRESENTATION,

00:59:14.401,00:59:21.466
WHICH I’M HOLDING HERE, THE
16 PAGES, AND YOU COME TO US
EVERY YEAR, DO YOU NOT?

00:59:21.468,00:59:23.166
>> I’M SORRY, YOU’RE
REFERRING TO THIS
PRESENTATION?

00:59:23.168,00:59:28.801
>> YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> WE’VE BEEN HERE EVERY
YEAR SINCE 19 — APRIL 1993.

00:59:28.803,00:59:33.274
>> APRIL 1993.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY QUITE A
LONG TIME, WHEN YOU THINK

00:59:33.276,00:59:37.838
ABOUT IT.
SO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
HOW DO YOU VIEW YOURSELF IN

00:59:37.840,00:59:41.807
RELATIONSHIP TO THE CITY OF
CALGARY?
ARE YOU PARTNERS WITH US?

00:59:41.809,00:59:46.273
>> YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I
OBVIOUSLY TALK TO MY
COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE

00:59:46.275,00:59:51.741
COUNTRY AND I’VE BEEN IN THE
BUSINESS FOR 34 YEARS, I’VE
BEEN IN CALGARY 29 YEARS, I

00:59:51.743,00:59:57.684
HAVE A PRETTY GOOD
PERSPECTIVE ON BOTH THE
RELATIONSHIP HERE IN CALGARY

00:59:57.686,01:00:03.616
AND THE RELATIONSHIPS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY AND BECAUSE OF
THAT, I CAN SAY TO YOU THAT

01:00:03.618,01:00:08.052
MY BELIEF IS THAT THE
RELATIONSHIP OVER THE PAST
20 YEARS BETWEEN THE CALGARY

01:00:08.054,01:00:12.189
AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND THE
CITY OF CALGARY HAS BEEN THE
FINEST IN CANADA.

01:00:12.191,01:00:16.762
>> OKAY.
THAT’S GOOD TO HEAR.
>> TREMENDOUSLY POSITIVE.

01:00:16.764,01:00:23.311
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY.
ON A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES,
EVERYTHING FROM IMPROVED AIR

01:00:23.313,01:00:28.083
SERVICE WHERE PREVIOUS
MAYORS HAVE COME WITH US AND
SUPPORTED OUR PRESENTATIONS

01:00:28.085,01:00:36.493
IN FAR-FLUNG AREAS OF THE
WORLD TO TRANSIT ISSUES TO
PLANNING ISSUES, A WHOLE

01:00:36.495,01:00:42.439
RANGE OF ISSUES THAT WE’VE
WORKED VERY COOPERATIVELY ON,
AND OUR VIEW IS IT’S BEEN A

01:00:42.441,01:00:45.409
TREMENDOUSLY-POSITIVE AND
PRODUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP OVER
THOSE 20 YEARS.

01:00:45.411,01:00:52.341
>> AND THE CALGARY AIRPORT,
AS AN AIRPORT ITSELF, SERVES
MORE THAN JUST THE CITIZENS

01:00:52.343,01:00:56.679
OF CALGARY, DOESN’T IT?
IT’S ACTUALLY A REGIONAL
AIRPORT, IN REALITY.

01:00:56.681,01:01:01.076
>> YES, OUR TRADING REGION,
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL
THAT, CERTAINLY EXTENDS INTO

01:01:01.078,01:01:05.014
SASKATCHEWAN.
VERY DIRECTLY INTO
SASKATCHEWAN, INTO BRITISH

01:01:05.016,01:01:11.327
COLUMBIA, THE NORTH, AND OF
COURSE BECAUSE WE DO PICK UP,
AS I MENTION, CONNECTING

01:01:11.329,01:01:16.367
TRAFFIC, SOME WILL HAVE
CONNECTING TRAFFIC FROM
EASTERN UNITED STATES, FROM

01:01:16.369,01:01:21.131
OTHER PLACES.
>> IF YOU LIVED IN MONTANA,
I THINK WE’RE CLOSER THAN

01:01:21.133,01:01:24.572
OTHER CITIES IN THE UNITED
STATES FROM AN INTERNATIONAL
PERSPECTIVE.

01:01:24.574,01:01:31.315
SO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS
PROBABLY, WHAT, A
MILLION-AND-A-HALF PEOPLE IN

01:01:31.317,01:01:34.018
IT’S TRADING AREA — NOT THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY, THE
AIRPORT.

01:01:34.020,01:01:39.021
SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE,
WOULDN’T IT?
>> WELL, TRADING AREA FOR AN

01:01:39.023,01:01:42.787
AIRPORT IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT TO DEFINE THAN
OTHERS BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS

01:01:42.789,01:01:47.260
I MENTION ABOUT 30% OF OUR
TRAFFIC AT CALGARY
INTERNATIONAL IS CONNECTING

01:01:47.262,01:01:49.732
TRAFFIC, IT’S COMING FROM
SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GOING
SOMEWHERE ELSE.

01:01:49.734,01:01:54.371
>> RIGHT, OKAY.
AND THAT WOULD BE
INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL

01:01:54.373,01:01:58.176

>> TRANSBORDER TO THE UNITED
STATES, INTERNATIONAL OR

01:01:58.178,01:02:01.420
DOMESTICALLY WITHIN CANADA,
THERE’S QUITE A BIT OF
CONNECTING ACTIVITY WHICH

01:02:01.422,01:02:04.390
TAKES PLACE DOMESTICALLY
JUST WITHIN CANADA.
>> OKAY.

01:02:04.392,01:02:07.159
AND YOU HAVE BEEN CEO FOR
HOW LONG?
>> TEN YEARS.

01:02:07.161,01:02:12.025
>> FOR TEN YEARS.
SO YOU’RE ESSENTIALLY THE
HEAD GUY FOR THE CALGARY

01:02:12.027,01:02:16.337
AIRPORT AUTHORITY REPORTING
TO THE BOARD OF THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY, IS THAT RIGHT?

01:02:16.339,01:02:21.971
>> AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
>> YES, OKAY.
WE’RE JUST LOOKING FOR A

01:02:21.973,01:02:26.408
LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY.
WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
OVERALL VISION OF THE

01:02:26.410,01:02:31.043
AIRPORT AUTHORITY?
IS IT THE BOARD OR IS IT THE
ADMINISTRATION OF WHICH YOU

01:02:31.045,01:02:36.685
ARE THE HEAD?
>> THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
ARE — THEIR

01:02:36.687,01:02:40.184
RESPONSIBILITIES ARE
ACTUALLY VERY WELL DEFINED
IN THE REGIONAL AIRPORT

01:02:40.186,01:02:45.084
AUTHORITIES ACT AND IN THE
EVEN MORE EXTENSIVE
REGULATIONS AND CERTAINLY

01:02:45.086,01:02:51.156
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS
OVERALL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
THE DIRECTION OF THE

01:02:51.158,01:02:54.156
CORPORATION AND MANAGEMENT
RESPONSE TO THAT BOARD OF
DIRECTORS.

01:02:54.158,01:02:56.653
>> OKAY.
BECAUSE THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY HAS DONE SOME

01:02:56.655,01:02:59.758
REALLY, REALLY INNOVATIVE
THINGS OVER THE LAST LITTLE
WHILE.

01:02:59.760,01:03:07.937
I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW MANY
TIMES I’VE USED THE MOBILE
TELEPHONE CALLING PARK AND

01:03:07.939,01:03:11.437
WAITING AREA, I THINK THAT’S
FANTASTIC, IT REALLY IS,
RATHER THAN PAYING FOR

01:03:11.439,01:03:17.097
PARKING, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN
NOW WAIT, SAY, HEY, BY THE
WAY, I’M AT GATE “C” AND NIP

01:03:17.099,01:03:22.303
OVER AND PICK SOMEBODY UP.
THAT REALLY HELPS IN TERMS
OF MOBILITY AND ALLOWING

01:03:22.305,01:03:26.409
PEOPLE TO NOT SIT THERE AND
WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT
PAYING FOR PARKING.

01:03:26.411,01:03:30.783
THAT’S BEEN REALLY
TREMENDOUS.
I KNOW THAT YOU’RE MAKING

01:03:30.785,01:03:34.691
STRIDES IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL
WAY TO TRY AND MAKE THE
BUILDINGS MORE EFFICIENT,

01:03:34.693,01:03:39.501
TRY TO DO MORE RECYCLING AND
THINGS LIKE THAT AND THAT
WAS VERY, VERY HANDY

01:03:39.503,01:03:46.304
INFORMATION IN THIS 16 PAGES
THAT YOU GAVE US SO WE
APPRECIATE THAT.

01:03:46.306,01:03:52.807
MY QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE
ALSO, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS, AN ISSUE THAT WE

01:03:52.809,01:03:56.983
SHARE WITH THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY REGARDING THE
TUNNEL.

01:03:56.985,01:04:01.758
BUT I FOUND IT STRANGE THAT
IT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THIS
AT ALL.

01:04:01.760,01:04:05.560
GIVEN THAT IT IS SOMETHING
THAT HAS BEEN WIDELY
REPORTED ON IN THE MEDIA,

01:04:05.562,01:04:10.602
THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
ARE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING
WITH THE AIRPORT WITH, AND

01:04:10.604,01:04:15.739
THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
RATHER, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN
TO ME WHY YOU DIDN’T MENTION

01:04:15.741,01:04:20.177
IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AT
ALL?
>> ABSOLUTELY.

01:04:20.179,01:04:25.647
OUR APPROACH IN THIS LATEST
ROUND, AND AGAIN, WE’VE BEEN
INVOLVED IN THESE

01:04:25.649,01:04:29.552
DISCUSSIONS, A SERIES OF
DISCUSSIONS, AS YOU KNOW,
SINCE 2003.

01:04:29.554,01:04:33.578
BUT IN THE LATEST ROUND,
WHICH I GUESS GOES BACK
ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS,

01:04:33.580,01:04:39.250
IT WAS OUR CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING AS THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY THAT WE WOULD

01:04:39.252,01:04:43.782
ENGAGE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS
IN GOOD FAITH AND DIRECTLY
WITH THE CITY.

01:04:43.784,01:04:47.918
IT’S NOT OUR APPROACH AND
NEVER WILL BE TO NEGOTIATE
THROUGH THE MEDIA.

01:04:47.920,01:04:51.348
OTHERS MAY CHOOSE THAT PATH
BUT THAT’S NOT OUR PATH.
SO THAT’S WHY.

01:04:51.350,01:04:56.801
>> OKAY.
AND THAT’S A FAIR QUESTION.
SORRY, FAIR COMMENT.

01:04:56.803,01:05:03.278
SO AT SOME POINT ALSO, WE
HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY IN A COST

01:05:03.280,01:05:06.247
SHARE FOR THE PROPOSED
TUNNEL.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?

01:05:06.249,01:05:12.354
>> I’M NOT SURE.
COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?
>> WELL, DID WE NOT HAVE A

01:05:12.356,01:05:17.469
LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING OR A
MEMORANDUM BETWEEN THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND THE

01:05:17.471,01:05:22.338
CITY OF CALGARY THAT THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY WOULD
VENTURE INTO A COST SHARE ON

01:05:22.340,01:05:27.813
ANY PROPOSED TIME?
>> YOU’RE REFERRING, YES,
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION, I

01:05:27.815,01:05:33.781
GUESS, PREVIOUS COUNCIL
ADMINISTRATION, WE HAD WHAT
I BELIEVE WAS CALLED A

01:05:33.783,01:05:37.410
MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH
THE CITY.
WE ENTERED INTO THAT VERY

01:05:37.412,01:05:44.585
PARTICULARLY FOR A PERIOD OF
APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS
WHERE THE CITY UNDERTOOK TO

01:05:44.587,01:05:48.588
UNDERTAKE SOME VERY FOCUSED
DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND

01:05:48.590,01:05:53.389
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT
THAT TIME AND OF COURSE I’M
QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE

01:05:53.391,01:05:59.063
DETAILS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
AND OF COURSE AS YOU PERHAPS
KNOW YOU MAY BE VERY

01:05:59.065,01:06:03.565
FAMILIAR WITH IT YOURSELF,
IT BROUGHT THAT PERIOD OF
ACTIVITY, THOSE COVENANTS TO

01:06:03.567,01:06:08.198
A CLOSE VERY SPECIFICALLY AT
THE CONCLUSION OF THAT
PERIOD.

01:06:08.200,01:06:14.203
>> RIGHT.
BUT AT THE TIME, THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY WAS VIEWING THIS

01:06:14.205,01:06:18.682
AS A PARTNERSHIP.
IN A COST-SHARING
ARRANGEMENT.

01:06:18.684,01:06:25.601
>> AT THE TIME, THE AIRPORT
AUTHORITY RESPONDED TO THE
REQUESTS OF THE CITY AT THAT

01:06:25.603,01:06:32.973
TIME TO UNDERTAKE A VERY I
WILL CALL IT HIGH-POWERED
AND INTENSIVE CAMPAIGN.

01:06:32.975,01:06:43.641
I GUESS THAT WAS ABOUT A
YEAR AGO, I’VE BEEN INVOLVED
TOO LONG TO REMEMBER, I

01:06:43.643,01:06:48.018
GUESS THAT WAS A YEAR AGO,
AND I GUESS IT WAS SO
INTENSIVE AND HAD A SPECIFIC

01:06:48.020,01:06:51.685
END DATE TO IT WAS THE
RECOGNITION THAT WITH THE
RUNWAY WHICH WAS UNDER

01:06:51.687,01:06:55.956
DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE WE’RE
ON THE SAME CONSTRUCTION
PATH FOR THE RUNWAY

01:06:55.958,01:07:08.405
SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH THAT
WE’RE ON IN 2003 SO I GUESS
THAT’S GOOD NEWS.

01:07:08.407,01:07:13.677
I BELIEVE THAT AGREEMENT WAS
TAKEN ON A FAST TRACK BASIS
RECOGNIZING OUR CONSTRUCTION

01:07:13.679,01:07:17.077
TIMETABLE AND THE
ADMINISTRATION OF THE DAY
VERY SPECIFICALLY I RECALL

01:07:17.079,01:07:24.012
FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT IN
THEIR EFFORTS TO SECURE
PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL FUNDING

01:07:24.014,01:07:27.389
THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO
WORK WITH THEM SO THAT’S WHY
WE DID.

01:07:27.391,01:07:38.274
>> OKAY.
AND SO UNDERSTANDING NOW THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND

01:07:38.276,01:07:43.346
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WILL
NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE
25-25-25-25 I GUESS, THE

01:07:43.348,01:07:47.087
AIRPORT AUTHORITY, ITS
POSITION IS THAT BECAUSE
THOSE OTHER PARTIES ARE NOT

01:07:47.089,01:07:49.758
INTERESTED, YOU’RE NOT
INTERESTED?
>> I SEE.

01:07:49.760,01:07:52.923
YOU MAY HAVE A
MISUNDERSTANDING.
WE HAVE NEVER SINCE

01:07:52.925,01:07:59.992
DISCUSSIONS BEGAN IN 2003
EVER BEEN PARTICIPATING IN
THE COST OF BUILDING THE

01:07:59.994,01:08:02.826
UNDERPASS.
THAT MAY BE A
MISUNDERSTANDING.

01:08:02.828,01:08:06.805
BUT NO.
>> THAT IS A
MISUNDERSTANDING APPARENTLY.

01:08:06.807,01:08:11.251
>> YES, I GUESS.
>> OKAY.
SO I’LL LEAVE THAT FOR A

01:08:11.253,01:08:15.149
MINUTE BECAUSE I DO HAVE
SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT
YOUR OTHER GROWTH PLANS.

01:08:15.151,01:08:18.863
AND WE WERE TALKING A MOMENT
AGO ABOUT THE VISION FOR THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY BECAUSE I

01:08:18.865,01:08:26.040
KNOW THAT THERE IS ALSO SOME
MAJOR INDUSTRIAL PLANS ABOUT
WHAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY

01:08:26.042,01:08:31.369
WOULD DO IN ITS GENERAL
SPHERE.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT AT

01:08:31.371,01:08:34.309
ALL OR NOT?
>> SORRY, COULD YOU BE JUST
A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IN

01:08:34.311,01:08:38.449
YOUR QUESTION?
>> WELL, THERE ARE FUTURE
TERMINAL EXPANSION, IS THERE

01:08:38.451,01:08:41.450
NOT?
>> PARDON ME?
>> IS THERE FUTURE TERMINAL

01:08:41.452,01:08:45.582
EXPANSION?
>> YES, THAT WOULD BE THE
1.43 BILLION IFP PROJECT

01:08:45.584,01:08:49.156
THAT I REFERRED TO IN MY
PRESENTATION, YES.
>> OKAY.

01:08:49.158,01:08:52.463
AND IS THERE ALSO SOME OTHER
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
THAT’S BEING PROPOSED OR

01:08:52.465,01:09:03.289
NOT?
>> WHEN YOU SAY “PROPOSED,”
AN AIRPORT IS AN ECONOMIC

01:09:03.291,01:09:06.682
ENAT THIS MOMENT.
MANY PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME
TO CALGARY, COMMENT WE HAVE

01:09:06.684,01:09:10.086
TWO AIRPORTS.
WE HAVE A VERY LARGE
INDUSTRIAL SECTOR, GENERAL

01:09:10.088,01:09:14.487
AVIATION SECTOR IN THE SOUTH
END, THAT AREA ITSELF
ACTUALLY IS BIGGER THAN SOME

01:09:14.489,01:09:17.397
OTHER AIRPORTS THAT
GENERALLY EXIST AT THE SOUTH
END OF THE AIRPORT WHICH

01:09:17.399,01:09:21.062
MANY OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL
AREAS GO BACK 40 OR 50
YEARS.

01:09:21.064,01:09:26.560
SOME OF THEM ARE MORE RECENT
BUT AN AIRPORT IS MORE THAN
JUST A TERMINAL BUILDING FOR

01:09:26.562,01:09:33.304
SURE.
IT’S A COMPLEX ECONOMIC
UNDERTAKING COMPRISED OF

01:09:33.306,01:09:38.280
MANY HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT
COMPANIES DOING DIFFERENT
THINGS RELATING TO AVIATION,

01:09:38.282,01:09:42.357
ABSOLUTELY.
>> OKAY.
SO THERE IS OVERALL A VISION

01:09:42.359,01:09:45.529
BEYOND WHAT YOU’RE
PRESENTING HERE FOR THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY BECAUSE

01:09:45.531,01:09:52.394
WE’RE A GROWING CITY, WE’RE
OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE MORE
FLIGHTS AND WHAT ALDERMAN

01:09:52.396,01:09:57.004
CARRA WAS SUGGESTING, OR WAS
IT ALDERMAN STEVENSON, ONE
OF MY COLLEAGUES WAS

01:09:57.006,01:10:02.908
SUGGESTING THAT IN THE
VERYENER FRUIT, WE’RE GOING
TO SEE — VERY NEAR FUTURE

01:10:02.910,01:10:08.509
WE’RE GOING TO BE A TREBLING
OF FLIGHTS INTO AND OUT OF
CALGARY AND GENERALLY

01:10:08.511,01:10:11.974
INCREASED TRAVEL.
>> I’M NOT SURE, OUR MASTER
PLAN, AND WE HAVE A

01:10:11.976,01:10:16.749
LONG-TERM MASTER PLAN,
CURRENTLY PROJECTS GROWTH OF
3% PER YEAR FOR CALGARY

01:10:16.751,01:10:20.388
WHICH IN OUR VIEW IS OUR
MEDIUM CASE AND REASONABLE
SCENARIO, YES.

01:10:20.390,01:10:28.734
>> 3%, ACCORDING TO YOUR –
THAT’S LIKE 450.000 PEOPLE,
ISN’T IT?

01:10:28.736,01:10:32.600
LIKE A 3% INCREASE IN –
>> LAST YEAR, YOU’RE
REFERRING TO OUR GROWTH LAST

01:10:32.602,01:10:34.769
YEAR?
>> YES.
>> BUT IF YOU’RE PROJECTING

01:10:34.771,01:10:39.803
THAT YOU’RE GOING TO
CONTINUE THAT GROWTH, ARE
YOU NOT?

01:10:39.805,01:10:45.572
>> AS I MENTIONED, OUR
MASTER PLAN ANTICIPATES A
MEDIUM CASE GROWTH SCENARIO

01:10:45.574,01:10:47.812
OF 3%, YES.
>> IT’S NOT A TRICK
QUESTION.

01:10:47.814,01:10:50.956
I’M JUST SAYING WE’RE
GROWING, WE KNOW WE’RE
GROWING AS A MUNICIPALITY AS

01:10:50.958,01:10:56.626
WELL AND –
>> WE GENERALLY — AIRPORTS,
IF I COULD, GENERALLY GO

01:10:56.628,01:11:01.898
WITH THE BROADER ECONOMY.
SO AS CALGARY PROSPERS,
WHICH WE EXPECT IT WILL IN

01:11:01.900,01:11:06.163
THE FUTURE, THAT DRIVES
HIGHER LEVELS OF ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY AND GENERALLY

01:11:06.165,01:11:13.338
SPEAKING, AROUND THE WORLD,
PASSENGER AIR TRAVEL IS VERY
CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH AND

01:11:13.340,01:11:17.113
PROPORTIONAL TO GROWTH IN
GENERAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY,
YES.

01:11:17.115,01:11:23.730
>> OKAY.
AND GETTING TO AND FROM THE
AIRPORT FOR CALGARIANS AND

01:11:23.732,01:11:28.328
VISITORS AND SO ON AND SO
FORTH, HOW CRITICAL IS THAT
TO YOU?

01:11:28.330,01:11:33.931
>> HOW CRITICAL IS THAT –
>> HOW IMPORTANT IS IT THAT
PEOPLE CAN — CUSTOMERS, IF

01:11:33.933,01:11:40.005
YOU WILL, CAN GET TO AND
FROM THE AIRPORT?
>> YES, WELL, I SUPPOSE THE

01:11:40.007,01:11:47.357
CORRECT ANSWER WOULD BE IT’S
VERY IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY.
I REMEMBER VERY SPECIFICALLY

01:11:47.359,01:11:52.785
ONE GENTLEMAN IN LETHBRIDGE
WHO WAS CONCERNED THAT HE
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO

01:11:52.787,01:11:55.890
CALGARY INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORT SO I HAD TO ASSURE
HIM THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE

01:11:55.892,01:12:00.624
THE CASE.
WE CAN’T BE IN BUSINESS, OF
COURSE, UNLESS PEOPLE CAN

01:12:00.626,01:12:06.268
GET TO WHERE THEY’RE GOING.
YEAH.
>> OKAY.

01:12:06.270,01:12:11.947
NOW, WE WERE — I’M GOING TO
GO BACK TO THE TUNNEL FOR A
MINUTE THEN.

01:12:11.949,01:12:18.179
YOUR POSITION, WHEN I SPOKE
TO YOU ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO,
YOU WERE ESSENTIALLY SAYING

01:12:18.181,01:12:23.549
THAT YOU DIDN’T OR THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY, IUPPOSE,
WAS ALMOST INDIFFERENT AS TO

01:12:23.551,01:12:26.976
WHETHER OR NOT CALGARY BUILT
THIS TUNNEL.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?

01:12:26.978,01:12:31.074
>> I’VE HAD TOO MANY
CONVERSATIONS TO APOLOGIZE
TO REMEMBER.

01:12:31.076,01:12:34.008
>> I IMAGINE.
I REMEMBER IT QUITE
DISTINCTLY, ACTUALLY.

01:12:34.010,01:12:43.815
>> YES, I’M SURE YOU DO.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR VIEW
ON THE UNDERPASS, DID I GET

01:12:43.817,01:12:47.308
THAT CORRECT — WHEN IN
ROME.
>> UNDERPASS, TUNNEL.

01:12:47.310,01:12:51.919
>> — HAS REALLY BEEN NO
DIFFERENT OVER THE PAST
EIGHT YEARS, I GUESS, THAT

01:12:51.921,01:12:56.783
IT’S BEEN.
THE CITY BROUGHT IT FORWARD
TO US, I BELIEVEN 2003

01:12:56.785,01:13:01.124
DURING SOME DETAILED
DISCUSSIONS AND IDENTIFIED
THAT IT WOULD BE A DESIRABLE

01:13:01.126,01:13:06.597
PART OF THEIR LONG-TERM
EAST-WEST ROAD NETWORK.
WE LOOKED AT IT, AND SAID

01:13:06.599,01:13:13.000
THAT WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO
PERMIT THAT EXTENSION AND
TUNNEL ACROSS OUR AIRPORT

01:13:13.002,01:13:17.006
LAND AND THAT’S WHY WE PUT
IT IN OUR MASTER PLAN AND OF
COURSE THAT’S WHY WE’VE HAD,

01:13:17.008,01:13:23.623
I GUESS, EIGHT YEARS OR
SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OF
DISCUSSION THROUGH MANY

01:13:23.625,01:13:30.861
FACES OF THIS MATTER OVER
THE YEARS.
>> RIGHT.

01:13:30.863,01:13:36.047
BUT YOUR OPINION, WHICH
WE’VE HEARD IN THE MEDIA AND
SO ON, MAYBE YOU CAN CLEAR

01:13:36.049,01:13:42.326
THE AIR, ACTUALLY.
IS IT TRUE THAT YOU DO NOT
BELIEVE THAT THE TUNNEL OR

01:13:42.328,01:13:46.393
UNDERPASS, WHATEVER YOU LIKE
TO CALL IT, IS NECESSARY FOR
THE OPERATION?

01:13:46.395,01:13:53.558
>> YES, YOU SEE — THE EAST
EXTENSION OF AIRPORT TRAIL
AND THE TUNNEL IS RELATED TO

01:13:53.560,01:13:57.554
THE CITY’S ROAD NETWORK,
THEIR GRID SYSTEM.
>> IS IT ALSO NOT –

01:13:57.556,01:14:01.376
>> IF I COULD JUST –
>> — COMPLIMENTARY TO YOUR
GROWTH PLAN?

01:14:01.378,01:14:06.712
>> I’LL JUST FINISH THAT.
SO YOUR QUESTION WAS HOW DO
WE FEEL ABOUT THAT AND

01:14:06.714,01:14:10.611
FRANKLY WE’RE NOT IN A
POSITION TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THAT’S THE RIGHT

01:14:10.613,01:14:16.783
PRIORITY FOR THE CITY.
ONLY THE CITY CAN DETERMINE
WHETHER THAT PARTICULAR

01:14:16.785,01:14:21.328
PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE
MAKES SENSE FROM A
COST/BENEFIT POINT OF VIEW,

01:14:21.330,01:15:09.115
NOT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.
( PLEASE STAND BY )
WHAT I CAN TELLING YOU IS THAT

01:15:09.117,01:15:12.989
FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY
POINT OF VIEW AND IN TERMS OF
ACT SELLS TO THE TERMINAL,

01:15:12.991,01:15:18.421
RIGHT, THE AIRPORT IS 5,000
ACRES SO SOME PEOPLE ACCESS
OTHER PARTS OF THE AIRPORT

01:15:18.423,01:15:22.222
WHICH OF COURSE ARE ACCESSED
THROUGH OTHER ROUTES FWHU
TERMS OF ACCESS TO THE

01:15:22.224,01:15:29.332
TERMINAL, WE’RE VERY CONFIDENT
THAT THE ACCESS WE HAVE TODAY,
TODAY AS I STAND HERE, IS

01:15:29.334,01:15:33.605
QUITE GOOD.
AND ADEQUATE IN THE LONG TERM
AND WOULD SERVE OUR NEEDS, YES.

01:15:33.607,01:15:38.505
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> YES AND NO.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK AT THE

01:15:38.507,01:15:43.638
AIRPORT, APPROXIMATELY?
>> YES, WE’RE UPDATING OUR
ECONOMIC SURVEY THIS YEAR.

01:15:43.640,01:15:47.271
ACTUALLY WE DO IT EVERY THREE
YEARS.
THE LAST TIME WE DID A SURVEY,

01:15:47.273,01:15:51.309
THERE WERE 15.000 PEOPLE
APPROXIMATELY ON SITE.
YOU HAVE TO APPRECIATE OF

01:15:51.311,01:15:55.149
COURSE AS I MENTIONED WE
OPERATE ALMOST TWO AIRPORTS
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ON THE

01:15:55.151,01:15:59.249
SOUTH SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, THE
EAST SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE.
I DON’T HAVE THE BREAK DOWN

01:15:59.251,01:16:04.385
WITH ME THIS MORNING HOW MANY
ARE IN EACH PARTICULAR
QUADRANT BUT THAT WAS THE

01:16:04.387,01:16:09.523
APPROXIMATE NUMBER IN TOTAL ON
THE 5,000 ACRES 234 THE
VARIOUS DIFFERENT ECONOMIC

01:16:09.525,01:16:13.328
ZONES AS WE CALL THEM.
>> OKAY.
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

01:16:13.330,01:16:19.443
ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WOULD YOU SAY SINCE THE

01:16:19.445,01:16:24.512
CLOSING OF BARLOW TRASHLGS HAS
THE TRAFFIC SITUATION UP IN
THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AREA

01:16:24.514,01:16:32.253
IMPROVED OR NOT?
>> YES, REALLY, WHEN YOU TALK
TRAFFIC, THIS WOULD BE –

01:16:32.255,01:16:36.156
YOU WOULD APPRECIATE THIS,
IT’S VERY SIMILAR TO THE CITY
AT LARGE, YOU HAVE TO TALK

01:16:36.158,01:16:45.296
PEAK TIMES, YOU SEE.
AND THE SITUATION WAS THAT IN
PEAK TIMES, ROUGHLY

01:16:45.298,01:16:49.397
THREE-QUARTERS OF THE TRAFFIC
THROUGH OUR MAIN INTERSECTION
WAS NOT ACTUALLY COMING TO THE

01:16:49.399,01:16:55.431
TERMINAL, IT WAS GOING
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT TRAFFIC

01:16:55.433,01:17:00.978
OBVIOUSLY HAS FOUND OTHER
ROUTES.
THE CLOSURE — AND I WANT DO

01:17:00.980,01:17:05.421
TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
COMPLIMENT ACTUALLY THE CITY
ADMINISTRATION, THEY WORKED

01:17:05.423,01:17:10.932
VERY CLOSELY WITH US OVER MANY,
MANY MONTHS.
IT WAS A VERY, VERY WELL

01:17:10.934,01:17:16.367
PLANNED AND EXECUTED STRATEGY
AND WE COULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT
WITHOUT THE CLOSE COOPERATION.

01:17:16.369,01:17:27.848
CITY OF CALGARY.
BUT IT’S GONE VERY WELL.
ACCESS IS GOOD AND DID I MISS

01:17:27.850,01:17:31.916
YOUR QUESTION?
>> NO, NO.
THAT’S –

01:17:31.918,01:17:38.941
THOSE WITH MY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN MARR.

01:17:38.943,01:17:44.384
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP AND
THANK YOU Mr. ATKINSON, THANK

01:17:44.386,01:17:51.947
YOU.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEW CN
INTERMODAL OPERATION AT CONRICH,

01:17:51.949,01:17:55.289
APPRECIATING FULL WELL THAT
DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS.
FRALT THEY’RE DEALING WITH,

01:17:55.291,01:17:58.953
VOLUME, WEIGHT, URGENCY COME
TO MIND.
ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES

01:17:58.955,01:18:04.198
FOR THE AIRPORT TO WORK WITH
THAT NEW FACILITY IN TERMS OF
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT?

01:18:04.200,01:18:10.161
>> WELL, I’VE READ ABOUT THE
DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU’RE
SPEAKING ABOUT, THE RAIL

01:18:10.163,01:18:14.094
COMPLEX?
>> YES.
>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT

01:18:14.096,01:18:19.896
OUR BUSINESS, AIR TRANSPORT,
IS THAT THERE IS ALMOST NO
CONNECTION BETWEEN RAIL

01:18:19.898,01:18:24.134
FREIGHT AND AIR FREIGHT.
IT’S TWO DIFFERENT COMPLETELY
BUSINESSES.

01:18:24.136,01:18:30.804
AIR FREIGHT TENDS TO BE VERY
HIGH VALUE ITEMS, OFTEN LOWER
IN WEIGHT AND LOWER IN VOLUME,

01:18:30.806,01:18:35.746
WHEREAS RAIL FREIGHT IS THE
EXACT OPPOSITE.
SO BOTH ARE VERY VITAL TO THE

01:18:35.748,01:18:40.152
ECONOMY AND SERVE — BUT THEY
SERVE VERY DISTINCT NEEDS
ACTUALLY.

01:18:40.154,01:18:43.719
>> SO AS OPPOSED TO EDMONTON
WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN
STRUGGLING WITH THIS CONCEPT

01:18:43.721,01:18:47.521
IN THE PAST, WE’RE NOT STEG
ANY IMMEDIATE –
>> OH, YES, I THINK YOU’RE

01:18:47.523,01:18:49.784
REFERRING –
I HAD READ ABOUT EDMONTON’S
PLAN.

01:18:49.786,01:18:55.356
I THINK WAS TO — I UNDERSTOOD
IT CORRECTLY, IT WAS TO TURN
THE AIRPORT INTO A RAIL

01:18:55.358,01:18:59.122
FREIGHT YARD.
IT’S A VERY INTERESTING PLAN.
>> I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY

01:18:59.124,01:19:02.461
VALUE ADDED ANTICIPATED AS
WELL.
>> IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING

01:19:02.463,01:19:14.488
PLAN, YES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN POOTMANS.

01:19:14.490,01:19:17.553
ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING
OUT HERE.

01:19:17.555,01:19:22.486
I’M REALLY EXCITED, LOOKS LIKE
A FANTASTIC PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ASK A

01:19:22.488,01:19:28.528
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE
GROWTH PORT.
YOU HAD LISTED THAT THE CARGO

01:19:28.530,01:19:33.474
TONNAGE WAS EXPECTED TO GO UP
BY 8.1%.
NOW, WAS THAT JUST FOR THE NEW

01:19:33.476,01:19:38.811
RUNWAY PORTION OR THE NEW
ACCESS PORTION OR FOR SDWRESH
SORRY, THAT’S AN HISTORICAL

01:19:38.813,01:19:42.906
FIGURE.
THAT WAS THE GREAT IN THE
FREIGHT TONNAGE LAST YEARS AGO

01:19:42.908,01:19:46.404
TWECHBLT >> LAST YEAR?
>> YES.
>> I PRESUME DO YOU HAVE ANY

01:19:46.406,01:19:51.481
ESTIMATES WHAT YOU EXPECT THE
CARGO TONNAGE TO GO UP WHEN
THE RUNWAY IS COMPLETED?

01:19:51.483,01:19:57.243
>> OH, I –
LET ME MAKE A GENERAL POINT.
WE GENERALLY BUILD

01:19:57.245,01:20:04.479
INFRASTRUCTURE TO MEET CURRENT
AND PROJECTED DEMAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT

01:20:04.481,01:20:08.318
BUILDING A RUN WARE MAKES THEM
COME HERE.
IT REALLY DOESN’T.

01:20:08.320,01:20:11.891
>> NOT A BUILD IT AND THEY
WILL COME?
>> WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE IS AN

01:20:11.893,01:20:16.433
AIRPORT — IS YOU NEED TO HAVE
CAPACITY.
THE REVERSE IS, OF COURSE, IF

01:20:16.435,01:20:23.672
YOUR CAPACITY CONSTRAINED YOU
HAVE A PROBLEM AND THEN YOU’RE
YOUR BROADER ECONOMY SUFFERS.

01:20:23.674,01:20:30.312
BUT THE SIMPLE VIRTUE OF
PUTTING DOWN A PIECE OF
PAVEMENT IS UNLIKELY TO CAUSE

01:20:30.314,01:20:33.249
AIRCRAFT TO LAND.
A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE PRINCE
GEORGE.

01:20:33.251,01:20:38.920
I UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL
YEARS AGO, THEY LENGTHENED AT
CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT THEIR

01:20:38.922,01:20:44.228
MAIN RUNWAY TO ACCEPT AIR
FREIGHT FLIGHTS.
AND I THINK THEY’VE HAD ONE

01:20:44.230,01:20:50.338
FLIGHT BY WAY OF DIVERSION IN
THOSE YEARS SINCE.
SO MY POINT IS SIMPLY BUILDING

01:20:50.340,01:20:55.850
INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT CAUSE
COMPANIES TO COME BY ITSELF.
>> OKAY.

01:20:55.852,01:21:01.557
THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED IT
IS YOU HAVE NO FIGURES WITH
REGARDS TO CARGO.

01:21:01.559,01:21:06.310
BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE
PASSENGERS PER YEAR THAT
YOU’VE GIVEN US FROM ’93 TO

01:21:06.312,01:21:14.011
2010, IT’S AVERAGING INCREASE –
ANNUAL AVERAGE OF BETWEEN 5
AND A QUARTER AND 5.5% AND I

01:21:14.013,01:21:16.611
WONDER –
I’M ENCOURAGED THAT YOU’RE
USING CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES

01:21:16.613,01:21:20.944
OF 3% INCREASE BUT TO ME THAT
SEEMS RATHER CONSERVATIVE WHEN
YOU’RE ALMOST SEEING A

01:21:20.946,01:21:25.709
DOUBLING OF THAT INCREASING –
EVEN OVER THE LAST TEN, TWELVE
YEARS.

01:21:25.711,01:21:30.403
>> ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU’LL FIND
IF YOU LOOK BACK, THAT OUR
GROWTH WILL VERY CLOSELY

01:21:30.405,01:21:35.025
PARALLEL THE ECONOMIC GROWTH
IN CALGARY.
OF COURSE, WE’VE BEEN THROUGH –

01:21:35.027,01:21:38.695
WE’LL CALL THEM THE BOOM YEAR
YEARS –
>> WELL –

01:21:38.697,01:21:42.102
>> DEPENDING ON HOW LONG
YOU’VE BEEN IN CALGARY YOU’VE
BEEN THROUGH MANY BOOM YEARS

01:21:42.104,01:21:45.801
AND A FEW YEARS THAT WERE NOT
QUITE BOOMS.
BUT BASICALLY OUR VERY STRONG

01:21:45.803,01:21:49.699
GROWTH IN THE PAST PARALLELLED
THE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN
CALGARY AND I THINK YOU WILL

01:21:49.701,01:21:55.336
FIND THAT OUR GROWTH
PROJECTIONS GOING FORWARD ARE
ROUGHLY AT PARALLEL TO THE

01:21:55.338,01:21:59.070
OVERALL GROWTH RATE IN THE
CITY AND OUR –
WHEN YOU SAY CONSERVATIVE

01:21:59.072,01:22:05.216
THEY’RE ACTUALLY OUR MID-CASE
SCENARIO AT 3%.
>> AND YET THE NUMBERS ARE

01:22:05.218,01:22:10.657
SHOWING ME OVER THE LAST I
WOULD SAY 15 YEARS YOU’RE –
AND WE’VE HAD SOME DEFINITELY

01:22:10.659,01:22:16.879
STRONG GROWTH, AND SOME NOT TO
STRONG GROWTH IN THAT PERIOD.
BUT WE’RE AVERAGING WELL ABOVE

01:22:16.881,01:22:20.939
5%.
I DON’T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD –
>> OH, WELL, AGAIN I DIDN’T

01:22:20.941,01:22:25.484
COME FULLY PREPARED PERHAPS
THIS MORNING.
I ACTUALLY TRACK BECAUSE I AM

01:22:25.486,01:22:30.672
A BIT OF A STATISTICIAN IN MY
PART-TIME, I COULD HAVE
BROUGHT YOU MY 60-YEAR CHART

01:22:30.674,01:22:35.185
AND YOU CAN AND I CAN SHOW YOU
PASSENGER GROWTH AT CALGARY
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT OVER THE

01:22:35.187,01:22:40.916
LAST 65 YEARS NOW AND WHAT YOU
WILL SEE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE
DECADES IS THAT GROWTH HAS

01:22:40.918,01:22:44.518
ACTUALLY BEEN PROGRESSIVELY
DECLINING IF YOU LOOK OVER A
LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

01:22:44.520,01:22:51.987
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU GO BACK
TO THE 1930s AND ’40s AND ’50s
AND ’60s SDWRESH I WOULD LIKE

01:22:51.989,01:22:55.882
STAY WHEN WE FULLY HAD JETS,
NOT THE PROPELLERS.
>> THAT’S OKAY.

01:22:55.884,01:23:00.317
BUT WHAT YOU’LL FIND IS IF YOU
TAKE BLOCKS OF TIME, YOU’LL
FIND THE AVERAGE GROWTH RATE

01:23:00.319,01:23:03.683
IN CANADA, NOTWITHSTANDING
EVEN THE BOOM –
IT’S ACTUALLY BEEN DECLINING

01:23:03.685,01:23:08.951
AND IT REFLECTS, I THINK, A
CERTAIN MATURITY LEVEL OF THE
AIRPORT, OF THE CITY, OF THE

01:23:08.953,01:23:12.921
ECONOMY.
SO WE’RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT
OUR MID-CASE SCENARIO IS ABOUT

01:23:12.923,01:23:16.127
RIGHT.
HAVING SAID THAT, OUR MASTER
PLAN IS FLEXIBLE.

01:23:16.129,01:23:22.200
WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN, WE DO
OUR MISS CASE PROJECTION, BUT –
MID-CASE PROJECTION BUT THEN

01:23:22.202,01:23:26.111
WE WAIT FOR CERTAIN TRIGGERS
TO AT THAT POINT.
SO WHEN WE REACH THOSE

01:23:26.113,01:23:29.152
THINKING TRIGGERS WE WILL
BUILD ANOTHER PIECE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE

01:23:29.154,01:23:34.711
WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
THIS PARTICULAR BUILD THAT
WE’RE ENGAGED IN NOW, THE ADP,

01:23:34.713,01:23:39.714
IS UNUSUALLY LARGE IN OUR
HISTORY.
SINCE 1992, WE’VE BEEN ABLE TO

01:23:39.716,01:23:44.722
EXPAND THE AIRPORT RELATIVELY
INCREMENTALLY, PARTICULARLY
THE THEY REMEMBER NALL.

01:23:44.724,01:23:50.959
AND YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE
THAT’S NOT POSSIBLE, AND IF
YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE HUNDRE

01:23:50.961,01:23:55.743
HUNDRED-YEAR HISTORY OF AN
ARROWDREAM THERE’S USUALLY A
POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO PICK

01:23:55.745,01:24:01.510
UP THE INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS,
BUSINESS WEST OUTBOUND
PRE-CLEARANCE IN CANADA AND

01:24:01.512,01:24:07.146
MOVE IT IN TOTAL AMOUNT.
A GOOD CASE STUDY IS VANCOUVER.
WHEN VANCOUVER TRANSFERRED IN

01:24:07.148,01:24:12.979
19902, SHORTLY THEREAFTER THEY
UNDERTOOK A MAJOR EXPANSION
WHERE THEY HAD TO MOVE ENTIRELY

01:24:12.981,01:24:17.389
ALL OF THEIR INTERNATIONAL
ACTIVITY.
NOW, THEIR PASSENGER TRAFFIC,

01:24:17.391,01:24:20.726
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WAS
AROUND 13 OR 14 MILLION AT
THAT TIME.

01:24:20.728,01:24:25.359
AND OF COURSE, THAT’S ALMOST
EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
SO WE’RE JUST HITTING THAT

01:24:25.361,01:24:30.262
POINT IN TIME WHERE THIS ONE
EXPANSION WILL BE LESS
INCREMENTAL BALLS WE HAVE TO

01:24:30.264,01:24:36.734
PICK UP AND MOVE INTERNATIONAL
TRAFFIC.
WE CAN’T JUST EXPAND WHERE WE

01:24:36.736,01:24:41.807
ARE.
IN THE FUTURE AFTER THIS BUILD
AND AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE

01:24:41.809,01:24:47.573
NEXT 60 YEARS, SUBSEQUENT
EXPANSIONS WILL GO BACK TO
BEING MORE INCREMENTAL.

01:24:47.575,01:24:53.991
WE’LL ADD MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE
BRIDGES AT A TIME AND –
>> UNTIL THE INTERORBITAL

01:24:53.993,01:24:57.798
COMES IN BUT THAT’S ANOTHER.

ANOTHER STORY.

01:24:57.800,01:25:00.929
WHAT IS THE VANCOUVER
PASSENGER RATE NOW?
DO YOU HAVE –

01:25:00.931,01:25:04.190
>> I CERTAINLY DON’T HAVE IT
WITH ME.
I THINK THEY’RE SOMEWHERE IN

01:25:04.192,01:25:09.249
THE 17 OR 18 MILLION PASSENGER
RANGE BUT THAT’S A ROUGH
ESTIMATE.

01:25:09.251,01:25:14.130
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

01:25:14.132,01:25:17.706
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
I’M JUST GOING TO ALDERMAN
HODGES FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE.

01:25:17.708,01:25:22.286
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE
OTHER STUDENTS FROM UNIVERSITY

01:25:22.288,01:25:27.423
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THEIR TEACHER IS LORIS MARTIN.
THEY’RE ACCOMPANIED BY SHE

01:25:27.425,01:25:34.205
WILL PA MORRISON AND HEIDI
HORN, THE VOLUNTEER TOUR
GUIDES AND I WOULD LIKE TO –

01:25:34.207,01:25:45.448
LIKE THEM TO STAND SO WE CAN
WELCOME THEM.
[ APPLAUSE ]

01:25:45.582,01:25:50.149
>> OKAY, WELCOME TO CITY HALL.
I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY
HERE TODAY.

01:25:50.151,01:25:55.288
AND YES, AS ALDERMAN FARRELL
ALWAYS REMINDS ME TO REMIND
PERJS YOU WERE JUST ON T.V.

01:25:55.290,01:25:59.893
THAT WAS FUN, RIGHT?
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR TIME
HERE AT CITY HALL TODAY.

01:25:59.895,01:26:04.529
ALDERMAN JONES?
>> THANK YOU, EUROPE.
Mr. ATKINSON, THE ONE QUESTION

01:26:04.531,01:26:10.238
IN REGARDS TO THE SLASH
UNDERPASS TUNNEL THAT HASN’T
BEEN ASKED WAS WE JUST

01:26:10.240,01:26:13.208
RECEIVED AN AGREEMENT FROM THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND THE
QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK

01:26:13.210,01:26:17.413
IS WHAT IS THE CUT-OFF FOR
THIS AGREEMENT?
WHAT IS THE DROP DEAD DATE SO

01:26:17.415,01:26:22.450
THAT WE DON’T HOLD UP
PROCEEDINGS?
>> YES, THAT’S AN INTERESTING

01:26:22.452,01:26:28.714
TERM, THE DROP DEAD DATE.
BUT STEPPING ASIDE FROM THAT,
I BELIEVE WE’VE MUTUALLY

01:26:28.716,01:26:33.086
AGREED THAT — IN FACT I DON’T
THINK THERE’S ANY DISAGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

01:26:33.088,01:26:36.191
OUR TARGET DATE FOR A FINAL
LEASE AGREEMENT WILL BE
MID-MAY.

01:26:36.193,01:26:39.629
YOU KNOW, IT’S A COMPLEX
AGREEMENT.
I THINK REFERENCE WAS MADE TO

01:26:39.631,01:26:43.763
A HUNDRED PAGES.
IT MAY ONLY BE 98 BUT IT’S
CLOSE ENOUGH.

01:26:43.765,01:26:48.637
BUT CERTAINLY, THERE’S A LOT
OF DUE DILIGENCE INVOLVED IN A
COMPLEX AGREEMENT LIKE THIS.

01:26:48.639,01:26:52.072
WE’RE WORKING HARD AT IT BUT
MID-MAY I BELIEVE WAS
APPROXIMATELY OUR JOINT TARGET

01:26:52.074,01:26:56.846
FOR SORT OF FINAL SIGN-OFF ON
THE PAPERWORK.
>> AND IF IT’S INTO THE DONE

01:26:56.848,01:27:00.177
BY THEN?
SORRY?
>> IF IT’S NOT DONE BY THEN?

01:27:00.179,01:27:07.457
I GUESS WHAT MY QUESTION IS IF
WE HAVE SIGNED IT AND YOU
DON’T AGREE AND IT AND IT GET

01:27:07.459,01:27:11.062
PROLONGED –
>> USUALLY THESE AGREEMENTS
REQUIRE BOTH PARTIES TO SIGN

01:27:11.064,01:27:14.994
SO THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE
CASE THIS TIME AS WELL.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE

01:27:14.996,01:27:19.566
FOR YOU AND IT WAS WITH
REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF
BARLOW TRASHLGS OBVIOUSLY YOU

01:27:19.568,01:27:24.437
MUST BE DOING MONITORING
AROUND THE AIRPORT ON THE
STREETS THAT ENTER INTO IT

01:27:24.439,01:27:30.305
SUCH AS BARLOW TRAIL AND 96th
AVENUE SEEING AS THAT IS NOW
THE MAIN STREET ACCESS TO THE

01:27:30.307,01:27:37.582
AIRPORT, HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY
CLOGGING OF TRAFFIC OR
CONGESTION?

01:27:37.584,01:27:42.227
>> I’M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY
WHERE YOU’RE REFERRING TO, BUT
AGAIN, MY –

01:27:42.229,01:27:46.924
>> WELL, THE MAIN ARTERY
OBVIOUSLY IS AIRPORT TRAIL.
>> OUR GENERAL OBSERVATION WAS

01:27:46.926,01:27:53.359
THAT THE CLOSURE WAS PROBABLY
THE MOST WELL PLANNED, WELL
PUBLICIZED AND WELL EXECUTED

01:27:53.361,01:27:56.859
CLOSURE IN THE HISTORY OF
MANKIND.
AND –

01:27:56.861,01:28:01.091
AND WE THOUGHT IT WENT VERY
WELL, AND AGAIN I COMPLIMENT
THE CITY FOR WORKING SO

01:28:01.093,01:28:04.494
CLOSELY WITH US.
WE COULDN’T HAVE DONE IT
WITHOUT THEM, SO –

01:28:04.496,01:28:11.800
>> SO I’M ASSUMING AT SOME
POINT IN TIME THERE’S GOING TO
BE STRUCTURES NEEDED SUCH AS

01:28:11.802,01:28:15.572
INTERCHANGES ALONG THERE, THE
NORTH PART OF THE AIRPORT?
>> PARDON SUNNY >> THERE’S

01:28:15.574,01:28:19.810
GOING TO BE INTERCHANGES
REQUIRED IN THE NORTH PART OF
THE AIRPORT AT SOME POINT?

01:28:19.812,01:28:23.179
>> IN THE NORTH PART OF THE
AIRPORT?
I GUESS THAT DEPENDS HOW

01:28:23.181,01:28:26.548
THINGS GO IN THE FUTURE.
>> THE REASON I WAS ASKING THE
QUESTION IS WHO WOULD BE

01:28:26.550,01:28:31.517
RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THOSE?
>> WELL, OF COURSE, YOU’RE
ASKING WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE A

01:28:31.519,01:28:36.293
VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION.
WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED ANOTHER
IF YOU HOURS HERE THIS MORNING.

01:28:36.295,01:28:39.330
MY PARKING TICKET IS JUST TO
RUN OUT.
I AM PREPARED TO STAY BUT –

01:28:39.332,01:28:44.778
>> THE MAYOR CAN VALIDATE.
>> IT’S THE ONE AND ONLY POWER
I HAVE WITH THE CALGARY

01:28:44.780,01:28:50.605
PARKING AUTHORITY.
>> I MAY TAKE YOU UP ON THAT,
YOUR WORSHIP.

01:28:50.607,01:28:54.982
IN ANY EVENT WHAT I CAN TELL
YOU IS THAT TO THE EXTENT
YOU’RE REFERRING TO OUR

01:28:54.984,01:29:00.190
DISCUSSIONS, THEIR INTENSE,
THEY’RE INVOLVED.
WE MET JUST LAST THURSDAY AND

01:29:00.192,01:29:03.883
I EXPECT WE’LL BE MEETING
AGAIN SOON.
SO WE’LL ALL STAY TUNED TO SEE

01:29:03.885,01:29:10.413
HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

01:29:10.415,01:29:14.155
Mr. TALL BERT HAS JUST
INFORMED ME THAT I ACTUALLY DO
NOT HAVE THAT POWER.

01:29:14.157,01:29:18.863
ANOTHER ONE OFF THE LIST.
THE LIST IS GETTING SMALLER
AND SMALLER.

01:29:18.865,01:29:25.555
ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> THANK YOU.
Mr. ATKINSON, SDWROUS PICK UP –

01:29:25.557,01:29:31.240
JUST TO PICK UP ON THE –
YOU SAID INTERESTING DEADLINES
ARE INTERESTING.

01:29:31.242,01:29:35.075
DEADLINES WOULDN’T BE NEAR AS
INTERESTING IF THE WORD “DEAD”
WASN’T IN THERE..

01:29:35.077,01:29:39.651
THAT’S THE FACT OF IT.
I’VE BEEN LISTENING CAREFULLY
TO THE QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT

01:29:39.653,01:29:44.554
TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY’S
POSITION ON THE TUNNEL.
AND IF I’M GOING TO SUMMARIZE

01:29:44.556,01:29:52.837
IT VERY SHORTLY, AND PLEASE
ELABORATE ON MY SUMMARY IF YOU
NEED TO.

01:29:52.839,01:29:58.974
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE
UNDERSTANDING I HAVE IS THAT
THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS

01:29:58.976,01:30:04.115
PREPARED TO ENABLE THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE TUNNEL AND
THE ACCESS THROUGH ON PART OF

01:30:04.117,01:30:09.189
THE CITY’S MAJOR
TRANSPORTATION ROUTES.
BUT GIVEN YOUR FINANCIAL

01:30:09.191,01:30:13.524
CAPACITY, AS YOU ALLUDED TO IN
THE EARLY PART OF YOUR
PRESENTATION, YOU’RE NOT

01:30:13.526,01:30:20.097
PREPARED TO INCUR ANY EXPENSE.
YOU’RE NOT PREPARED TO INCUR
ANY FINANCIAL RISK.

01:30:20.099,01:30:24.440
AND CLEARLY, YOU’RE NOT
PREPARED TO INCUR ANY
OPERATIONAL RISK.

01:30:24.442,01:30:29.011
WOULD THAT BE A TIGHT SUMMARY
OF IT?
>> THAT’S A REASONABLY FAIR

01:30:29.013,01:30:31.715
SUMMARY.
AGAIN, A VERY COMPLEX
SITUATION BUT I WOULD SAY

01:30:31.717,01:30:34.653
THAT’S –
THAT’S CLOSE –
VERY CLOSE TO THE CASE, YES.

01:30:34.655,01:30:40.327
>> OKAY.
AND WOULD YOU ALSO SUGGEST
THAT THAT’S PROBABLY A FAIRLY

01:30:40.329,01:30:46.996
NORMAL STARTING POINT FOR ANY
SET OF NEGOTIATIONS LIKE THIS?
>> WELL, I — I CAN’T CONFESS

01:30:46.998,01:30:52.023
TO HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN
TUNNEL NEGOTIATIONS IN MY
PRIOR LIFE BUT THIS IS THE

01:30:52.025,01:30:56.019
ONLY ONE I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN
BUT –
IN GENERAL, I WOULD AGREE WITH

01:30:56.021,01:31:02.481
YOUR COMMENT, THIS THAT THIS
WOULD NOT BE UNTYPICAL FOR
SUCH A DISCUSSION BETWEEN TWO

01:31:02.483,01:31:06.789
PARTIES, SUCH AS OURSELVES,
YES.
>> AND FOR THE CITY’S PART, I

01:31:06.791,01:31:11.389
WOULD HOPE SO.
THE ONLY QUESTION I’VE HAD
ABOUT THE CLOSURE OF BARLOW

01:31:11.391,01:31:15.863
TRAIL — AND REGARDLESS OF
WHERE THE REST OF THE TRAFFIC
GOES, I ACTUALLY CAME FROM ONE

01:31:15.865,01:31:22.271
OF MY CONSTITUENTS WHO RIDES
HIS BIKE TO WORK.
NOW, HE, I BELIEVE, ROAD UP –

01:31:22.273,01:31:28.143
USED TO BE McCALAWAY, I
BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE BICYCLE
PATH ALONG THERE.

01:31:28.145,01:31:32.420
WILL THAT KIND OF ACCESS BE
ENABLED IN THE FUTURE?
I UNDERSTAND DURING

01:31:32.422,01:31:35.961
CONSTRUCTION IT’S NOT LIKELY
TO AT THAT POINT BUT WHAT
ABOUT IN THE FUTURE?

01:31:35.963,01:31:42.022
>> YEAH, WE HAVE A BIKE PATH
THAT WE BUILT QUITE A FEW
YEARS AGO NOW WHICH –

01:31:42.024,01:31:45.925
>> IN MY DAY.
>> YES.
BASICALLY RUNS –

01:31:45.927,01:31:49.663
WAS RUNNING NORTH-SOUTH ALONG
BARLOW TRAIL.
WE’RE ACTUALLY BUILDING A NEW

01:31:49.665,01:31:54.693
BIKE PATH SORT OF PARALLEL TO
IT BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR
THE WEST, WHICH WILL RUN UP

01:31:54.695,01:31:58.927
McCALL WAY.
SO YEAH, THAT’S SDWRESH SO
THAT PACK C’EST WILL BE

01:31:58.929,01:32:03.516
ENABLED IN THE FUTURE?
>> WELL, THERE WILL BE A
PARALLEL BIKE PATH.

01:32:03.518,01:32:07.821
OBVIOUSLY, UNLESS YOU –
UNLESS IN PARTICULAR BIKE HAS
WINGS, IT WON’T ACTUALLY BE

01:32:07.823,01:32:12.055
ABLE TO HOP ACROSS THE TAXIWAY
BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO ALL
THE WAY FROM McKNIGHT

01:32:12.057,01:32:16.399
BOULEVARD UP TO GENERALLY THE
AREA WHERE THE WEST >> Jessi:
CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IS.

01:32:16.401,01:32:19.572
>> YES.
OKAY.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

01:32:19.574,01:32:22.243
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, ALDERMAN LOWE.
ALDERMAN KEATING?

01:32:22.245,01:32:26.110
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
JUST AGAIN I ALWAYS LIKE TO
UNDERSTAND THE POSITIONS AND

01:32:26.112,01:32:34.108
WHERE WE ARE AND NOT GETTING
INTO THE AGREEMENT AT ALL.
AT THIS TIME, DOES THE AIRPORT

01:32:34.110,01:32:39.243
AUTHORITY HAVE ANY
REQUIREMENTS TO — FOR THE
CITY TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE

01:32:39.245,01:32:44.589
EITHER ON THEIR LAND OR ON
CITY LAND?
>> DOES THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY

01:32:44.591,01:32:48.088
HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS –
COULD YOU BE JUST BE A LITTLE
MORE SPECIFIC PERHAPS?

01:32:48.090,01:32:52.030
>> WELL, ARE THERE ANY
SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
CITY SAY TO PUT AN OVERPASS AT

01:32:52.032,01:32:56.204
A DIFFERENT ROAD, WHETHER IT’S
ON AIRPORT AUTHORITY LAND OR
WHETHER IT’S ON CITY LAND?

01:32:56.206,01:32:59.767
>> AH, THE OVERPASS, YES.
TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE
UNDERPASS.

01:32:59.769,01:33:03.470
>> EXACTLY.
IN ANY SHAPE OR WAY IS WHAT
I’M LOOKING FOR.

01:33:03.472,01:33:09.079
>> CERTAINLY, IN OUR
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, WE
ARE IDENTIFYING THROUGH OUR

01:33:09.081,01:33:14.317
TRANSPORTATION STUDIES CERTAIN
OVERPASSES THAT WILL BE
REQUIRED, YES, THAT IS THE

01:33:14.319,01:33:17.288
CASE.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS DO
WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC

01:33:17.290,01:33:21.324
AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD TRIGGER
THOSE BETWEEN THE TWO
AUTHORITIES AT THIS TIME?

01:33:21.326,01:33:26.031
>> I’M SORRY, DO WE HAVE ANY
AGREEMENTS OR –
>> YES, OF ANYTHING, NOT

01:33:26.033,01:33:32.740
SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT BUT IN GENERAL.
ARE THERE BEEN ANY AGREEMENTS

01:33:32.742,01:33:36.111
BETWEEN –
>> THAT’S WHAT WE’RE WORKING
ON AT THE MOMENT, WHICH IS

01:33:36.113,01:33:43.547
OCCUPYING MUCH OF OUR
RESPECTIVE SOMETIME –
>> AGAIN, IRREGARDLESS OF THE

01:33:43.549,01:33:46.185
UNDERPASS?
AND I SAID THAT WORD AGAIN,
DIDN’T I?

01:33:46.187,01:33:52.626
THAT’S A GOOD OLD SASKATCHEWAN,
IRREGARDLESS WHICH IS NOT A
WORD BUT ANYWAY, WE’LL GO ON.

01:33:52.628,01:33:57.566
WHAT I’M TRYING TO GET AT…
IS THERE OR HAVE THERE BEEN
ANY AGREEMENT WHERE THE

01:33:57.568,01:34:04.636
AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS SAID IN
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY,
YOU MUST BUILD THIS AT THIS

01:34:04.638,01:34:10.876
TIME, REGARDLESS OF THE
REQUIREMENTS OF TRAFFIC OR
BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY OF

01:34:10.878,01:34:16.639
TRAFFIC?
>> WELL, I GUESS THERE’S — IF
YOU’RE REFERRING TO HISTORICAL

01:34:16.641,01:34:20.451
CIRCUMSTANCES, OF COURSE,
WE’RE DEALING WITH AN
HISTORICAL CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE

01:34:20.453,01:34:25.079
WE HAVE A CERTAIN STATUS QUO.
I’M NOT PARTICULARLY AWARE OF
THOSE AGREEMENTS.

01:34:25.081,01:34:30.413
AND LIKELY I WOULD BE IF THEY
WERE IN EXISTENCE GIVEN MY
TENURE BUT CERTAINLY I CAN SAY

01:34:30.415,01:34:35.114
AGAIN THAT THOSE ELEMENTS ARE
UNDER DISCUSSION AMONG VARIOUS
OTHER ISSUES AS WE GO FORWARD,

01:34:35.116,01:34:39.787
YES.
>> I APOLOGIZE.
I GUESS I’M NOT ANSWERING THE

01:34:39.789,01:34:42.731
QUESTION SIMPLE ENOUGH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS.
I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE

01:34:42.733,01:34:48.672
WERE ANY AGREEMENTS OR THERE
ARE ANY PRESENT NOW THAT WOULD
TRIGGER INFRASTRUCTURE AND I’M

01:34:48.674,01:34:52.514
GUESSING THERE ISN’T.
THANK YOU.
>> AND I APOLOGIZE, I’M FROM

01:34:52.516,01:34:56.287
SASKATCHEWAN TOO SO THE SIMPLE
ANSWER IS NO.
>> OH, WHEN THE SASKATCHEWAN

01:34:56.289,01:35:00.355
PEOPLE START TALKING.
I THINK Mr. TOBERT CAN HELP ON
THIS ONE.

01:35:00.357,01:35:03.488
>> SAME ANSWER, NO.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT
WAS EASY.

01:35:03.490,01:35:07.650
THANKS VERY MUCH, Mr. ATKINSON.
I DON’T SEE ANY MORE LIGHTS.
I THINK IT’S VERY HELPFUL THAT

01:35:07.652,01:35:12.354
WE’RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION
TODAY IN AN OPEN PUBLIC FORUM
NOTWITHSTANDING YOUR STATEMENT

01:35:12.356,01:35:16.596
ABOUT NOT WANTING TO NEGOTIATE
THROUGH THE MEDIA.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT

01:35:16.598,01:35:19.301
HAS BEEN HAPPENING, AND
PARTICULARLY THROUGH THIRD
PARTIES.

01:35:19.303,01:35:24.403
SO IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ONE
ANOTHER OPENLY AND I’M VERY

01:35:24.405,01:35:28.807
PLEASED THAT SO MANY MEMBERS
OF THE BOARD ARE HERE WITH YOU
TODAY.

01:35:28.809,01:35:33.975
AND I SUSPECT BASED ON THE TENOR
OF THE CONVERSATION WE’VE HAD
TODAY, WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE

01:35:33.977,01:35:38.176
THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE DOING
TO VERY OPENLY.

01:35:38.178,01:35:44.315
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TODAY
REQUEST AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR

01:35:44.317,01:35:49.225
BOARD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
WEEKS, PERSONALLY, SO THAT WE
CAN REALLY TALK ABOUT WHERE WE

01:35:49.227,01:35:54.129
ARE AT ON SOME OF THESE
NEGOTIATIONS.
SO Mr. MITCHELL, I’M SURE THAT

01:35:54.131,01:35:59.800
YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO US
TRYING TO FIND SOME TIME WITH
THESE FOLKS, YES?

01:35:59.802,01:36:04.270
THANK YOU, SIR.
I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE I THINK THAT –

01:36:04.272,01:36:10.144
EVEN A LOT OF WHAT WAS HEARD
TODAY ARE THINGS THAT PERHAPS
HAVE NOT BEEN ENTIRELY CLEAR

01:36:10.146,01:36:13.179
AND OPENLY.
FOR EXAMPLE, INDEED THIS HAS
BEEN –

01:36:13.181,01:36:18.820
THIS LITTLE PIECE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN ON THE
CITY’S MAP SINCE BEFORE 1995.

01:36:18.822,01:36:24.330
IT WAS IN THE 1995 GO PLAN SO
IT HASN’T JUST BEEN SINCE
2004.

01:36:24.332,01:36:27.265
AND INTERESTING TO HEAR YOU
SAY THAT THE AIRPORT’S
POSITION HASN’T CHANGED IN

01:36:27.267,01:36:30.336
EIGHT YEARS.
I WOULD SUSPECT THAT OUR
NEGOTIATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN

01:36:30.338,01:36:33.339
AT THAT LITTLE ELZIER IF THE
AIRPORT’S POSITION HASN’T
CHANGED IN EIGHT YEARS BUT IN

01:36:33.341,01:36:39.026
FACT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER
OF CHANGES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO

01:36:39.028,01:36:43.238
CONTINUE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN WAY.
I NOTE IN A YOUR MAN GATE IS

01:36:43.240,01:36:47.002
TO OPERATE IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE GENERAL
PUBLIC OF YOUR REGION, AS OF

01:36:47.004,01:36:51.917
COURSE IS OURS.
AND I’M CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE
ENOUGH IN COMMON HERE TO HAVE

01:36:51.919,01:36:55.248
AN INTEREST IN THE SUCCESS OF
THE AIRPORT BUT ALSO THE
SUCCESS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT

01:36:55.250,01:36:59.516
WE’LL BE ABLE TO COME TO A
GOOD CONCLUSION HERE.
I ALWAYS CHASTIZE MY COUNCIL

01:36:59.518,01:37:03.886
FOR MAKING STATEMENTS THAT
DON’T END WITH A QUESTION MARK
AT THE END AND I JUST DID, BUT

01:37:03.888,01:37:06.989
YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT TO
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE
AND SPENDING SO MUCH TIME WITH

01:37:06.991,01:37:13.402
US THIS MORNING.
SEEING NO MORE LIGHTS, I LOOK
FORWARD TO OUR NEXT SET OF

01:37:13.404,01:37:17.239
DISCUSSIONS BUT MADAME CLERK
IS WAVING AT ME.
WE NEED TO SEE THAT?

01:37:17.241,01:37:21.144
I NEED PA MOTION TO RECEIVE
INFORMATION.
THANKS, ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

01:37:21.146,01:37:24.579
SECONDED ALDERMAN LOWE.
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

01:37:24.581,01:37:30.341
CARRIED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, QUESTION PERIOD.

01:37:30.343,01:37:34.709
I KNOW ALDERMAN CHABOT, HE
HASN’T GOT TO HIS LIGHT YET
BUT HE TOLD ME HE WANTED ONE

01:37:34.711,01:37:42.610
SO GO AHEAD, SIR.
>> THANK YOU.
SO IN THE PAST, ACCORDING TO

01:37:42.612,01:37:47.455
PROCEDURAL MANUAL I THINK
WE’RE SUPPOSED TO GET
AUTHORIZATION THROUGH PACK TO

01:37:47.457,01:37:52.933
USE COUNCIL CHAMBERS
SPECIFICALLY FOR STANDING
POLICY COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

01:37:52.935,01:37:58.365
AND THERE’S A POSSIBILITY THAT
LANDES PLANNING AND
TRANSPORTATION MEETING ON

01:37:58.367,01:38:03.601
WEDNESDAY WILL NECESSARY TATE
THE USE OF A LARGER ROOM.
AND I THINK REALLY THE ONLY

01:38:03.603,01:38:09.201
ROOM THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD
BE LARGER THAN ENGINEERING
TRADITIONS WOULD BE COUNCIL

01:38:09.203,01:38:13.743
CHAMBERS SO I’M WONDERING WHAT
MECHANISM WE NEED TO USE.
DO WE NEED COUNCIL’S DIRECTION

01:38:13.745,01:38:15.872
HERE?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: MADAME
CLERK?

01:38:15.874,01:38:20.544
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE BYLAW WAS
AMENDED IN ORDER TO PERMIT –
AND IT’S A POWER THE MAYOR AND

01:38:20.546,01:38:25.354
THE CITY CLERK TO AGREE.
>> YOU AND I HAVE A POWER?
>> WE HAVE A POWER.

01:38:25.356,01:38:27.726
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: HOW
OUTSTANDING.
>> IF IT’S NECESSARY WE CAN

01:38:27.728,01:38:30.996
JUST MOVE THEM OVER HERE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO
WE’LL JUST DO THAT ON

01:38:30.998,01:38:35.097
WEDNESDAY MORNING, DEPENDING
ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE,
MAKES SENSE, ALDERMAN CHABOT.

01:38:35.099,01:38:38.471
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT, YOUR
WORSHIP.
THERE MAY BE NEED FOR IT.

01:38:38.473,01:38:40.372
THANKS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.

01:38:40.374,01:38:44.009
ALDERMAN HODGES?
QUESTION PERIOD.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WE HAVE A

01:38:44.011,01:38:53.016
REPORT C 2011-3SH8GS AIRPORT
UNDERPASS –
IT WASN’T DISTRIBUTED WITH OUR

01:38:53.018,01:38:56.152
AGENDAS.
HAS ANYBODY GOT A COPY?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I GOT

01:38:56.154,01:38:59.761
IT IN MY HANDS.
AS SOON AS WE APPROVE THE
AGENDA, WE’LL SEND THAT AROUND.

01:38:59.763,01:39:02.300
>> WE’LL DISTRIBUTE IT?
OKAY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.

01:39:02.302,01:39:08.074
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
QUESTION PERIOD?
VERY WELL, THEN –

01:39:08.076,01:39:11.614
THANKS, ALDERMAN MOORE.
ALDERMAN MOORE IS MOVING THE
AGENDA.

01:39:11.616,01:39:19.957
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
ANYONE, ANYONE, ANYONE?

01:39:19.959,01:39:27.156
ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
A SORRY, I DON’T HAVE A NOTE
ON THAT.

01:39:27.158,01:39:32.022
WAVE REPORT FROM THE AUDIT
COMMITTEE?
OH, IT’S UNDER URGENT BUSINESS.

01:39:32.024,01:39:35.795
ALDERMAN PINCOTT, YOU ALREADY
SECONDED THE AGENDA.
ALDERMAN JONES, WOULD YOU MIND

01:39:35.797,01:39:39.403
MOVING THAT?
ALDERMAN STEVENSON, THANKS FOR
SECONDING THAT.

01:39:39.405,01:39:44.145
TO ADD THE REPORT FROM THE
AUDIT COMMITTEE UNDER URGENT
BUSINESS, ARE WE AGREED?

01:39:44.147,01:39:47.180
ANY OPPOSED?
GREAT.
ANYTHING ELSE UNDER URGENT

01:39:47.182,01:39:49.653
BUSINESS?
I DIDN’T SEE –
IS THAT IT?

01:39:49.655,01:39:54.645
>> EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ALREADY
ADDED TO THE AGENDA, YOUR
WORSHIP FOR THE NOMINATION.

01:39:54.647,01:39:59.694
>> SO THERE WAS TWO FROM AUDIT
SO WE’LL ADD BOTH OF THOSE
UNDER URGENT BUSINESS.

01:39:59.696,01:40:04.267
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WAS THERE NOT
YOUR NOTICE OF MOTION
CONCERNING THE TAXI INDUSTRY?

01:40:04.269,01:40:07.535
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: IT’S
ALREADY IN THERE.
>> OH, IT WAS IN?

01:40:07.537,01:40:11.075
OKAY I’M SORRY, I OBVIOUSLY
MISSED THAT.
ON THAT ONE, YOUR WORSHIP, I

01:40:11.077,01:40:18.749
WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE
MAYBE ADVANTAGED IF WE WERE TO
MOVE THAT IN CAMERA TO START

01:40:18.751,01:40:21.416
WITH.
>> SECOND!
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I

01:40:21.418,01:40:29.887
DON’T SEE WHY.
BUT IT’S MOVED AND SECONDED.
WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE IN CAMERA

01:40:29.889,01:40:34.180
SHOULD ANYTHING SENSITIVE COME
UP IN THAT CONVERSATION –
>> I THINK, YOUR WORSHIP, AS A

01:40:34.182,01:40:39.519
PRELIMINARY IT WOULD BE TO OUR
ADVANTAGE TO DISCUSS IT IN
CAMERA PRIOR TO DISCUSSING IT

01:40:39.521,01:40:45.690
OUT HERE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DID
YOU HEAR THAT, ALDERMAN LOWE?

01:40:45.692,01:40:51.628
MADAME CLERK NEEDS A REASON IN
ORDER TO GO IN CAMERA.
>> THERE MAY BE FURTHER –

01:40:51.630,01:40:55.966
THERE MAY WELL BE PERSONNEL
ITEMS THAT COUNCIL MAY WISH TO
BECOME AWARE OF OR DISCUSS.

01:40:55.968,01:41:01.836
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.
SO WE’VE GOT A MOTION THEN TO
MOVE 9.1.2 TO THE INCAMERA

01:41:01.838,01:41:06.309
SESSION OF THE DISCUSSION
TODAY AS 12.7.
ON THAT ONE, ARE WE AGREED?

01:41:06.311,01:41:11.573
ANY OPPOSED?
IMPOSED.
I AM OPPOSED.

01:41:11.575,01:41:17.550
YOU’LL HAVE TO CALL THE ROLL.
>> ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YES.

01:41:17.552,01:41:20.923
>> ALDERMAN JONES?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING?

01:41:20.925,01:41:23.758
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YES.

01:41:23.760,01:41:28.168
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MAR.

01:41:28.170,01:41:30.770
>> YES.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> YES.

01:41:30.772,01:41:34.041
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
>> NO.

01:41:34.043,01:41:40.216
>> ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?

01:41:40.218,01:41:45.557
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLIE IRAQ HART?
>> YES.

01:41:45.559,01:41:48.561
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?

01:41:48.563,01:41:51.163
>> YES.
>> MAYOR NENSHI?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.

01:41:51.165,01:41:55.192
>> CARRIED, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE?

01:41:55.194,01:41:59.565
OKAY, THAT’S PROBABLY THE
SMALLEST NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS
WE’VE HAD ON THE AGENDA EVER.

01:41:59.567,01:42:04.034
SO ON THE AGENDA AS AMENDED,
THEN, ARE WE AGREED?
>> AGREED.

01:42:04.036,01:42:05.672
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ANY
OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

01:42:05.674,01:42:10.704
VERY WELL THEN ON THE MINUTES,
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
THE MINUTES?

01:42:10.706,01:42:13.975
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THANKS.
ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES?

01:42:13.977,01:42:18.276
OKAY.
SO ON THE MINUTES THEN, ARE WE
AGREED 1234 ANY OPPOSED?

01:42:18.278,01:42:24.250
CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA, CAN I HAVE A
MOTION TO MOVE?

01:42:24.252,01:42:28.827
THANKS, ALDERMAN MacLEOD
SECONDING.
ARE WE AGREED?

01:42:28.829,01:42:32.663
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT, THEN.

01:42:32.665,01:42:40.903
TABLED REPORTS.
NOTICE OF MOTION 2011-10, ON
SECONDARY SUITES IN.

01:42:40.905,01:42:45.333
UNDEVELOPED R1 DISTRICTS.
ALDERMAN DEMONG, WOULD YOU
CARE TO MOVE THAT?

01:42:45.335,01:42:50.510
THANKS.
AND ALDERMAN FAIRLY IS SECONDI
SECONDING.

01:42:50.512,01:42:54.053
>> POINT OF ORDER, YOUR
WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YES?

01:42:54.055,01:43:01.303
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
SORRY, BEFORE WE MOVE THIS
ITEM, THERE IS A

01:43:01.305,01:43:09.477
RECOMMENDATION 2 EVEN ON THE
AMENDED MOTION THAT REFERENCES
ANY OTHER AREAS WHICH –

01:43:09.479,01:43:13.176
>> POINT OF ORDER.
THERE IS A REVISED NOTICE OF
MOTION –

01:43:13.178,01:43:16.677
>> THIS IS THE REVISED –
>> THAT IS NOT THE REVISED
NOTICE.

01:43:16.679,01:43:21.380
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WE’LL
LET YOU INTRODUCE THE REVISED
ONE WHEN YOU STAND UP,

01:43:21.382,01:43:25.452
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
>> ALL I CAN BASE IT ON,
YURNGS IS ON WHAT’S BEFORE ME

01:43:25.454,01:43:28.087
SO –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’LL
GIVE YOU A CHANCE ONCE YOU SEE

01:43:28.089,01:43:31.960
THE NEW ONE, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SINCE

01:43:31.962,01:43:35.832
YOU HAVEN’T ACTUALLY MOVED IT
YET, ALDERMAN DEMONG, I SPOKE
A LITTLE TOO SOON.

01:43:35.834,01:43:39.188
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO MOVE AT THIS
MOMENT, THEN WE CAN GO FROM

01:43:39.190,01:43:45.400
THERE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THERE IS A REVISION.

01:43:45.402,01:43:49.376
THE CLERK SHOULD BE
DISTRIBUTING IT SHORTLY.
HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS, THERE

01:43:49.378,01:43:56.208
WAS A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT
OBVIOUSLY AS ALDERMAN CHABOT
HAD MENTION THE WERE ARAB

01:43:56.210,01:43:59.839
WARTD –
WERE AWKWARDLY WORDED LET’S
SAY.

01:43:59.841,01:44:02.710
WENT THROUGH WITH
ADMINISTRATION TO COME THROUGH
WITH A BETTER WORDING AND A

01:44:02.712,01:44:08.483
MORE SIMPLISTIC MANNER.
IT BASICALLY DEALS WITH AS THE
NOTICE OF MOTION SAYS

01:44:08.485,01:44:13.630
SECONDARY SUITES IN
UNDEVELOPED AREAS.
AS WAS NOTED EARLIER IN

01:44:13.632,01:44:20.440
PREVIOUS COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WE
REALIZE I AM AGAINST THE
BLANKET CITY WIDE

01:44:20.442,01:44:22.712
LEGALLIZATION OF SECONDARY
SUITES, BECAUSE MANY
HOMEOWNERS HAVE PURCHASED

01:44:22.714,01:44:28.113
THEIR RESIDENCES IN CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES SPECIFICALLY
BECAUSE THESE COMMUNITIES DO

01:44:28.115,01:44:33.285
NOT HAVE SECONDARY SUITES
ZONING.
CHANGING THE RULES AFTER THE

01:44:33.287,01:44:38.389
FACT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A
FAIR PROCEDURE.
A NEW RULE IMPLEMENTING A

01:44:38.391,01:44:41.953
BLANKET APPROVAL FOR ALL NEW
SUBDIVISIONS IS ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT.

01:44:41.955,01:44:50.096
THIS WOULD ALLOW NEW
HOMEOWNERS THE PRIOR KNOWLEDGE
THAT THIS IS AN OPTION AND USE

01:44:50.098,01:44:55.169
IN THEIR AREA PRIOR TO
PURCHASING.
I THINK IT’S A FANTASTIC IDEA

01:44:55.171,01:45:01.999
THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO –
(INAUDIBLE)
HEY, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY

01:45:02.001,01:45:08.380
ELSE CAN DO THAT, I MIGHT AS
WELL.
IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT

01:45:08.382,01:45:11.923
THEY’RE GETTING INTO PRIOR TO
DOING A PURCHASE RATHER THAN
COMING ALONG AFTER THE FACT

01:45:11.925,01:45:18.627
AND CHANGING THE RULES ON THEM.
NOW, THERE ARE THREE SUBHEADINGS
NOW THROUGH SECTIONS AFTER THE

01:45:18.629,01:45:57.771
“NOW THEREFORE RESOLVED”… >>
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
A SHORT SIDE BAR DISCUSSION

01:45:57.773,01:46:03.117
WITH ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
>> THE FIRST POINT BASICALLY
JUST ADDRESSES THE OPTICS OF

01:46:03.119,01:46:09.790
THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE
REGARDING THE LAND REZONING
PRIOR TO PURCHASING A LOT.

01:46:09.792,01:46:15.290
THE SECOND POINT, BASICALLY,
ADDRESSES LEVELLING THE
PLAYING FIELD SO THAT AMONGST

01:46:15.292,01:46:21.669
DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS SO
THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,
THESE ZONING RULES CAN BE

01:46:21.671,01:46:26.710
EQUAL SO YOU DON’T HAVE UNFAIR
MARKETING ADVANTAGE.
THE THIRD POINT WAS AN ISSUE

01:46:26.712,01:46:33.243
BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE LAW
DEPARTMENT THAT THEY SAY IS –
WOULD ALLOW THIS TO HAVE A

01:46:33.245,01:46:37.149
NECESSARY MANNER TO ENFORCE
THE POLICY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

01:46:37.151,01:46:41.982
DISCUSSION.
PLEASE HONOURABLE COLLEAGUES
CONSIDER IT, DISCUSS IT AND

01:46:41.984,01:46:46.292
THEN VOTE YES TO IT.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I LIKE

01:46:46.294,01:46:52.753
YOUR STISHLGS ALDERMAN DEMONG –
YOUR STYLE.
ALDERMAN FARRELL, YOU’RE STILL

01:46:52.755,01:46:56.292
SECONDING THE REVISED VERSION?
THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN LOWE?

01:46:56.294,01:47:00.493
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
ALDERMAN DEMONG AND I HAVE HAD
A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

01:47:00.495,01:47:05.766
THE DIFFICULTY I HAVE WITH
THIS MOTION, YOUR WORSHIP, IS
THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY COMMUNITY

01:47:05.768,01:47:13.744
WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE LAST
FOUR YEARS, THE R-1 PROPERTIES
HAVE ALL HAD A P DESIGNATED

01:47:13.746,01:47:18.679
R-1 F AND THOSE PIECES OF
THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN
VERY, VERY CAREFULLY PLACED BY

01:47:18.681,01:47:23.578
THE DEVELOPER.
THE ISSUE AROUND SECONDARY
SUITES, WHEN YOU’VE HEARD AS

01:47:23.580,01:47:28.213
MANY COMPLAINTS AS I HAVE OR
AS MANY APPEALS AS I HAVE,
ALWAYS CENTERS AROUND TWO

01:47:28.215,01:47:35.731
THINGS… TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
BY VERY CAREFULLY PLACING THE
R-1F COMPONENT OF THE NEW

01:47:35.733,01:47:43.019
COMMUNITIES ON LANED PRODUCT,
YOU MINIMIZE THE TRAFFIC — OR
THE PARKING ISSUE.

01:47:43.021,01:47:47.351
BY LOCATING THEM VERY
CAREFULLY ON THE PERIPHERAL
EDGES OF COMMUNITIES OR AT

01:47:47.353,01:47:54.753
LEAST AWAY FROM SCHOOLS AND
PLAYGROUNDS, YOU ELIMINATE TO
WHAT EXTENT YOU CAN THE

01:47:54.755,01:48:03.323
TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
SO YOU KNOW, WE’VE DONE A LOT
OF WORK IN LOCATING THE R-1F

01:48:03.325,01:48:07.898
PRODUCT IN THE NEW COMMUNITIES.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE UPDATE
IS GOING TO BE AT THIS POINT

01:48:07.900,01:48:13.267
BUT THE FACT IS PEOPLE MOVING
IN CLEARLY HAVE A CHOICE.
AND CLEARLY, THOSE CHOICES

01:48:13.269,01:48:18.572
HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN SUCH A
WAY AS TO MINIMIZE FUTURE
COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS AS

01:48:18.574,01:48:23.674
THESE COMMUNITIES BUILD OUT.
SO FOR THAT REASON, YOUR
WORSHIP, I WILL NOT BE

01:48:23.676,01:48:26.549
SUPPORTING THE MOTION BEFORE
US.
THANK YOU.

01:48:26.551,01:48:30.458
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN LOWE.
ALDERMAN HODGES?

01:48:30.460,01:48:35.725
>> YES, YOUR WORSHIP.
I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION,
BUT THE ANSWER ACTUALLY IS

01:48:35.727,01:48:43.904
FAIRLY COMPLEX.
HOW IS THE PHRASE “DEVELOPING
AREA” TO BE INTERPRETED IN THE

01:48:43.906,01:48:50.747
CONTEXT OF THE LAND USE BYLAW?
I CAN NAME YOU SOME DEVELOPING
AREAS, BUT I’M SURE MY LIST

01:48:50.749,01:48:57.519
AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT’S
LIST WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.
(INAUDIBLE)

01:48:57.521,01:49:00.725
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SORRY?
>> ACTUALLY I HOPE THEY WOULD
BE THE SAME.

01:49:00.727,01:49:04.364
THAT HIS MAP IN THE LAND USE
BYLAW THAT SHOWS DEVELOPING
AREAS.

01:49:04.366,01:49:08.270
>> THIS DOESN’T SAY THAT HERE.
>> WELL, THAT WAS A — I
BELIEVE THAT’S THE INTENT.

01:49:08.272,01:49:17.810
IT’S THE LAND USE BYLAW SO IT
WOULD BE THE DEVELOPING AREAS,
NOT THE DEVELOPED AREAS.

01:49:17.812,01:49:27.645
>> WELL, YOUR WORSHIP, I THINK
THIS IS GOING TO LEAD TO EVEN
MORE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION

01:49:27.647,01:49:36.958
THAN THERE ARE NOW FOR WHAT IS
R-1 IN A NEW AREA AND WHAT IS
R-1 IN A POTENTIALLY AND

01:49:36.960,01:49:42.827
PARTLY DEVELOPED AREA.
SOME MAY REGARD TUSCANY AS A
DEVELOPING AREA.

01:49:42.829,01:49:48.638
TO ME, IT’S 95% BUILT OUT, BUT
IS THAT A DEVELOPING AREA?
WE GO TO ROCKY RIDGE AND WE

01:49:48.640,01:49:54.075
HAVE THE FAMOUS ACREAGE AREA
AT THE NORTH END OF ROCKY
RIDGE THAT COUNCIL KRPD AT THE

01:49:54.077,01:50:00.140
LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YET ROCKY RIDGE
DEVELOPMENTS BEGAN ABOUT 15,

01:50:00.142,01:50:06.441
16, 17 YEARS AGO.
THEN WE HAVE A TRULY NEW AREA
FOR WHICH NO LAND USE

01:50:06.443,01:50:10.514
DESIGNATIONS HAVE COME IN YET,
UP AT THE NORTH END OF
ALDERMAN LOWE AND ALDERMAN

01:50:10.516,01:50:16.545
STEVENSON’S AREA, WHERE
THERE’S YET TO BE A SINGLE
FOUNDATION POURED, NORTH OF

01:50:16.547,01:50:23.524
STONEY AND UP TOWARDS THE CITY
OF AIRDRIE.
AND WEST OF HIGHWAY 2 NORTH.

01:50:23.526,01:50:29.754
SO I’M NOT SURE THOSE MAPS ARE
IN THE LAND USE BYLAW.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE

01:50:29.756,01:50:35.459
WHAT A DEVELOPING AREA IS
GOING TO BE AND THEN WE GET TO
THE ISSUES THAT ALDERMAN LOWE

01:50:35.461,01:50:42.139
BROUGHT UP, AS TO
ACCOMMODATING PARKING AND
ACCESS PROPERLY.

01:50:42.141,01:50:48.822
A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN
“THE DEVELOPING AREA” IS
SMALLER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY

01:50:48.824,01:50:55.390
R-1 LOT IN THE DEVELOPED AREA,
WHICH IS NOW CALLED RC-1 OF
COURSE.

01:50:55.392,01:51:03.763
SO IF THIS IS THE IDEA, I
THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED
OUT AS TO WHAT IT REALLY MEANS.

01:51:03.765,01:51:07.506
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU
LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO
SAY SOMETHING BUT –

01:51:07.508,01:51:12.844
ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION
FOR YOU BASED ON WHAT ALDERMAN
HODGES WAS JUST SAYING.

01:51:12.846,01:51:17.420
HAIR HIS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT
DEVELOPING AREA MEANS BUT AS I
READ THE MOTION IT ACTUALLY

01:51:17.422,01:51:25.226
NEVER USES THOSE WORDS.
IT JUST SAYS “FOR ALL NEW
APPLICATIONS… EMPLOY R-1 F

01:51:25.228,01:51:28.427
INSTEAD OF R-1 AND REVIEW ALL
CURRENT APPLICATIONS IN THE
PIPELINE .ñ”

01:51:28.429,01:51:31.795
ISN’T THAT CLEAR ENOUGH
DIRECTION FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT?
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR THAT WAS

01:51:31.797,01:51:35.930
CERTAINLY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH
ALDERMAN DEMONG, THE IDEA.
WE’RE NOT GOING BACK AND

01:51:35.932,01:51:40.868
UNDOING ANYTHING.
WHAT WE’RE DOING, IN FACT, IS
REVERSING THE SITUATION NOW

01:51:40.870,01:51:46.826
WHERE, IF YOU WANT R-1S YOU
HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT.
SECONDARY SUITES WOULD NOW IN

01:51:46.828,01:51:54.701
R-1S WOULD BE SORT OF THE
STANDARD — THEY WOULD BE R-1S.
THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD LOW

01:51:54.703,01:52:00.317
DENSITY DWELLING UNIT DISTRICT
IN THE CITY.
WHETHER YOU CHOSE TO BUILD

01:52:00.319,01:52:05.247
WOULD BE UP TO YOU TO DECIDE,
YOUR BUILDER TO DECIDE OR YOU
TO BUILD AT SOME POINT.

01:52:05.249,01:52:09.415
THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE
NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT
EVEN THOUGH IT IS A PERMITTED

01:52:09.417,01:52:11.981
USE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO
PROVIDE PARKING RESPONSIBLE

01:52:11.983,01:52:16.293
AND SO ON TO THERE’S SOME
ISSUES AROUND THAT.
ALDERMAN LOWE IS ABSOLUTELY

01:52:16.295,01:52:22.333
RIGHT AS IS ALDERMAN HODGES
THAT THE LOT SIZES ARE MUCH
SMALLER IN A DEVELOPING AREA

01:52:22.335,01:52:27.907
THAN THEY ARE IN THE DEVELOPED
BUT IN REALLY SAYS, FROM NOW
ON, IF THIS IS PASSED, THE

01:52:27.909,01:52:34.576
STANDARD WOULD BE THAT YOU
COME IN FOR R-1, WE WOULD SAY,
WELL, ACTUALLY WILL ISN’T ANY

01:52:34.578,01:52:41.717
R-1 ANYMORE, IT’S R-1 S, THAT
MEANS YOU CAN HAVE A SECONDARY
SUITE IN THE FUTURE OR IF YOU

01:52:41.719,01:52:45.385
DEVELOP IT NOW.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO
CERTAINLY AS WE GET DOWN –

01:52:45.387,01:52:54.062
RIGHT NOW, AS COUNCIL KNOWS,
THERE IS AN R-1 NARROW S OR
R-1 S NARROW WHICH IS ALREADY

01:52:54.064,01:52:59.690
EXISTING SO WE FIND WAYS TO
PUT SECONDARY SUITES INTO
SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WE’RE

01:52:59.692,01:53:05.462
SUGGESTING OR EVEN TALKING
ABOUT IN THIS MOTION.
AND THEN THERE’S — SORRY,

01:53:05.464,01:53:09.093
WORSHIP, I DON’T WANT TO GO ON
TOO LONG BUT THERE’S ABOUT
SEVEN APPLICATIONS IN THE

01:53:09.095,01:53:15.744
PIPELINE TODAY, ABOUT 22
HECTARES THAT HAVE –
OF R-1 THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE

01:53:15.746,01:53:18.741
PLANNING DEPARTMENT GOING
THROUGH THE PIPELINE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND

01:53:18.743,01:53:23.609
LOOK AT THOSE AND THAT’S WHAT
THE SECOND NUMBER 2 IS ALL
ABOUT, IS TO LOOK AT THOSE

01:53:23.611,01:53:28.674
ONES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, Mr. WATSON.

01:53:28.676,01:53:34.282
OH, WE HAVE LOTS OF LIGHTS ON.
I’M GOING TO LOSE MY POOL.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?

01:53:34.284,01:53:38.452
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
PERHAPS FIRST QUESTION TO
ALDERMAN DEMONG THAT HE MIGHT

01:53:38.454,01:53:42.856
AGREES IN HIS CLOSE.
IS HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO
CONSULT WITH INDUSTRY ON THIS

01:53:42.858,01:53:45.893
MATTER?
AND WHAT IS WHAT HAS THEIR
RESPONSE BEEN?

01:53:45.895,01:53:51.771
>> QUESTIONS DO PERHAPS
Mr. WATSON AND MAYBE Mr. TOLLE
AT SOME POINT AS WELL.

01:53:51.773,01:53:56.610
WILL THIS IN FACT BE TO SOME
COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE
CONSEQUENCES OR COUNTER

01:53:56.612,01:54:03.503
DESIRABLE CONSEQUENCES AS
ALDERMAN LOWE SUGGESTED AND
I’M GOING WONDER IF IN FACT

01:54:03.505,01:54:08.072
THIS MIGHT PERVERSELY LEAD TO
LESS OPTIONS FOR US IN TERMS
OF DEVELOPMENT IN SOME OF

01:54:08.074,01:54:13.918
THESE AREAS, BY RESTRICTING
AND HAVING A BLANKET R-1S,
WILL THAT CREATE SOME

01:54:13.920,01:54:18.359
CONSTRAINTS THAT WILL SUPPORT
INNOVATIVE DESIGN WORK AND
PERHAPS MAXIMUM MITZ THE

01:54:18.361,01:54:28.768
NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT MIGHT
BE AVAILABLE?
>> TO THE CHAIR, YOUR WORSHIP –

01:54:28.770,01:54:32.239
>> I CAN’T THINK WHAT THOSE
WOULD BE.
SO –

01:54:32.241,01:54:38.142
MY SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
IF –
SORRY, NO, IT WOULD –

01:54:38.144,01:54:42.680
>> NO, YOU’RE SAYING ON THE
FACE OF IT, THERE WOULD NOT BE
A CONSTRAINT.

01:54:42.682,01:54:46.891
>> I CAN’T SEE –
THERE’S MANY, MANY DISTRICTS
FROM IN CALGARY WHERE –

01:54:46.893,01:54:50.649
WE ALREADY KNOW, THERE’S
SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IN WHAT
IS MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICTS.

01:54:50.651,01:54:54.856
HAVING A DISTRICT AND A ZONING
DOESN’T MEAN YOU NECESSARILY
HAVE TO BUILD TO THE MAXIMUM

01:54:54.858,01:54:59.701
OF THAT ZONING.
IT JUST GIVES YOU A LIST OF
USES THAT YOU CAN PUT ON A LOT.

01:54:59.703,01:55:05.514
SO I’M NOT SURE THAT, IN
LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION
DESIGN AND THE LOT LAYOUT,

01:55:05.516,01:55:09.223
THAT THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT
THINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT WOULD BE UP TO THE

01:55:09.225,01:55:16.401
DEVELOPER/BUILDER TO DECIDE
HOW THEY DO THAT AND UP TO THE
PURCHASER AT EVEN THE SHORT

01:55:16.403,01:55:19.602
TERM OR THE LONG TERM TO
DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON
THE LAND.

01:55:19.604,01:55:25.368
>> THANK YOU.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, PERHAPS
MIGHT HAVE OTHER CONSEQUENCES…

01:55:25.370,01:55:31.650
I’M INTERESTED IN THE POSITIONS
THAT DEVELOPERS — I SUPPOSE
IN PARTICULAR — HAVE MADE IN

01:55:31.652,01:55:37.416
LAND FIVE, TEN, TWENTY-YEAR
TIME HORIZONS WITH CERTAIN
EXPECTATIONS AS TO THE DENSE

01:55:37.418,01:55:43.484
ITS AND ZONES ZONING THAT THEY
MIGHT HAVE REASONABLY EXPECTED.
WHAT MIGHT THE IMPACT BE

01:55:43.486,01:55:47.686
BEFORE OUTLINE APPROVAL?
THESE ARE INVESTMENTS MADE
WITH SOME UNDERSTANDINGS — I

01:55:47.688,01:55:50.259
THINK REGION UNDERSTANDINGS OF
WHAT THEIR ZONING MIGHT LOOK
LIKE.

01:55:50.261,01:55:53.626
WOULD THIS IMPACT THE VALUE OF
THOSE INVESTMENTS, DO YOU
THINK?

01:55:53.628,01:55:59.534
AND IF SO, WOULD THOSE IMPACTS
BE,ABLE?

01:55:59.536,01:56:05.074
BE ACTIONABLE?
>> WELL, THROUGH THE CHAIR –
WE’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS

01:56:05.076,01:56:09.219
VALUE AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS
WOULD IMPACT VALUE OR NOT.
AND YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,

01:56:09.221,01:56:16.143
DEVELOPERS LOOK 20 YEARS OUT
AND HAVE SOME EXPECTATIONS,
BUT REALL, THOSE AREN’T

01:56:16.145,01:56:22.552
REALIZED UNTIL YOU COME DOWN
TO THE ACTUAL OUTLINE PLANNED
DISCUSSIONS WHICH ARE IN THE

01:56:22.554,01:56:30.026
CONTEXT OF THE POLICY OR THE
AREA PLAN THAT’S APPROVED FOR
THE AREA.

01:56:30.028,01:56:38.164
SO I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS
IS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT THAT
EQUATION AND Mr. TOBERT IS

01:56:38.166,01:56:42.169
POISED –
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS, NO ONE

01:56:42.171,01:56:47.669
KNOWS WHAT 20 YEARS WILL BE
LIKE AND WHEN THEY BUY LAND OR
TAKE OPTIONS OUT ON LAND I’M

01:56:47.671,01:56:56.040
SURE THEY DO A PRO FORMA TO
SAY BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW
TODAY, THIS SHOULD MAKE MONEY.

01:56:56.042,01:57:01.711
20 YEARS FROM NOW I’M SURE
THEY’RE MAKING PROGNOSTICATIONS
BASED ON FUTURE ASSUMPTIONS

01:57:01.713,01:57:04.514
BUT NO ONE GUESSES THE FUTURE
CORRECTLY SO EVERYONE TAKES A
CHANCE.

01:57:04.516,01:57:07.319
THERE’S A RISK INVOLVED THAT
THE WORLD WILL CHANGE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AND

01:57:07.321,01:57:11.361
IT’S NOT OUR JOB TO MITIGATE
EVERYONE’S RISKS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT AND

01:57:11.363,01:57:16.265
LET’S TAKE THE FIVE-YEAR
HORIZON WHICH MIGHT BE MORE –
DOESN’T REALLY MATTER.

01:57:16.267,01:57:22.694
WHATEVER THE TIME HORIZON IS,
I SUPPOSE THAT IT IS A RISK
AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS

01:57:22.696,01:57:26.968
GOING TO GO WITH THIS.
I THINK WE’VE ADDED ANOTHER
ELEMENT OF REGULATORY RISK AND

01:57:26.970,01:57:30.336
WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER
CAREFULLY FROM A POLICY POINT
OF VIEW AFTER CONSULTATION

01:57:30.338,01:57:33.979
WITH INDUSTRY EXPERTS AS TO
WHAT THIS DOES TO OUR
REGULATORY RISK, BECAUSE THAT

01:57:33.981,01:57:39.386
IS ONE OF THE MAJOR RISKS IN
DEVELOPMENT COST.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: –

01:57:39.388,01:57:45.561
>> IF COUNCIL WISHES TO
UNDERTAKE ACTION TO PUT THE
MDP IN PLACE, YOU NEED TO DO

01:57:45.563,01:57:48.465
THINGS.
YOU NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS TO
CHANGE THE FUTURE.

01:57:48.467,01:57:52.595
BECAUSE IF YOU DON’T MAKE A
DECISION THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR
FUTURE IT CERTAINLY WON’T TAKE

01:57:52.597,01:57:57.331
PLACE.
SO IF THERE’S AN ASPIRATION TO
ACCOMPLISH WHAT WAS IN PLANET,

01:57:57.333,01:58:05.378
YOU NEED TO TAKE STEPS.
>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING WITHOUT
INDUSTRY CONSULTATION, WHETHER

01:58:05.380,01:58:08.249
SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS HAVE
BEEN MADE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WHEN

01:58:08.251,01:58:12.658
DEVELOPERS ACQUIRE LAND, THERE
ARE MANY UNKNOWNS.
THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THE

01:58:12.660,01:58:14.626
INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO BE
LIKE.
THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT

01:58:14.628,01:58:17.964
CONSTRUCTION, INFLATION IS
GOING TO BE LIKE.
THERE ARE ALWAYS RISKS.

01:58:17.966,01:58:22.071
YOU CANNOT AVOID THEM.
YOU MITIGATE THEM.
AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT

01:58:22.073,01:58:25.740
INCREASING THE DENSITY OF A
PIECE OF LAND ENHANCES THE
VALUE OF THE LAND.

01:58:25.742,01:58:31.274
IT DOESN’T DETRACT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A NECESSARY
OFFSET THAT WOULD ACTUALLY

01:58:31.276,01:58:34.949
REDUCE FINANCIAL RISKS IN
OTHER CATEGORIES.
IT WOULDN’T INCREASE IT.

01:58:34.951,01:58:38.281
OF COURSE THAT’S MY OPINION.
>> AND I FULLY RESPECT THAT
OPINION.

01:58:38.283,01:58:41.484
I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE
INTERESTS OF OPEN, FAIR AND
TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT THAT

01:58:41.486,01:58:47.495
MOVES AUCH SUCH AS THIS SHOULD
BE DONE IN CONSULTATION WITH
OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS.

01:58:47.497,01:58:51.170
>> THAT’S COUNCIL’S WISH, YOUR
WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU, Mr. TOBERT.

01:58:51.172,01:58:56.335
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN JONES?

01:58:56.337,01:59:00.807
>> WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT
ALDERMAN POOTMANS JUST SAID
AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

01:59:00.809,01:59:05.416
WITH A NEW AGREEMENT ABOUT TO
BE SIGNED WITH THE INDUSTRY,
AND I DON’T KNOW WHO I SHOULD

01:59:05.418,01:59:09.247
ASK THIS QUESTION TO — THE
NEW AGREEMENT ABOUT TO BE
SIGNED WITH THE INDUSTRY, DID

01:59:09.249,01:59:14.157
THIS EVER COME UP?
BECAUSE VIRTUALLY WE’RE
ELIMINATING OUR ONE –

01:59:14.159,01:59:18.941
WE’RE ELIMINATING R-1
ALTOGETHER.
>> I THINK ALDERMAN DEMONG

01:59:18.943,01:59:23.606
WILL SPAECHBLGT I THINK HE HAS
HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH
MEMBERS OF INDUSTRY BUT I HAVE

01:59:23.608,01:59:29.518
NOT.
>> BUT DON’T YOU SEE THIS AS
TOTALLING ELIMINATE R-1 >> IT

01:59:29.520,01:59:34.915
ELIMINATES IT EXCEPT WHERE IT
ALREADY EXISTS TODAY WHICH
ISN’T IS A LOT OF AREAS, A LOT

01:59:34.917,01:59:38.216
OF PLACES.
R-1 WILL STILL EXIST BUT IT
WILL ELIMINATE IT GOING

01:59:38.218,01:59:41.582
FORWARD IN NEW AREAS.
>> MAYBE I SHOULD ASK THIS
QUESTION AND IT’S PROBABLY AN

01:59:41.584,01:59:45.215
UNFAIR QUESTION.
HOW MANY AREAS THAT HAVE NOT
BEEN –

01:59:45.217,01:59:50.480
THAT HAVE BEEN DONE –
OTHER WAY TO ASK THIS, HOW
MANY AREAS ARE THERE YET TO

01:59:50.482,01:59:56.126
COME THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
ASSIGNED LAND USE?
>> UM, I’VE GOT THE DOCUMENT

01:59:56.128,02:00:00.032
HERE BUT I DON’T HAVE THE
NUMBER SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO
GIVE ME –

02:00:00.034,02:00:04.842
WE JUST RELEASED THIS ON
FRIDAY.
WE HAVE ABOUT — SOMEWHERE

02:00:04.844,02:00:10.807
BETWEEN TWELVE YEARS OF LAND
THAT’S ALREADY PLANNED AND PRD
TO GO, NOT BUILT ON YET, WITH

02:00:10.809,02:00:16.544
LAND USE IN PLACE SO I MEAN,
THERE’S A NUMBER THAT HAVE NOT
BEEN BUILT ON, AND THEN BEYOND

02:00:16.546,02:00:23.623
THAT, WE’RE UNDERTAKING FOR
ASPs AS WE CURRENTLY STAND
HERE TODAY AND THEN BEYOND

02:00:23.625,02:00:29.134
THAT, I KNOW — I’VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS
OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS

02:00:29.136,02:00:33.041
THAT THERE’S AT LEAST ANOTHER
THREE AREAS THAT THEY WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE THEM DONE BY THE

02:00:33.043,02:00:37.237
END OF THIS YEAR IF THEY COULD,
IF WE HAD THE STAFF AND THE
ABILITY SO THE –

02:00:37.239,02:00:41.944
>> SO THIS WOULD AFFECT ALL
THE ONES THAT DON’T HAVE ASPs
TO DATE?

02:00:41.946,02:00:49.549
>> THIS, AS I INTERPRET THIS,
THIS WOULD CATCH ANYTHING THAT
DOES NOT HAVE AN OUTLINE PLAN,

02:00:49.551,02:00:57.923
LAND USE APPLICATION IN FRONT
OF US GOING FORWARD.
>> SO IT KIND OF SETS A DOUBLE

02:00:57.925,02:00:59.729
STANDARD, DOESN’T IT?
>> WELL, IT WILL SET A
STANDARD THAT WILL WILL BE

02:00:59.731,02:01:02.568
SOME AREAS OF THE CITY THAT
WILL HAVE R-1 WHERE YOU CANNOT
HAVE IS A SECONDARY SUITE AND

02:01:02.570,02:01:09.283
AS YOU GO FARTHER OUT YOU’LL
HAVE R-1S AND IF YOU WISH CAN
HAVE A SECONDARY SUITE SO I’M

02:01:09.285,02:01:12.618
NOT STEUER SURE IT’S A DOUBLE
STANDARD.
IT’S A DIFFERENT STANDARD.

02:01:12.620,02:01:17.118
IT’S MUCH LIKE YOU KNOW,
YOU’VE GOT DIFFERENT ZONING
NOW, SERMS YOU’VE GOT, SOME

02:01:17.120,02:01:22.148
YOU DON’T.
BUT THIS — MY INTERPRETATION
OF THIS, WOULD BE COUNCIL’S

02:01:22.150,02:01:26.220
DIRECTION FOR NEWER AREAS AND
AGAIN ALDERMAN DEMONG WILL
SPEAK TO THAT IN HIS CLOSE IF

02:01:26.222,02:01:32.069
THAT’S HIS INTENT BUT –
ANY NEW AREA WHERE A DEVELOPER
OR BUILDER WOULD LIKE TO HAVE

02:01:32.071,02:01:40.346
R-1 IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL BE
CALLED R-1S, THAT WILL HAVE
SECONDARY SUITES INCLUDED IN

02:01:40.348,02:01:45.517
THE LIST OF USES.
>> AND IF I RECALL, WHEN WE –
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, TWO OR

02:01:45.519,02:01:50.555
THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO,
PROBABLY, WHEN WE ADDED THE
R-1S DESIGNATION IN CERTAIN

02:01:50.557,02:01:56.851
AREAS OF THE CITY TO ALLOW FOR
THE SECONDARY SUITES IN THOSE
AREAS, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT

02:01:56.853,02:02:01.893
OF PUSHBACK AT THAT TIME AS
WELL, THEY ACCEPTED IT BUT
THEY ACCEPTED IT RELUCTANTLY

02:02:01.895,02:02:09.134
IF I RECALL.
>> I SEEM TO REMEMBER THERE
WAS SOME PUSHBACK.

02:02:09.136,02:02:13.574
THERE SEEMS TO BE ALWAYS SOME
PUSHBACK EVERY TIME COUNCIL
DECIDES A DIFFERENT DIRECTION

02:02:13.576,02:02:19.844
BUT –
IT’S USED NOW.
AS ALDERMAN LOWE POINTS OUT WE

02:02:19.846,02:02:24.282
USE IT AT PLANNING COMMISSION,
COUNCIL APPROVES IT,
DEVELOPERS — I MEAN, THEY

02:02:24.284,02:02:28.618
WOULD MUCH RATHER NOT HAVE ANY
RULES AT ALL AND JUST TELL US
WHAT THEY’RE DOING BUT –

02:02:28.620,02:02:33.257
>> SO BY APPROVING THIS
WITHOUT DISCUSSION WITH THE
INDUSTRY, IS IT KIND OF LIKE

02:02:33.259,02:02:37.462
WE’RE DOING AN AGREEMENT OUR
WAY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR
NOT.

02:02:37.464,02:02:42.299
LIKE, THE POINT OF NEGOTIATING,
IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO TALK
ABOUT IT?

02:02:42.301,02:02:47.200
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I MEAN,
THAT CERTAINLY IS COUNCIL’S
WISH, IF THAT IS NEGOTIATION

02:02:47.202,02:02:51.562
THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE — OR
COUNCIL WANTS TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT INDUSTRY THINKS ABOUT IT,

02:02:51.564,02:02:56.599
THERE’S VARIOUS WAYS OF DOING
THAT.
>> I SEEM TO REMEMBER IT IN A

02:02:56.601,02:03:00.306
SECONDARY SUITE DEBATE WEIGHED
COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT I GO
GENERALLY INDUSTRY GLASS FAVOR

02:03:00.308,02:03:02.941
OF SECONDARY SUITES BUT I MAY
BE WRONG –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S

02:03:02.943,02:03:07.016
AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION,
BECAUSE THIS IS A FASCINATING
DISCUSSION FOR ME, WHEN WE HAD

02:03:07.018,02:03:11.216
REPRESENTATIONLES FROM UDI AND
THE HOME BUILDERS DURING THE
LAST DEBATE SAYING THEY WANT

02:03:11.218,02:03:14.853
MORE SECONDARY SUITES IN EVERY
SINGLE RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY.

02:03:14.855,02:03:19.492
SO IT’S FASCINATING THAT WE’RE
CLAIMING TO SPEAK FOR AN
INDUSTRY THAT IS NOT IN ANY

02:03:19.494,02:03:24.597
WAY SAID THAT WHAT WE’RE
SAYING IS TRUE.
>> I DON’T PLAN TO SPEAK FOR

02:03:24.599,02:03:28.534
THEM BUT I REMEMBER THE
DISCUSSION FOUR YEARS AGO OR
THREE YEARS AGO, ABOUT THE

02:03:28.536,02:03:35.265
PUSHBACK ON R-1S AND IT’S –
YOU KNOW, IT’S DERBY LOOK AT
IT IN THIS ASPECT TOO.

02:03:35.267,02:03:40.038
I’M NOT AN INVESTOR IN AN
INDUSTRY — OR IN THE INDUSTRY
BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE

02:03:40.040,02:03:42.441
INVESTMENT FROM THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE.
SO –

02:03:42.443,02:03:47.182
ANYWAY, I HAVE NO OTHER
QUESTIONS.
THANKS.

02:03:47.184,02:03:51.558
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:03:51.560,02:03:59.603
MY QUESTION IS FOR Mr. WATSON.
THIS MAY BE PA VERY SIMPLE
ANSWER BUT I DON’T UNDERSTAND

02:03:59.605,02:04:06.910
IT.
WE HAVE DENSITY TARGETS OF 8
TO 10 UNITS AND IF THE

02:04:06.912,02:04:12.982
DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED WITH
ALL R-1 OR A BIG SIGNIFICANT
PART OF IT IS R-1, THEN THEY

02:04:12.984,02:04:18.451
HAVE TO HAVE MULTI-FAMILY
UNITS A PART OF THEIR PLAN,
RIGHT?

02:04:18.453,02:04:23.889
AND IN ORDER IT TO REACH THOSE
TARGETS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
IT, THEY’RE GOING TO BE FORCED

02:04:23.891,02:04:29.523
TO BUILD OR WHENEVER THEY
BUILD, THEY HAVE TO BE
MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN ORDER TO

02:04:29.525,02:04:37.533
REACH THOSE TARGETS.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IF THE
WHOLE DEVELOPMENT NOW HAS NO

02:04:37.535,02:04:44.872
R-1, ALL R-1S, IS THAT COUNTED
AS DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF UNITS
IN THE DENSITY TARGETS?

02:04:44.874,02:04:49.714
AND –
AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY
HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY SEE

02:04:49.716,02:04:55.395
HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY
DEVELOP A SECONDARY SUITES
BEFORE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY

02:04:55.397,02:05:00.768
HAVE TO MAKE UP AT THE END OF
THAT DEVELOPMENT?
>> IT’S A VERY GOOD QUESTION

02:05:00.770,02:05:06.737
TO THE CHAIR.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON AND I’VE
NOT SAT DOWN AND THOUGHT

02:05:06.739,02:05:11.040
THROUGH THAT IN TERMS OF A
SPECIFIC APPLICATION,
CERTAINLY WE WOULD HAVE TO

02:05:11.042,02:05:15.743
LOOK AT IT.
A NEIGHBORHOOD OF ALL R-1S
WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT

02:05:15.745,02:05:20.586
THEY’RE ALL BUILT OUT AT THE
SECONDARY SUITES STILL I DON’T
THINK WOULD ACTUALLY MEET SOME

02:05:20.588,02:05:25.828
OF THE NEWER DENSITY TARGETS
SO THERE WOULD STILL BE A
NECESSITY FOR OTHER

02:05:25.830,02:05:32.361
MULTI-FAMILY SITES WITHIN A
NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO DO IT.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

02:05:32.363,02:05:36.299
Mr. WATSON.
BUT THE SNAKT THE DEVELOPER
HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER

02:05:36.301,02:05:41.739
WHO EXERCISES THEIR RIGHT TO
BUILD A SECONDARY SUITE.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT

02:05:41.741,02:05:49.070
THEY COULD HAVE EVERY UNIT IN
THE DEVELOPMENT WITH TWO NUNTS
THE HOUSE OR THEY COULD HAVE

02:05:49.072,02:05:52.067
NONE.
AND WHAT CONTROL DO THEY HAVE
OVER THAT?

02:05:52.069,02:06:00.290
AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE
END RESULT AS FAR AS DENSITY?
>> WELL, INTERESTING ENOUGH

02:06:00.292,02:06:05.124
MOST DEVELOPERS WOULD TELL YOU
THEY WOULD RATHER BUILD SINGLE
FAMILY HOUSES THAN

02:06:05.126,02:06:09.093
MULTI-FAMILY ANYWAY SO IN FACT
IF THEY COULD REACH THE
DENSITY TARGETS BY MAKING IT

02:06:09.095,02:06:13.626
R-1S, I CAN SEE SOME OF THEM
MAKING THAT ARGUMENT IN FRONT
OF US.

02:06:13.628,02:06:16.859
>> BUT THAT WOULDN’T
ACCOMPLISH OUR TARGETS,
BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY

02:06:16.861,02:06:21.491
OF THOSE ARE TAKEN UP.
OKAY.
NOW, THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE

02:06:21.493,02:06:28.567
THAT YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES
AGO I THINK IN RESPONSE TO
ALDERMAN HODGES.

02:06:28.569,02:06:35.372
YOU SAID ABOUT –
THERE WOULD STILL BE A DP
NECESSARY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF

02:06:35.374,02:06:41.149
AN R-1S SUITE.
DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT ON THAT?
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK

02:06:41.151,02:06:45.417
THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROCESS
THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD
STILL –

02:06:45.419,02:06:50.568
DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT’S
PERMITTED OR SESSIONRY –
INVESTIGATIONRY WE WOULD BRING

02:06:50.570,02:06:55.281
A REPORT ON THAT PARTICULAR
QUESTION COMING OUT OF THE
LAST DEBATE ON SECONDARY

02:06:55.283,02:07:01.259
SUITES BUT BECAUSE SECONDARY
SUITES HAS, AS ALDERMAN LOW
RIGHTFULLY POINTED OUT PARKING

02:07:01.261,02:07:05.365
ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES, WE
WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE A
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OF SOME

02:07:05.367,02:07:09.397
SORT.
EVEN IF IT’S A PERMITTED USE
YOU CAN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT

02:07:09.399,02:07:16.279
PERMIT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE
IT MEETS SOME SPECIFIC RULES.
YOU CAN’T REFUSE IT ON THE USE.

02:07:16.281,02:07:20.179
YOU CAN’T REFUSE IT ON THE
ISSUE OF USE BUT YOU CAN
CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION

02:07:20.181,02:07:26.281
TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE IN
THIS CASE SUFFICIENT PARKING
TO ALLOW IT.

02:07:26.283,02:07:32.618
>> YOU REMEMBER THE ISSUE
GOING BACK TO ALDERMAN HODGES’
QUESTION ABOUT WHAT’S A

02:07:32.620,02:07:38.053
DEVELOPING AREA.
YOU REMEMBER THE ISSUE WE HAD
IN MARTINDALE, WHERE IT WAS

02:07:38.055,02:07:46.298
CLASSIFIED AS A DEVELOPING
AREA AND AS A RESULT, AM I
RIGHT ON THAT, IT WAS

02:07:46.300,02:07:49.307
CLASSIFIED AS –
NO, IT WAS KLAFRD PAZ A
DEVELOPED AREA.

02:07:49.309,02:07:54.708
>> A DEVELOPED AREA, THAT’S
RIGHT.
>> AND THEN BECAUSE THERE WER

02:07:54.710,02:07:58.450
WERE — THERE WAS A SECTION
THERE BALLS OF THE OIL WELL
SETBACKS THAT WAS ELIMINATED

02:07:58.452,02:08:03.025
WE GOT TO A POSITION WHERE
BECAUSE IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS
DEVELOPED, EVERY SINGLE HOME

02:08:03.027,02:08:06.791
WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WHICH
THROUGH THE –

02:08:06.793,02:08:10.858
WHICH THREW THE INDUSTRY AND
THE BUILDERS UP IN ARMS.
WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME KIND

02:08:10.860,02:08:18.306
OF A CONCESSION THERE TO ALLOW
THEM JUST TO HAVE BUILDING
PERMITS BUT IS THAT SOMETHING

02:08:18.308,02:08:25.847
THAT WILL AFFECT ALWAYS HERE?
>> WELL, I’M STANDING ON MY
FEET TO REMEMBER THROUGH THE –

02:08:25.849,02:08:29.081
THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP IT’S NOT
MY MOTION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’M

02:08:29.083,02:08:34.205
SURE ALDERMAN DEMONG IS TAKING
LOTS OF NOTES FOR HIS CLOSE.
>> WHEN A BUILDER CAME IN –

02:08:34.207,02:08:38.641
FIRST WE WOULD GET IT ZONED
AND THAT’S UP TO COUNCIL.
COUNCIL DECIDES ZONING, THAT’S

02:08:38.643,02:08:41.814
YOUR POWER.
YOU DECIDE WHETHER IT’S R-1S
OR NOT.

02:08:41.816,02:08:47.756
THEN THE DEVELOPER WOULD OVER
TIME SELL IT OFF TO BUILDERS.
THE BUILD EFFORTS COME TO THE

02:08:47.758,02:08:50.926
COUNTER AND THEY HAVE A
BUILDING PERMIT THAT SHOWS A
SINGLE DETACHED HOUSE, NO

02:08:50.928,02:08:55.093
SUITE, NO NOTHING.
AND THAT GOES THROUGH THE
BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.

02:08:55.095,02:09:01.834
WE DO NOT REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT
PERMITS FOR THOSE.
IF HE CAME IN, HE OR SHE CAME

02:09:01.836,02:09:06.662
IN AND SAID BY THE WAY I’VE
GOT R-1S AND I DECIDED BECAUSE
OF LOCATION OR MARKET OR

02:09:06.664,02:09:10.933
WHATEVER I WANT TO PUT A SUITE
IN THE BASEMENT, WE MAY TELL
THEM TO GO DOWN THE ON THE

02:09:10.935,02:09:18.174
OTHER HAND OF THE COUNTER AND
APPLY FOR A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
BECAUSE I FRANKLY DON’T –

02:09:18.176,02:09:23.544
AGAIN, IT’S MY OPINION, YOUR
WORSHIP, AND I’M SPECULATING
IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS

02:09:23.546,02:09:26.251
DANGEROUS –
I DON’T THINK THAT BUILDERS
ARE GOING TO PUT SUITES IN

02:09:26.253,02:09:31.026
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE.
>> NO, THEY’RE NOT, NO.
>> WE’VE GOT AREAS IN TOWN NOW

02:09:31.028,02:09:35.529
WHERE WE’VE — I MEAN,
GARRISON WOODS, THERE WAS
ACTUALLY AN ITEM AT PLANNING

02:09:35.531,02:09:39.100
COMMISSION THE OTHER DAY,
THERE’S A COUPLE OF AREAS
THERE THAT ALLOW SECONDARY

02:09:39.102,02:09:43.974
SUITES.
SOME OF THEM HAVE IT, SOME OF
THEM DON’T.

02:09:43.976,02:09:48.819
I DON’T THINK YOU WILL SEE
THAT IN ANY PARTICULAR AREA
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE WILL HAVE A

02:09:48.821,02:09:53.723
SECONDARY SUITE.
WHAT IT DOES DO, TO BE FAIR,
TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND

02:09:53.725,02:09:58.049
THIS, THAT 20 YEARS, 15 YEARS,
10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE WHEN
THERE’S A HOMEOWNER IN THAT

02:09:58.051,02:10:04.099
HOUSE, HE OR SHE MAY DECIDE
FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WANT
TO FUTURE A SECONDARY SUITE IN.

02:10:04.101,02:10:09.306
AND THEY WOULD NOT OF COURSE
IN THIS CASE HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS

02:10:09.308,02:10:14.576
THAT WE SEE COMING TO COUNCIL.
ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU…
DO YOU HAVE ANY STATS –

02:10:14.578,02:10:18.748
BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THIS R-1S
IN PLACE FOR A WHILE IN THE
NEW AREAS –

02:10:18.750,02:10:22.018
DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS
STATHS ON HOW MANY OF THE
BUILDERS ARE TAKING UP ON THIS

02:10:22.020,02:10:28.054
AND WHAT NUMBERS, PERCENTAGE
WISE, OF THESE DESIGNATIONS
THAT THEY’RE ACTUALLY BUILDING?

02:10:28.056,02:10:33.927
R-1 Ss IN, SUITES IN?
>> STANDING HERE TO DATE, NO.
I COULD PROBABLY RESEARCH THAT

02:10:33.929,02:10:36.394
BUT I DON’T HAVE THOSE
NUMBERS.
>> THANK YOU, Mr. WATSON.

02:10:36.396,02:10:40.857
WELL, YOUR WORSHIP, I WILL NOT
BE SUPPORTING THIS, FOR A
COUPLE OF REASONS.

02:10:40.859,02:10:48.840
THE FIRST REASON IS THAT WE
HAVE PUT IN THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR R-1Ss IN ALL THE NEW

02:10:48.842,02:10:55.376
DEVELOPING AREAS.
AND WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE U
UPTAKE IS ON THAT AND IF IT

02:10:55.378,02:11:01.182
WOULD BE NECESSARY ACCORDING
TO COUNCIL’S DECISION THAT WE
UPGRADE THEM 2-THE PERCENTAGE

02:11:01.184,02:11:05.725
OF — AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT
THAT PERCENTAGE IS AS FAR AS
HOW MANY ARE DESIGNATED OF A

02:11:05.727,02:11:10.531
NEW DEVELOPMENT, HOW MANY OF
THEM ARE DESIGNATED AS R-1 S
BUT IF WE HAVE A DESIGNATION

02:11:10.533,02:11:16.802
OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, MAYBE
WE MIGHT WANT TO DOUBLE THAT.
BUT I DON’T AGREE WITH US JUST

02:11:16.804,02:11:24.604
TAKING THAT R-1 DESIGNATION
OUT OF ALL FUTURE COMMUNITIES
THAT ARE BEING BUILT.

02:11:24.606,02:11:29.113
THE SECOND REASON — AND I
THINK IT’S — TO ME IT’S AN
IMPORTANT REASON — I BELIEVE

02:11:29.115,02:11:35.010
THAT WHEN WE’RE ATTRACTING NEW
HEAD OFFICES AND NEW
BUSINESSES TO CALGARY, THAT

02:11:35.012,02:11:40.585
THERE’S A NUMBER OF EXECUTIVES
THAT WOULD BE MOVING HERE AND
WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A HOUSE OR

02:11:40.587,02:11:48.128
BUY A NEW HOUSE IN AN R-1 AREA,
AND WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
SAY, SORRY, THAT CHOICE IS NOT

02:11:48.130,02:11:52.658
AVAILABLE UNTIL ANY NEW AREAS,
YOU’LL HAVE TO BUY IN AN OLDER
AREA SO WE’RE ELIMINATING

02:11:52.660,02:12:00.068
CHOICE AND TINK THAT’S THE
WRONG THING FOR US TO DO.
IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE R-1Ss

02:12:00.070,02:12:03.665
AND SIGH ZEE WHAT THE UPTAKE
IS, I WOULD BE FINE WITH
LOOKING AT THAT.

02:12:03.667,02:12:08.237
I JUST DO NOT AGREE WITH
BLANKET THINGS SAYING NEVER IN
THE FUTURE ARE WE GOING TO

02:12:08.239,02:12:14.044
BUILD A NEW AREA WITH ANY R-1s
IN IT SO THAT’S WHY I WON’T
SUPPORT IT, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:12:14.046,02:12:20.552
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, WORSHIP.

02:12:20.554,02:12:25.926
Mr. WATSON, ALONG THE SAME
LINES OF WHAT ALDERMAN
STEVENSON WAS ASKING YOU

02:12:25.928,02:12:31.625
BEFORE, BASED ON A NEW
SUBDIVISION PLAN, IF SOMEBODY
WERE TO COME FORWARD, HAD A

02:12:31.627,02:12:37.470
BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF
PROPOSED R 1ST AND SOME R-1S
AREAS, AND WE SAID TO THEM, NO,

02:12:37.472,02:12:45.174
GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD,
NO R-1s SO THE R-1s WOULD BE
NOW R-1S COULD THEY NOT USE

02:12:45.176,02:12:49.340
THAT AS PART OF THEIR ARGUMENT
THAT THEY POTENTIALLY ARE
INCREASING THEIR DENSITY OR

02:12:49.342,02:12:56.549
ACTUALLY ACHIEVING PA HIGHER
DENSITY BY VIRTUE OF HAVING
ALL R-1Ss, THEREBY MINIMIZING

02:12:56.551,02:13:02.923
OR REDUCING THEIR NEED TO
PROVIDE MULTI-FAMILY?
>> WELL, I — I’VE BEEN DOING

02:13:02.925,02:13:06.297
THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
SKPSHGS, AND I CAN TELL YOU
THAT I’M SURE THAT SOMEBODY

02:13:06.299,02:13:11.643
WILL TRY TO USE THAT ARGUMENT.
I’VE HEARD JUST ABOUT EVERY
ARGUMENT BOTH FORWARD AND

02:13:11.645,02:13:17.785
BACKWARDS ON EVERY ISSUE YOU
CAN IMAGINE.
I’M SAYING I DON’T THINK THE

02:13:17.787,02:13:21.127
PROCESS –
AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN’T SEEN ONE
OF THESE WHERE WE WOULD SIT

02:13:21.129,02:13:28.505
DOWN AND SAY, OH, YEAH, YOU’RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE’VE GOT
ALL R-1ZT S SO SEWER GOING GET

02:13:28.507,02:13:34.935
DOUBLE THE DENSITY FOR ALL
THOSE R-1Ss BECAUSE I DON’T
BELIEVE THE UPTAKE WILL BE

02:13:34.937,02:13:38.276
THAT WAY.
THINKING ABOUT THIS, THE OTHER
WAY TO DO THIS FRANKLY WOULD

02:13:38.278,02:13:43.042
HAVE BEEN, COULD HAVE BEEN TO
TAKE R-1 AND JUST PUT
SECONDARY SUITES INSIDE R-1.

02:13:43.044,02:13:48.381
AND I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF
THE PROPOSALS AT ONE TIME
DURING THE PREVIOUS DENATURE

02:13:48.383,02:13:51.117
YEAR.
ON THE GROUND THERE’S
DISTRICTS THAT HAVE LAND USES

02:13:51.119,02:13:57.828
AND THERE’S A PAGE OF USES.
WHAT WE’RE DOING, REALLY, IS
SAYING R-1S OR YOU COULD SAY

02:13:57.830,02:14:01.698
R-1 WITH SECONDARY SUITES IN
IT AND THAT JUST GIVES YOU ONE
MORE USE.

02:14:01.700,02:14:06.400
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU
WANT TO USE THAT USE.
>> Mr. WATSON, NOTWITHSTANDING

02:14:06.402,02:14:11.638
WHAT’S INDICATED HERE OR BEING
PROPOSED HERE, IF
ADMINISTRATION IS GIVEN

02:14:11.640,02:14:19.914
DIRECTION BY COUNCIL TO
REQUIRE THAT ALL R-1s BE
DESIGNATED AS R-1S, DOES THAT

02:14:19.916,02:14:24.630
MAKE IT HAPPEN OR IS IT STILL
UP TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT
DECISION WHEN THE SUBDIVISION

02:14:24.632,02:14:29.141
PLAN COMES FORWARD?
>> WELL, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT, ALDERMAN CHABOT, IT’S

02:14:29.143,02:14:33.934
COUNCIL’S DECISION TO REZONE
PROPERTY.
MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS

02:14:33.936,02:14:40.240
MOTION IS THAT, GOING FORWARD
AND PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT
BEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN OUTLINE

02:14:40.242,02:14:47.279
PLAN OR A LAND USE APPLICATION,
WE WOULD ASK AND SAY, NO,
YOU’VE GOT TO COME IN AND IT’S

02:14:47.281,02:14:54.247
R-1S.
IVITY R-1 IS A HISTORIC
DISTRICT NOW THAT CONTINUES IN

02:14:54.249,02:14:58.750
CALGARY IN A LARGE NUMBER OF
NEIGHBOURHOODS, WOULD TON
EXIST, THERE WOULD BE NO

02:14:58.752,02:15:02.621
CHANGE TO THAT BUT IN NEW
AREAS EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD
IS NOW R-1S.

02:15:02.623,02:15:09.825
>> I BELIEVE MILE NEXT
QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FOR A
CITY SOLICITOR AND IT’S IN

02:15:09.827,02:15:16.298
REGARDS TO IF ADMINISTRATION
COMES FORWARD WITH A NEW
SUBDIVISION PLAN, WHERE WE’RE

02:15:16.300,02:15:22.572
GOING TO BE REDESIGNATING OR
REZONING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
PROPERTIES, AND COUNCIL

02:15:22.574,02:15:31.387
DECIDES THAT MAYBE THERE’S TOO
MUCH R-1S AND SOME OF THAT
SHOULD BE REVERTED BACK TO R-1s

02:15:31.389,02:15:37.393
AND IT’S GOING TO CHANGE THE
OVERALL DEFENSITY BY VIRTUE OF
HAVING SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS

02:15:37.395,02:15:42.963
MULTI- — OR YOU KNOW, TWO
SUITES, AND WE CHANGE IT OVER
A SIGNIFICANT AREA, WOULD THAT

02:15:42.965,02:15:56.348
REQUIRE READVERTISEMENT?
>> I DON’T — I DON’T THINK IT
WOULD, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:15:56.350,02:16:03.059
IT’S STILL ESSENTIALLY THE
SAME LAND USE DISTRICT, AS I
RECALL.

02:16:03.061,02:16:06.326
I DON’T BELIEVE IT WOULD
REQUIRE A READVERTISEMENT,
Mr. WATT SOON MAY HAVE SOME

02:16:06.328,02:16:14.494
THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.
>> (INAUDIBLE)
>> MICROPHONE.

02:16:14.496,02:16:21.936
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN
COLLEY-URQUHART.
YOU’RE SAYING IF AN RS

02:16:21.938,02:16:25.106
APPLICATION WAS ON THE FLOOR
AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND
COUNCIL SAID NO, WE’VE CHANGED

02:16:25.108,02:16:28.404
OUR MIND, WE WANT IT TO BE R-1,
WOULD THAT REQUIRE
READVERTISING?

02:16:28.406,02:16:34.019
THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS
IF IT’S LESS, NOT MORE, IT
DOESN’T REQUIRE READVERTISING.

02:16:34.021,02:16:39.459
IT’S ONLY WITH YOUR ADDING
THINGS THAT ARE IN ADDITION
THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO

02:16:39.461,02:16:41.892
READVERTISE.
>> INTERESTING.
THANK YOU.

02:16:41.894,02:16:47.025
THANK YOU FOR THAT, Mr. WATSON.
THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.
ACTUALLY, YOU’RE ACTUALLY

02:16:47.027,02:16:51.204
HELPING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT
AS TO WHY WE SHOULD NOT DO
THIS.

02:16:51.206,02:16:56.403
JUST SIMPLY BY THAT SIMPLE
ANSWER THAT YOU JUST GAVE,
THAT R-1 WOULD BE A REDUCTION

02:16:56.405,02:17:03.046
IN DENSITY RATHER THAN AN
INCREASE IN DENSITY.
AND R-1S, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT

02:17:03.048,02:17:07.955
NECESSARILY BE AN INCREASE IN
DENSITY, MAY ACTUALLY APPEAR
AS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY AND

02:17:07.957,02:17:15.797
COULD BE USED AS AN ARGUMENT
TO ALLOW MORE R-1s T THEREBY
ULTIMATELY MAYBE ACTUALLY

02:17:15.799,02:17:22.103
REDUCING THE DENSITY IF NO
SECONDARY SUITES END UP
ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED.

02:17:22.105,02:17:29.238
SO THIS NOTICE OF MOTION,
WHILE I SEE IT’S WELL
INTENTIONED, IS FRAUGHT WITH

02:17:29.240,02:17:37.176
PROBLEMS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
EVEN THE WHEREASES, WHERE IT
SAYS “WHEREAS UNDEVELOPED R-1

02:17:37.178,02:17:45.189
AREAS IN A DEVELOPED AREA DO
NOT INCLUDE SECONDARY SUITES
AS A LISTED USE…”

02:17:45.191,02:17:51.756
UNDEVELOPED R-1 AREAS IN
DEVELOPING AREA.
I’M NOT SURE I QUITE

02:17:51.758,02:18:02.625
UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE THERE
ARE R-1S AREAS IN THE
UNDEVELOPED DEVELOPING AREAS,

02:18:02.627,02:18:07.396
SO I DON’T QUITE UNDERSTAND
WHAT THIS MEANING IS FOR THAT,
FIRST WHEREAS.

02:18:07.398,02:18:11.831
AND THE SECOND WHEREASES, SAYS
“IT’S APPROPRIATE TO ENSURE
THERE’S OPPORTUNITY FOR

02:18:11.833,02:18:16.879
SECONDARY SUITES IN SINGLE
DETACHED DWELLINGS IN ALL LOW
DENSITY LAND USE DISTRICTS IN

02:18:16.881,02:18:22.383
NEW UNDEVELOPED COMMUNITIES IN
THE DEVELOPING AREA” AND YET
BOTH OF THE TWO WHEREASES

02:18:22.385,02:18:27.889
DON’T ACTUALLY REFER TO THE
OPERATIVE CLAUSE OF THE NOW
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED

02:18:27.891,02:18:32.353
BECAUSE THIS IS TALKING ABOUT
LAND USE AREAS THAT ARE NEW
AREAS THAT CURRENTLY DON’T

02:18:32.355,02:18:38.792
HAVE ANY LAND USE, THAT ARE
S-FUD, FUTURE URBAN
DEVELOPMENT.

02:18:38.794,02:18:43.324
SO THE TWO WHEREASES DON’T
EVEN REFER TO THE OPERATIVE
CLAUSES OF THE NOW THEREFORE

02:18:43.326,02:18:46.498
BE IT RESOLVED.
AND FURTHER NOR THE SECOND
WHEREAS –

02:18:46.500,02:18:51.069
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WHILE
I HEAR YOUR POINT, ALDERMAN
CHABOT, I’M NOT SURE TODAY IS

02:18:51.071,02:18:54.507
THE DAY FOR A CLASS ON
LEGISLATIVE DRAFTING.
OUR DEE BAIT REALLY IS ABOUT

02:18:54.509,02:18:57.781
THE OPERATIVE CLAUSE ON ALL OF
THIS.
>> THANK YOU, SO HERE IS MY

02:18:57.783,02:19:02.546
DEBATE AS TO WHY I’M NOT GOING
TO SUPPORT IT.
WHICH INCLUDES THE REFERENCE

02:19:02.548,02:19:08.962
TO THE WHEREASES AND THE NOW
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED
PORTIONS OF IT, THE ENTIRE

02:19:08.964,02:19:20.244
NOTICE OF MOTION IN MY OPINION
IS NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT AND
DOES NOT FLOW WELL.

02:19:20.246,02:19:23.648
THE OPERATIVE CLAUSE, NOW
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION BE DIRECTED

02:19:23.650,02:19:30.851
ON ALL LAND USE REDESIGNATION
APPLICATIONS RECEIVED AFTER
THE ADOPTION OF THIS MOTION –

02:19:30.853,02:19:35.888
WE’RE NOW GOING TO FORCE
ADMINISTRATION TO IMPOSE ONTO
THE DEVELOPERS THE REQUIREMENT

02:19:35.890,02:19:48.197
FOR THEM TO CHANGE ANY
POTENTIAL R-1s TO R-1S, THEREBY
GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO

02:19:48.199,02:19:54.973
INCLUDE MORE R-1s BY VIRTUE OF
CLAIMING THAT THEY’RE
ACHIEVING A HIGHER DENSITY

02:19:54.975,02:20:00.342
BECAUSE THERE’S POTENTIAL FOR
A SECONDARY SUITE.
AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF

02:20:00.344,02:20:04.549
MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS.
OF COURSE THE DEVELOPERS WILL
BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, FOR A

02:20:04.551,02:20:09.782
COUPLE OF REASONS… ONE, IT
INCREASES THE NUMBER OF R-1s –
ACTUALLY REDUCES THE OTHER ALL

02:20:09.784,02:20:14.287
DENSITY AND TWO, POTENTIALLY
INCREASELES THE PROPERTY VALUE
OF EACH ONE OF THOSE UNITS

02:20:14.289,02:20:21.194
BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT S
DESIGNATE TOUR WHICH
POTENTIALLY COULD END UP BEING

02:20:21.196,02:20:26.338
DEVELOPED TO A HIGHER DENSITY,
INCREASING THEIR VALUE.
SECOND, REVIEW ALL CURRENT

02:20:26.340,02:20:31.481
APPLICATIONS PROPOSING R-1 OR
AN APPROPRIATE R-1S INSTEAD OF
R-1, SAME ISSUE.

02:20:31.483,02:20:36.345
AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS
ALL THE MAUT MATLY COUNCIL’S
DECISION STOTZ AS TO WHETHER

02:20:36.347,02:20:40.988
OR NOT THEY’RE GOING TO
APPROVE R OR R-1S AND CHANGE
TO MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT

02:20:40.990,02:20:46.019
FALLOON REFLECT THIS DIRECTION
JUST BASED ON MY PREVIOUS
ARGUMENT, WE’RE LOOKING AT

02:20:46.021,02:20:50.721
POTENTIALLY REDUCING THE
REQUIRED DEFENSITY AS OPPOSED
TO INCREASING IT?

02:20:50.723,02:20:59.455
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A — I
GUESS AN INTEREST IN RAISING
THE BAR, NOT LOWERING THE BAR.

02:20:59.457,02:21:03.361
AND IN MY OPINION THIS
ACTUALLY ENDS UP LOWERING THE
BEHALF ULTIMATELY.

02:21:03.363,02:21:06.890
SO I’M NOT GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING THIS.
AND I WOULD URGE DO YOU KNOW

02:21:06.892,02:21:11.065
NOT TO SUPPORT IT EITHER.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN CHABOT.

02:21:11.067,02:21:16.799
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> WELL, I’VE GOT A COUPLE OF
THINGS TO SAY.

02:21:16.801,02:21:21.139
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE HIS
WORSHIP’S POINT IN RESPONSE T
TO –

02:21:21.141,02:21:24.176
AND I’LL START BY SAYING I’M
DEFINITELY NOT GOING
SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

02:21:24.178,02:21:29.080
AND I WANT TO SORT OF FLESH
OUT SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS I’VE
HEARD HERE TODAY.

02:21:29.082,02:21:36.224
I WILL REITERATE HIS WORSHIP’S
POINT TO ALDERMAN POOTMANS’
QUESTION AS TOO WHETHER WHY

02:21:36.226,02:21:39.665
THERE WAS NO INDUSTRY
CONSULTATION.
INDUSTRY’S POSITION, THE UDI,

02:21:39.667,02:21:45.170
THE CHBA, WAS IN SUPPORT OF A
BLANKET ALLOWING OF SECONDARY
SUITES ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

02:21:45.172,02:21:52.746
THEY’RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF
SECONDARY SUITES, THEY ARE
PROVEN GENERATORS OF VALUE FOR

02:21:52.748,02:21:57.064
PROPERTIES.
IT’S THAT SIMPLE.
ACROSS NORTH AMERICA.

02:21:57.066,02:22:02.735
THE OTHER ISSUES THAT ALDERMAN
POOTMANS BROUGHT UP WAS THE
QUESTION AS TO CURTAILING

02:22:02.737,02:22:07.003
INNOVATION WHICH I THINK IS A
VERY INTERESTING POINT, AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF OFFER MY

02:22:07.005,02:22:11.614
INSNIGTS THIS AND I’VE GOT TWO
EXAMPLES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
BRING TO THE TAKE.

02:22:11.616,02:22:15.647
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM A RECENT
SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT
APPEAL BOARD HEARING THAT I

02:22:15.649,02:22:22.592
HEARD ON A SECONDARY SUITE IN
SIMONS VALLEY AND WHAT YOU
HAVE IN SIMONS VALLEY ARE A

02:22:22.594,02:22:28.532
COUPLE OF AREAS THAT ARE ALL
BUILT AS WALK-OUTS, THEY’RE
ALL FUNCTIONING AS DE FACTO

02:22:28.534,02:22:35.139
SECONDARY SUITES AND THE ROAD
SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED
TO ALLOW FOR ALL THE EXTRA

02:22:35.141,02:22:42.447
TRAFFIC.
AND IN FACT, THE PARTICULAR
SECTIONRY SUITE THAT WE HEARD

02:22:42.449,02:22:48.982
WAS IN FACT IN MY OPINION NOT
NECESSARILY EVEN A SECONDARY
SUITE, IT WAS A FAMILY THAT

02:22:48.984,02:22:56.190
WAS LIVING IN WALK-OUTHOUSE.
THE SON AND HIS WIFE AND THEIR
KID WERE HAVING A HOUSE BUILT

02:22:56.192,02:23:01.498
IN ANOTHER PART OF SIMONS
VALLEY AND THE HOUSE IS BEING
DEVELOPED AND IN THE INTERIM

02:23:01.500,02:23:06.140
THEY MOVED IN WITH THE PARENTS.
THEY WERE LIVING IN THE
BASEMENT WHICH HAD A WALK-OUT

02:23:06.142,02:23:11.641
WHICH THE CURRENT OWNERS HAD
PURCHASED DEVELOPED.
IT HAD BEEN DEVELOPED BY A

02:23:11.643,02:23:18.374
PREVIOUS OWNER, THERE WAS A
KITCHEN NET THE BASEMENT, BUT
EVERYBODY ENTERED AND ACCESSED

02:23:18.376,02:23:24.241
FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
AND SO FAMILY OF FOUR ADULTS,
THERE WAS A FLEET OF VEHICLES,

02:23:24.243,02:23:29.023
THERE WAS A BUNCH OF STORAGE
IN THE GARAGE AND THEY PARKED
TWO ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN

02:23:29.025,02:23:36.424
TWO IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND
THEY WERE JUST ONE OF MANY –
MANY RESIDENCES IN THAT

02:23:36.426,02:23:39.864
COMMUNITY THAT WERE DOING THAT.
THE FACT IS THAT THE ROADS
WERE PACKED.

02:23:39.866,02:23:46.140
AND IT CREATED AN ISSUE.
AND SO I HAVE A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF UNDERSTANDING FOR

02:23:46.142,02:23:53.671
THE LEERINESS THAT MY FELLOW
COUNCILORS, ESPECIALLY WHO
HAVE CONSTITUENTS LIVING IN

02:23:53.673,02:23:58.138
THOSE KINDS OF AREAS, ARE
FACING BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT
OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THERE

02:23:58.140,02:24:03.008
BEING VERY LITTLE TO NO
PARKING BECAUSE YOU HAVE FRONT
DRIVEWAYS ONTO THE STREET AND

02:24:03.010,02:24:07.517
VIRTUALLY NOLL ROOM BETWEEN
BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS FUR
ON-STREET PARKING AND IT

02:24:07.519,02:24:14.889
BECOMES A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
SO THAT IS THE QUESTION IN
TERMS OF CURTAILING INNOVATION.

02:24:14.891,02:24:19.721
WHAT I’M PUTTING TO YOU IS
THAT IF EVERYONE IS SUPPOSED
TO BE IN A SECONDARY SUITE AND

02:24:19.723,02:24:26.195
IT’S GOING TO FORCE THE DESIGN
OF THESE COMMUNITIES TO ALTER
A LITTLE BIT AND THAT

02:24:26.197,02:24:30.000
ALTERATION WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW
FOR WAY MORE INFORMATION THAN
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND I WOULD

02:24:30.002,02:24:35.912
LIKE TO BRING UP AS A SECOND
POINT WE RECENTLY HEARD
ANOTHER IN THIS COUNCIL

02:24:35.914,02:24:43.784
CHAMBER, WE HEARD A LAND USE
APPLICATION FOR ANOTHER AREA
OF SEEM UNIONS VALLEY –

02:24:43.786,02:24:48.885
OF SEEM UNIONS VALLEY AND –
SIMONS VALLEY AND ALDERMAN
LOWE BROUGHT FORWARD A PLAN

02:24:48.887,02:24:54.126
THAT HAD BEEN DESIGNED TO
ALLOW R-1Ss ON CORNER LOTS
WHERE THE CORNER CONDITION

02:24:54.128,02:24:58.656
WOULD ALLOW ENOUGH ON-STREET
PARKING SO THAT IT WOULDN’T
BECOME A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR THE

02:24:58.658,02:25:04.496
REST OF THE AREA.
I POINTED OUT THAT ALTHOUGH
THE SCRUPULOUS DESIGN OF THE

02:25:04.498,02:25:10.967
AREA HAD SORT OF ALLOWED FOR
R-1Ss WHERE THEY WOULD BE
MINIMALLY IMPACT FULL TO THE

02:25:10.969,02:25:14.506
REST OF THE KMURNGTS THE REST
OF THE DESIGN HAD SOME SERIOUS
ISSUES, INCLUDING HAVING

02:25:14.508,02:25:20.056
EXTENSIVE FENCES ONTO PUBLIC
ROAD THAT WERE PRIVATELY
MAINTAINED, CREATING MORE OF

02:25:20.058,02:25:25.284
THE ISSUE WE’RE HAVING THERE.
I THINK THE REALITY IS THE WAY
WE’RE BUILDING, THE WAY WE’RE

02:25:25.286,02:25:29.356
SORT OF BUILDING OUR
COMMUNITIES BRIGHT NOW, ARE
DESIGNED FOR SINGLE PURPOSES,

02:25:29.358,02:25:35.608
WE’RE PACKING THEM IN AS TIGHT
AS POSSIBLE AND IT DOESN’T
ALLOW FOR INNOVATION OR FOR

02:25:35.610,02:25:44.307
CHANGE OVER TIME OAR FOR ALL
KINDS OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES
THAT EXIST IN MORE ROBUSTLY

02:25:44.309,02:25:50.287
DESIGNED URBAN VIMPTS.
AND SO IS A SIMPLE R-1S WILL
BE ONE OF MANY THINGS, ONE OF

02:25:50.289,02:25:55.099
MANY THINGS THAT IS FORCING US
TO ACTUALLY INNOVATE HOW WE DO
OUR SUBDIVISION DESIGN AND

02:25:55.101,02:26:01.297
MAKE THEM COFFIN HENCE I FEELLY
MORE FUNCTIONAL, MORE ABLE TO
SUPPORT THEM SFREFS A TAKES

02:26:01.299,02:26:06.506
TAX BASE PERSPECTIVE AND MORE
FUNCTIONALLY SOCIALLY AS WELL.
SO THE FINAL THING — AND THIS

02:26:06.508,02:26:13.015
IS RESPONDING TO ALDERMAN
STEVENSON’S QUESTION ABOUT
CHOICE — SAYING YOU KNOW, AN

02:26:13.017,02:26:18.913
EXECUTIVE MOVING TO CALGARY
MIGHT WANT TO LIVE IN AN R-1
AREA AND WE CAN’T BE

02:26:18.915,02:26:25.794
CURTAILING THAT CHOICE.
R-1S IS A STRANGE LITTLE LAND
USE, YOU KNOW.

02:26:25.796,02:26:30.657
THINK OF IT AS THIS… IF
YOU’VE GOT AN R-1 PROPERTY
WITH AN S DESIGNATION YOU’VE

02:26:30.659,02:26:36.235
GOT AN R-1 PROPERTY BUT YOU
ALSO HAVE THE CHOICE OF
PUTTING A SECONDARY SUITE ON

02:26:36.237,02:26:41.440
THERE.
AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY
INCREASING CHOICE AND I DON’T

02:26:41.442,02:26:44.548
KNOW WHY WE’RE CURTAILING
CHOICE.
AND I DON’T KNOW WHY WE ARE

02:26:44.550,02:26:53.850
ALLOWING — AND I AGREE THAT
THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED
CONCERNS BUT THAT HAS TO DEAL

02:26:53.852,02:26:58.098
WITH HOW WE’RE CURRENTLY
BUILDING OUR COMMUNITIES AND
THERE ARE INNOVATIVE WAYS TO

02:26:58.100,02:27:03.531
REALLY SOLVE THAT AND WE WON’T
GET THERE IF WE KEEP ALLOWING
THE STATUS QUO TO CONTINUE.

02:27:03.533,02:27:10.697
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO
SUPPORT THIS, BECAUSE I THINK
IT’S — HONESTLY I HUMBLY

02:27:10.699,02:27:13.961
BELIEVE IT’S A INTO BRAINER.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

02:27:13.963,02:27:17.759
ALDERMAN FARRELL?
>> THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN CARRA, THAT WAS GREAT

02:27:17.761,02:27:21.362
DEBATE.
I WANTED TO THANK ALDERMAN
DEMONG FOR BROIG THIS FORWARD,

02:27:21.364,02:27:26.670
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HE’S DONE
IS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT’S
BEEN IDENTIFIED BY MEMBERS OF

02:27:26.672,02:27:36.185
COUNCIL FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IS
THAT THE RESIDENTS MOVING INTO
A COMMUNITY OR LIVING IN A

02:27:36.187,02:27:42.720
COMMUNITY WANT TO KNOW THAT’S
STORE FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE.
AND THIS IS –

02:27:42.722,02:27:49.226
THIS ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN
ELEGANTLY.
AND I AGREE THAT I DON’T SEE

02:27:49.228,02:27:53.631
THIS AS ELIMINATING R-1.
WE’RE ADDING ANOTHER USE TO
R-1.

02:27:53.633,02:27:57.998
AND IT’S THE CHOICE OF THE
DEVELOPER WHEN THEY’RE
DEVELOPING THE COMMUNITY AND

02:27:58.000,02:28:01.800
THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE OR
THE RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE IF
THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS

02:28:01.802,02:28:05.335
OPPORTUNITY.
WE HEARD FROM THE INDUSTRY –
AND I’VE GOT THE LETTER RIGHT

02:28:05.337,02:28:10.176
IN FRONT OF ME FROM BEN BRUINEN
FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE CHAMBER OF

02:28:10.178,02:28:16.453
COMMERCE, THE CALGARY REAL
ESTATE BOARD, CALGARY HOME
BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, NAOP,

02:28:16.455,02:28:20.823
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION, URBAN
INSTITUTE ALL TOGETHER ASKING

02:28:20.825,02:28:28.121
FOR BLANKET SUPPORT FOR
SECONDARY SUITES CITY WIDE.
SO I DON’T SEE THE INDUSTRY AS

02:28:28.123,02:28:33.402
BEING A GROUP THAT WOULD HOLD
US UP IN THIS REGARD.
I JUST FIND THE WHOLE

02:28:33.404,02:28:37.504
DISCUSSION INTERESTING,
BECAUSE WE ADDRESS ONE PROBLEM
AND THEN ANOTHER PROBLEM IS

02:28:37.506,02:28:41.799
PUT IN FRONT OF US SO MAKE WE
JUST NEED TO BE FRANK AND SAY
WE DON’T WANT THESE THINGS IN

02:28:41.801,02:28:50.316
OUR CITY.
SO OUR EXPERIENCE IS WITH
OTHER CITIES AND I DON’T KNOW

02:28:50.318,02:28:53.455
CALGARY WOULD BE VERY
DIFFERENT IS THAT VERY FEW OF
THESE ARE BUILT BUT THEY’RE

02:28:53.457,02:29:00.170
BUILT ON AN OPPORTUNITY BASIS
WHEN THE HOMEOWNER SEES AN
ADVANTAGE AND — I MEAN, I

02:29:00.172,02:29:06.612
PURCHASED MY PROPERTY BECAUSE
THERE WAS A SECONDARY SUITE
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

02:29:06.614,02:29:13.247
IT WAS A LEGAL NON-CON FORMING,
WELL BEFORE 1980.
AND IT HELPED MY PURCHASE.

02:29:13.249,02:29:20.122
THEN A FEW YEARS LATER, DIDN’T
NEED IT ANYMORE, TOOK IT OVER
AND HAD MY OWN BASEMENT.

02:29:20.124,02:29:23.792
SO I THINK IT’S JUST –
IT OFFERS PEOPLE SOME
OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY’RE

02:29:23.794,02:29:27.480
TRYING TO GET INTO THE HOUSING
MARKET.
SO COUNCIL, I HOPE WE SUPPORT

02:29:27.482,02:29:31.522
IT.
THIS IS A NATURAL STEP IN A
CONTINUUM THAT WILL FINALLY

02:29:31.524,02:29:37.685
GET US TO ACCEPTING SECONDARY
SUITES.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN FARRELL

02:29:37.687,02:29:50.836
AND YOUR TIMING IS PERFECT
BECAUSE WE’RE EXACTLY NOON.
WE’LL BE BACK AT 1:15.

02:30:58.746,02:31:01.048
CAPTIONING OF THIS MEETING IS
PROVIDED AS A COMMUNICATION
ACCESSIBILITY MEASURE AND IS

02:31:01.050,02:31:03.147
NOT INTENDED AS VERBATIM
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
IF INACCURACIES OCCUR, IT MAY

02:31:03.149,02:31:04.950
BE DUE TO HUMAN ERROR,
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
OR AN INABILITY ON THE PART

02:31:04.952,02:31:06.486
OF THE WRITER TO HEAR
OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING
SAID.

02:31:06.488,02:31:08.350
WHILE BEST EFFORTS ARE MADE
TO DOCUMENT AS CLOSELY
AS POSSIBLE WHAT IS BEING

02:31:08.352,02:31:10.186
SAID, THE CAPTIONS CANNOT BE
RELIED UPON AS A CERTIFIED,
ACCURATE RECORD OF

02:31:10.188,02:31:11.924
THE PROCEEDINGS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: STILL
ON THE FIRST ITEM.

02:31:11.926,02:31:17.041
LET’S SEE IF WE CAN BEAT LAST
WEEK’S RECORD, SHALL WE?
7.1.

02:31:17.043,02:31:21.041
MOVE TRY TO BEAT LAST WEEK’S
RECORD?
ALDERMAN HODGES ISN’T HERE.

02:31:21.043,02:31:26.243
ALL RIGHT.
SO AS EVERYONE IS SETTLING
IN — I’VE ONLY GOT A FEW

02:31:26.245,02:31:32.612
NAMES LEFT LEFT.
NEVER MIND, ALDERMAN PINCOTT
TURNED HIS LIGHT ON.

02:31:32.614,02:31:36.918
THAT TAKES US.
ALDERMAN MARR?
>> THANK YOU.

02:31:36.920,02:31:44.934
SO I’VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUICK
QUESTIONS RELATING TO THIS.
AND NOTWITHSTANDING THE MDP

02:31:44.936,02:31:58.782
AND THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE,
WOULD THIS CHANGE THE DENSITY?
PER HECTARE?

02:31:58.784,02:32:03.682
>> NOT SURE I — CAN YOU RUN
THAT BY ME ONE MORE TIME?
>> SURE.

02:32:03.684,02:32:10.722
ABSOLUTELY.
SO MY QUESTION IS IF WE WERE
GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS AND WE

02:32:10.724,02:32:16.030
WERE — WE COULD FORECAST A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SECONDARY
SUITES IN THE DEVELOPING

02:32:16.032,02:32:26.827
AREAS, MY QUESTION IS HOW WILL
THAT IMPACT THE WAY THAT WE
VIEW THE MDP AND ITS — ITS

02:32:26.829,02:32:33.965
THRESHOLD, DENSITY THRESHOLD?
>> THE MDP HAS TARGET
DENSITIES WE’RE TRYING TO

02:32:33.967,02:32:40.800
ACHIEVE OVER A FAIRLY LONG
PERIOD OF TIME.
I DO NOT — AS I THINK I

02:32:40.802,02:32:46.979
ANSWER ADMIN AGO BELIEVE
THAT — WELL, I GUESS IT’S THE
QUESTION — THE COMMENTS YOU

02:32:46.981,02:32:53.187
MADE ALDERMAN MARR IF YOU
COULD FORECAST WHAT KIND OF
TICKUP YOU WOULD HAVE.

02:32:53.189,02:32:57.521
>> 3 PERCENT?
WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A
NUMBER I IMAGINE TO BE ABLE TO

02:32:57.523,02:33:01.819
MODEL IT.
>> I FRANKLY THINK AT THE
LEVEL THAT THE MDP IS LOOKING

02:33:01.821,02:33:05.889
AT DENTIST AND THE TARGETS WE
HAVE IN THERE OVER THE PERIOD
OF TIME THAT THIS WOULD HAVE A

02:33:05.891,02:33:09.889
VERY MODEST IMPACT –
>> ALMOST INSIGNIFICANT?
>> I DON’T THINK THAT WOULD

02:33:09.891,02:33:16.002
REQUIRE IF THAT’S — NOT TO
PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH,
YOU’RE SUGGESTING WE HAVE TO

02:33:16.004,02:33:20.274
LOOK AT ALL THE MDP.
>> I WOULD LIKE CLARITY AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD JUST

02:33:20.276,02:33:27.280
SAY NOTWITHSTANDING THE
DENSITY THRESHOLDS ON THE MDP,
IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS,

02:33:27.282,02:33:34.587
WE WOULD JUST REMOVE IT
COMPLETELY AND RECOGNIZE THAT
IT — THE UPTAKE IS GOING TO

02:33:34.589,02:33:41.735
BE SO INSIGNIFICANT AS TO –
AS TO NOT FACTOR IT IN AND
HOPEFULLY WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD

02:33:41.737,02:33:49.168
WITH THE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT
PLAN WE WILL NOT — NOT LOOK
AT THIS AS CONTRIBUTING AT ALL

02:33:49.170,02:33:54.548
TO THE OVERALL DENSITY.
>> I DON’T BELIEVE THIS WILL
CONTRAVENE THE MUNICIPAL

02:33:54.550,02:33:57.987
DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE LOOK AT DENTIST IN THE
CONTEXT OF INDIVIDUAL

02:33:57.989,02:34:01.293
APPLICATIONS IN THE CONTEXT OF
INDIVIDUAL AREA PLANS.
>> YES.

02:34:01.295,02:34:05.835
>> MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN
APPROVED ALREADY.
WE’RE WORKING ON ASPs RIGHT

02:34:05.837,02:34:14.443
NOW THAT HAVE VACANT LAND THAT
HAVE POLICIES IN THEM, SO
THAT — THAT — IN SOME CASES

02:34:14.445,02:34:18.370
LONG BEFORE THE MDP WAS
APPROVED.
WE HAVEN’T CHANGED ALL THOSE.

02:34:18.372,02:34:22.216
THOSE ARE THE OVERRIDING
DOCUMENT.
THE MDP LOOKS AT CITY-WIDE

02:34:22.218,02:34:27.548
LONGER TERM GOALS.
SO I DON’T SEE PUTTING AN S
DESIGNATION, WHAT WE’RE

02:34:27.550,02:34:33.827
PROPOSING TODAY IN R-1 IS
GOING TO MATERIALLY AFFECT THE
LONGER TERM 60 YEAR TARGETS.

02:34:33.829,02:34:43.608
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE
THE DIRECTION THAT ALDERMAN

02:34:43.610,02:34:48.042
POOTMANS — SORRY, MY
APOLOGIES, ALDERMAN DEMONG IS
HEADING ON THIS.

02:34:48.044,02:34:55.143
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT ALDERMAN
POOTMANS, THERE’S THE ARC, WAS
MAKING WHEN HE WAS TALKING

02:34:55.145,02:34:59.487
ABOUT CONSULTATION WITH THE
PUBLIC AND THE INDUSTRY.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LETTER

02:34:59.489,02:35:04.389
ON RECORD FROM THE INDUSTRY
SAYING THAT THEY ARE
INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS

02:35:04.391,02:35:11.467
DENSE FICTION AND HAVING THIS
AS PART OF OUR MUNICIPAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PART OF

02:35:11.469,02:35:17.269
THE PLANNING RATIONAL.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH
THE — WITH THE SUPPORT OF MY

02:35:17.271,02:35:28.744
COLLEAGUES, OF COURSE, IS TO
REFER THIS TO LPT TO HAVE –
TO LPT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION

02:35:28.746,02:35:34.984
IN PUBLIC FOR GREATER
TRANSPARENCY AND TO ALSO
ENSURE THAT WE ARE INDEED

02:35:34.986,02:35:40.654
GETTING THE BEST INFORMATION
THAT WE CAN AND ALSO TO SEE IF
THERE IS ANY CHANGES THAT NEED

02:35:40.656,02:35:48.690
TO BE MADE TO THE MDP AS A
RESULT AND REPORT BACK TO LPT
NO LATER THAN JULY AND I

02:35:48.692,02:35:54.059
BELIEVE MADAM CLERK HAS IT IN
WRITING IF MEMBERS CARE TO SEE
IT.

02:35:54.061,02:35:57.060
THAT’S MY MOTION.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL

02:35:57.062,02:36:00.926
RIGHT, WE HAVE A REFERRAL
MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE LOVES THOSE.

02:36:00.928,02:36:06.835
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
>> I’LL SECOND IT.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN HODGES.

02:36:06.837,02:36:11.299
ALDERMAN JONES THANKS YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
SO WE’VE GOT A REFERRAL MOTION

02:36:11.301,02:36:15.073
ON THE FLOOR THEN.
I’VE STILL GOT A LONG LIST OF
LIGHTS ON.

02:36:15.075,02:36:19.646
I’LL CONTINUE TO WAVE IF YOU’D
LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE
REFERRAL MOTION.

02:36:19.648,02:36:22.749
ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YES, THANK YOU YOUR
WORSHIP.

02:36:22.751,02:36:28.500
WHEN THIS MOTION HAD
ORIGINALLY COME FORWARD, I
PERHAPS DID NOT FOCUS ON IT AS

02:36:28.502,02:36:33.432
MUCH AS I THOUGHT I WOULD
BECAUSE THERE WERE CERTAIN
ELEMENTS TO IT WHICH I THOUGHT

02:36:33.434,02:36:36.132
WOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO PROCEED
VERY FAR.
THIS MORNING, WHEN THE NEW

02:36:36.134,02:36:42.536
REVISED ISSUE CAME OUT,
FRANKLY I LOOKED AT IT AND
SAID, WELL, THIS PROBABLY

02:36:42.538,02:36:48.570
MIGHT PASS AND FOUND MYSELF I
WILL EQUIPPED TO RESPOND.
I SPENT THE NOONHOUR SPEAKING

02:36:48.572,02:36:54.384
TO MORE THAN A PEW PEOPLE IN
THIGH WARD AND IN THE INDUSTRY
CONDUCTED MY OWN SAMPLING OF

02:36:54.386,02:36:59.618
INDUSTRY RESPONSE, VERY
UNSCIENTIFIC SAMPLING, BUT
COMFORTABLE NOW SUPPORTING IT

02:36:59.620,02:37:04.497
AND THEREFORE WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING THE REFERRAL
MOTION.

02:37:04.499,02:37:07.133
THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU ALDERMAN
POOTMANS.

02:37:07.135,02:37:11.107
ANYONE ELSE ON THE REFERRAL
MOTION?
SEEING NONE, ON THE MOTION TO

02:37:11.109,02:37:16.248
REFER, ARE ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?
I GUESS WE HAVE TO CALL THE

02:37:16.250,02:37:26.292
ROLL.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> NO.

02:37:26.294,02:37:31.155
>> ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN MARR.

02:37:31.157,02:37:32.523
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
>> NO.

02:37:32.525,02:37:35.896
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

02:37:35.898,02:37:42.843
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> NO.

02:37:42.845,02:37:49.381
ALDERMAN KHAB KHAB CHABOT.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.

02:37:49.383,02:37:52.083
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.
>> NO.

02:37:52.085,02:37:56.228
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> YES.

02:37:56.230,02:37:59.171
>> ALDERMAN JONES.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING.

02:37:59.173,02:38:04.176
>> NO.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.

02:38:04.178,02:38:08.410
ALDERMAN MARR, STILL GOT THE
FLOOR IF YOU WANT IT.
>> NO, I’M GOOD.

02:38:08.412,02:38:15.137
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

02:38:15.139,02:38:19.594
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
DIRECTED TO Mr. WATSON.
I WANT TO GET A REAL GOOD

02:38:19.596,02:38:23.819
HANDLING ON THE DISCRETIONARY
AND THE PERMITTED USE AND WHAT
REQUIREMENTS ARE — YOU HAVE

02:38:23.821,02:38:32.698
TO GO THROUGH TO APPLY.
SO IF WE GO TO AN R-1S, IS
THAT A PERMITTED USE OF A

02:38:32.700,02:38:40.769
SECONDARY SUITE OR A
DISCRETIONARY USE?
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR OF THE

02:38:40.771,02:38:45.568
MOTION AS WE’VE DEVELOPED AS
INDICATE WHETHER IT’S
DISCRETIONARY OR PERMITTED.

02:38:45.570,02:38:56.218
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
WE WOULD HAVE TO — ACTUALLY,
LET ME BACK UP ON THAT.

02:38:56.220,02:39:01.953
R1S.
I THINK — I HAVE IT ON MY
BYLAW HERE.

02:39:01.955,02:39:09.454
WE HAVE A BYLAW.
>> WE THINK IT’S DISCRETIONARY
BUT WE’RE LOOKING.

02:39:09.456,02:39:20.872
WHERE ARE YOU?
MISS PHONE, CAN YOU ANSWER
THAT QUESTION FOR US, PLEASE?

02:39:20.874,02:39:25.417
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I DON’T HAVE
MY BYLAW EITHER BUT I BELIEVE
IT’S DISCRETIONARY.

02:39:25.419,02:39:29.160
IT DEFINITELY REQUIRES A
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT THOUGH.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY.

02:39:29.162,02:39:33.529
MISS PHONE YOU DON’T HAVE THE
BYLAW TATTOOED TO THE INSIDE
OF YOUR ARM.

02:39:33.531,02:39:37.862
>> IT WOULD TAKE UP BOTH ARMS.
IT’S SO BIG NOW.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: WE’RE

02:39:37.864,02:39:42.000
PRETTY SURE IT’S DISCRETIONARY
ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> GO THROUGH THE EMPLOYEES TO

02:39:42.002,02:39:46.275
APPLY.
>> WELL, DISCRETIONARY PERMIT
MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A

02:39:46.277,02:39:49.905
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
YOU HAVE TO COME INTO THE
FRONT COUNTER, WAVE LIST OF

02:39:49.907,02:39:53.540
THINGS YOU HAVE TO GIVE US IN
ORDER TO MAKE THE COMPLETE
APPLICATION.

02:39:53.542,02:39:58.181
PLUS SOME MONEY.
THEN WE PROCESS IT.
LOOK AT IT AGAINST THE RULES

02:39:58.183,02:40:04.617
THAT ARE IN BI-THE BYLAW.
CIRCULATE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS, THE COMMUNITY.

02:40:04.619,02:40:09.918
>> SO IT’S CIRCULATED.
IT’S POSTED AND PEOPLE HAVE A
CHANCE TO RESPOND AND THEN A

02:40:09.920,02:40:13.359
DECISION IS MADE FROM THE
RESPONSES?
>> NO, A DECISION IS MADE BY

02:40:13.361,02:40:19.629
THE APPROVING AUTHORITY BASED
ON THE INPUT AND THAT, OF
COURSE, CAN BE APPEALED TO THE

02:40:19.631,02:40:23.532
SUBDIVISION APPEALS BOARD ON
THE EVIDENCE THAT IS — THAT
THE APPEAL –

02:40:23.534,02:40:28.276
>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE FACT THAT IT’S
DISCRETIONARY OPENS UP THAT

02:40:28.278,02:40:33.612
POSSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT IN
OUR AREA, BUT I DO HAVE AN

02:40:33.614,02:40:38.148
AMENDMENT.
AND I’M HOPING THAT WE CAN
LOOK AT T I’VE WRITTEN IT UP

02:40:38.150,02:40:42.819
BUT IT SIMPLY SAYS SECONDARY
SUITES MAY NOT COUNT IN THE
DENSETY NUMBERS REQUIRED.

02:40:42.821,02:40:49.497
SO I’M PROPOSING AT THAN
POINT, I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU’RE

02:40:49.499,02:40:53.864
SAYING ALDERMAN KEATING, IF I
MAY PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH,
YOU’RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE

02:40:53.866,02:40:59.044
ISSUE THAT A COUPLE OF
SPEAKERS HAVE HAD SAYING THAT
A DEVELOPER COULD IN THEORY

02:40:59.046,02:41:06.209
SAY BECAUSE IT’S R 1 S IT’S
DOUBLE THE DENSITY OF WHAT R 1
WOULD BE ERGO I SHOULDN’T HAVE

02:41:06.211,02:41:09.183
TO BUILD ANY MULTIFAMILY.
>> YES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

02:41:09.185,02:41:12.687
Mr. WATSON?
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS
AMENDMENT?

02:41:12.689,02:41:16.791
IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO?
SORRY ALDERMAN KEATING I’M
TRYING TO –

02:41:16.793,02:41:19.261
>> NO, PERFECT.
>> NO, YOUR WORSHIP, THAT’S
FINE.

02:41:19.263,02:41:24.136
IF THAT’S A CONCERN OF COUNCIL,
I’M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT IT
BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT EVEN

02:41:24.138,02:41:28.214
CLEARER.
IF THAT — YOUR MOTION PASSED,
ALDERMAN KEATING YOUR

02:41:28.216,02:41:31.647
AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD MAKE IT
VERY CLEAR ON AN APPLICATION
THAT WE WOULD NOT BE TREATING

02:41:31.649,02:41:37.477
IT IN TERMS OF A DENSITY
CALCULATION ANY DIFFERENT THAN
THAN IF IT WAS A STRAIGHT R1.

02:41:37.479,02:41:43.272
THAT WOULD ADD SOME CLARITY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DID
YOU SAY YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE

02:41:43.274,02:41:47.279
ALREADY?
>> WELL, I JUST — I HAVE IT
HERE VERY SIMPLE.

02:41:47.281,02:41:51.386
SECONDARY SUITES MAY NOT COUNT
IN DENSITY NUMBERS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: MAYBE

02:41:51.388,02:41:58.491
ADD — SAY THAT YOUR AMENDMENT
IS TO ADD A NUMBER 4 TO THIS
WHICH IS TO CONFIRM THAT –

02:41:58.493,02:42:04.015
AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY
CLEAR.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN — I’M

02:42:04.017,02:42:08.222
JUST SPEAKING THIS OUT LOUD SO
Mr. WATSON AND ALDERMAN
KEATING CAN TELL ME IF IT

02:42:08.224,02:42:17.106
DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.
BETWEEN R1 AND R1S SHALL NOT
BE USED TO CALCULATE FINAL

02:42:17.108,02:42:19.941
DENSITY.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
TWO.

02:42:19.943,02:42:25.303
>> SURE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO BUT
I’M TRYING TO GET THE LANGUAGE

02:42:25.305,02:42:31.141
RIGHT.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU CLEAR
DIRECTION Mr. WATSON?

02:42:31.143,02:42:39.179
OKAY.
THE DENSITY DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN — OKAY.

02:42:39.181,02:42:42.851
OKAY.
SO DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR
THAT THEN?

02:42:42.853,02:42:49.364
THANKS ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
THANKS ALDERMAN MARR SORRY.
I’VE WRITTEN IT DOWN FOR THE

02:42:49.366,02:42:51.500
CLERK.
IF YOU WANT THAT THAT MAY BE
HELPFUL.

02:42:51.502,02:42:55.671
OKAY.
SO HON THIS ONE, ANY
DISCUSSION, JUST WAVE.

02:42:55.673,02:43:02.775
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> YEAH, WELL, A COUPLE OF
ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH

02:43:02.777,02:43:07.943
REGARDS TO THIS AMENDMENT.
ON WHAT POLICY WOULD WE AMEND
TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS

02:43:07.945,02:43:14.017
ADOPTED?
LIKE YOU KNOW IT AND MAYBE
EVERY ONE OF YOUR STAFF THAT’S

02:43:14.019,02:43:21.231
HERE KNOWS IT, BUT WHAT
SPECIFIC POLICY ARE WE GOING
TO AMEND TO MAKE SURE IT GETS

02:43:21.233,02:43:30.516
IMPLEMENTED AFTER WE’RE ALL
GONE?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AS A

02:43:30.518,02:43:38.494
CHAIR I DON’T THINK WE’LL EVER
BE ALL GONE.
ALDERMAN HODGES?

02:43:38.496,02:43:45.672
>> WHEN COUNCIL PASSES MOTIONS
SUCH AS THIS, I MEAN WE MAKE
CHANGES WITHIN OUR COMPUTER

02:43:45.674,02:43:50.609
SYSTEMS, WE MAKE CHANGES AT
THE FRONT COUNTER.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD CHANGE –

02:43:50.611,02:43:56.548
WOULDN’T CHANGE THE BYLAW, BUT
AS APPLICATIONS CAME IN, WE
WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING AT

02:43:56.550,02:44:03.452
THE PROCESS.
PART OF IT WHICH IS A NUMBER 3
WOULD BE — I CAN’T SPEAK TO

02:44:03.454,02:44:09.361
THE ACTUAL CHAPTER OR POLICY
WITHIN THE MDP, BUT WE WOULD
ADD SOMETHING TO BE CLEAR IN

02:44:09.363,02:44:15.598
THE MDP ALSO.
>> IF I MAY ASK YOU A
QUESTION, ALSO Mr. WATSON,

02:44:15.600,02:44:23.008
WHEN COUNCIL APROVED — WHEN
WE WERE DEBATING THE SECONDARY
SUITE ISSUE AND THE

02:44:23.010,02:44:31.682
BROAD-BASED — I THOUGHT WE
APPROVED A MOTION THAT SAID
THAT WE WOULD CHANGE R 1 Ss AS

02:44:31.684,02:44:36.082
WELL AS THE RC 2 FROM
DISCRETIONARY TO PERMITTED.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT

02:44:36.084,02:44:40.420
DECISION?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN CHABOT I BELIEVE –

02:44:40.422,02:44:46.024
NOW I COULD BE WRONG BUT I
BELIEVE THAT WE DIDN’T
ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE R 1

02:44:46.026,02:44:50.122
Ss.
I THINK IT WAS THE R 2Z, THE
RC 2s AND SO ON.

02:44:50.124,02:44:54.583
>> ONLY TWO LISTED AS
DISCRETIONARY AS I RECALL.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THEN

02:44:54.585,02:45:00.358
I’M WRONG.
>> WE DID NOT INCLUDE RN 1 IN
THAT DECISION.

02:45:00.360,02:45:01.861
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU’RE
RIGHT.
YOU’RE RIGHT.

02:45:01.863,02:45:05.593
YOU’RE RIGHT.
WE’LL SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE
THAT OUT FOR YOU WHILE WE’RE

02:45:05.595,02:45:09.930
LOOKING.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT AS USUAL
YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD MEMORY.

02:45:09.932,02:45:14.400
THAT IS PIECE OF WORK THAT’S
UNDER A WAY.
I’LL QUOTE IT COUNCIL DIRECT

02:45:14.402,02:45:19.936
THE ADMINISTRATION BY BYLAW
AMENDMENT LAND USE DISTRICTS
WHERE SECONDARY STREETS ARE

02:45:19.938,02:45:30.385
CURRENTLY USED ALLOWED AS
SECONDARY USES.
R 2 M, RC 2SHGS R 1 S, R –

02:45:30.387,02:45:44.093
MG — SORRY, MCG.
MC 1, C 2, MH 1, H 2, H 3, X
1, EXCLUDING R 1 N AND RC 1 N.

02:45:44.095,02:45:47.828
MAKE THEM PERMITTED.
THAT PIECE OF WORK WAS UNDER
WAY.

02:45:47.830,02:45:51.340
>> SO –
>> SOMETIME DURING THE COURSE
OF THIS YEAR WE’LL BE COMING

02:45:51.342,02:46:02.127
BACK TO COUNCIL WITH
AMENDMENTS TO OUTLINE THIS
BYLAW: AND NOT APPLY TO R 1 –

02:46:02.129,02:46:04.793
OR — WHICH IS THE SUBJECT
WATCH WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> CORRECT.

02:46:04.795,02:46:09.540
THIS INTENT IS TO COME BACK
WITH AN AMENDED BYLAW TO
TRANSITION –

02:46:09.542,02:46:14.943
>> MY POLL APOLOGIZE.
IT’S TODAY DISCRETIONARY, IT
COULD BE PERMITTED IN THE

02:46:14.945,02:46:19.417
FUTURE DEPENDING AGAIN ON
ANOTHER DECISION OF COUNCIL.
BASEONED THIS.

02:46:19.419,02:46:25.862
>> SO I THINK THE APPETITE AT
THE TIME WHICH IS WHAT THE
BASIS OF THIS AMENDMENT WILL

02:46:25.864,02:46:33.033
BE IS TO MAKE R1S FROM
DISCRETIONARY TO PERMITTED.
SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS ONE OF

02:46:33.035,02:46:36.532
THE QUESTIONS A TO WHO WEATHER
IT’S PERMITTED 0 ARE
DISCRETIONARY.

02:46:36.534,02:46:39.807
AT LEAST WHAT’S COMING FORWARD
IN LIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS
DECISION.

02:46:39.809,02:46:47.313
I CAN’T SUPPORT IT FROM — ON
THAT BASIS BECAUSE IT — IT
DOESN’T ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY

02:46:47.315,02:46:53.724
FOR — FOR AN APPEAL PROCESS
TO OCCUR.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

02:46:53.726,02:46:58.555
THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALTHOUGH THAT HAS NOTHING TO
DO ON THE AMENDMENT, IT WAS A

02:46:58.557,02:47:02.133
HELPFUL CLARIFICATION.
I’LL ALLOW THAT CONVERSATION.
HE KNOWS WHEN HE CAN TURN HIS

02:47:02.135,02:47:07.003
LIGHT ON.
ANYONE ELSE?
ALDERMAN CAR RAR?

02:47:07.005,02:47:13.152
COULD WE GET IT UP, PLEASE.
ANYONE ELSE?
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

02:47:13.154,02:47:21.322
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
AS USUAL, I’M CONFUSED.
THIS WHOLE THING THAT WE’RE

02:47:21.324,02:47:26.592
TALKING ABOUT HERE NOW IS
PUTTING US OVER THE –
FLIPPING THE OTHER WAY IN MY

02:47:26.594,02:47:33.069
MIND BECAUSE BEFORE WHAT I WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THAT
THE — THE DEVELOPER COULD

02:47:33.071,02:47:40.146
ACTUALLY USE ALL OF 9 R 1s
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE R 1 Ss
AS A PART OF THE DENSITY

02:47:40.148,02:47:44.044
PACKAGE, RIGHT?
NOW WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE IS THAT — THEY WOULDN’T

02:47:44.046,02:47:50.708
BE ABLE TO USE ANY OF THAT.
SO THAT PUTS ME ON THE OTHER
SIDE SAYING THEN IF WE HAVE

02:47:50.710,02:47:58.300
ALL — HAVE THE DENSITY, THE
NORMAL DENSITY REQUIREMENTS
THERE WHICH INCLUDE THE

02:47:58.302,02:48:07.779
MULTIFAMILY SITES AND THIS
COMMUNITY IS NOT DESIGNED FOR
SUCH A HUGE INCREASE IN NUMBER

02:48:07.781,02:48:14.382
OF UNITS, WE WOULD HAVE THEN
THE POSSIBILITY, NEVER KNOW
WHAT THE UPTICK WOULD BE, BUT

02:48:14.384,02:48:20.354
WE WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY
OF A HUGE NUMBER OF EXTRA
UNITS IN THIS AREA THAT’S

02:48:20.356,02:48:24.894
NOT — THE ROADS AND
STRUCTURES ARE NOT SET UP FOR
THAT.

02:48:24.896,02:48:28.764
IS THAT NOT TRUE?
WE WOULD HAVE THE REGULAR
DENSITY, Mr. WATSON, BUT THEN

02:48:28.766,02:48:35.842
WE WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF
ALL OF THE R1.
s BEING TIMES TWO.

02:48:35.844,02:48:41.815
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF — IF
YOU MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT
ARE EVERYTHING THAT IS R 1 S

02:48:41.817,02:48:47.389
HAS BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY
SUITE IN A BUILDING, YES.
>> THE POTENTIAL.

02:48:47.391,02:48:51.363
I SAY THE POTENTIAL OF IT.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.

02:48:51.365,02:48:56.624
I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

02:48:56.626,02:49:01.030
ON THE AMENDMENT THEN, AS YOU
SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE BOLD
FACE ON THE SCREEN, ON THE

02:49:01.032,02:49:03.862
AMENDMENT ARE WE AGREED?
>> AGREED.
>> ANY OPPOSED?

02:49:03.864,02:49:11.044
>> KOHL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> AGREED.

02:49:11.046,02:49:14.514
>> ALDERMAN MARR.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

02:49:14.516,02:49:17.051
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YES.

02:49:17.053,02:49:20.958
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA.

02:49:20.960,02:49:26.393
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> NO.

02:49:26.395,02:49:29.396
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.

02:49:29.398,02:49:31.496
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> YES.

02:49:31.498,02:49:34.233
>> ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN JONES.

02:49:34.235,02:49:37.172
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> YES.

02:49:37.174,02:49:41.749
>> ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> YES.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.

02:49:41.751,02:49:43.018
>> YES.
>> CARRIED.
>> LOVELY.

02:49:43.020,02:49:48.315
ON THE MAIN MOTION THEN,
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
POINT OF ORDER?

02:49:48.317,02:49:51.888
ALDERMAN KEATING, YES, GO
AHEAD.
>> DO I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

02:49:51.890,02:49:53.823
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU
CAN KEEP IT.
>> THANK YOU.

02:49:53.825,02:49:58.261
GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL
QUESTION OF PERMITTED OR
DISCRETIONARY, I STILL HAVE A

02:49:58.263,02:50:04.303
CONCERN THERE.
SO I AM FORCED SOMEHOW TO MAKE
ANOTHER AMENDMENT WHICH WILL

02:50:04.305,02:50:08.779
BE NUMBER FIVE.
I DON’T KNOW HOW TO WORD THIS
ONE AGAIN.

02:50:08.781,02:50:15.188
IS THERE A WAY OF MAKING NEW
DEVELOPMENT, RS 1s
DISCRETIONARY?

02:50:15.190,02:50:18.125
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR
ABSOLUTELY.
THEY ARE TODAY AND IF YOU DO

02:50:18.127,02:50:22.454
NOT APPROVE THE THING COMING
FORWARD LATER ON THIS YEAR,
YOU –

02:50:22.456,02:50:26.299
>> SO I WOULD SUGGEST THE
RIGHT THING TO DO THEN
ALDERMAN KEATING IS SINCE

02:50:26.301,02:50:29.629
THEY’RE TODAY, IT WOULD BE
WEIRD TO PUT IT IN THIS
MOTION.

02:50:29.631,02:50:33.530
WHEN IT COMES FORWARD, WE’D
WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AT
THAT TIME.

02:50:33.532,02:50:37.867
TO SAY THAT THEY BECOME
PERMITTED IN EXISTING
NEIGHBORHOODS AND

02:50:37.869,02:50:40.599
DISCRETIONARY IN NEW ONES OR
WHATEVER WE WANTED TO DO AT
THAT TIME.

02:50:40.601,02:50:42.936
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: BUT AS
OF TODAY, THEY’RE

02:50:42.938,02:50:49.078
DISCRETIONARY.
AND I SAID PINCOTT BUT I MEANT
McLEOD.

02:50:49.080,02:50:57.542
ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> NOW IT’S MY TURN TO BE
CONFUSED.

02:50:57.544,02:51:02.942
SO WE DON’T — BECAUSE IT
IS — IF I’M UNDERSTANDING
THAT LAST PART CORRECTLY,

02:51:02.944,02:51:09.015
BECAUSE IT IS DISCRETIONARY
NOW, WE DON’T WANT TO PUT IN A
NUMBER FIVE TO KEEP IT

02:51:09.017,02:51:16.125
DISCRETIONARY SHOULD IT
CHANGE, WE JUST CHANGE IT WHEN
THE CHANGE COMES?

02:51:16.127,02:51:20.960
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO –
>> WHICH COULD BE A DIFFERENT
VOTE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE

02:51:20.962,02:51:25.428
IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS, SORRY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT
IS CORRECT BUT TO ME IT WOULD

02:51:25.430,02:51:31.160
BE STRANGE TO MAKE A MOTION
NOW SAYING WE REAFFIRM THE WAY
THE WORLD IS TODAY.

02:51:31.162,02:51:35.772
BECAUSE THAT’S THE WAY THE
WORLD IS TODAY.
BUT IF WE EVER WANTED TO

02:51:35.774,02:51:39.709
CHANGE THAT, THEN COUNCIL
COULD CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE
WHOLE THING, CHANGE NONE OF IT

02:51:39.711,02:51:44.640
OR CHANGE PART OF IT.
>> INTERESTING THAT YOU SHOULD
SAY REAFFIRMING THE WAY THE

02:51:44.642,02:51:49.621
WORLD IS NOW, BECAUSE THAT
SORT OF FEELS LIKE WE’RE
HAVING THE SECONDARY SUITE

02:51:49.623,02:51:52.487
DEBATE ALL OVER AGAIN.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S
YET TO COME.

02:51:52.489,02:51:56.754
I HAVEN’T GOTTEN THE FLOOR
YET.
>> I REST MY CASE.

02:51:56.756,02:52:03.062
MOST OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO
SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THIS IS A

02:52:03.064,02:52:08.904
LOT ABOUT THE BOOGEYMAN AND I
FOR ONE AM HAVING TROUBLE
BELIEVING IN THE BOOGEYMAN.

02:52:08.906,02:52:16.115
I THINK WE LEAVE IT TO THE
MARKET TO DETERMINE WHAT –
WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO WITH

02:52:16.117,02:52:21.418
THEIR INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE
IN HIGH END AREAS AS WAS

02:52:21.420,02:52:26.587
MENTIONED EARLIER WANT HIGH
END NANNY SUITES.
I JUST DON’T SEE THE PROBLEM

02:52:26.589,02:52:31.696
WITH THIS.
I REALLY DON’T.
I DO SEE A FEW PROCESS ISSUES.

02:52:31.698,02:52:36.368
MY SENSE WITH THAT IS THAT WE
NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT WITH
THIS NOTICE OF MOTION BY

02:52:36.370,02:52:43.838
PASSING IT AND THEN MOVE ON TO
DEAL WITH THE IMPLEMENT — I
SEE THEM AS TIDBITS.

02:52:43.840,02:52:48.947
I SEE THEM AS DETAILS.
IF WE’VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH
THAT, WE’LL HAVE TO COME BACK.

02:52:48.949,02:52:55.175
BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN McLEOD.

02:52:55.177,02:53:02.059
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> WELL, THANK YOU.
SO I WANT TO THANK ALDERMAN

02:53:02.061,02:53:06.861
DEMONG FOR BRINGING THIS
MOTION.
I THINK WHEN WE DEBATE BATED

02:53:06.863,02:53:11.660
SECONDARY SUITES A WHILE AGO,
ONE OF THE — ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE HEARD, ONE OF

02:53:11.662,02:53:17.603
THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD WAS
THAT — FROM SOME MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL WAS THAT PEOPLE BOUGHT

02:53:17.605,02:53:23.628
INTO AN R1 NEIGHBOURHOOD AND
THEIR EXPECTATIONS WERE THAT
IF — IT WOULD AND SHOULD

02:53:23.630,02:53:31.477
REMAIN AN R1 NEIGHBOURHOOD AND
COUNCIL DID NOT SUPPORT MAKING
SECONDARY SUITES LEGAL IN –

02:53:31.479,02:53:35.815
ACROSS THE CITY IN ESTABLISHED
NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO ALDERMAN DEMONG HAS TAKEN

02:53:35.817,02:53:41.388
THAT VERY — HAS HEARD WHAT WE
SAID AND BROUGHT A MOTION
SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

02:53:41.390,02:53:46.425
I’M BRINGING A MOTION TO SAY
NEW NEIGHBORHOODS, ONES THAT
AREN’T BUILT YET, NODY LIVES

02:53:46.427,02:53:52.624
THERE YET SHOULD VERSUS
SECONDARY SUITES.
SO WE DON’T — WE BYPASS

02:53:52.626,02:53:57.423
ENTIRELY THE ARGUMENT AS TO
WHETHER PEOPLE ARE BUYING INTO
AND HAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT

02:53:57.425,02:54:03.160
THEY’RE GOING TO LIVE IN QUOTE
AN R1 NEIGHBOURHOOD AND HAVE
NO SECONDARY SUITES THERE.

02:54:03.162,02:54:09.766
ALDERMAN DEMONG’S MOTION
ADDRESS THAT IS COMPLETELY.
SO I HONESTLY CAN’T SEE ANY

02:54:09.768,02:54:12.869
REASON NOT TO SUPPORT THIS
MOTION.
AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY

02:54:12.871,02:54:18.743
DOES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

02:54:18.745,02:54:24.323
ALDERMAN CHABOT YOU’VE SPOKEN
TWICE ALREADY AS A MATTER OF
FACT.

02:54:24.325,02:54:27.192
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I VOTED ON
THE MOTION AS IT WAS
ORIGINALLY PRESENTED.

02:54:27.194,02:54:32.527
I VOTED ON AN AMENDMENT TO
THAT.
NOW WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE US

02:54:32.529,02:54:35.458
AS AMENDED WHICH –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YOU
CAN’T.

02:54:35.460,02:54:39.461
THANKS ALDERMAN CHABOT IT’S A
GOOD TRY, NO.
NO, YOU CAN’T.

02:54:39.463,02:54:44.359
>> SO YOU’RE RULING THAI CAN’T
DO THAT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I’M

02:54:44.361,02:54:50.297
RULING THAT YOU CAN’T DO THAT.
[ INTERJECTIONS ]
>> THE PREVIOUS WAY WE DID

02:54:50.299,02:54:53.233
BUSINESS, ON THAT POINT, YOUR
WORSHIP, I WOULD LIKE TO
CHALLENGE YOUR POSITION.

02:54:53.235,02:54:55.899
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: HE’S
CHALLENGING THE CHAIR.
>> FIRST ONE.

02:54:55.901,02:54:58.172
>> DO YOU NEED A SECONDER FOR
THAT?
OKAY.

02:54:58.174,02:55:00.684
ALL IN FAVOUR OF THE CHALLENGE
TO THE CHAIR?
NO.

02:55:00.686,02:55:03.820
>> NO YOU NEED A SECONDER.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S
WHAT I JUST SAID.

02:55:03.822,02:55:06.818
>> YEAH.
LET’S NOT LISTEN TO MARR
ANYMORE.

02:55:06.820,02:55:11.394
DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THAT
CHALLENGE?
THANKS, ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

02:55:11.396,02:55:16.368
ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE
CHALLENGE, ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?

02:55:16.370,02:55:20.509
>> OPPOSED.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SHALL
WE CALL THE ROLL?

02:55:20.511,02:55:28.822
>> ON THE CHALLENGE TO THE
CHAIR, ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> NOT SUPPORTIVE.

02:55:28.824,02:55:33.258
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART

02:55:33.260,02:55:35.727
MUCH.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.

02:55:35.729,02:55:41.332
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.
ALDERMAN HODGES.

02:55:41.334,02:55:44.063
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN JONES.
>> NO.

02:55:44.065,02:55:46.772
>> ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE.

02:55:46.774,02:55:51.616
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> NO.

02:55:51.618,02:55:54.453
>> ALDERMAN MARR.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

02:55:54.455,02:55:57.986
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> NO.

02:55:57.988,02:56:02.321
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
>> YES.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.

02:56:02.323,02:56:07.228
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.
>> YOUR WORSHIP.
>>

02:56:07.230,02:56:20.660
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU, ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.

02:56:20.662,02:56:25.638
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
SO MUCH, ALDERMAN McLEOD.
THIS HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY

02:56:25.640,02:56:31.614
STRANGE DEBATE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR MY
FINDING IT SO STRANGE IS

02:56:31.616,02:56:36.989
BECAUSE I TOO APPLAUD ALDERMAN
DEMONG FOR PUTTING THIS
FORWARD AND LOOKING FOR A

02:56:36.991,02:56:43.052
COMPROMISE BECAUSE I ALSO
HEARD THE PRIMARY ARGUMENTS
AGAINST THE SUITES WAS NOT IN

02:56:43.054,02:56:47.489
FACT TRAFFIC OR PARKING.
IT WAS THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PARKING

02:56:47.491,02:56:52.232
BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY BOUGHT
INTO A CERTAIN NEIGHBOURHOOD.
I’VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT TO BE A

02:56:52.234,02:56:56.199
STRANGE ARGUMENT PARTICULARLY
CONSIDERING THAT EVERY R1
NEIGHBOURHOOD THIS THIS CITY

02:56:56.201,02:57:01.094
WITH A FEW SMALL EXCEPTIONS
HAS FEWER PEOPLE LIVING IN IT
TODAY THAN IT DID FIVE OR TEN

02:57:01.096,02:57:05.064
YEARS AGO.
BUT NONETHELESS, REGARDLESS OF
THAT, THIS PARTICULAR ONE

02:57:05.066,02:57:09.036
ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE CONCERN
THAT MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES
HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.

02:57:09.038,02:57:13.266
I’VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES
FROM THE DISTINGUISHED
GENTLEMAN TO MY LEFT THAT HE’S

02:57:13.268,02:57:16.830
NOT OPPOSED TO SECONDARY
SUITES AS LONG AS YOU ASK
PEOPLE.

02:57:16.832,02:57:20.164
THERE’S NOBODY LIVING THERE TO
ASK.
IT’S RELATIVELY

02:57:20.166,02:57:23.770
STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT THIS
MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST IF

02:57:23.772,02:57:27.379
FOLKS ARE OPPOSED TO THE
SUITES BE OPPOSED TO THE
SUITES.

02:57:27.381,02:57:31.147
LET’S STOP HIDING BEHIND OTHER
ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THIS IS THE
CASE.

02:57:31.149,02:57:36.049
IN ADDITION, I JUST FEEL THE
NEED TO POINT OUT THAT I
THOUGHT IT WAS VERY

02:57:36.051,02:57:41.565
INTERESTING THAT A NUMBER OF
OUR COLLEAGUES JUMPED UP TO
THE DEFENSE OF AN INDUSTRY,

02:57:41.567,02:57:47.061
BOY THAT SORT OF REFLECTS
AROUND THIS COUNCIL SOMETIMES,
AN INDUSTRY THAT IS IN FACT IN

02:57:47.063,02:57:53.962
FAVOUR OF THE CHANGE.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT I
CHECKED AND MY SCREEN WENT

02:57:53.964,02:57:58.368
BLANK, YOU’LL HAVE TO TRUST
ME, WE RECEIVED A JOINT
SUBMISSION FROM UDI AND THE

02:57:58.370,02:58:03.643
HOME BUILDERS INDUSTRY EXACTLY
TWO MONTHS AGO STATING THAT
THEY BELIEVE THAT CALGARIANS

02:58:03.645,02:58:08.115
NEED ACCESS TO SAFE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
THEY BELIEVE IN RENTAL

02:58:08.117,02:58:12.981
ACCOMMODATION AND ARE STRONGLY
IN FAVOUR OF MAKING EVERY
SINGLE R1 HOUSE IN THE CITY

02:58:12.983,02:58:17.686
HAVING SECONDARY SUITES AS A
USE.
SO GIVEN THAT, I WILL ECHO AS

02:58:17.688,02:58:23.027
I SOMETIMES DO, MAYBE THE
FIRST TIME ACTUALLY ALDERMAN
CARRA, IN SAYING, GUYS, THIS

02:58:23.029,02:58:34.551
ONE’S A NO BRAINER.
>> THAT WAS A VERY ELOQUENT
CARRA ISM I BELIEVE.

02:58:34.553,02:58:41.660
ALDERMAN HODGES?
OKAY.
AND WE’RE GOING TO CALL A

02:58:41.662,02:58:51.469
VOTE.
VERY WELL.
YOU MAY CLOSE, YES.

02:58:51.471,02:58:55.606
>> JUST TO ADDRESS A FEW
ISSUES.
WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC OR

02:58:55.608,02:59:00.412
WITH REGARDS TO PARKING, THE
SAME RULES ARE GOING TO APPLY
TO SECONDARY SUITES THAT WE’VE

02:59:00.414,02:59:06.638
ALREADY INSTITUTED OR ARE IN
THE PROCESS OF WHICH
MANDATE — MANDATORY PARKING

02:59:06.640,02:59:12.039
ALLOWED ON SITE.
INDUSTRY CONCERNS THAT — AS
WE’VE DISCUSSED ARE VERY

02:59:12.041,02:59:17.052
MINIMAL AT THE VERY MOST, THE
ONLY CONCERNS I’D HAVE FROM
INDUSTRY IS A LEVEL PLAYING

02:59:17.054,02:59:23.534
FIELD WITH SOME THAT HAVE R1
ZONING AND AFTER THE MOVING OF
THIS, THOSE THAT WILL NOT.

02:59:23.536,02:59:28.570
THAT’S WHAT MOTION — THE
SECOND PART OF THIS MOTION IS
BASICALLY INVOLVING.

02:59:28.572,02:59:33.443
FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYTHING
ELSE HAS BEEN DEALT WITH.
MY APOLOGIES TO ALDERMAN

02:59:33.445,02:59:37.443
CHABOT.
I AGREED BUT FOR THE LESS THAN
PERFECT WORDING IN THE MOTION,

02:59:37.445,02:59:41.347
I AM NEW AT THIS.
I WILL GET BETTER AND BE
SIGNING UP IMMEDIATELY FOR

02:59:41.349,02:59:48.689
YOUR LEGISLATIVE VERBOLOGY
LESSONS.
WE ARE MOVING INTO THE

02:59:48.691,02:59:53.660
SANDWICH GENERATION.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF US ARE
ALREADY THERE.

02:59:53.662,02:59:59.575
WE’RE LOOKING FOR
GRANDMOTHERS, GRAND FATHERS,
CHILDREN’S SUITES, PARENTS’

02:59:59.577,03:00:03.844
SUITES, LET’S NOT
MISUNDERSTAND THIS.
I DO NOT — THIS FIRST AND

03:00:03.846,03:00:08.213
FOREMOST, THIS IS A PROPERTY
RIGHTS ISSUE FROM MY POINT OF
VIEW.

03:00:08.215,03:00:15.079
I DON’T AGREE WITH CHANGING AN
EXISTING PERSON’S R1 LOCATION
TO ALLOW SECONDARY SUITES

03:00:15.081,03:00:21.474
BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT ON THE
PERCEPTION THAT THEY WOULD NOT
HAVE TO HAVE IT.

03:00:21.476,03:00:26.238
IF ON THE OTHER HAND THEY NEED
THEIR PARENTS OR KIDS TO MOVE
IN, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE

03:00:26.240,03:00:30.502
INTO A NEW DISTRICT, HAVE THE
SECONDARY SUITES AVAILABLE TO
THEM AND SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS

03:00:30.504,03:00:34.042
IN THAT MANNER.
I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL BE
WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS.

03:00:34.044,03:00:41.065
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOVED.
>> AND IT’S CLOSED?

03:00:41.067,03:01:39.675
AND WE — ASK FOR A RECORDED
VOTE.
>> ON THE RECORDED VOTE,

03:01:39.677,03:01:43.916
ALDERMAN MARR FOR.
ALDERMAN HODGES AGAINST.
ALDERMAN FARRELL FOR.

03:01:43.918,03:01:48.420
FOR.
AMOUNT CARRA FOR.
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART FOR.

03:01:48.422,03:01:55.024
ALDERMAN CHABOT AGAINST.
ALDERMAN AMONG DEMONG FOR.
MAYOR NENSHI FOR.

03:01:55.026,03:02:00.733
ALDERMAN LOWE AGAINST.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS FOR.
ALDERMAN KEATING FOR.

03:02:00.735,03:02:06.512
ALDERMAN STEVENSON AGAINST.
ALDERMAN JONES FOR.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT FOR.

03:02:06.514,03:02:30.562
DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD FOR.
IT’S CARRIED YOUR WORSHIP.
>> THANK YOU.

03:02:32.198,03:02:38.140
PAIR MAYOR ALL RIGHT.
FOLKS, WITH THAT TAKING US TO
7.2 IN THE AGENDA.

03:02:38.142,03:02:41.273
I DON’T THINK WE QUITE MADE
THE RECORD FROM LAST WEEK, I’M
AFRAID.

03:02:41.275,03:02:47.373
THAT IS AGAIN ALDERMAN DEMONG
ON LIAISON FOR WHOLLY OWNED
SUBSIDIARIES.

03:02:47.375,03:02:53.155
DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS
ONE ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> YES, LET’S JUST CALL IT THE

03:02:53.157,03:02:59.489
DEMONG SHOW TODAY.
THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE NOTICE
OF MOTION.

03:02:59.491,03:03:04.724
IT’S NOT STATING WE’RE GOING
TO DO SOMETHING.
IT’S SIMPLY SUGGESTING WE LOOK

03:03:04.726,03:03:09.986
AT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT
ARE IN FRONT OF US.
WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, WE

03:03:09.988,03:03:14.726
HAVE A NUMBER AND A GROWING
NUMBER OF WHOLLY OWNED
SUBSIDIARIES OF THE CITY OF

03:03:14.728,03:03:19.487
CALGARY.
I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE — TO
SIMPLY GOING G TO THE

03:03:19.489,03:03:23.495
GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY
MANAGER AND CITY SOLICITORS TO

03:03:23.497,03:03:27.564
LOOK AT THE WAY THIS IS
GOVERNED.
COME BACK TO US WITH SOME

03:03:27.566,03:03:32.202
SUGGESTIONS, SOME OPTIONS,
THERE ARE A NUMBER FURTHER BE
IT RESOLVED, AS FAR AS I’M

03:03:32.204,03:03:36.904
CONCERNED IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO
APPEALED THAT TO LOSE THEM,
IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL TO ME.

03:03:36.906,03:03:40.946
THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS WITH
OPTIONS THAT I BELIEVE THE
TASKFORCE AND THOSE INVOLVED

03:03:40.948,03:03:46.653
SHOULD LOOK AT.
IT IS SIMPLY A SUGGESTION TO
SAY WHAT ARE WE DOING?

03:03:46.655,03:03:51.151
ARE WE DOING IT PROPERLY?
ARE THERE BETTER WAYS TO DO IT
AND SHOULD WE LOOK AT THESE

03:03:51.153,03:03:56.588
OTHER WAYS?
I LOOK TO YOU — I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE DEBATE.

03:03:56.590,03:04:01.031
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
VERY MUCH, ALDERMAN DEMONG.
I NEED A SECONDER.

03:04:01.033,03:04:04.302
I HEARD IT, ALDERMAN KEATING
THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

03:04:04.304,03:04:13.217
>> THANK YOU.
I STRUGGLEED WITH THIS ONE.
AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS

03:04:13.219,03:04:20.724
WITH ALDERMAN DEMONG ABOUT IT.
AND I STRUGGLED WITH IT.
I THINK THAT IF IT WAS

03:04:20.726,03:04:29.255
CLEAR-CUT, THAT WE’RE GOING TO
MAKE A DECISION TO REMOVE
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FROM WHOLLY

03:04:29.257,03:04:33.226
OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, I THINK
THAT WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE
CONVERSATION TO HAVE BECAUSE

03:04:33.228,03:04:36.829
THERE ARE VERY DEFINITE
CONSEQUENCES TO ACTUALLY
MAKING THAT DECISION.

03:04:36.831,03:04:43.409
I THINK HONESTLY WE SHOULD AND
COULD HAVE THAT — HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION.

03:04:43.411,03:04:48.115
IT CHANGES OUR RELATIONSHIP
WITH OUR WHOLLY OWNED
SUBSIDIARIES.

03:04:48.117,03:04:56.793
ARE WE AS A COUNCIL WILLING TO
HAVE A CONVERSATION AND SAY TO
OUR WHOLLY OWNED SUBS AND THE

03:04:56.795,03:05:01.260
BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OF WHOLLY
OWNED SUBSIDIARIES AND
CURRENTLY I BELIEVE WE’RE

03:05:01.262,03:05:17.823
TALKING ABOUT THREE, TAMIL
HOMES CALGARY, CMLC AND ENMAX
AND — I ALMOST SAID CRAP.

03:05:17.825,03:05:27.291
THE CALGARY REGIONAL AQUATIC
PROVIDER.
>> I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU DIDN’T

03:05:27.293,03:05:31.133
GO WITH MY NAME.
>> AS YOU KNOW, ALDERMAN
PINCOTT, THAT’S ONLY HALF OF

03:05:31.135,03:05:38.073
THE BUSINESS OF THE PROPOSED
WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES.
>> THE CALGARY AQUATIC

03:05:38.075,03:05:42.644
REGIONAL PROVIDER.
>> THIS IS GETTING WORSE.
>> SO WE HAVE FOUR WHOLLY

03:05:42.646,03:05:47.142
OWNED SUBS.
IF WE’RE WILLING AS A COUNCIL
TO SAY TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS

03:05:47.144,03:05:52.454
AND TO THOSE BOARDS OF
DIRECTORS THAT’S FINE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE

03:05:52.456,03:05:59.829
INDEPENDENT AND WE WANT TO –
AND WE AS A COUNCIL ARE
PUTTING OUR TRUST IN YOU AS AN

03:05:59.831,03:06:05.065
ORGANIZATION, YOU AS THE BOARD
OF DIRECTORS, I WOULD BE
WILLING VERY MUCH TO HAVE THAT

03:06:05.067,03:06:10.163
CONVERSATION.
UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WE HAVE
BEFORE US IS NOT THAT.

03:06:10.165,03:06:16.034
IT’S NOT TO ALLOW AND SUPPORT
THE INDEPENDENCE AND THE
GREATER INDEPENDENCE OF THE

03:06:16.036,03:06:22.666
ORGANIZATIONS.
IT IS LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN
EXTRACT MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND

03:06:22.668,03:06:35.214
YET FIND A WAY TO HAVE A
WATCHDOG OR GREATER WATCHDOG
ROLE OVER THESE ORGANIZATIONS

03:06:35.216,03:06:38.514
AND I DON’T SEE HOW WE ARE
FURTHER AHEAD.
WITH THAT.

03:06:38.516,03:06:43.612
I DON’T SEE HOW LOOKING AT
CREATING A — HIRING AND
CREATING A NEW POSITION AND

03:06:43.614,03:06:51.955
HIRING SOMEBODY TO GO TO BOARD
MEETINGS FOR OUR WHOLLY OWNED
SUBS AND THEN FIND A REPORTING

03:06:51.957,03:06:56.259
MECHANISM BACK TO COUNCIL GETS
US ANY FURTHER AHEAD.
WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY SITTING

03:06:56.261,03:07:00.305
IN THE ROOM WHO WOULDN’T BE
ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
DISCUSSION, WHO WOULDN’T BE

03:07:00.307,03:07:06.375
ABLE TO BRING COUNCIL INSIGHT
ON WHAT COUNCIL IS THINKING AS
THE SHAREHOLDERS THINKING, WHO

03:07:06.377,03:07:11.716
WOULDN’T HAVE ANY VOTING
RESPONSIBILITY, WHO WOULD HAVE
TO LEAVE THE ROOM FOR IN

03:07:11.718,03:07:18.657
CAMERA DISCUSSIONS OR SHOULD
THEY SIGN NON-CLOSURE
AGREEMENTS WITH STAY IN THE

03:07:18.659,03:07:23.893
ROOM FOR IN CAMERA DISCUSSIONS
AND YET WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
ACTUALLY REPORT THOSE TO THE

03:07:23.895,03:07:30.071
SHAREHOLDER, TO COUNCIL.
THE END OF THE DAY, WE WOULD
BE — WE WOULD HAVE CREATED A

03:07:30.073,03:07:37.154
NEW POSITION, CREATED A NEW
LEVEL OF BUREAUCRACY AND FROM
A REPORTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY

03:07:37.156,03:07:43.051
AND GOVERNANCE PER
SPECULATIVE, IN MY VIEW WE
WOULD ACTUALLY BE FURTHER

03:07:43.053,03:07:48.315
AHEAD — FURTHER BEHIND.
YEAH, RIGHT.
FURTHER BEHIND.

03:07:48.317,03:07:56.477
SO IF THIS MOTION HAD BEEN
CLEAR TO ME IN SAYING COUNCIL
DECIDE NOT TO HAVE MEMBERS OF

03:07:56.479,03:08:05.276
COUNCIL ON BOARDS OF WHOLLY
OWNED SUBS AND, B, LET’S FIND
A NEW REPORTING MECHANISM FOR

03:08:05.278,03:08:08.742
THOSE WHOLLY OWNED SUBS, I
WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER
THAT.

03:08:08.744,03:08:14.086
BUT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING WHERE
WE’RE TRYING TO CREATE A NEW
REPORTING RELATIONSHIP, HIRE

03:08:14.088,03:08:18.887
NEW PEOPLE, WHAT DO — WHAT
ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR
THOSE PEOPLE AND THEN BE

03:08:18.889,03:08:29.324
FURTHER BEHIND IN HOW WE
REATE WITH OUR WHOLLY OWNED
SUBSIDIARIES TO ME IS WRONG.

03:08:29.326,03:08:39.294
AS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE ADD
VALUE TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
WE ADD VALUE.

03:08:39.296,03:08:42.865
A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE NOT
BOARDS THAT WE WOULD BE ON IF
WE WERE NOT MEMBERS OF

03:08:42.867,03:08:46.267
COUNCIL.
AND THAT’S FINE.
THAT’S GOOD.

03:08:46.269,03:08:51.878
WE’RE THERE FOR A REASON.
WE DO ADD VALUE.
WE MAKE THE ORGANIZATIONS

03:08:51.880,03:08:58.778
BETTER.
WE MAKE THEM MORE RESPONSIVE.
WE — WE BRING A PERSPECTIVE

03:08:58.780,03:09:03.319
TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
OWNED BY THE CITY OF CALGARY
THAT CANNOT OTHERWISE BE

03:09:03.321,03:09:08.746
BROUGHT.
IF WE’RE WILLING TO — IF WE
WANT TO CONSIDER THE

03:09:08.748,03:09:12.751
INDEPENDENCE OF THOSE
ORGANIZATIONS, THAT’S A WHOLE
OTHER BEAST.

03:09:12.753,03:09:23.688
BUT TO LOOK AT DOING THIS
UNDER — TO ME, UNDER THE
GUISE OF HAVING A TIGHTER REIN

03:09:23.690,03:09:29.464
ON THE — ON THE — OUR WHOLLY
OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, THIS TO ME
IN Z NOT THE WAY TO GO.

03:09:29.466,03:09:36.563
SO I — I WAS LOOKING –
ALDERMAN DEMONG I WAS LOOKING
FOR A WAY THAT I COULD SUPPORT

03:09:36.565,03:09:39.860
THIS.
I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PIECE IN
THERE THAT I COULD SUPPORT AND

03:09:39.862,03:09:44.838
I COULDN’T FIND IT.
I COULDN’T EXTRACT IT.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING

03:09:44.840,03:09:53.557
THIS.
AND I WOULD URGE COUNCIL TO
THINK VERY SERIOUS SERIOUSLY

03:09:53.559,03:09:57.755
ABOUT SUPPORTING THIS.
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO OUR

03:09:57.757,03:10:02.859
RELATIONSHIPS THAT FLOW OUT OF
THIS.
AND THOSE ARE THE REAL

03:10:02.861,03:10:12.972
QUESTIONS THAT YOU — THAT WE
SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS

03:10:12.974,03:10:19.217
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

03:10:19.219,03:10:24.416
I TOO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
ALDERMAN DEMONG ABOUT THIS
MOTION AND AT THE TIME, I’M A

03:10:24.418,03:10:32.287
GREAT BELIEVER IN LESS IS
MORE.
THOSE MOTIONS WENT ON AN AWFUL

03:10:32.289,03:10:41.636
LONG WAY.
I AGREE WITH ALDERMAN PINCOTT –
>> NO, I THINK I ADD VALUE TO

03:10:41.638,03:10:47.506
COUNCIL BEING ON THE ENMAX
BOARD.
BUT FROM A PURE GOVERNANCE

03:10:47.508,03:10:51.539
PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS AN ISSUE
WITH THE RELATED DIRECTOR ON A
BOARD.

03:10:51.541,03:10:57.877
AND BEST PRACTICES CLEARLY
SUGGEST THAT BOARD SHOULD BE
MADE UP COMPLETELY OF

03:10:57.879,03:11:08.268
UNRELATED DIRECTORS.
AND FROM THAT POSITION I’M
QUITE PREPARED TO HAVE COUNCIL

03:11:08.270,03:11:15.368
LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.
BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A
DESIRE ON THE PART OF COUNCIL

03:11:15.370,03:11:21.233
TO HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT OF ITS
WHOLLY OWNED OTHER THAN
APPROVING THE STRATEGIC PLAN

03:11:21.235,03:11:26.572
AND THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND
APPOINTING A BOARD OF
DIRECTORS.

03:11:26.574,03:11:32.978
BUT THAT AT THE MOMENT IS I
WILL DEFINED.
– I WAS RUNNING THROUGH THIS

03:11:32.980,03:11:37.649
TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO
SHORTEN UP THE LANGUAGE AND
UNFORTUNATELY I CAN’T WITHOUT

03:11:37.651,03:11:40.755
RUNNING THE RISK OF BECOMING
CONTRARY.
DOESN’T MEAN TO SAY I’M NOT

03:11:40.757,03:11:45.896
GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
IF IN FACT WE DO THAT, I THINK
ALDERMAN PINCOTT’S POINT ABOUT

03:11:45.898,03:11:51.005
COUNCIL THEN HAS TO RECOGNIZE
IF WE TAKE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
OFF THESE BOARDS, REGARDLESS

03:11:51.007,03:12:00.988
OF THE OVERSIGHT ARRANGEMENT
WE MAKE, WE THEN HAVE TO HAVE
THE COURAGE TO ENTRUST TO

03:12:00.990,03:12:08.687
THOSE BOARDS THE GOVERNANCE OF
OUR WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES
WITHIN THE POLICY DIRECTION

03:12:08.689,03:12:13.593
SET BY COUNCIL WHO IS A
SHAREHOLDER.
SO THERE’S A COUPLE OF QUANTUM

03:12:13.595,03:12:20.130
LEAPS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN
THERE.
SO I AM — GIVEN THE LANGUAGE

03:12:20.132,03:12:31.834
OF THIS MOTION, WHICH I SEE IS
SAYING — AS LOOKING AT AND
MAKING — BRINGING

03:12:31.836,03:12:35.032
RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THE
LEGISLATIVE GOVERNANCE
TASKFORCE, I’M PREPARED TO

03:12:35.034,03:12:39.631
SUPPORT IT.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT SORT OF THINGS WE COME

03:12:39.633,03:12:48.704
OUT WITH AT THE END AND
WHETHER THAT LEVEL OF
OVERSIGHT OF OUR WHOLLY OWNED

03:12:48.706,03:12:53.680
SUBSIDIARIES AS I SAY OTHER
THAN APPROVING THE END
STRATEGIC PLAN, THE BUDGET AND

03:12:53.682,03:13:01.693
APPOINTING BOARD MEMBERS, IF
THAT SATISFIES COUNCIL’S
CONCERNS, IT’S BEEN DONE BY

03:13:01.695,03:13:08.693
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN
CANADA.
EPCOR DOES NOT HAVE ANY

03:13:08.695,03:13:12.361
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SITTING ON
ITS BOARD.
TO BE CANDID, I DON’T KNOW THE

03:13:12.363,03:13:17.871
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EPCOR AND
THE CITY OF EDMONTON.
I KNOW THAT ANECDOTALLY, THE

03:13:17.873,03:13:22.568
CITY MANAGER AND THE CHAIR OR
THE CEO OF EPCOR MEET
PERIODICALLY.

03:13:22.570,03:13:28.378
AND THAT SEEMS TO SATISFY THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT
CORPORATION.

03:13:28.380,03:13:34.990
A SIMILAR SIZE, SIMILAR
NATURE, SIMILAR INDUSTRY.
BUT AGAIN WITH A DIFFERENT

03:13:34.992,03:13:47.234
COUNCIL THAN WE HAVE HERE.
SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS.
MY SUPPORT IS — IT’S

03:13:47.236,03:13:51.370
TENTATIVE.
IT IS TENTATIVE.
BECAUSE I AM CURIOUS ABOUT

03:13:51.372,03:13:57.817
WHAT IT IS REALLY THAT COUNCIL
WANTS TO HAVE AND HOW WE
ACHIEVE THAT AND IF IN FACT WE

03:13:57.819,03:14:03.988
ACHIEVE IT IN A BETTER WAY
THAN HAVING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
SIT ON THESE BOARDS AND I WILL

03:14:03.990,03:14:09.093
REPEAT, I THINK I SERVE ENMAX
WELL.
I THINK I SERVE COUNCIL WELL.

03:14:09.095,03:14:16.633
AND I THINK I SERVE THE CITY
OF CALGARY WELL BY MY PRESENCE
ON THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.

03:14:16.635,03:14:21.914
ARE WE CONFLICTED?
EVERY DAY.
ARE WE CONFLICTED HERE?

03:14:21.916,03:14:31.015
EVERY DAY.
ALDERMAN DEMONG POINTS OUT
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS — SORRY

03:14:31.017,03:14:35.925
ALDERMAN PINCOTT POINTS OUT
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT
WHOEVER WE WOULD HAVE, THEY’RE

03:14:35.927,03:14:41.367
EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEMS WE
HAVE TODAY.
SO IT’S — I THINK IT’S AN

03:14:41.369,03:14:49.640
AREA GIVEN THAT WE’RE SUB3
MOVING TO WHOLLY OWNED RIGHT
AND PROPER TO ADDRESS IT NOW.

03:14:49.642,03:14:53.745
BECAUSE I THINK AS OUR
CORPORATION GROWS, THE
CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF

03:14:53.747,03:15:00.216
CALGARY GROWS AND WE BECOME
MORE COMPLEX, IN ALL
LIKELIHOOD, THERE WILL BE MORE

03:15:00.218,03:15:04.894
NOT LESS WHOLLY OWNED SIB SID
YEARS IN OUR LIVES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR

03:15:04.896,03:15:07.959
WORSHIP MUCH
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN McLEOD.

03:15:07.961,03:15:12.691
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES WITH
THIS.

03:15:12.693,03:15:19.551
WHAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO
SUPPORT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
BROADER AND MORE ENCOMPASSING.

03:15:19.553,03:15:25.794
THE MOTION CAPTURES ALL WHOLLY
OWNED SUBSIDIARIES AS IF
THEY’RE EQUAL AND OF COURSE

03:15:25.796,03:15:34.308
EACH ONE I THINK IS DIFFERENT
AND HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR
ALDERMAN I CAN IMPORTANCE FOR

03:15:34.310,03:15:43.981
VARG REASONS.
MY ISSUE I THINK IS ALSO –
WITH RESPECT TO ENMAX, FOR

03:15:43.983,03:15:49.158
EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT IF WE
HAVE AN OVERSIGHT PERSON, WE
HAVE SOMEONE INDIVIDUAL THAT

03:15:49.160,03:15:56.793
HAS BEEN NOTED AS EQUALLY
CONFLICTED AS THE ALDERMAN AND
YET WOULD HAVE NO VOICE AND I

03:15:56.795,03:15:59.999
THINK THAT’S THE WORST OF BOTH
SITUATIONS.
I THINK WE’RE EITHER IN AND

03:16:00.001,03:16:03.750
WE’RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN
THE GOVERNANCE OF ENMAX OR WE
GET OUT.

03:16:03.752,03:16:09.652
LIKEWISE WITH OUR OTHER HOLE
WHOELLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT

03:16:09.654,03:16:14.258
WHAT THE PURPOSE IS, WHY WE’RE
CREATING THESE ORGANIZATIONS
OUTSIDE OF ADMINISTRATION AND

03:16:14.260,03:16:19.327
THEN DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE
ISSUES AND HOW WE OVERSEE
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE I

03:16:19.329,03:16:23.204
THINK THIS IS A PATTERN THAT
WE’RE DEVELOPING.
ENMAX IS ONE.

03:16:23.206,03:16:30.912
BUT WE’RE LOOKING AT THE
WATER, WASTE WATER.
AND WE’RE LOOKING — WE’RE

03:16:30.914,03:16:37.585
LOOKING AT SEVERAL OTHERS THAT
I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF
MY HEAD, AT LEAST TWO.

03:16:37.587,03:16:42.553
SO IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO
MAKE THIS MUCH, MUCH MORE
ENCOMPASSING.

03:16:42.555,03:16:47.688
LOOK AT OUR POLICY STATEMENTS
FIRST AND THEN TALK ABOUT HOW
WE’RE GOING TO OVERSEE,

03:16:47.690,03:16:53.297
INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE
BYLAWS OF EACH ORGANIZATION
BECAUSE I DON’T THINK IT’S A

03:16:53.299,03:16:56.937
ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AS A
QUICK CLARIFICATION, ALDERMAN

03:16:56.939,03:17:01.710
McLEOD, I’M SORRY TO PICK ON
YOU BUT I’VE HEARD THIS A
COUPLE OF TIMES, I WANTED TO

03:17:01.712,03:17:07.422
CLARIFY ONE THING.
AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL SET UP A
LEGISLATIVE GOVERNANCE

03:17:07.424,03:17:13.094
TASKFORCE, MEETING THIS WEEK I
THINK, TOMORROW, AND ONE OF
THE THINGS ON THE — AND THE

03:17:13.096,03:17:17.764
CLERK REALLY WANTS US TO SET
UP MORE AND MORE TASKFORCES
BECAUSE SHE IS LOVES THEM, BUT

03:17:17.766,03:17:21.801
ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE WORK
PLAN FOR THE LEGISLATIVE
GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE IS IN

03:17:21.803,03:17:27.238
FACT A BROAD REVIEW OF
COUNCIL’S REPRESENTATION ON
WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES.

03:17:27.240,03:17:33.616
RIGHT NOW IT’S ALL DIFFERENT.
SO THE WAY I READ THIS NOTICE
OF MOTION REALLY IS THAT IT’S

03:17:33.618,03:17:37.991
THROWING IN ONE ITEM THAT
SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AS PART OF
THAT OVERALL REVIEW.

03:17:37.993,03:17:42.760
DON’T FORGET TO TALK ABOUT
THIS AS YOUR UNDERTAKING THE
REVIEW.

03:17:42.762,03:17:48.234
I THINK THE TIMELINE’S A BIT
AGGRESSIVE.
SORRY I’M GETTING INTO DEBATE.

03:17:48.236,03:17:51.540
THAT’S HOW I READ IT.
TO — HOPEFULLY IT GIVES YOU A
BIT OF COMFORT THAT THAT

03:17:51.542,03:17:56.006
OVERALL REVIEW THAT YOU’RE
ASKING FOR IS SOMETHING THAT’S
ALREADY UNDER WAY THROUGH THAT

03:17:56.008,03:18:00.069
TASKFORCE.
>> BUT WHAT I’M HEARING YOU
SAY IS THE OVERALL REVIEW IS

03:18:00.071,03:18:03.245
ABOUT REPRESENTATION BEING
DIFFERENT AND I DO THINK IT
NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT.

03:18:03.247,03:18:06.951
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: IT’S
ABOUT — I THINK THE WHERE
HADDING THAT WE USED WAS

03:18:06.953,03:18:13.284
GOVERNANCE OF SUBSIDIARIES AND
ARM’S LENGTH ORGANIZATIONS.
SO IT’S SORT OF A BIG

03:18:13.286,03:18:17.425
OVERVIEW.
>> I’D LIKE TO TAKE IT ONE
STEP — GO BACK ONE STEP

03:18:17.427,03:18:21.559
FURTHER.
WHO WHO QUHA ARE THE PROS AND
CONS?

03:18:21.561,03:18:25.626
>> I UNDERSTAND.
>> WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
IT IS WE’RE CREATING BEFORE WE

03:18:25.628,03:18:28.660
FIGURE OUT HOW TO GOVERN IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

03:18:28.662,03:18:34.399
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU.
SO THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

03:18:34.401,03:18:41.769
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I’LL BE INTERESTED TO READ
ALDERMAN DEMONG’S BOOK.

03:18:41.771,03:18:48.044
WHEN HE WRITES T MIGHT ONLY BE
THREE PARAGRAPHS LONG.
THIS AS SENTENCE WITH 165

03:18:48.046,03:18:54.805
WORDS IN T I HAD TO STOP AND
TAKE A BREATH HERE.
BUT MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR

03:18:54.807,03:19:02.287
NOT THIS TIMING AS YOU
MENTIONED YOUR WORSHIP, WHAT
DO YOU — MAYBE I COULD ASK

03:19:02.289,03:19:08.830
THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT DO YOU
THINK IS INVOLVED IN COMING
BACK IN THREE WEEKS WITH A

03:19:08.832,03:19:12.102
REPORT?
CAN YOU — IS THAT SOMETHING
DOABLE?

03:19:12.104,03:19:17.236
>> WELL, –
>> PARDON?
>> NO.

03:19:17.238,03:19:23.577
>> NOT WELL.
>> BECAUSE I — IT’S SEEMING
TO ME AND I’M — I RAISED –

03:19:23.579,03:19:28.677
READ THIS SENTENCE OVER AND
OVER AGAIN TRYING TO PICK OUT
EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THIS

03:19:28.679,03:19:32.984
REPORT IS GOING TO HAVE.
OVERALL, I’M SUPPORTIVE OF
WHAT THE — WHAT ALDERMAN

03:19:32.986,03:19:38.729
DEMONG IS TRYING TO DO HERE.
I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE
DO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, HAVE

03:19:38.731,03:19:45.100
THIS LOOK AT IT, BUT I’M JUST
NOT SURE THAT THE — THAT THE
9th OF MAY IS SOMETHING THAT’S

03:19:45.102,03:19:50.875
REASONABLE FOR US TO GET THE
KIND OF INFORMATION WE NEED
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

03:19:50.877,03:19:56.216
SO I’LL LEAVE IT TO SEE WHAT
THE REST OF COUNCIL THINKS,
BUT I’M — I THINK IT’S A

03:19:56.218,03:19:59.043
PROBLEM FOR ME.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

03:19:59.045,03:20:03.744
YOU ALDERMAN STEVENSON.
I SUSPECT SOMEONE MAY TRY TO
CHANGE THE DATES SOON.

03:20:03.746,03:20:10.896
BUT ANYWAY, ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I HATE TO GO DOWN A LITTLE

03:20:10.898,03:20:15.941
BIRD WALK, BUT UNFORTUNATELY
YOU BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO

03:20:15.943,03:20:21.410
THANK ALDERMAN LOWE FOR FOR
THE DUCKING THE ISSUE AND
GOING FORWARD AND CONTINUING.

03:20:21.412,03:20:27.907
USUALLY HE GIVES US VERY GOOD
WISE OWL WORDS AND I
APPRECIATE THEM ALL.

03:20:27.909,03:20:31.235
BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT CHANGE OF
PRACTICE BECAUSE I’VE SAID IT
MANY TIMES.

03:20:31.237,03:20:39.083
WE’RE ASKING CITY
ADMINISTRATORERS TO DO T WE’RE
ASKING THE CITY TO DO IT IN

03:20:39.085,03:20:41.154
GENERAL.
I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE
LEADING THE PRACTICE, NOT

03:20:41.156,03:20:46.624
SOMETIMES FINDING WAYS TO
AVOID IT OR TO GO AROUND IT.
ALL WE HAVE BEFORE US IS A

03:20:46.626,03:20:50.830
MOTION THAT SAYS LET’S GET
THERE AND DISCUSS IT.
LET’S GO THROUGH THE

03:20:50.832,03:20:57.242
GOVERNANCE TASK COMMITTEE TO
ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AND MOVE
FORWARD.

03:20:57.244,03:21:02.349
ONCE AGAIN, COUNCIL SHOULD BE
LEADING THIS WAY AND WE SHOULD
BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS

03:21:02.351,03:21:10.386
OF DOING THINGS AS AN EXAMPLE
RATHER THAN OPPOSING CHANGES.
ALL THE ITEMS THAT ALDERMAN

03:21:10.388,03:21:15.155
PINCOTT RAISED WERE AT THE
EXACT REASONS OF WHY WE NEED
THAT DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN

03:21:15.157,03:21:22.030
SIMPLY LOOK AT THEM, DECIDE
WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE
DOWN THIS ROAD AND ONCE AGAIN

03:21:22.032,03:21:25.967
SEE IF THERE’S A NEED FOR
CHANGE OF PRACTICE TO HAVE
BETTER GOVERNANCE.

03:21:25.969,03:21:31.267
THERE’S BEEN MANY — SOME
SIMPLE ISSUES IN THE PAST
WHEREAS A COUNCIL WE’VE HAD

03:21:31.269,03:21:35.401
TROUBLE EVEN GETTING OVER THE
SIMPLE HURDLES AND I THINK
THAT’S ONCE AGAIN THE

03:21:35.403,03:21:38.699
DIRECTION COUNCIL SHOULD BE
SETTING FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND
GOING DOWN THAT ROUTE MUCH

03:21:38.701,03:21:43.843
MORE.
AND THIS IS SIMPLEY THAT WAY
OF SAYING LET’S LOOK AT IT, IS

03:21:43.845,03:21:47.950
THERE A BETTER WAY?
LET’S DISCUSS T I CERTAINLY
WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.

03:21:47.952,03:21:50.619
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN KOOGT.

03:21:50.621,03:21:53.683
ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YES, THANK YOU, YOUR
WORSHIP.

03:21:53.685,03:21:59.821
I TOO REMEMBER DISCUSSING THIS
WITH ALDERMAN DEMONG ACTUALLY
St. PATRICK’S DAY IF I’M NOT

03:21:59.823,03:22:03.691
MISTAKEN.
THE NOTION OF A LIAISON
OFFICER CONCERNS ME FOR A

03:22:03.693,03:22:10.294
NUMBER OF STRONG AND SOLID
WISE POINTS MADE EARLIER.
ALSO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THE

03:22:10.296,03:22:16.561
OF THE HOST BOARD.
THE SUBSIDIARY BOARD.
I WOULD FEEL YOU EVER

03:22:16.563,03:22:21.165
UNCOMFORTABLE BEING WITH SUCH
A LIAISON OFFICER WHOSE
RESPONSIBILITIES, FIDUCIARY

03:22:21.167,03:22:26.012
DUTIES WOULD BE PERHAPS
UNCERTAIN AND WHETHER THE
CANDOR THAT A BOARD NEEDS TO

03:22:26.014,03:22:30.686
OPERATE IN THE INTEREST OF THE
ORGANIZATION WOULD BE IMPAIRED
BY SUCH A PRESENCE.

03:22:30.688,03:22:34.418
I THINK IT’S AN OPEN QUESTION.
I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
INITIATIVE FORWARD.

03:22:34.420,03:22:38.525
IT’S BEEN THE ELEPHANT IN THE
ROOM SINCE WE’VE BEEN ELECTED.
IN FACT DURING THE CAMPAIGN,

03:22:38.527,03:22:43.566
CERTAINLY IN WARD 6, THE
NOTION OF ENMAX BOARD
GOVERNANCE CAME UP WITH MORE

03:22:43.568,03:22:49.741
THAN ONE FORUM.
SO YOUR MOTION IS TIMELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO — AND I’M NOT

03:22:49.743,03:22:55.942
SURE PROCEDURALLY THROUGH THE
CHAIR, THE IDEA OF PERHAPS
REFERRING THIS TO THE

03:22:55.944,03:23:00.253
LEGISLATIVE GOVERNANCE
TASKFORCE AND IF THAT WOULD BE
AN APPROPRIATE MOTION TO MAKE.

03:23:00.255,03:23:02.786
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I
THINK THAT’S REALLY WHAT TH
MOTION DOES.

03:23:02.788,03:23:10.323
>> BUT IT MAKES EXPLICIT
INFORMATION THE LIAISON
OFFICER –

03:23:10.325,03:23:14.093
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I
WON’T SAY CONFUSINGLY WRITTEN,
JUST A LOT OF WORDS THERE.

03:23:14.095,03:23:19.501
I THINK — I REALLY DO THINK
THAT ALDERMAN DEMONG’S INTENT
WITH THIS IS TO THROW AN IDEA

03:23:19.503,03:23:25.616
INTO THE HOPPER OF THE WORK
THAT THE LEGISLATIVE
GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE IS DOING

03:23:25.618,03:23:30.591
ANYWAY.
>> THIS IS A COUNCIL MOTION
AND I WON FER THIS WOULD BE A

03:23:30.593,03:23:33.295
MORE DIRECT AND DISTINCT
MANNER?
I THINK –

03:23:33.297,03:23:36.917
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S
WHAT IT’S DOING ANYWAY.
>> I’LL TAKE THAT ADVICE THEN.

03:23:36.919,03:23:39.614
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.

03:23:39.616,03:23:47.087
ALDERMAN MARR?
>> THANK YOU.
SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY,

03:23:47.089,03:23:55.268
VERY INTERESTING CONCEPT.
WHAT IT IS IS IT’S ASKING US
TO GO THROUGH PERIODIC REVIEW.

03:23:55.270,03:24:00.304
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AS
TO WHETHER OR NOT MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL SHOULD STILL BE ON

03:24:00.306,03:24:04.177
THESE WHOLLY OWNED
SUBSIDIARIES.
MAYBE WE SHOULD CERTAINLY

03:24:04.179,03:24:11.690
INVESTIGATE THESE OPTIONS.
SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS
THE MOTION SUGGESTS MAY 9th

03:24:11.692,03:24:17.787
WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY
VERY SOON.
AND WE’RE ALSO UNDERGOING

03:24:17.789,03:24:26.027
RIGHT NOW A GOVERNANCE REVIEW
OF ENMAX AND I’M WONDERING IF
REFERRING THIS BACK — SORRY,

03:24:26.029,03:24:31.563
REFERRING THIS BACK BUT
CHANGING THE TIME THAT THE
COMMITTEE WOULD REPORT, THE

03:24:31.565,03:24:39.324
TASKFORCE WILL REPORT BACK TO
COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK THAT — SORRY?

03:24:39.326,03:24:44.865
>> I’D CONSIDER THAT FRIENDLY.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
WHEN IS THE ENMAX REVIEW

03:24:44.867,03:24:51.395
SCHEDULED TO BE DONE?
DO WE HAVE A DATE?
>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE

03:24:51.397,03:24:54.501
WORK OF THE LEGISLATIVE
GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE?
>> YES.

03:24:54.503,03:24:59.378
>> IT’S NOT SPECIFICALLY AN
ENMAX REVIEW.
WE DON’T REALLY HAVE A

03:24:59.380,03:25:03.115
TIMELINE.
I IMAGINE THAT GIVEN SOME OF
THE OTHER APPOINTMENTS THAT WE

03:25:03.117,03:25:09.593
HAVE TO MAKE AND BYLAWS, I’D
LIKE TO SEE THAT WORK DONE
THIS YEAR.

03:25:09.595,03:25:13.690
AND WE’VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN
THE PAST AROUND ORGANIZATION
DAY AS BEING A POTENTIAL DAY

03:25:13.692,03:25:19.862
WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE
AROUND SOME APPOINTMENTS SINCE
WE DO THAT ANYWAY ON THAT DAY.

03:25:19.864,03:25:22.698
BUT THAT TOO MIGHT BE A LITTLE
FAST.
SO MY — I WOULD SUGGEST BY

03:25:22.700,03:25:30.109
THE END OF THIS YEAR.
>> SOMEWHERE SORT OF NO LATER
THAN END OF 2011 THEN.

03:25:30.111,03:25:34.852
THIS DOES NOT — COUNCIL, THIS
DOES NOT CHANGE THE ABILITY
FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE

03:25:34.854,03:25:38.690
SOONER?
BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO HAVE
THAT FLEXIBILITY AND BE ABLE

03:25:38.692,03:25:44.727
TO REPORT BACK.
SO I THINK IT WILL CHANGE THAT
DATE TO BE NO LATER THAN

03:25:44.729,03:25:50.194
DECEMBER 31st, 2011.
WHATEVER THE LAST COUNCIL DAY
IN DECEMBER IS IF I MIGHT

03:25:50.196,03:26:05.049
MADAM CLERK.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NUMBER
19.

03:26:05.051,03:26:09.153
>> DECEMBER 19th.
>> HOLIDAY BY HOLIDAY TREATS.
>> THAT’S ABOUT SIX MONTHS FOR

03:26:09.155,03:26:16.699
US TO GET THE WORK COMPLETED
AND ALLOW THE COMPLIMENTARY
WORK TO BE COMPLETED IN

03:26:16.701,03:26:19.665
CONJUNCTION WITH.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
BUT I’M SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA

03:26:19.667,03:26:24.367
AND THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF
EXAMINING OUR OWN POLICIES.
THANK YOU.

03:26:24.369,03:26:30.233
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO YOU
HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR
THEN TO CHANGE MAY 9th TO

03:26:30.235,03:26:35.643
DECEMBER 19th.
>> CONSIDERED FRIENDLY.
>> WHO WAS THE SECONDER?

03:26:35.645,03:26:39.456
LET’S VOTE REAL QUICK T AS
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.
A SECONDER?

03:26:39.458,03:26:43.036
YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU SECONDED
THE MAIN MOTION.
THANKS ALDERMAN LOWE.

03:26:43.038,03:26:47.469
ALL RIGHT, ON THE DATE CHANGE
AMENDMENT THEN ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

03:26:47.471,03:26:50.075
CARRIED.
ALL RIGHT.
DID YOU WANT TO CLOSE ON THE

03:26:50.077,03:26:56.011
MAIN MOTION ALDERMAN DEMONG?
AS AMENDED?
ALDERMAN CHABOT SORRY, GO

03:26:56.013,03:27:00.582
AHEAD.
>> WELL, I GUESS A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS YOUR WORSHIP.

03:27:00.584,03:27:07.884
IF THE GIVE NANCE TASKFORCE IS
ALREADY UNDERTAKING THIS WORK,
DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO PASS

03:27:07.886,03:27:15.993
THIS MOTION TO REVIEW THIS
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.
BUT IT DOESN’T HURT TO DO SO

03:27:15.995,03:27:23.065
EITHER.
I — I HAD — HAD ALDERMAN
DEMONG NOT PUT THIS MOTION,

03:27:23.067,03:27:27.361
I’M NOT SURE THIS EXACT IDEA
WOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED
BY THE TASKFORCE.

03:27:27.363,03:27:32.304
IF THIS PASSES, THEN THIS IDEA
WILL BE INVESTIGATED BY THEM.
>> WE’RE LOOKING AT DECEMBER

03:27:32.306,03:27:37.005
NOW, RIGHT?
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AS
AMENDED WHICH TO ME MAKES

03:27:37.007,03:27:39.939
SENSE.
IT WILL ALLOW THIS TO BE
CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF

03:27:39.941,03:27:42.374
THE OTHER QUESTIONS THE
TASKFORCE IS ASKING.
>> OKAY.

03:27:42.376,03:27:46.670
WELL, I’LL SEE WHAT ALDERMAN
DEMONG HAS TO SAY IN HIS
CLOSING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR

03:27:46.672,03:27:59.615
NOT I’LL SUPPORT IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ALDERMAN DEMONG.

03:27:59.617,03:28:07.526
>> WELL, AS TO — AS TO
ALDERMAN PINCOTT’S CONCERNS,
WE MAY WELL HAVE THOSE

03:28:07.528,03:28:12.298
DISCUSSIONS BE WE’RE MOVING.
ALL OF THE CONDITIONERS YOU
BROUGHT UP SHOULD BE DISCUSSED

03:28:12.300,03:28:16.633
AND BROUGHT FORWARD.
ULTIMATELY IT’S SIMPLE SIMPLEY
A MOTION TO EXPLORE THE

03:28:16.635,03:28:21.740
OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES
BEFORE US.
I’M A LITTLE PERPLEXED A YOUR

03:28:21.742,03:28:25.580
COMMENT THAT YOU’D BE WILLING
TO TAKE THE ALDERMAN OFF THE
BOARDS AND THEN LOOKING AT AN

03:28:25.582,03:28:31.016
IDEA OF HOW TO HAVE THEM DO A
REPORTING BUT NOT WILLING TO
LOOK AT DOING — LOOKING AT

03:28:31.018,03:28:38.080
THE OPTIONS FIRST AND THEN
TAKING THEM OFF.
WHAT WE — WHAT ULTIMATELY

03:28:38.082,03:28:43.795
COLLEAGUES WHAT MAY COME OUT
OF THIS, WE MAY END UP SAYING
WHAT WE GOT IS THE CORRECT

03:28:43.797,03:28:49.068
METHODOLOGY AS IT STANDS.
I’M JUST SAYING LET’S OPEN UP
THE DISCUSSION, LET’S OPEN UP

03:28:49.070,03:28:53.733
THE DIALOGUE BOX AND SEE WHAT
COMES OUT.
CLOSE.

03:28:53.735,03:28:57.530
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED

03:28:57.532,03:29:00.468
AGREED?
OPPOSED?
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

03:29:00.470,03:29:05.715
>> ALDERMAN CARRA.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT.

03:29:05.717,03:29:10.598
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
>> NO.

03:29:10.600,03:29:13.862
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL.

03:29:13.864,03:29:16.797
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> NO.

03:29:16.799,03:29:19.767
>> ALDERMAN JONES.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING.

03:29:19.769,03:29:22.971
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> YES.

03:29:22.973,03:29:27.343
>> ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN MAR.

03:29:27.345,03:29:29.315
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
>> NO.

03:29:29.317,03:29:32.658
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON.

03:29:32.660,03:29:35.190
>> YES.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.
>>

03:29:35.192,03:29:54.436
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: YES.
>> CARRIED YOUR WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

03:29:54.438,03:30:01.658
ALDERMAN McLEOD.
>> I’M JUST WONDERING IF THIS
IS A APPROPRIATE TO DO A

03:30:01.660,03:30:06.420
MOTION ARISING FOR THE
GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE TO LOOK
AT THE BROADER QUESTION OF

03:30:06.422,03:30:09.288
WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARIES.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.

03:30:09.290,03:30:13.090
>> I THINK THAT’S REALLY
IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT’S
IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THE

03:30:13.092,03:30:16.290
GOVERNANCE WORK WITHOUT THAT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SO
LET’S QUICKLY GET SOME WORDING

03:30:16.292,03:30:20.359
ON THE FLOOR HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY?
>> NOT REALLY.

03:30:20.361,03:30:25.891
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: GO FOR
IT.
>> OKAY, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO

03:30:25.893,03:30:37.933
ASK TO DIRECT THE GOVERNANCE –
COUNCIL GOVERNANCE TASKFORCE
TO CONSIDER THE — TO REVIEW

03:30:37.935,03:30:51.637
THE QUESTION OF — TO REVIEW
THE QUESTION OF — OF WHY
WE’RE CREATING WHOLLY OBSERVED

03:30:51.639,03:30:57.146
– OWNED SUBSIDIARIES, THE
PURPOSE OF CREATING WHOLLY
OWNED SUBSIDIARIES AND I’M

03:30:57.148,03:31:03.018
GETTING — STRUGGLING HERE, AS
A WAY — WE CREATE THEM AS A
WAY OF ADMINISTERING CERTAIN

03:31:03.020,03:31:06.755
ISOLATED –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
GOTCHA.

03:31:06.757,03:31:13.746
SO HOW ABOUT THAT COUNCIL
DIRECT THE COUNCIL GOVERNANCE
TASKFORCE TO REVIEW THE

03:31:13.748,03:31:18.816
OVERAWFUL STRUCTURE OF SERVICE
DELIVERY AND THE CREATION AND
OPERATION OF WHOLLY OWNED

03:31:18.818,03:31:24.124
SUBSIDIARIES.
>> CLOSE.
I’M REALLY MORE CONCERNED

03:31:24.126,03:31:30.266
ABOUT IT AS WHY WE CREATE THEM
AS A POLICY STATEMENT.
WHY WE CREATE THESE THINGS.

03:31:30.268,03:31:36.305
BECAUSE I THINK WE’VE GOT MORE
COMING FORWARD AND IT’S –
IT’S — IF WE CREATE THEM TO

03:31:36.307,03:31:40.408
AVOID THE ADMINISTRATION, TO
DO SOMETHING SEPARATE THAT’S
EASIER TO MANAGE.

03:31:40.410,03:31:44.284
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: GIVEN
THAT IT’S A BIT MORE COMPLEX
THAN I THOUGHT.

03:31:44.286,03:31:49.754
WHY DON’T I SUGGEST THIS, WHY
DON’T YOU AND I WORK ON THE
RIGHT WORDING AND BRING IT

03:31:49.756,03:31:55.222
FORWARD THROUGH THE NOTION OF
PROCESS TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL
MEETING SO WE HAVE IT RIGHT.

03:31:55.224,03:31:59.428
SOUND LIKE FUN?
I’M HAPPY TO HELP OWN THAT.
I’M SURE ALDERMAN LOWE IS TOO.

03:31:59.430,03:32:06.810
OKAY, GREAT.
THAT TAKES US THEN TO 7.3 IN
YOUR AGENDA.

03:32:06.812,03:32:13.247
CULTURAL — SORRY.
DID I MISS SOMETHING?
OH WE’RE ON A ROLL.

03:32:13.249,03:32:18.194
7.3 IN THE AGENDA.
CULTURAL CAPITAL 2012.
WHEN WE FINISH THE NEXT TWO,

03:32:18.196,03:32:22.725
WE’LL BE DONE WITH LAST WEEK’S
AGENDA.
MAYBE BY COFFEE WE MIGHT BE

03:32:22.727,03:32:30.423
DONE WITH LAST WEEK’S AGENDA.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
>> THANK YOU.

03:32:30.425,03:32:40.967
AND THANK YOU FOR — WELL, WE
GET TO THIS MOTION.
SO I DISTRIBUTED THIS MOTION

03:32:40.969,03:32:49.821
TO EVERYBODY AND LET ME GIVE
YOU A BIT OF THE GENESIS OF
WHY WE’RE HERE.

03:32:49.823,03:32:59.706
WE — COUNCIL LAST SUMMER
APPROVED A MOTION AND APPROVED
DIRECTING OUR CITY TO GO AFTER

03:32:59.708,03:33:04.538
THE CULTURAL CAPITAL FOR 2012
BID.
THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM AND

03:33:04.540,03:33:10.308
WITH IT COMES $2 MILLION
SHOULD WE GET THAT — SHOULD
WE GET THE AWARD OF BEING

03:33:10.310,03:33:15.849
CULTURAL CAPITAL FOR 1212.
– 2012.
BASED ON THAT DIRECTION, A

03:33:15.851,03:33:19.983
COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AND A
COMMITTEE WAS FORMED WITH
CALGARY ARTS DEVELOPMENT AN

03:33:19.985,03:33:27.424
THE STAMPEDE, CO-CHAIRING IT,
AND IT ALSO INVOLVED –
CALGARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,

03:33:27.426,03:33:31.394
TOURISM CALGARY, THE CITY OF
CALGARY RECREATION DEPARTMENT
AND THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

03:33:31.396,03:33:38.687
THE REASON WHY THIS PROPOSAL
WAS BROUGHT TO US BY KADA AND
THE LIBRARY AND THE STAMPEDE

03:33:38.689,03:33:45.064
IS BECAUSE 2012 IS GOING TO BE
A NOTED YEAR FOR US.
IT WILL BE 100 YEARS OF THE

03:33:45.066,03:33:48.730
STAMPEDE.
100 YEARS OF OUR LIBRARY.
100 YEARS OF OUR REC

03:33:48.732,03:33:54.629
DEPARTMENT.
THIS YEAR HAS BEEN A HUNDRED
YEARS OF OUR PARKS.

03:33:54.631,03:34:02.605
SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A
PERFECT FIT FOR US TO GO AFTER
THIS DESIGNATION FOR BEING THE

03:34:02.607,03:34:06.305
CULTURAL CAPITAL FOR CANADA
FOR 2012.
MADE TOTAL SENSE.

03:34:06.307,03:34:12.671
COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT.
BACK IN JUNE, COUNCIL SAID
$677.000, AWAY YOU GO.

03:34:12.673,03:34:18.352
WE SUPPORTED THAT BECAUSE THE
DEADLINE FOR THE NOMINATIONS
WAS OCTOBER.

03:34:18.354,03:34:24.864
AND WE WERE GOING TO KNOW IN
FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, 2011,
WHO THE — WHO THE WINNERS

03:34:24.866,03:34:28.732
WERE.
SO BASED ON THAT DIRECTION,
THE COMMITTEE WENT OUT AND

03:34:28.734,03:34:33.840
THEY DID A WHOLE BUNCH OF
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THEY TALKED TO ALL KINDS OF

03:34:33.842,03:34:38.442
COMMUNITIES, CULTURAL
ORGANIZATIONS, ARTS
ORGANIZATIONS, AND CAME UP

03:34:38.444,03:34:46.779
WITH A WHOLE SUBMISSION
PACKAGE AND THEY — IN THE
GUISE OF THEATER, THEY CAME UP

03:34:46.781,03:34:52.417
WITH A REALLY GREAT
SUBMISSION.
IT’S REALLY BIG.

03:34:52.419,03:35:05.869
SIZE MATTERS I READ SOMEWHERE.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG ALDERMAN
PINCOTT, RIGHT ALONG — SO

03:35:05.871,03:35:11.875
THEY — SO THEY WENT AND THEY
PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE PACKAGE
IN ENGAGING OUR COMMUNITIES,

03:35:11.877,03:35:17.175
OUR CULTURAL COMMUNITIES OF
WHAT WE COULD DO TO CELEBRATE
OUR CITY THROUGH THE YEAR OF

03:35:17.177,03:35:23.285
2012.
AND THEN AS SENIOR LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT ARE WANT TO DO, THE

03:35:23.287,03:35:27.458
TIMELINES CHANGED.
AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
SAID NO, RATHER THAN

03:35:27.460,03:35:34.297
SUBMISSIONS IN OCTOBER, WE’LL
TELL YOU BY FEBRUARY WHICH
GIVES YOU TEN MONTHS TO

03:35:34.299,03:35:38.631
PREPARE, THEY CHANGED IT AND
THEY SAID NO, THE — ACTUALLY
SUBMISSIONS ARE DUE IN

03:35:38.633,03:35:42.000
FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AND WE
AREN’T GOING TO TELL YOU UNTIL
OCTOBER.

03:35:42.002,03:35:49.644
AND OCTOBER IS JUST NOT LONG
ENOUGH FOR US TO DO THE
PLANNING FOR THE CULTURAL

03:35:49.646,03:35:53.377
CELEBRATION.
AND I DISTRIBUTED TO MEMBERS
OF COUNCIL THIS MORNING A

03:35:53.379,03:35:58.489
BROCHURE THAT’S BEEN PREPARED
THAT LOOKS AT SOME OF THE
PROGRAMS AND THE STUFF THAT

03:35:58.491,03:36:04.836
THESE SIX ORGANIZATIONS
PLANNED TO DO TO CELEBRATE
CALGARY IN 2012.

03:36:04.838,03:36:10.615
AND THIS REQUIRES MORE THAN A
COUPLE OF MONTHS OF PLANNING.
SO MY MOTION IS ESSENTIALLY

03:36:10.617,03:36:15.881
ARISING OUT OF THE FACT THAT
WE’VE BEEN DELAYED.
AND THAT WE HAVE COMMUNITY

03:36:15.883,03:36:19.482
EXCITEMENT, COMMUNITY BUY IN
ON WHAT WE’VE SAID WE WANT TO
DO.

03:36:19.484,03:36:24.891
AND NOW WITH NOT KNOWING UNTIL
OCTOBER WHETHER WE’RE GOING TO
GET THE NOTIFICATION, IT’S TOO

03:36:24.893,03:36:28.888
LATE TO DO THE PLANNING.
TO START THE PLANNING IN
OCTOBER.

03:36:28.890,03:36:34.930
SO WE NEED TO GET GOING ON IT.
SO MY MOTION THEN IS TO — FOR
US TO BASICALLY SAY WE’RE

03:36:34.932,03:36:40.337
DOING THIS.
WE HAVE A LOT TO CELEBRATE.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING

03:36:40.339,03:36:44.372
THIS.
SO MY MOTION IS IN THREE
PARTS.

03:36:44.374,03:36:50.475
IT’S TO GIVE $333.000 TO THE
CALGARY 2012 COMMITTEE RIGHT
NOW TO GET GOING WITH THE

03:36:50.477,03:36:55.909
PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE.
IT’S TO MAKE THE 677 — 67,

03:36:55.911,03:37:01.575
THE COUNCIL’S ALREADY SAID AND
TO MAKE IT NON-CONTINGENT.
THEY ACTUALLY CAN KNOW SOME

03:37:01.577,03:37:05.682
BASE LEVEL OF WHAT THEY’RE
DOING.
AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS TO

03:37:05.684,03:37:11.220
SAY THAT WE GIVE ANOTHER
MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE
PROGRAM.

03:37:11.222,03:37:14.890
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT
OF THIS?
WELL, WE’RE GOING TO GET A LOT

03:37:14.892,03:37:18.826
OF THINGS OUT OF IT.
THIS IS TAKING MONEY THAT
WE’LL PUT INTO IT AND

03:37:18.828,03:37:24.091
LEVERAGING IT WITH $2 MILLION
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
AND AN ANTICIPATED $1.1

03:37:24.093,03:37:30.258
MILLION FROM CORPORATE CALGARY
FOR AN ANTICIPATED BUDGET AT
THIS POINT OF $5.1 MILLION FOR

03:37:30.260,03:37:34.268
A YEAR’S WORTH OF CELEBRATION.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO
CALGARY.

03:37:34.270,03:37:40.070
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US AS A
CITY FOR OURSELVES, BUT IT’S
ALSO MPORTANT FOR THE REST OF

03:37:40.072,03:37:46.852
THE COUNTRY.
I WAS AT A PRESENTATION LAST
WEEK, THE CALGARY ECONOMIC

03:37:46.854,03:37:50.025
DEVELOPMENT IS LAUNCHING A
WHOLE NATIONAL MARKETING
CAMPAIGN.

03:37:50.027,03:37:56.970
ABOUT HOW TO — HOW TO GET
BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE HERE
THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

03:37:56.972,03:38:03.509
FOR MARKETING OUR CITY ACROSS
THE COUNTRY AND INTERNATIONALLY
AND IN THIS PRESENTATION, TO

03:38:03.511,03:38:09.382
CORPORATE CALGARY, THEY SAID,
LOOK, THERE’S A FEW THINGS
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO

03:38:09.384,03:38:13.783
ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS NATIONAL
MARKETING CAMPAIGN.
BUDGET OF OVER A MILLION

03:38:13.785,03:38:19.991
DOLLARS, ON MARKETING CALGARY.
AND THE THINGS THAT THEY’RE
TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ARE, ONE,

03:38:19.993,03:38:27.228
GET PEOPLE HERE, QUALIFIED
HUMAN CAPITAL TO OUR CITY,
TWO, TARGET INDUSTRIES SO THAT

03:38:27.230,03:38:29.596
WE ACTUALLY GROW OUR CITY
ECONOMICALLY AND SUSTAINABLY
AND THE THIRD THING THAT

03:38:29.598,03:38:36.765
THEY’RE TARGETTING INTO THIS
IS POSITIONING CALGARY AS AN
INTERNATIONAL AND COSMOPOLITAN

03:38:36.767,03:38:40.168
DESTINATION.
BY THAT, THEY SPECIFICALLY
MEAN ARTS AND CULTURE.

03:38:40.170,03:38:45.395
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO
BE MARKETING TO CANADA AND
ACROSS TO THE REST OF THE

03:38:45.397,03:38:50.900
COUNTRY AND ACROSS THE WORLD.
CALGARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
AND OUR BUSINESS SECTORS SEE

03:38:50.902,03:38:56.316
THIS AS A SOLID BUSINESS
INVESTMENT.
WE HAVE A LOT TO CELEBRATE

03:38:56.318,03:39:04.293
HERE IN OUR CITY.
AND CALGARY 2012 HAS COME
TOGETHER WITH A GROUP OF

03:39:04.295,03:39:10.671
ORGANIZATIONS AND A GROUP OF
PEOPLE WHO SAID WE’RE READY TO
CELEBRATE AND COUNCIL, WE’VE

03:39:10.673,03:39:16.007
ALREADY GIVEN SOME CONDITIONAL
SUPPORT TO THIS.
MY MOTION IS TO REMOVE THE

03:39:16.009,03:39:22.903
CONDITIONS AND TO BE FULLY
SUPPORTIVE OF THIS SO THAT
2012 WILL BE AN A AMAZINGER I

03:39:22.905,03:39:26.246
DO IN CELEBRATION.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT A

03:39:26.248,03:39:29.989
SECOND?
ALDERMAN MAR, THANK YOU.
DID YOU?

03:39:29.991,03:39:34.800
I THOUGHT YOU WERE KIDDING.
AND CHABOT SECONDED IT.
VERY WELL.

03:39:34.802,03:39:38.896
ALDERMAN FARRELL.
>> THANK YOU, WELL, I’M HAPPY
TO SUPPORT THIS, I’M WONDERING

03:39:38.898,03:39:46.396
IF THERE SHOULD BE ONE MORE
STEP FOR THE — FOR ITEM
NUMBER 3 WHICH IS — I’M GOING

03:39:46.398,03:39:52.633
TO ATTEMPT AN AMENDMENT WHICH
IS AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION BE
COMMITTED TO 2012 CELEBRATIONS,

03:39:52.635,03:39:59.399
COME MARKS SUBJECT TO
PRESENTATION OF FINAL PROGRAM
AND BUDGET TO SPC ON CPS NO

03:39:59.401,03:40:03.402
LATER THAN DECEMBER 2011.
AND IT JUST GIVES US AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE

03:40:03.404,03:40:06.637
DETAILS.
I’VE GOT –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: OKAY I

03:40:06.639,03:40:11.137
HAVE A SECONDER IN ALDERMAN
MAR ON THAT ONE.
THE AMENDMENT I THINK IS

03:40:11.139,03:40:16.043
CORRECTLY PUT.
SO ON THE AMENDMENT, ANYONE?
JUST WAVE YOUR HAND.

03:40:16.045,03:40:20.443
SORRY?
YOU SURE CAN.
READ IT BACK, MADAM CLERK WHEN

03:40:20.445,03:40:23.575
YOU GET IT OR ALDERMAN FARRELL
YOU HAVE A COPY.
READ IT BACK.

03:40:23.577,03:40:28.154
>> OKAY, IT’S JUST TO INSERT
SUBJECT OF PRESENTATION OF
FINAL PROGRAM AND BUDGET.

03:40:28.156,03:40:34.432
TO SPC ON CPS NO LATER THAN
DECEMBER, 2011.
>> OKAY.

03:40:34.434,03:40:38.072
ANYONE ON THIS ONE?
ON THE AMENDMENT THEN ARE WE
AGREED?

03:40:38.074,03:40:41.132
>> AGREED.
>> ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

03:40:41.134,03:40:45.470
ALDERMAN FARRELL YOU STILL
HAVE THE FLOOR IF YOU WANT IT.
>> I’M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT

03:40:45.472,03:40:49.412
THIS MOTION AS APPEALED.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN POOT
MANLS.

03:40:49.414,03:40:52.220
>> YES, THANK YOU YOUR
WORSHIP.
TO PICK UP AFTER SOME OF THE

03:40:52.222,03:40:57.696
COMMENTS OF ALDERMAN PINCOTT
AND AS I MAY MAY SAY WELL PUT.
THANK YOU.

03:40:57.698,03:41:03.026
VERY MUCH AN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE I
THINK INHERENTLY ON ITS OWN

03:41:03.028,03:41:08.431
MERITS THIS PROJECT SHOULD GO
FORWARD BUT TO ADD AN LEMT
ELEMENT AS I’VE SPOKEN BEFORE

03:41:08.433,03:41:12.573
ABOUT THE VIRTUES OF PROMOTING
THE CITY, I THINK THAT
EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM

03:41:12.575,03:41:17.608
APPRECIATES THAT OUR CULTURAL
SECTOR IS PERHAPS A BEST KEPT
SECRET.

03:41:17.610,03:41:22.148
IT’S A NATIONAL TREASURE.
OUR BRAND, CALGARY, THE
PERCEPTIONS OF IT ARE NOT

03:41:22.150,03:41:27.016
STRONG IN THIS AREA.
WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO ATTRACT
BUSINESS INVESTMENT, WHEN WE

03:41:27.018,03:41:34.121
ARE SEEKING WORK FORCE TALENT,
ON MANY OCCASIONS WALKING
ALONG ANY STREET IN DOWNTOWN

03:41:34.123,03:41:38.024
CALGARY, I’M ASKED WHERE IS
YOUR ART GALLERY WHEN WE WERE
PROMOTING THE CITY?

03:41:38.026,03:41:42.859
ARE THE HIGHLY EDUCATED,
HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS
THAT WE NEED TO RUN OUR

03:41:42.861,03:41:47.503
OPERATION AND ATTRACT FROM
AROUND THE WORLD INTO AN
ENERGY SECTOR, A FINANCIAL

03:41:47.505,03:41:52.869
SERVICES SECTOR, AN I.T.
SECTOR, A TRANSPORTATION
LOGISTICS SECTOR TO, ATTRACT

03:41:52.871,03:41:59.080
THE KIND OF WORK FORCE TALENT
THAT WE NEED, THESE PEOPLE
COMING FROM EVERY CONTINENT,

03:41:59.082,03:42:04.624
PERHAPS, THEY’RE THINKING OF
CALGARY NOT ALWAYS AS WHAT WE
WANT IT TO BE.

03:42:04.626,03:42:10.632
5 WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR BRAND.
WE HAVE TO PROMOTE OURSELVES
IN A FAR MORE EFFECTIVE MANNER

03:42:10.634,03:42:15.275
AND IN A FAR MORE — I’M NOT
SURE THE WORD, SUCCESSFUL
MANNER.

03:42:15.277,03:42:22.908
AND THE — THE NOTICE OF
MOTION FOR CULTURAL CAPITAL OF
2012 IS AN IMPORTANT STEP

03:42:22.910,03:42:27.982
FORWARD ON THAT PROCESS.
I WOULD LOOK AT THIS AS A
BEGINNING OF THAT VOYAGE.

03:42:27.984,03:42:32.915
SUPPORTING CALGARY ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT’S ACTIVITIES,
TOURISM, STAMPEDE, MANY CITY

03:42:32.917,03:42:37.288
AGENCIES INVOLVED IN THESE
ACTIVITIES AND ANTIBIOTICKING
YET AGAIN ANOTHER FOUNDATIONAL

03:42:37.290,03:42:42.664
PIECE IN OUR BRAND AND OUR
PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITY CALLED
CULTURAL CAPITAL 2012 I THINK

03:42:42.666,03:42:45.266
WILL PAY ENORMOUS DIVIDENDS
FOR OUR FUTURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:42:45.268,03:42:53.441
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.

03:42:53.443,03:42:57.611
>> YOUR WORSHIP, WHAT I’M
WONDERING ABOUT NUMBER 3 IS
THAT CERTAINLY ALDERMAN CHABOT

03:42:57.613,03:43:03.612
AND I ON THE STAMPEDE BOARD
AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH
ALDERMAN FARRELL AND PINCOTT

03:43:03.614,03:43:09.536
ON THIS WHOLE FUNDING ISSUE
AND THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE
TIMELINE, THE PROVINCE IS VERY

03:43:09.538,03:43:14.309
INTERESTED AS WELL, RIGHT?
THERE’S NO REFERENCE IN THIS
MOTION TO THE PROVINCE.

03:43:14.311,03:43:20.420
AND I WAS THINKING OF AMENDING
NUMBER 3 TO — BEFORE ALDERMAN
FARRELL’S AMENDMENT AN

03:43:20.422,03:43:26.026
ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION BE
COMMITTED TO 2012 CELEBRATIONS
CONTINGENT UPON MATCHING

03:43:26.028,03:43:30.232
PROVINCIALAL FUNDING.
AND I KNOW THAT’S NOT THE
INTENTION OF WHAT ALDERMAN

03:43:30.234,03:43:34.637
PINCOTT WAS WANTING TO DO
HERE.
BUT THE WAY THIS IS LEFT IS

03:43:34.639,03:43:38.733
THAT WE’RE NOT ASKING THEM TO
STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND I
KNOW THAT THE MINISTER HAS

03:43:38.735,03:43:47.109
EXPRESSED AN INTEREST AT LEAST
TO DO THEIR PART.
SO WHAT WITH YOUR ADVICE BE?

03:43:47.111,03:43:51.873
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AGAIN
CONTINGENT ON SECURING FUNDING
0 OR CONTINGENT ON ASKING FOR

03:43:51.875,03:43:55.514
FUNDING?
I’M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO

03:43:55.516,03:44:00.124
MAKE — I THINK WHAT ALDERMAN
PINCOTT IS ATTEMPTING TO DO
WITH THIS MOTION IS ACTUALLY

03:44:00.126,03:44:05.129
SAY THAT COUNCIL, WHENEVER
THEY PASS THIS A YEAR OR TWO
AGO, MADE THE FUNDING

03:44:05.131,03:44:08.633
CONTINGENT ON THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT PLAYING AN HE’S NOW
SAYING WE WANT TO DO IT

03:44:08.635,03:44:11.969
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLAYS AND I
THINK THAT YOU’RE SAYING WE

03:44:11.971,03:44:14.707
WANT TO GET THE PROVINCE
INVOLVED.
AM I FOLLOWING CORRECTLY?

03:44:14.709,03:44:18.475
>> YES.
SO MAYBE IT’S A NUMBER 4 THEN.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NUMBER

03:44:18.477,03:44:25.087
4 THAT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD
FORMALLY REQUEST –
>> THAT HIS WORSHIP FORMALLY

03:44:25.089,03:44:29.165
REQUEST THE PROVINCE TO MATCH
THE CITY’S COMMITMENT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: SURE.

03:44:29.167,03:44:32.530
THAT’S FINE.
>> THEN IT’S NOT CONTINGENT
UPON, OKAY?

03:44:32.532,03:44:37.360
SO HOPEFULLY COUNCIL YOU’LL
SUPPORT THIS.
I DO THINK THEY HAVE AN

03:44:37.362,03:44:44.504
OBLIGATION TO CONTRIBUTE AND
TO REALLY MAKE THIS A
SPECTACULAR YEAR FOR THE CITY

03:44:44.506,03:44:50.282
OF CALGARY.
SO IF THERE’S A SECONDER –
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

03:44:50.284,03:44:57.160
ALDERMAN MAR SECONDED IT.
IT’S NOT REALLY FOUR.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT

03:44:57.162,03:45:03.764
COUNCIL DIRECT THE MAYOR TO
FORMALLY DIRECT FROM THE
PROVINCE — YOU CAN DIRECT ME

03:45:03.766,03:45:05.700
IF YOU WANT.
YOU CAN’T?
OKAY.

03:45:05.702,03:45:14.667
WE WON’T GET INTO THAT ONE.
REQUEST THE MAYOR TO FORMALLY –
FORMALLY — NOW WE HAVE TO USE

03:45:14.669,03:45:22.119
REQUEST TWICE YOU SEE.
FORMALLY ASK THE PROVINCE TO
MATCH CITY FUNDING FOR THE

03:45:22.121,03:45:25.289
2012 PROJECTS.
ALDERMAN MAR SECONDS THAT.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE

03:45:25.291,03:45:31.295
AMENDMENT?
ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> VALUE-ADDED BY ALSO THE

03:45:31.297,03:45:33.435
SAME SENTENCE.
REFERRING TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT?

03:45:33.437,03:45:37.796
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I
THINK WE’VE ASKED IT OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

03:45:37.798,03:45:42.639
>> THEY’RE IN SUCH DISARRAY,
MAYBE ASK AGAIN.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: DO WE

03:45:42.641,03:45:48.446
NEED TO ASK AGAIN?
THANK YOU, JUST ON THAT –
>> THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO

03:45:48.448,03:45:51.720
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I SEE.
>> WE HAVE MADE THE

03:45:51.722,03:45:57.987
APPLICATION.
IF THEY — IF WE ARE
SUCCESSFUL, THE FEDERAL

03:45:57.989,03:45:59.756
GOVERNMENT WILL BE GIVING US
$2 MILLION.
>> THANK YOU.

03:45:59.758,03:46:04.532
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THE
INTENT OF THIS MOTION IS TO
DIVORCE THE FEDERAL

03:46:04.534,03:46:07.628
GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE FROM
WHETHER WE GET THE MONEY OR
NOT.

03:46:07.630,03:46:10.329
OKAY.
SO WE’VE GOT AN AMENDMENT ON
THE FLOOR.

03:46:10.331,03:46:15.582
ANYONE ELSE ON THE AMENDMENT?
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> BRIEFLY, I DO KNOW THAT

03:46:15.584,03:46:20.152
CALGARY 2012 HAS BEEN HAVING
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MINISTER.
HE IS VERY SUPPORTIVE.

03:46:20.154,03:46:26.625
HE’S BEEN NON-COMMITTAL AS TO
THE FUNDING.
SO AS TO FUNDS.

03:46:26.627,03:46:30.893
BUT HE’S VERY SUPPORTIVE.
SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.
I THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA.

03:46:30.895,03:46:34.097
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.
ANYONE ELSE ON THE AMENDMENT?

03:46:34.099,03:46:36.865
ALL RIGHT.
THEN ON THE AMENDMENT ARE WE
AGREED?

03:46:36.867,03:46:39.866
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.
BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION,

03:46:39.868,03:46:44.970
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I’M NOT SURE IF IT WAS CLEAR

03:46:44.972,03:46:54.180
OR NOT, BUT PART OF THE — OUR
APPLICATION TO THE CULTURAL
CAPITAL APPLICATION TO THE

03:46:54.182,03:46:59.592
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS
SOMEWHAT CONTINGENT ON US
COMMITTING SOME FUNDING

03:46:59.594,03:47:05.993
TOWARDS IT.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY, WE HAD TO ALLOCATE

03:47:05.995,03:47:10.231
SOME FUNDING SPECIFICALLY
TOWARDS THIS APPLICATION
ALTHOUGH I DON’T BELIEVE THERE

03:47:10.233,03:47:17.408
WAS A MUCH BETTER TIMELINE
ASSOCIATEED WITH WHEN WE
EXPECTED TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE

03:47:17.410,03:47:19.610
BACK FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT INITIALLY.
IT DOES PROVIDE SOME

03:47:19.612,03:47:24.479
CHALLENGES IN REGARDS TO BEING
ABLE TO COORDINATE EFFORTS
WITHOUT KNOWING FOR CERTAIN

03:47:24.481,03:47:29.257
WHETHER OR NOT THE MONEY THAT
YOU’RE APPLYING FOR WILL BE
FORTHCOMING OR NOT.

03:47:29.259,03:47:34.248
SO THIS PROVIDES A GREATER
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
ORGANIZATIONS TO BETTER PLAN

03:47:34.250,03:47:40.288
THEIR EFFORTS FOR 2012.
BETTER COORDINATE THEIR
EFFORTS IN 2012 AND IF THE

03:47:40.290,03:47:44.994
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT — FEDERAL
MONEY COMES FORWARD, IT
CERTAINLY PROVIDES INCREASED

03:47:44.996,03:47:50.969
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A
GREATER EXPERIENCE TO THOSE
PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THE CITY

03:47:50.971,03:47:54.871
ON ALL THE FRONTS.
SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS AND AS
AMENDED AND I THINK THE

03:47:54.873,03:47:57.113
PROVINCE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE AS
WELL.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

03:47:57.115,03:48:01.527
THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
BEFORE I CALL ON ALDERMAN
PINCOTT TO CLOSE, I’LL ASK

03:48:01.529,03:48:18.283
ALDERMAN McLEOD TO TRADE
PLACES WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
>> MAYOR NENSHI.

03:48:18.285,03:48:22.976
>> THIS WASN’T BECAUSE I
WANTED TO SEND MORE TWEETS TO
ALDERMAN McLEOD’S ACCOUNT.

03:48:22.978,03:48:30.814
I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS,
THANK YOU.
THIS ONE IS REALLY CHALLENGING

03:48:30.816,03:48:36.251
FOR ME BECAUSE YOU’D BE HARD
PRESSED TO FIND ANYONE IN THE
COMMUNITY WHO AGREES MORE WITH

03:48:36.253,03:48:41.227
ALDERMAN POOT MAN’S SENTIMENT
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
INVESTING IN CULTURAL

03:48:41.229,03:48:45.931
INDUSTRIES AN INVESTINGING IN
THIS KIND OF WORK FOR THE
FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

03:48:45.933,03:48:47.969
OUR CITY.
HOWEVER, I HAVE TO SAY I DO
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE

03:48:47.971,03:48:52.608
PROCESS HIBD BEHIND WHICH –
UNDER WHICH THIS IS COME
FORWARD.

03:48:52.610,03:48:56.602
I FIND IT VERY TROUBLING
THROUGH THE MOTION NOTICE OF
MOTION PROCESS WE’RE ASKED TO

03:48:56.604,03:49:03.672
MAKE A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL
COMMITMENT IN THE ABSENCE OF
BUDGETS, INDICATORS OF

03:49:03.674,03:49:06.845
SUCCESS, MEASUREMENTS AND
GOVERNANCE IN REPORTING
STRUCTURE.

03:49:06.847,03:49:12.157
SO I FIND THIS VERY, VERY VERY
CHALLENGING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALDERMAN

03:49:12.159,03:49:16.390
FARRELL’S AMENDMENT BECAUSE I
THINK THAT HELPS US ON NUMBER
3.

03:49:16.392,03:49:25.865
I’M CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBER 2.
MAKING THAT 667.000 COMPLETELY
NON-CONTINGENT.

03:49:25.867,03:49:30.098
THAT SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE
MONEY’S ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE
BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL SO I CAN

03:49:30.100,03:49:33.762
LIVE WITH THAT.
BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOUR
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT WE’VE

03:49:33.764,03:49:41.168
ASKED OUR ADMINISTRATION
ADMINISTRATION TO ABIDE BY
MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS

03:49:41.170,03:49:43.267
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
INFORMATION THEY PROVIDE US
AND IN FACT THEY’RE GOING

03:49:43.269,03:49:45.937
THROUGH A BIG PROCESS RIGHT
NOW TO MAKE SURE WE ALWAYS
HAVE THE INFORMATION NEEDED IN

03:49:45.939,03:49:52.508
ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS AND I
THINK THAT WE AS COUNCIL, IT’S
INCUMBENT TO HOLD OURSELVES UP

03:49:52.510,03:49:56.716
TO THE SAME LEVEL OF STANDARD
OF BEHAVIOR IN THROUGH THE
NOTICE OF MOTION PROCESS.

03:49:56.718,03:50:01.357
I’M A BIG FAN OF THE NOTICE OF
MOTION PROCESS BECAUSE IT
ALLOWS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO

03:50:01.359,03:50:05.726
BRING THEIR ISSUES DIRECTLY TO
THE FLOOR OF COUNCIL BUT I
THINK WE HAVE TO HOLD

03:50:05.728,03:50:09.632
OURSELVES UP TO THE SAME
STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR.
WHEN WE’RE ASKING FOR

03:50:09.634,03:50:14.101
SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL
INVESTMENTS AS WE ARE IN THIS
NOTICE OF MOTION WE OWE TO TO

03:50:14.103,03:50:18.668
OUR COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE
THE BACK UP DATA IS PROPERLY
PROVIDED.

03:50:18.670,03:50:24.012
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR NENSHI.
I SEE NO OTHER LIGHTS.
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?

03:50:24.014,03:50:28.159
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL, THANK YOU.
I MEAN IT’S BEEN REALLY GREAT

03:50:28.161,03:50:34.198
TO HEAR THE SUPPORT THAT I’VE
BEEN HEARING AROUND THE TABLE
FOR OUR CITY AND OUR CULTURAL

03:50:34.200,03:50:39.402
SECTOR.
YOU KNOW, IT’S REALLY
INTERESTING, I CAME FROM THE

03:50:39.404,03:50:46.541
CULTURAL SECTOR IN OUR CITY
AND I MOVED HERE — I REMEMBER
FIRST COMING HERE IN 1992 TO

03:50:46.543,03:50:53.982
DO SOME WORK IN THEATER AND
I’VE BEEN WORKING IN THEATER
FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AND I

03:50:53.984,03:51:02.431
HAD NO IDEA AT HOW VIBRANT AND
HOW VIGOROUS THE ARTS AND
CULTURE SECTOR AND INDUSTRY IS

03:51:02.433,03:51:09.174
IN CALGARY.
AND SADLY, IT’S NOT JUST A
SECRET THAT WE KEEP FROM THE

03:51:09.176,03:51:13.141
REST OF THE COUNTRY.
IT’S VERY OFTEN A SECRET THAT
WE KEEP FROM OURSELVES.

03:51:13.143,03:51:17.782
AND THAT IS — THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE
NEED TO CHANGE.

03:51:17.784,03:51:23.822
WE HAVE A LOT TO CELEBRATE IN
OUR CITY.
THERE ARE THESE ORGANIZATION

03:51:23.824,03:51:30.552
WHO IS ARE MORE THAN PREPARED.
THEY HAVE VESSELED A VERY
COMPLETE PROGRAM ON WHAT WE

03:51:30.554,03:51:39.954
CAN DO TO CELEBRATE OUR CITY
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GIVING
THEM THE TOOLS TO ALLOW — TO

03:51:39.956,03:51:45.299
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANING
FOR THE CELEBRATION THAT WE’RE
GOING TO HAVE.

03:51:45.301,03:51:51.576
I LOOK FORWARD TO — IN
DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR HAVING A
WONDERFUL PRESENTATION WITH A

03:51:51.578,03:51:56.977
WONDERFUL LAUNCH AND JUMP OFF
THAT WILL GET CALGARIANS
EXCITED ABOUT OUR

03:51:56.979,03:52:01.882
PARTICIPATING IN OUR CITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.

03:52:01.884,03:52:21.127
NOW CLOSE ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR?
OPPOSED?
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:52:21.129,03:52:27.423
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL
RIGHT THAT TAKES US NOW TO
ITEM 7.4 IN YOUR AGENDA.

03:52:27.425,03:52:31.561
TABLED REPORT REGARDING
GRANDING AGREEMENT WITH THE
SHEPHERD COMMUNITY

03:52:31.563,03:52:36.132
ASSOCIATION.
ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

03:52:36.134,03:52:43.646
I HESITATE TO BEGIN WITH A
SMALL STORY, BUT ALDERMAN
STEVENSON SAID YES, I SHOULD.

03:52:43.648,03:52:48.945
AND IT TALKS ABOUT PLANS THAT
MAYBE DON’T GO EXACTLY AS
THOUGHT.

03:52:48.947,03:52:54.745
WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO MY
HOUSE, SOMEONE WAS TELLING ME
THAT SUDS WERE VERY GOOD FOR

03:52:54.747,03:53:00.847
MY LAWN OF THE LIGHT LAGGER
NOTE.
BEER IN OTHER WORDS.

03:53:00.849,03:53:06.859
SO ANYWAY, THEY GAVE ME A
CALCULATION PER SQUARE FOOT OF
WHAT TO PUT ON THE LAWN SO I

03:53:06.861,03:53:13.105
WENT THROUGH THIS AND
CALCULATED IT VERY CAREFULLY
AND FIGURED OUT I NEEDED A KEG

03:53:13.107,03:53:19.211
AND A HALF AND I’M THINKING IF
THIS WORKS EXTREMELY WELL, IF
I’M — TRIPLE IT, THEN I WOULD

03:53:19.213,03:53:26.591
BE GOING DOWN A MUCH BERTHOD.
I DID THAT, FOUR AND A HALF
KEGS ON MY LAWN.

03:53:26.593,03:53:30.693
WENT TO SLEEP THAT NIGHT WITH
A SMILE ON MY FACE THINKING
THIS IS FANTASTIC.

03:53:30.695,03:53:35.165
I GOT UP IN THE MORNING AND
LOOKED AND I WAS VERY, VERY
DISAPPOINTED AT MY PLAN

03:53:35.167,03:53:39.743
BECAUSE THE GRASS WAS MUCH
LONGER THAN IT WAS THE DAY
BEFORE, AND I ASSUMED WITH

03:53:39.745,03:53:47.513
THAT MUCH SUDS THAT IT WOULD
BE HALF CUT.
YEAH.

03:53:47.515,03:53:54.096
EXACTLY.
>> THAT TOOK A LONG TIME.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

03:53:54.098,03:54:03.571
BUT JIM SAID TO — WE’LL GO
FROM THERE.
NOT ALL PLANS GO — OBVIOUSLY

03:54:03.573,03:54:09.774
SHEPHERD COMMUNITY’S PLANS ARE
NOT AS HALF BAKED AS MY LAWN
STORY WAS.

03:54:09.776,03:54:17.585
BUT IT — MY LONG LAWN STORY.
BUT COMING BACK TO IT, I GUESS
THE ISSUE IS WHERE DO WE GO

03:54:17.587,03:54:22.463
FROM HERE?
IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT’S
BEEN AROUND FOR FOUR YEARS

03:54:22.465,03:54:27.604
WITH THE CITY OF CALGARY AND
SCA AN IT’S SOMETHING THAT HAS
BEEN THERE AND IT JUST NEEDS

03:54:27.606,03:54:32.748
TO BE SOLVED.
DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST LITTLE
WHILE HAVE BROUGHT IT BACK TO

03:54:32.750,03:54:37.418
THE SURFACE.
AND SO MY MOTION HERE TODAY
SAYS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

03:54:37.420,03:54:43.454
WE NEED TO GO FORWARD.
I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES AS WE
CAN GO THROUGH THEM.

03:54:43.456,03:54:46.836
SOME DRAWINGS AND SOME
PICTURES OF THE EXISTING
FACILITY AND WHAT IT WOULD

03:54:46.838,03:54:56.002
LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS COMPLETED.
AND THAT’S THE ISSUE.
IT’S NEEDING TO BE COMPLETED.

03:54:56.004,03:55:02.944
I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THE
DIFFICULTIES AS NO FAULT ON
EITHER SIDE.

03:55:02.946,03:55:07.747
SIMPLY RED TAPE AND BEING
ANNEXED HALFWAY THROUGH A
PROJECT THAT HAD DIFFERENT

03:55:07.749,03:55:12.078
EXPECTATIONS AND DIFFERENT
PROCEDURES AND DIFFERENT
POLICIES THAT HAVE — WERE NOT

03:55:12.080,03:55:19.690
ABLE TO BE I GUESS SET ASIDE
AND MOVED FORWARD AND A BIT OF
RURAL STUBBORNNESS OF SAYING

03:55:19.692,03:55:24.992
THIS IS WHAT WE HAD PLAN ANDED
THIS WHERE WE’D LIKE TO G I
THINK THAT’S WHERE WE’RE AT.

03:55:24.994,03:55:27.995
THERE’S BEEN HISTORY ON BOTH
SIDES BUT IT’S NOT THE HISTORY
WE WANT TO GO DOWN.

03:55:27.997,03:55:35.401
WE WANT TO PUSH THE HISTORY
ASIDE AND LOOK AT THE GOAL OF
JUST CHANGING SOMETHING

03:55:35.403,03:55:40.171
INTO — FROM A LIABILITY I
GUESS TO AN ASSET AND THEN WE
NEED TO GO FROM THERE BECAUSE

03:55:40.173,03:55:45.942
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
END WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT’S
BEEN UNCOMPLETEDDED AND

03:55:45.944,03:55:49.710
UNCOMPLETED FOR THREE YEARS.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT, IT’S
ALSO — THE POSSIBILITY OF

03:55:49.712,03:55:55.418
MOVING FORWARD ON 40 ACRES OF
RECREATION LAND THAT IS
SITTING IDLE AND WE’VE GONE

03:55:55.420,03:55:58.350
THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
LOOKS AND A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT PLANS OVER THE

03:55:58.352,03:56:04.854
NUMBER OF YEARS AND IT SHOULD
BE NOTE THAT HAD THIS PLAN HAS
BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR 20 YEARS

03:56:04.856,03:56:11.194
PLUS.
SCA WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER
AND ROCKY VIEW AT LEAST 20

03:56:11.196,03:56:16.422
YEARS AGO ABOUT WHAT TO DO
WITH THE MR LAND THAT IS
THERE.

03:56:16.424,03:56:20.796
THEY WANTED A BUFFER ZONE
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE
INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT WAS

03:56:20.798,03:56:25.369
THERE.
THEY DEVELOPED IT.
WE’VE PUT IN ONE SPOT.

03:56:25.371,03:56:31.979
YOU COULD HAVE THAT BUFFER.
IT WAS THEN LEASED TO SCA IN
EARLY 2005.

03:56:31.981,03:56:38.550
THEY BEGAN CONSTRUCTION IN
2006 AND WERE AT IT IN 2007
AND DUE TO THE FACT OF THE

03:56:38.552,03:56:45.091
CHANGES IN POLICIES AND
PROCEDURES AND A PLAN THAT WAS
WORKED OUT WITH THE PREVIOUS

03:56:45.093,03:56:52.201
MUNICIPALITY, THAT DID NOT FIT
THE PRESENT MUNICIPALITY.
AGAIN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS

03:56:52.203,03:56:57.447
MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE AN
UNFINISHED BUILDING,
TECHNICALLY A LIABILITY AND

03:56:57.449,03:57:03.922
SITTING THERE FOR THREE YEARS
LIKE THIS AND CHANGE IT INTO
AN ASSET FOR WHOEVER HOLDS THE

03:57:03.924,03:57:11.530
LEASE IN THE FUTURE.
THERE IS ONLY I GUESS — A GUY
CAN DO DOWN THE LINE AND SAY

03:57:11.532,03:57:15.628
THERE’S TWO OPTIONS, MOVE
FORWARD AND CHANGE IT OR TEAR
IT DOWN AND BIN ANEW.

03:57:15.630,03:57:18.698
I THINK THE LATTER OF THOSE
TWO IS NOT THE DIRECTION TO
GO.

03:57:18.700,03:57:23.127
SO WE HAVE TO COME TO AN
AGREEMENT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE
LINES AND SEE WHAT WE’RE

03:57:23.129,03:57:30.200
DOING.
THE BUILDING HAS NOT SAT IDLE.
SCA IN PROBABLY THE LAST

03:57:30.202,03:57:35.142
THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS
PUT IN EXCESS OF 5,000 HOURS
OF VOLUNTEERS WORKING ON THE

03:57:35.144,03:57:39.882
SITE AND IF WE GET INTO SOME
OF THE FURTHER PICTURES, YOU
WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN

03:57:39.884,03:57:44.793
DOING EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY
CAN ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS TO
COMPLETE THE INTERIOR OF THE

03:57:44.795,03:57:49.793
BUILDING.
THEY’VE BEEN DRYWALLING,
PUTTING IN TILE.

03:57:49.795,03:57:53.668
PAINTING.
DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT
THEY CAN AS WELL AS GETTING

03:57:53.670,03:57:56.632
GRANTS.
THIS IS THE SITE LOOKING TO
THE EAST.

03:57:56.634,03:58:02.140
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 800
METERS LONG.
SO IT IS 40 ACRES, 50 ACRES IN

03:58:02.142,03:58:07.813
ONE SITE, TEN ACRES IN
ENCOMPASSING THE — WHERE THE
BUILDING IS AND ANOTHER 40

03:58:07.815,03:58:12.683
ACRES OF MR RECREATION LAND
SITTING IDLE.
YOU SEE PICTURES OF EQUIPMENT

03:58:12.685,03:58:16.424
AND SUPPLIES PURCHASED OVER
THE TIME.
THAT IS KITCHEN RESTAURANT

03:58:16.426,03:58:23.534
EQUIPMENT TO BE READY TO GO IN
AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
I MEAN WHEN IT’S READY.

03:58:23.536,03:58:30.662
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO ALSO
GO OVER A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
THAT MAY COME UP OR POINTS

03:58:30.664,03:58:34.068
THAT HAVE BEEN SAID IN THE
PAST.
THE QUESTION IS IS IT A GOOD

03:58:34.070,03:58:38.375
OR BAD LOCATION?
I THINK THE ANSWER IS IN THE
COMPARABLES.

03:58:38.377,03:58:43.374
IF YOU COMPARE IT TO SOMETHING
LIKE THE HOTEL ARTS, IT’S
PROBABLY NOT IN A GREAT

03:58:43.376,03:58:48.311
LOCATION.
IF YOU COMPARE IT TO A RURAL
STYLE HALL, IT’S IN A FABULOUS

03:58:48.313,03:58:53.777
LOCATION.
IT’S CROWS TO STONY TRAIL.
IT’S OFFERING A LOT OF THE

03:58:53.779,03:58:59.250
AMENITIES THAT RURAL HALLS DO
AND THEREFORE IT FITS WELL.
THAT’S THE COMPARABLES AND

03:58:59.252,03:59:04.120
UNFORTUNATELY I DON’T THINK
THAT IT HAS BEEN PREPARED IN
THAT LIGHT IN THE PAST.

03:59:04.122,03:59:22.834
AND I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY WE’RE CONTINUING
WHERE WE ARE.

03:59:22.836,03:59:27.740
I THINK IN MANY WAYS, IF WE
WANTED TO BE FAR FETCHED IN
OUR VISION AND THAT’S REALLY

03:59:27.742,03:59:34.846
WHAT IT WAS, IS PEOPLE — YOU
COULD PULL SOMETHING OUT OF
THE HAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW,

03:59:34.848,03:59:39.890
ROSEBUD THEATER MAY NOT HAVE
BEEN A GREAT IDEA AT THE TIME,
BUT IT’S FLOURISHING WELL AND

03:59:39.892,03:59:47.296
THIS HALL COULD BE EXACTLY THE
SAME THING T MAY NOT BE A
GREAT VISION TO SOME, BUT IT

03:59:47.298,03:59:51.806
CERTAINLY COULD BE TO OTHERS
IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO MOVE
FORWARD AND I THINK THAT’S THE

03:59:51.808,03:59:57.010
OTHER — IT NEEDS TO BECOME
VIABLE.
IT WILL BE VIABLE DEPENDING ON

03:59:57.012,04:00:03.685
YOUR CRITERIA AND THE
COMPARABLES AND WHERE WE WOULD
CONTINUE TO MOVE ON FROM THERE.

04:00:03.687,04:00:07.949
SO WHAT IT REALLY NEEDS AND
I’VE SAID IT BEFORE, THE
BUILDING NEEDS TO BE FINISHED

04:00:07.951,04:00:12.929
AND THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE
MADE AND WE HAVE TO
CONTINUE — HEARSE PILES OF

04:00:12.931,04:00:17.666
TILES WAITING TO BE INSTALLED.
MANY ON DONATIONS AND BOUGHT
AT COST AND DIFFERENT THINGS

04:00:17.668,04:00:24.639
LIKE THAT.
THE SCA HAS BEEN WORKING
EXTREMELY WELL PUTTING UP

04:00:24.641,04:00:29.505
DRYWALL, PAINTING, DOING ALL
OF THE THINGS THEY CAN.
GETTING GRANTS WHICH WE’VE HAD

04:00:29.507,04:00:36.547
TWO IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WORKING CASINOS.
THEY HAVE PUT IN ON TOP OF THE

04:00:36.549,04:00:42.754
1.2 MILLION THAT THEY PUT IN
AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THEY’VE
PROBABLY INVESTED ANOTHER 3 TO

04:00:42.756,04:00:46.858
$400.000 AND AGAIN IT’S GOING
TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR IT TO
BE DONE.

04:00:46.860,04:00:53.933
THAT’S WHY I’M ASKING COUNCIL
NOW TO LOOK FORWARD, LOOK AT
THE POSSIBILITY OF HERE’S A

04:00:53.935,04:00:59.570
VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE A
PROJECT WAS ANNEXED HALFWAY
THROUGH ITS CONSTRUCTION WITH

04:00:59.572,04:01:04.308
A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA
AND THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT
IT’S MAKING A PRECEDENT.

04:01:04.310,04:01:10.282
IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT IS
GOING TO IMPEDE THE WAY THE
CITY OF CALGARY WORKS IN THE

04:01:10.284,04:01:14.286
FUTURE.
IT JUST MEANS WE’RE ADDRESSING
A SITUATION AT THIS TIME THAT

04:01:14.288,04:01:20.280
NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND
LOOKED FORWARD.
SO THE PRECEDENT IS EASILY

04:01:20.282,04:01:25.545
EXPLAINABLE.
I’M NOT SURE IF EVER WE’VE HAD
A PROJECT ANNEXED HALFWAY

04:01:25.547,04:01:32.019
THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION
POINT.
>> REPORTS.

04:01:32.021,04:01:37.594
IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF
REPORTS, THAT HAVE BEEN DONE
IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.

04:01:37.596,04:01:42.556
I DO HAVE A LENGTHY LEASE
WHICH HAS BEEN AGREED THAT IT
IS LEGAL AND BINDING AND THERE

04:01:42.558,04:01:49.468
ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT QUITE
HONESTLY THE CITY OF CALGARY
DOES NOT LIKE.

04:01:49.470,04:01:54.606
UNFORTUNATELY THEY’RE THERE
AND THE ONLY WAY TO AGREE IS
TO HAVE BOTH PARTIES

04:01:54.608,04:02:00.613
RENEGOTIATE THEM AND THE ONLY
SAY SCA SAID THEY WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN RENEGOTIATING IS

04:02:00.615,04:02:03.616
THEY FEEL THEY’RE
APPROPRIATELY COMPENSATED FOR
THE LEASE.

04:02:03.618,04:02:11.577
I DO HAVE A BETTER LTD.ER FROM
2010, DECEMBER 8th, WHICH SAYS
IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE A

04:02:11.579,04:02:17.604
VARIATION OF EITHER OPTION A
OR B, YOU CAN PRESENT THEM FOR
DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION

04:02:17.606,04:02:22.778
AND OF COURSE A IS TO PROCEED
WITH COMPENSATION, B IS TO
DECLINE FURTHER COMPENSATION.

04:02:22.780,04:02:29.293
THE NEXT SENTENCE DOWN FURTHER
SAYS THE ONE THING THAT IS NOT
NEGOTIATABLE IS THE AMOUNT OF

04:02:29.295,04:02:33.462
COMPENSATION IDENTIFIED.
WE’VE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION
WHERE IT IS TAKEN THIS WAY OR

04:02:33.464,04:02:37.561
FORGET IT.
I THINK THAT’S SOMEWHAT
NEEDING TO CHANGE.

04:02:37.563,04:02:44.196
IT’S BEEN APPRAISED.
THERE’S BEEN A BUSINESS PLAN
DEVELOPED WHICH AGAIN WE CAN

04:02:44.198,04:02:49.877
TALK ABOUT THAT.
THERE’S BEEN A STUDY TO
IDENTIFY THE USES OF THE

04:02:49.879,04:02:56.156
BUILDING AS WELL AS THE LAND
DONE AND THERE’S BEEN A STUDY
TO DO THE COST TO COMPLETE.

04:02:56.158,04:03:02.861
I THINK IT’S BEEN STUDIED IN
DEPTH IN THE MOTION.
IT SAYS THAT WE WILL GO

04:03:02.863,04:03:10.283
FORWARD WITH TW MORE STUDIES
TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS
COVERING AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY

04:03:10.285,04:03:18.552
WITH I GUESS MOVING FORWARD SO
THAT MONEY ISN’T SPENT
NEEDLESSLY.

04:03:18.554,04:03:25.259
AND I THINK THIS MOTION SETS
OUT WHAT IS REQUIRED, A GOOD
FAITH GESTURE BY THE CITY OF

04:03:25.261,04:03:31.626
CALGARY AND THE WILLINGNESS BY
SCA TO LOOK AT OPTIONS AND
WITHOUT IT COMPLETELY MOVING

04:03:31.628,04:03:36.528
FORWARD SPECIFICALLY FROM HERE,
WE CANNOT DELAY T WE COULD NOT
REFER IT.

04:03:36.530,04:03:40.764
A DECISION NEED TO BE MADE AND
IT SHOULD BE MADE IN SUCH A
WAY THAT BOTH PARTIES CAN

04:03:40.766,04:03:47.005
FINALLY COME TOGETHER WITH
TERMS.
IT ALLOWS FOR THE POSSIBLE

04:03:47.007,04:03:52.253
PARTICIPATING OF SUBLEASES OF
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND THERE
ARE OTHER NON-PROFIT

04:03:52.255,04:03:57.861
ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE
WILLING TO COME FORWARD AND WE
HEARD JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO AT

04:03:57.863,04:04:02.933
ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS
THAT THREE OR FOUR OF THE
SKATEBOARDERS AND A NUMBER OF

04:04:02.935,04:04:08.814
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS ARE
OUT THERE DESPERATELY LOOKING
FOR LAND AND HERE LAND SITS

04:04:08.816,04:04:14.814
IDLE AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE
UNIQUE SITUATION.
IT IVES THAT ALL THE REVENUE

04:04:14.816,04:04:20.821
THAT CAN COME FROM THOSE WOULD
GO BACK TO THE CITY TO RECOUP
THE $1 MILLION INVESTMENT

04:04:20.823,04:04:27.040
NEEDED TO FINISH THE HALL AND
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WILL MOVE
FORWARD FROM THERE.

04:04:27.042,04:04:31.876
REPAYABLE GRANTS HAVE BEEN IN
THE PAST AND I DO HAVE SOME
DOCUMENTATION ON A NUMBER OF

04:04:31.878,04:04:37.307
CASES WHERE A GRANT WAS GIVEN
AND IT WAS ACCEPTED BACK AND
AGAIN THE CITY HAS THE CHOICE

04:04:37.309,04:04:43.766
ON THAT.
BUT IN — TO SUM UP, I’VE GONE
ON FOR A LITTLE BIT.

04:04:43.768,04:04:46.968
ALL I’M ASKING IS THAT WE FIX
THIS SITUATION RATHER THAN
IGNORE IT.

04:04:46.970,04:04:51.046
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN KEATING.

04:04:51.048,04:04:56.842
ALDERMAN LOWE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I HAVE A REFERRAL WITH THIS

04:04:56.844,04:05:03.686
MOTION.
AND I HOPE MADAM CLERK YOU’RE
ABLE TO READ IT.

04:05:03.688,04:05:10.122
THERE WE ARE.
YOUR WORSHIP, I’M SUGGESTING
I’M GOING TO REFER THIS BE

04:05:10.124,04:05:14.424
MOVED TO COMMUNITY AND
PROTECTIVE SERVICES WHERE
APPROPRIATE DESCRIBING THE

04:05:14.426,04:05:20.691
HISTORY OF ISSUE, THE RANGE OF
OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND A
RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION

04:05:20.693,04:05:29.141
SUPPORTABLE UNDER THE MGA.
THERE’S A WHOLE RANGE OF
ISSUES HERE FROM THE SALE OF

04:05:29.143,04:05:36.640
MR TO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
LEASING AND LICENSING OPTION
TO BUSINESS PLANS THAT I’VE

04:05:36.642,04:05:41.248
HAD COME ACROSS MY DESK OVER
THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR
THIS.

04:05:41.250,04:05:48.748
QUITE FRANKLY WEREN’T THERE.
SO THERE’S — TO USE THE
VERNACULAR, THERE’S A HUGE

04:05:48.750,04:05:54.020
AMOUNT OF HAIR ON THIS ISSUE.
SO — NOT MINE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THAT’S

04:05:54.022,04:05:58.657
WHERE IT WENT.
IS THAT WHERE IT WENT ALDERMAN
LOWE?

04:05:58.659,04:06:03.398
>> THIS AND MANY OTHER PLACES
YOUR WORSHIP.
NONETHELESS, I THINK — I HAD

04:06:03.400,04:06:09.669
A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH
Dr. HARDING SHIMER.
YOU WOULD BE PREPARED TO PUT

04:06:09.671,04:06:16.113
TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE
REPORT AROUND THE ISSUE,
CONSULT WITH LAW, LAND AND

04:06:16.115,04:06:20.819
WITH RESPECT TO THE OPTIONS
AVAILABLE UNDER THE ACT AND
THE CITY POLICY FOR RESOLUTION

04:06:20.821,04:06:25.728
OF THIS MATTER.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE
ALDERMAN KEATING IN BRINGING

04:06:25.730,04:06:29.735
IT FORWARD.
THE ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BUT I

04:06:29.737,04:06:36.079
THINK WE’VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND
COUNCIL THROUGH COMMITTEE –
HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT

04:06:36.081,04:06:45.452
WE’RE LOOKING AT HERE.
IT’S IN MY MIND THE CONFUSING
RELATIONSHIP IS THE ISSUE OF

04:06:45.454,04:06:55.152
THE LAND, THE LEASE, ANNEXATION,
SUBLETTING OF MR LAND OR
POSSIBLE SALE OF MRAND BACK

04:06:55.154,04:07:02.393
TO THE CITY.
WHICH IS A NOVEL THOUGHT.
SO THERE’S JUST A RANGE OF

04:07:02.395,04:07:09.979
ISSUES HERE.
SO IF I HAD A SECONDER, YOUR
WORSHIP.

04:07:09.981,04:07:13.682
ALDERMAN –
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS WILL
SECOND THAT, THANK YOU.

04:07:13.684,04:07:20.687
>> I THINK WE’VE GOT TO TREAD
VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.
AND VERY, VERY THOROUGHLY TO

04:07:20.689,04:07:30.698
ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION THAT’S
SUPPORTABLE FOR THIS ISSUE.
AND Dr. HARDING SHIMER, UNLESS

04:07:30.700,04:07:33.970
I’VE COVERED IT IF YOU WANT TO
ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, I KNOW
THIS IS A — IT’S BEEN A

04:07:33.972,04:07:41.774
TRYING ONE FOR CPS, IT KEEPS
COMING BACK TO YOU AND TO
LAND — GLANCING BLOWS.

04:07:41.776,04:07:45.448
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT
TO ADD?
NO, I GUESS NOT.

04:07:45.450,04:07:50.322
>> WELL, YOUR WORSHIP, IT’S
QUITE TRUE THAT I THINK
ALDERMAN KEATING ALSO

04:07:50.324,04:07:52.254
CHARACTERIZE IT HAD QUITE
WELL.
THIS IS A GROUP THAT’S BEEN

04:07:52.256,04:07:57.857
CAUGHT IN BETWEEN AN
ANNEXATION AND THE SITUATION
NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED FROM THE

04:07:57.859,04:08:05.956
CITY’S PERSPECTIVE.
THE MR LAND AND KEEPING IT FOR
PUBLIC USE THE WAY IT WAS

04:08:05.958,04:08:09.994
INTENDED IS A VERY IMPORTANT
PRINCIPLE AND SO THAT’S
WRAPPED IN HERE AS WELL.

04:08:09.996,04:08:15.204
BUT I THINK WE WOULD BE
PREPARED TO WORK WITH THE
COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND

04:08:15.206,04:08:19.272
SHEPHERD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
AND BRING BACK THE STATUS OF
THE HALL CURRENTLY.

04:08:19.274,04:08:23.675
WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE AND
SOME OF THE — WE COULD
PERHAPS — I’M NOT SURE, I’LL

04:08:23.677,04:08:27.580
HAVE TO SPEAK WITH ALDERMAN
KEATING.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK IF

04:08:27.582,04:08:31.447
WE HAD SOME OF THE INFORMATION
REGARDING THE BUSINESS PLAN
AND THE COST TO COMPLETE OF

04:08:31.449,04:08:37.318
THE COMPLEX SO THAT COUNCIL
COULD — KMIT’S AND COUNCIL
COULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION

04:08:37.320,04:08:41.021
WHEN YOU’RE MAKING YOUR
DECISION.
>> MORE IMPORTANT, SO THAT

04:08:41.023,04:08:45.693
COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHERE WE
CAN AND CANNOT ACT IN THIS
MATTER.

04:08:45.695,04:08:48.888
>> RIGHT.
YOU DON’T HAVE A RETURN — A
REPORTING DATE.

04:08:48.890,04:08:53.670
>> THE REPORTING — I WAS
GOING TO ASK YOU HOW LONG YOU
WOULD NEED TO PREPARE THIS

04:08:53.672,04:09:00.978
REPORT.
WOULD TWO MONTHS — THAT WOULD
BE A REPORT IN JUNE TO CPS IN

04:09:00.980,04:09:03.318
JUNE.
ACCEPT SNBL
>> WE HAVE TWO DATES IN JUNE,

04:09:03.320,04:09:06.362
ONE AT THE BEGINNING, ONE AT
THE END.
I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT FOR

04:09:06.364,04:09:10.034
THE END OF JUNE.
>> OR THE SECOND CPS MEETING
IN JUNE.

04:09:10.036,04:09:13.091
THAT’S THE DATE THEN.
THE REPORTING DATE MADAM
CLERK.

04:09:13.093,04:09:15.867
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I’D ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT,
COUNCIL.

04:09:15.869,04:09:24.501
THIS IS A — A VERY CONFUSED
AND COMPLICATED ISSUE.
IT IS RESOLVEABLE BUT WE HAVE

04:09:24.503,04:09:29.799
TO PROCEED VERY, VERY
CAREFULLY ON IT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

04:09:29.801,04:09:34.447
YOU ALDERMAN LOWE.
AND I THINK ALDERMAN POOTMANS
SECONDED THAT.

04:09:34.449,04:09:40.423
WE HAVE A REFERRAL MOTION ON
THE FLOOR.
SO ON THE REFERRAL MOTION,

04:09:40.425,04:09:43.564
ALDERMAN KEATING AN THEN
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

04:09:43.566,04:09:48.735
I DO APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPT TO
TRY AND VEE SOLVE AND IT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING IS COMPLETE.

04:09:48.737,04:09:53.237
THERE IS HISTORY AND THERE ARE
ISSUES HERE THAT ARE VERY
DIFFICULT.

04:09:53.239,04:09:59.809
THE REFERRAL AGAIN THOUGH ALL
I CAN SAY IS JUST SAME PAST,
SAME FUTURE.

04:09:59.811,04:10:05.309
THIS IS REFERRED.
THIS IS DONE IN IN CAMERA.
IT’S REFERRED.

04:10:05.311,04:10:09.476
IGNORED.
UNDERGONE MANY, MANY DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS IN THE PAST.

04:10:09.478,04:10:13.754
I CONSIDER THIS NOT MUCH MORE
OF THE SAME.
THAT WE NEED TO GET PAST THIS

04:10:13.756,04:10:19.427
POINT OF SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT,
WE’RE GOING TO STUD DID IT.
WE’RE GOING TO REFER T WE’RE

04:10:19.429,04:10:22.766
GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.
WE’LL DO SOMETHING, BUT WHO
THE HECK KNOWS WHEN.

04:10:22.768,04:10:29.042
I THINK IT’S TIME WE MADE THIS
DECISION, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD
IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER AND I

04:10:29.044,04:10:35.215
KNOW THAT SCA IS SAYING YOU
KNOW LET’S LOOK AT T LET’S
LOOK AT IT OPENLY.

04:10:35.217,04:10:39.919
REFERRING BACK TO THIS LETTER
WHERE IT SAYS THE ONE THING
THAT’S NOT NEGOTIATABLE SO

04:10:39.921,04:10:44.290
HERE WE ARE AGAIN, WE’RE
SAYING THAT THE ONE THING IS
NOT NEGOTIATABLE IS WHAT WE

04:10:44.292,04:10:51.334
MAY FIND UNPLEASANT.
THE UNPLEASANTNESS IS THAT YOU
HAVE A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION

04:10:51.336,04:10:57.501
IN LIMBO FOR FOUR YEARS.
AND YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT
HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE USED

04:10:57.503,04:11:02.639
FOR THREE YEARS.
IT’S SITTING THERE AND MONEY
HAS BEEN SPENT NEEDLESSLY OVER

04:11:02.641,04:11:06.603
THAT TIME TO KEEP IT IN THAT
STATE RATHER THAN JUST MOVING
FORWARD.

04:11:06.605,04:11:14.078
THE UNPLEASANTNESS IS THAT WE
HAVE TO SET ASIDE ALL OF THE
REQUIREMENTS OF WHERE.

04:11:14.080,04:11:17.548
NOW THE LEASE IS THERE.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT
IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

04:11:17.550,04:11:21.245
THE QUESTION WE HAVE HERE
TODAY IS THAT THE BUILDING
NEEDS TO BE FINISHED.

04:11:21.247,04:11:27.521
AND THE ONLY WAY IT’S GOING TO
BE FINISHED IS WE OPEN UP THE
SUBLEASING IN A MANNER THAT’S

04:11:27.523,04:11:30.887
ACCEPTABLE OR THE CITY IS
WILLING TO FUND IT IN THE
INTERIM.

04:11:30.889,04:11:34.428
THAT’S THE QUESTION THAT WE
HAVE TODAY.
ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES I CAN

04:11:34.430,04:11:38.964
CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THEY NEED
TO BE ADDRESSED AND I THINK
THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE

04:11:38.966,04:11:42.292
FUTURE BUT YOU CANNOT DELAY
THE MOVING FORWARD OF THIS
PROJECT.

04:11:42.294,04:11:46.168
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, ALDERMAN

04:11:46.170,04:11:51.576
KEATING.
ANYONE ELSE ON THE REFERRAL?
ALDERMAN DEMONG, THEN ALDERMAN

04:11:51.578,04:11:58.686
CHABOT.
OH AND HODGES, I’M SORRY.
>> DOCTOR, DOES THIS –

04:11:58.688,04:12:03.921
ALDERMAN KEATING REFERRED THAT
THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR
FOUR YEARS NOW.

04:12:03.923,04:12:07.958
IS THAT AN ACCURATE
REPRESENTATION?
>> YES, I THINK IT IS.

04:12:07.960,04:12:14.555
>> SO THERE HAVE BEEN
NEGOTIATIONS, DISCUSSIONS, ET
CETERA, FOR THE BETTER PART OF

04:12:14.557,04:12:20.322
FOUR YEARS.
>> YES WITH THE FORMER
ALDERMAN.

04:12:20.324,04:12:25.258
>> OKAY.
>> INVOLVED.
>> WHAT WOULD LEAD ME TO

04:12:25.260,04:12:30.644
BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT TWO
MONTHS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
COME UP WITH A SUITABLE

04:12:30.646,04:12:37.828
SOLUTION IF WE HAVEN’T IN THE
LAST FOUR YEARS?
>> I THINK THAT’S VERY

04:12:37.830,04:12:41.790
DIFFERENT HERE IS ALDERMAN
KEATING IS PUTTING ON THE
TABLE THAT SOME MULL FUNDING

04:12:41.792,04:12:45.463
WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME TO
SOME RESOLUTION IN THE
SHORT-TERM.

04:12:45.465,04:12:47.967
>> THAT WASN’T PART OF THE
CONCERN BEFORE?
>> NO.

04:12:47.969,04:12:53.908
>> CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DETAILS
AS TO THE MAJORITY OF THE
CONCERN IF IT WASN’T FUNDING

04:12:53.910,04:12:58.109
TO FINISH THE STRUCTURE WHICH
SEEMS TO BE THE GIST OF THEIR
BIG CONCERN.

04:12:58.111,04:13:03.048
>> WELL, THE HISTORY IS VERY
LONG AND THERE WERE MANY, MANY
REPORTS.

04:13:03.050,04:13:10.700
THERE WAS ATTEMPTS TO PUT
SUBLISES ON THE LAND AND THE
LEASE THAT ALDERMAN KEATING IS

04:13:10.702,04:13:15.606
REFERRING TO THAT WE INHERITED
FROM THE MUNICIPAL DISTRICT OF
ROCKY VIEW DOES NOT ALLOW

04:13:15.608,04:13:19.872
ADMINISTRATION TO APPROVE ANY
SUBLEASES AND THOUGH DECISION
VERSUS TO BE MADE BY CITY

04:13:19.874,04:13:23.312
COUNCIL.
SO WHEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR
SUBLEASES CAME FORWARD, THAT

04:13:23.314,04:13:28.061
WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN SOME
FUNDING, THOSE WERE NOT
APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL

04:13:28.063,04:13:32.227
BECAUSE –
AND I WOULD SAY COUNCIL MADE
THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY

04:13:32.229,04:13:36.897
FELT THAT BUSINESS PLAN AND A
BUSINESS CASE FOR THE ONGOING
OPERATION OF THE COMMUNITY

04:13:36.899,04:13:40.358
ASSOCIATION AND THE HALL HAD
NOT BEEN MADE TO THEIR
SATISFACTION.

04:13:40.360,04:13:46.204
>> BUT THOSE SUBLEASES WERE
ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO COUNCIL
FOR COUNCIL HEARING AND –

04:13:46.206,04:13:53.411
>> YES.
YES.
>> OKAY.

04:13:53.413,04:14:00.350
H’MM.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS

04:14:00.352,04:14:06.693
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
ALDERMAN CHABOT, HODGES, MAR.
THAT’S HOW WE’LL DO T

04:14:06.695,04:14:10.755
>> THANK YOU, AT LEAST IT
WASN’T LOWE AND THEN CHABOT AS
IT USUALLY IS.

04:14:10.757,04:14:15.957
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
SO — USUALLY IT’S –
>> I ALWAYS SAY LOWE THEN

04:14:15.959,04:14:18.993
CHABOT.
NO, WE HAVE 15 MINUTES BEFORE
THE BREAK YOU SEE.

04:14:18.995,04:14:24.623
>> THAT WON’T TAKE ME THAT
LONG.
I DON’T KNOW ABOUT SUPPORTING

04:14:24.625,04:14:30.768
THIS REFERRAL MOTION.
AS ALDERMAN KEATING INDICATED,
WE CERTAINLY HAVE DEBATED THIS

04:14:30.770,04:14:36.694
ISSUE AD NAUSEAM.
THERE’S BEEN A FEW THINGS THAT
HAVE COME FORWARD OUT OF ALL

04:14:36.696,04:14:44.101
OF THIS AND I WAS PREPARED TO
MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO HIS
NOTICE OF MOTION TO LOOK AT –

04:14:44.103,04:14:47.279
AT DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO
NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE
AGREEMENT.

04:14:47.281,04:14:52.913
AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS
AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL
DISTRICT OF ROCKY VIEW

04:14:52.915,04:14:56.748
INCLUDING THE LANDS AND THE
IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE
PROPERTY EXCLUDING, OF COURSE,

04:14:56.750,04:15:00.988
THOSE MONIES THAT WE HAD
INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY TO
PRESERVE THAT ASSET.

04:15:00.990,04:15:06.500
BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME ISSUE
THAT HAD ARISEN SOME TIME AGO
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE

04:15:06.502,04:15:11.695
FACILITY WOULD BE ABLE TO
WITHSTAND A WINTER WITHOUT
HAVING SOME MONEY INVESTED

04:15:11.697,04:15:15.996
INTO THE FACILITY TO PROTECT
IT FROM FURTHER DETERIORATION.
>> BECAUSE COUNCIL INVESTED

04:15:15.998,04:15:20.674
MONEY IN THAT FACILITY AS
WELL, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE THAT WE CUT –

04:15:20.676,04:16:11.357
RECAPTURE THAT INVESTMENT.
PLEASE (PLEASE STAND BY) BY)
>> — A SIMILAR TYPE OF

04:16:11.359,04:16:14.463
NEGOTIATIONS FOR THIRD PARTY
LEASES.
IT’S PROBABLY BEST THAT WE

04:16:14.465,04:16:18.364
KEEP THIS COMMUNITY
ASSOCIATION WITH THE SAME SORT
OF AGREEMENT AS WE HAVE WITH

04:16:18.366,04:16:23.107
THE OTHER 140 SOME ODD
COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN
THE CITY.

04:16:23.109,04:16:30.327
AND BRING THE DECISION OR THE
AGREEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED WITH
THE MUNICIPAL DISTRICT OF

04:16:30.329,04:16:35.725
ROCKY VIEW TO A CONCLUSION AND
MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONCE
AND FOR ALL AND ALLOW THEM THE

04:16:35.727,04:16:40.666
ABILITY TO FINISH THEIR
BUILDING.
AND OF COURSE THIS WOULD

04:16:40.668,04:16:45.010
NECESSITATE THE NEED TO FIND
SOME SORT OF A FINANCING
MECHANISM, AND I WOULD HAVE

04:16:45.012,04:16:53.691
ASKED THAT THIS BE FORWARDED
ON TO LAS WITH FINANCING
OPTIONS NO LATER TO ALLOW US

04:16:53.693,04:16:57.649
FURTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT
THE ASSET FOR THE WINTER.
I’M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS

04:16:57.651,04:17:02.762
REFERRAL MOTION.
HOPEFULLY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER
WHAT I MAY BE PUTTING FORWARD

04:17:02.764,04:17:11.673
IF THIS FAILS AND MAKE THE
DECISION ACCORDINGLY.
THANK YOU ALDERMAN CHABOT.

04:17:11.675,04:17:16.908
ALDERMAN HODGES.
>> YES YOUR WORSHIP MY IDEA
WOULD HAVE BEEN TO REFER IT

04:17:16.910,04:17:22.480
ALL RIGHT BUT TO REFER IT TO
LAND AND ASSET COMMITTEE FOR A
REPORT NOT LATER THAN THE

04:17:22.482,04:17:28.251
FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING OF
JUNE, NOT THIS END OF JUNE.
I THINK ALDERMAN KEATING IS

04:17:28.253,04:17:39.555
LOOKING FOR PASS TO RESOLUTION
FOR THIS WHOLE PROCESS WHICH
HE HAS BEEN TANGLED UP IN

04:17:39.557,04:17:44.235
WHICH SHEPHERD AREA HAS BEEN
TANGLED UP.
REFERENCE TO UP TO $1 MILLION

04:17:44.237,04:17:52.729
FROM THE FSR DEDICATED TO THE
COMPLETION OF THE COMPLEX.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE

04:17:52.731,04:17:58.270
SOME FURTHER FUNDING REQUIRED
TO THIS BUT MY GUESS IS A
MILLION IS NOT GOING TO DO IT.

04:17:58.272,04:18:03.341
I DON’T KNOW IF THEY EVER
EMPLOYED A QUANTITY SURVEYOR
TO GET A HANDLE ON COSTS, BUT

04:18:03.343,04:18:08.450
THAT’S WHAT –
A MILLION DOLLARS DOESN’T GO
VERY FAR ON REPAIRING,

04:18:08.452,04:18:16.994
RENOVATING AND BRINGING A
BUILDING UP TO CURRENT
STANDARDS.

04:18:16.996,04:18:23.332
ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS CAN BE
DEALT WITH IN CAMERA IN LAND
COMMITTEE.

04:18:23.334,04:18:26.732
I THINK THAT’S PREFERABLE.
THIS ISSUE WAS AT COMMUNITY
AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES

04:18:26.734,04:18:31.176
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE
ORGANIZATION WERE THERE, AND

04:18:31.178,04:18:37.441
IT DIDN’T GO ANYWHERE.
SO I DON’T BELIEVE THIS IS AN
ISSUE WHERE COUNCIL, THE CITY

04:18:37.443,04:18:41.513
ADMINISTRATION AND THE
COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION NEED TO
DEBATE ANYTHING.

04:18:41.515,04:18:45.115
THE FACTS ARE KNOWN.
ALDERMAN KEATING PROBABLY HAS
MOST OF THEM.

04:18:45.117,04:18:51.156
WHAT HE DOESN’T HAVE HE CAN
ROUND UP AND PUT IT INTO A
REPORT AND LET’S GET A

04:18:51.158,04:18:57.264
DECISION MADE.
ONE OF THE DECISIONS I WOULD
SUGGEST MAY BE THAT THIS IS NO

04:18:57.266,04:19:02.132
LONGER A MUNICIPAL RESERVE
SITE.
IT CAN FUNCTION POSSIBLY

04:19:02.134,04:19:09.009
BETTER AS A SPR SITE, SCHOOL
PARK RESERVE SITE, AND THAT
WAY IT DOESN’T HAVE ALL OF THE

04:19:09.011,04:19:11.641
RESTRICTIONS I BELIEVE THAT
MUNICIPAL RESERVE CURRENTLY
HAS.

04:19:11.643,04:19:15.175
ANYWAY, LAND COMMITTEES WOULD
BE NIGH SUGGESTION YOUR
WORSHIP.

04:19:15.177,04:19:20.191
I WON’T BE SUPPORTING THIS
PARTICULAR REFERRAL.
>> HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

04:19:20.193,04:19:25.829
DID YOU SAY YOU WOULD RATHER
HAVE IT AT LAND COMMITTEE.
ARE YOU MAKING AN AMENDMENT.

04:19:25.831,04:19:29.132
>> CAN GET INTO ALL OF THE
ISSUES.
YOU MAY RULE IT CONTRARY.

04:19:29.134,04:19:32.599
>> CONTRARY OR WOULD YOU ALLOW
IT.
YOU’RE FINE WITH IT.

04:19:32.601,04:19:36.701
I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE MOVER AND
SECONDER TO FEEL IF IT’S
CONTRARY.

04:19:36.703,04:19:41.746
DO YOU?
OKAY.
LET’S TAKE THE AMENDMENT ON

04:19:41.748,04:19:45.955
THE TABLE AND THEN WE CAN DO
THAT.
BUT YOU CAN’T REFER –

04:19:45.957,04:19:51.226
CAN’T AMEND A REFERRAL MOTION.
SO –
>> SECOND MOTION.

04:19:51.228,04:19:55.928
>> WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU
FEEL THAT WAY WE CAN GO AHEAD
AND DEFEAT THIS ONE AND THEN

04:19:55.930,04:20:00.606
PUT ANOTHER, IF THAT’S WHAT
YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
>> I’M JUST AFRAID THE

04:20:00.608,04:20:06.737
STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE WILL
BE A TIME OF TWO TO THREE HOUR
PUBLIC DEBATE THAT ISN’T GOING

04:20:06.739,04:20:12.509
TO BE ANY MORE SATISFACTORY
THAN THE LAST DEBATE THAT
OCCURRED BEFORE ALDERMAN

04:20:12.511,04:20:18.110
KEATING WAS SADDLED WITH THIS
ISSUE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND PART OF THE

04:20:18.112,04:20:21.842
PROBLEM.
I’M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT AS
MANY OTHER PEOPLE PROBABLY

04:20:21.844,04:20:25.141
ARE.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN SIMILAR
PROBLEMS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY

04:20:25.143,04:20:31.954
OVER THE YEARS, AND IT GOING
TO BE RESOLVED WITH PUBLIC
DEBATE OR IN CAMERA OR IN

04:20:31.956,04:20:36.958
PUBLIC AT A STANDING POLICY
MEETING.
THANK YOU.

04:20:36.960,04:20:39.694
>> THANKS.
ON THE REFERRAL MOTION THAT
YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ALDERMAN

04:20:39.696,04:20:45.566
MAR?
>> THANK YOU.
I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO

04:20:45.568,04:20:51.901
SUGGEST WHAT ALDERMAN HODGES
SUGGESTED TO COUNCIL, LET’S
DEFEAT THIS MOTION AND THEN

04:20:51.903,04:20:57.475
BRING IT TO LAND.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ALL

04:20:57.477,04:21:00.335
RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE ON THE REFERRAL
MOTION THEN?

04:21:00.337,04:21:06.746
ON THE REFERRAL MOTION.
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE

04:21:06.748,04:21:12.482
FRUSTRATION THAT ALDERMAN
KEATING HAS WITH THIS AND IF
WE DEFEAT THIS JUST SOUNDS

04:21:12.484,04:21:16.555
LIKE WE MAY, I THINK ALDERMAN
KEATING IS ONLY INTERESTED IN
A RANGE OF RESOLUTION OPTIONS.

04:21:16.557,04:21:22.460
NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER
OPTIONS.
IT SHOULD BE CONFINED TO

04:21:22.462,04:21:27.132
WHETHER IT’S MEDIATION OR WHAT
ARE THE OPTIONS TO RESOLVE
THIS MATTER.

04:21:27.134,04:21:32.939
SO IF WE HAVE ANOTHER –
IF WE HAVE ANOTHER –
A RERRAL PLACED, ALDERMAN

04:21:32.941,04:21:36.316
HODGES, I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD
DEFINE WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS WE
ARE LOOKING FOR.

04:21:36.318,04:21:41.463
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.

04:21:41.465,04:21:46.502
ALDERMAN LOWE, DID YOU WANT TO
CLOSE ON THIS?
>> I WILL CLOSE YOUR WORSHIP.

04:21:46.504,04:21:51.668
IF IT GOES TO LAND THAT’S
FINE.
THE REASON I CHOSE THE

04:21:51.670,04:21:54.428
STANDING COMMITTEE WAS
TRANSPARENCY.
IN OTHER WORDS COMMUNITY WOULD

04:21:54.430,04:21:58.033
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT
AT THIS STAGE.
THAT WAS THE SOLE REASON.

04:21:58.035,04:22:04.133
LAND IS A GREAT PLACE FOR IT
TO GO TO.
THE DIFFICULTY, OF COURSE,

04:22:04.135,04:22:13.313
WITH LAND IT’S DONE IN CAMERA,
AND THERE WILL BE TOUGH ON
THIS ALDERMAN CARRA THAT WILL

04:22:13.315,04:22:17.118
KEEP IT IN CAMERA, TRUST ME.
HENCE MY LITTLE PHRASE IN
THERE.

04:22:17.120,04:22:22.191
THE OTHER THING, ALDERMAN,
KEATING WITH RESPECT TO YOUR
CONCERN ABOUT THE MOTION YOU

04:22:22.193,04:22:28.670
WILL SEE THE LAST SENTENCE
RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION
SUPPORT MGA AND COUNCIL

04:22:28.672,04:22:32.270
POLICY.
WHICH MEANS AT THE ENDS OF THE
DAY WE WANT A RESOLUTION TO

04:22:32.272,04:22:36.605
THIS.
AND THAT’S THE GOAL OF THIS
WHOLE EXERCISE.

04:22:36.607,04:22:41.041
WHETHER WE GO THROUGH
COMMUNITY PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF FINANCE AT

04:22:41.043,04:22:49.221
ONE POINT.
BAILED IT OUT OF THERE.
AND AS I SAY, I PUT IT IN

04:22:49.223,04:22:53.794
STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE
SIMPLY FOR THE SAKE OF
TRANSPARENCY BUT LAND IS JUST

04:22:53.796,04:22:57.736
FINE.
AND IT IS VERY CAPABLE OF
ACTIONING IT.

04:22:57.738,04:23:00.100
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AS
LONG AS YOU DOAN REFER IT TO
THE MAYOR.

04:23:00.102,04:23:04.372
YOU WILL FIND OUT LATER WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU REFER THINGS
TO THE MAYOR.

04:23:04.374,04:23:08.847
ALL RIGHT, THEN, ON THE
REFERRAL MOTION, THEN ARE WE
AGREED?

04:23:08.849,04:23:17.457
OPPOSED?
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> ALDERMAN JONES?

04:23:17.459,04:23:19.728
ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?

04:23:19.730,04:23:23.297
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?
>> YES.

04:23:23.299,04:23:26.433
>> ALDERMAN MAR.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT?

04:23:26.435,04:23:29.699
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> YES.

04:23:29.701,04:23:35.564
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> NO.

04:23:35.566,04:23:39.695
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?

04:23:39.697,04:23:41.997
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> NO.

04:23:41.999,04:23:46.086
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> NO.

04:23:46.088,04:23:51.617
>> MAYOR NENSHI?
>> NO.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN HODGES.

04:23:51.619,04:23:57.713
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A
MOTION OF REFERRAL BUT LAND
AND ASSET STRATEGY FOR THE

04:23:57.715,04:24:01.368
FIRST SECOND FIRST MEETING OF
JUNE.
I THINK THERE IS AT LEAST –

04:24:01.370,04:24:06.305
THERE IS ONLY THE ONE MEETING
IN JUNE ON MY CALENDAR RIGHT
HANDY I THINK THE SECOND

04:24:06.307,04:24:14.507
TUESDAY OF JUNE.
IMPORTANT THING IS IF THROUGH
THE CHAIR, IF ALDERMAN’S STAFF

04:24:14.509,04:24:19.910
WOULD COLLABORATE WITH
CORPORATE PROPERTIES.
>> DIDN’T REALLY MEAN –

04:24:19.912,04:24:24.784
>> HOPEFULLY LESS THAN TEN
PAGES WITH THIS MOTION
ATTACHED.

04:24:24.786,04:24:28.925
BECAUSE THERE IS ABOUT THREE
OR FOUR ASPECTS TO THIS THING
THAT I DON’T KNOW.

04:24:28.927,04:24:32.426
>> ALDERMAN KEATING TRIED TO
GET ME UP TO DATE.
I KNOW I’M NOT UP TO DATE.

04:24:32.428,04:24:36.831
I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT
SHOULD BE ASKED AND BETWEEN
THE TWO STAFF COMPONENTS, I’M

04:24:36.833,04:24:43.813
SURE THEY CAN PUT IT TOGETHER.
>> THANKS AND I THINK ALDERMAN
MAR IS SECONDING THAT.

04:24:43.815,04:24:49.152
GOT A NEW REFERRAL MOTION
WHICH I THINK DO WE HAVE IT UP
YET?

04:24:49.154,04:24:53.592
OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
ON THIS REFERRAL MOTION,
ANYONE?

04:24:53.594,04:25:01.491
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
TAKE ABOUT 20 SECONDS TO
ADDRESS THAT.

04:25:01.493,04:25:06.827
YOUR WORSHIP, SHOULD THIS
REFERRAL MOTION FAIL, I WOULD
LIKE YOU TO RECOGNIZE ME FOR

04:25:06.829,04:25:12.902
SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD LOOK AT REPORTING THIS
REPORTING BACK TO LAS WITH

04:25:12.904,04:25:15.444
SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO
ADMINISTRATION.
I WANT BE SUPPORTING REFERRAL

04:25:15.446,04:25:18.411
MOTION.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE
FORWARD ON THIS WITH SPECIFIC

04:25:18.413,04:25:26.888
DIRECTION TO ADMINISTRATION TO
NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT.
SO HOPEFULLY –

04:25:26.890,04:25:31.054
CAN’T AMEND A REFERRAL.
WILL BE VOTING AGAINST
REFERRAL AND ENCOURAGE COUNCIL

04:25:31.056,04:25:35.426
TO VOTE AGAINST IT AS WELL AND
MOVE FORWARD ON SOME SORT OF
RESOLUTION ON THIS.

04:25:35.428,04:25:38.804
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
WILL DO.
ALDERMAN KEATING ON THE

04:25:38.806,04:25:42.479
REFERRAL MOTION?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MY COMMENTS ARE THE SAME AS

04:25:42.481,04:25:47.953
THE OTHER REFERRAL.
I’M MUCH MORE OPEN TO ALDERMAN
CHABOT’S SUGGESTION.

04:25:47.955,04:25:53.753
ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE REFERRING
IT FOR WHAT, FOR MORE STUDY.
WE CAN SIT DOWN AS A GROUP.

04:25:53.755,04:25:56.987
WE HAVE THE HISTORY.
WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
I THINK WE HAVE EVEN TALKED

04:25:56.989,04:26:02.260
ABOUT WAYS OF RESOLVING THIS.
UNFORTUNATELY WE NEED COUNCIL
DIRECTION TO SAY SIT AT THE

04:26:02.262,04:26:08.133
TABLE AND DO IT.
I DO KNOW SCA’S MIND.
THEY WOULD LIKE IT SOLVED.

04:26:08.135,04:26:12.504
COMING BACK TO THE IDEA OF
COMPENSATION IF WE TAKE AWAY
THE IDEA OF YOU WILL GET THIS

04:26:12.506,04:26:17.345
AMOUNT AND IT’S NOT NEGOTIABLE,
IF THAT IS REMOVED, THE ISSUE
CAN BE SOLVED IN NO TIME

04:26:17.347,04:26:24.387
WHATSOEVER.
THE REFERER DOES NOTHING BUT
MONTHS OF DISCUSSION THAT DO

04:26:24.389,04:26:29.761
NOT NEED TO TAKE PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TURN THIS
DOWN AND OPEN YOUR MINDS TO

04:26:29.763,04:26:36.879
ALDERMAN CHABOT’S MOTION.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

04:26:36.881,04:26:40.708
ALDERMAN KEATING.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS REFERRAL
MOTION?

04:26:40.710,04:26:44.541
ALDERMAN CARRA AND DEMONG DID
I SEE YOUR ARM.
>> MORE QUESTION.

04:26:44.543,04:26:51.328
I’M UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE
COULD RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE
PUBLIC AT LAS.

04:26:51.330,04:27:01.807
(Inaudible) THAT VENUE.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE PRACTICE
AT LAND AND ASSET GIVES

04:27:01.809,04:27:05.444
SPECIAL COMMITTEE RATHER THAN
STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE.
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS BEEN

04:27:05.446,04:27:09.113
UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE
COMMITTEE.
IF THERE ARE OTHERS THAT WOULD

04:27:09.115,04:27:13.153
LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL, IT’S
PUT TO THE –
USUALLY PUT BY THE CHAIR TO

04:27:13.155,04:27:16.993
THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME.
THERE IS NOT A STANDARD
PRACTICE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

04:27:16.995,04:27:20.596
IT’S LEFT TO THE DECISION OF
THE COMMITTEE.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: FOR

04:27:20.598,04:27:27.367
EXAMPLE, ON IGA, WHICH I CHAIR
WE HAVE CERTAINLY IN THE PAST
ALLOWED PUBLIC SUBMISSION.

04:27:27.369,04:27:32.737
>> AS WE HAVE IN LAS, IF I’M
NOT TOTALLY MISTAKEN.
>> GREAT.

04:27:32.739,04:27:41.706
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF

04:27:41.708,04:27:47.737
PREREADING ALDERMAN CHABOT’S
AMENDMENT AND I AM TRULY
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE

04:27:47.739,04:27:54.811
LEGISLATIVE LESSONS, SO I
WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER –
I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MY

04:27:54.813,04:28:02.062
COLLEAGUES TO VOTE DOWN THE
REFERRAL AND TAKE A CHANCE AT
THE AMENDMENT THAT ALDERMAN

04:28:02.064,04:28:09.273
CHABOT IS PUTTING FORWARD.
IT ALSO DOES IN THE LONG RUN,
IN A ROUND WAY GO BACK TO LAND

04:28:09.275,04:28:12.844
AND ASSET ANYWAY.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE
INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT IT

04:28:12.846,04:28:17.346
HAS TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

04:28:17.348,04:28:22.881
ALDERMAN DEMONG.
ALDERMAN HODGES TO CLOSE?
>> MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, IDEA OF

04:28:22.883,04:28:26.387
THE REFERRAL IS NOT FOR
FURTHER STUDY.
IDEA OF A REFERRAL IS WE HAVE

04:28:26.389,04:28:31.225
A COMPLETE REPORT IN FRONT OF
US, AND IT WILL HAVE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE

04:28:31.227,04:28:35.562
BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL LATER
IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.
I THINK THAT’S A REASONABLE

04:28:35.564,04:28:41.375
REQUEST.
BUT CERTAINLY (Inaudible).
THANK YOU.

04:28:41.377,04:28:43.309
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK
YOU.
ON THE REFERRAL MOTION BEFORE

04:28:43.311,04:28:47.546
YOU THEN ARE WE AGREED?
>> AGREED.
>> OPPOSED?

04:28:47.548,04:28:54.987
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> ALDERMAN KETING?
>> NO.

04:28:54.989,04:28:57.816
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?

04:28:57.818,04:29:00.985
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MAR?
>> YES.

04:29:00.987,04:29:06.905
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> YES.

04:29:06.907,04:29:13.475
>> ALDERMAN STEVENSON?
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> NO.

04:29:13.477,04:29:19.470
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?

04:29:19.472,04:29:21.873
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> NO.

04:29:21.875,04:29:25.548
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> YES.

04:29:25.550,04:29:29.832
>> ALDERMAN JONES?
MAYOR NENSHI.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: NO.

04:29:29.834,04:29:36.172
>> CARRIED.
>> ALL RIGHT, THEN, GIVEN THE
TIME WE’LL RECESS.

04:29:36.174,04:29:41.442
WE’LL SEE YOU BACK HERE AT
3:45, AND YES WE GOT THROUGH
LAST WEEK’S AGENDA.

04:31:06.468,04:31:11.436
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: AND WE
ARE BACK.
ALL RIGHT.

04:31:11.438,04:31:16.443
SO ALDERMAN JONES IS GOING TO
MOVE THE NEXT ONE.
THANKS, ALDERMAN JONES.

04:31:16.445,04:31:22.079
DO I HAVE A SECONDER?
THIS IS ITEM 8.1.1.
THANKS ALDERMAN HODGES.

04:31:22.081,04:31:32.827
DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
LOOK I HAVE SOME ALDERMAN
MacLEOD.

04:31:37.698,04:31:41.706
>> MAYOR NENSHI, I SEE YOUR
LIGHT IS ON.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY

04:31:41.708,04:31:45.217
SOMETHING.
>> I WOULD.
I FEEL LIKE I’M SPENDING A LOT

04:31:45.219,04:31:50.374
OF TIME.
I ENJOY YOUR TWITTER SCREEN.
>> PERSPECTIVE IS GOOD.

04:31:50.376,04:31:55.115
>> VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
I KNOW THIS IS JUST A
BOILERPLATE REPORT TO COUNCIL

04:31:55.117,04:31:59.311
BUT I WAS STRUCK BY THE LINE
THAT SAYS THE CITY DOES NOT
HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO

04:31:59.313,04:32:04.484
PROSECUTE OFFENSES OR LAEA
OFFENSES.
I THINK THAT ONE LINE

04:32:04.486,04:32:09.825
SUMMARIZES SO WELL, WHAT AN
INCREDIBLE MESS WE ARE IN AS
IT RELATES TO CAMPAIGN

04:32:09.827,04:32:16.392
FINANCES.
AS MANY OF YOU HAVE KNOWN, I
HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR

04:32:16.394,04:32:20.394
COMPREHENSIVE FINANCE REFORM
FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND I AM
IN FACT WRITING A LETTER TO

04:32:20.396,04:32:25.728
THE MINISTER WHICH MAYBE
ALDERMAN PINCOTT MAY COSIGN
WITH ME ABOUT SOME OF THE

04:32:25.730,04:32:28.762
CHANGES WE NEED TO SEE ON THIS
FILE.
AND I’M VERY SORRY TO REPORT

04:32:28.764,04:32:37.477
THAT BASED ON MY ANALYSIS, THE
TENTATIVE GRASPING TINY
CHANGES THAT THE PROVINCIAL

04:32:37.479,04:32:42.553
GOVERNMENT PUT FORTH TO
CAMPAIGN FINANCE JUST BEFORE
THE LAST ELECTION ACTUALLY

04:32:42.555,04:32:49.785
MADE ITEMS MUCH, MUCH WORSE.
THERE ARE SO MANY
INCONSISTENCIES AND CHALLENGES

04:32:49.787,04:32:53.966
IN THE LAW CURRENTLY.
JUST TO PICK ON ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES ALDERMAN FARRELL

04:32:53.968,04:32:57.895
BECAUSE I SEE YOU RIGHT THERE,
THE WAY THAT ALDERMAN FARRELL
REPORTED HER DISCLOSURE

04:32:57.897,04:33:02.640
EXPENSES WAS TOTALLY LEGAL AND
QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY
OTHERS DID.

04:33:02.642,04:33:07.704
AND THE LAW ACTUALLY ALLOWS
FOR THAT, WHICH IS A
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE FOR ME.

04:33:07.706,04:33:12.211
THE CAP WAS –
THE CAP ON INDIVIDUAL AND
CORPORATE DONATIONS WAS SET SO

04:33:12.213,04:33:16.915
HIGH IT BECAME A DE FACTO
FLOOR RATHER THAN A CEILING.
IN THE 2007 ELECTION THERE

04:33:16.917,04:33:21.384
WERE FEWER THAN FIVE DONATIONS
OF $5,000 OR GREATER IN THE
ENTIRE PROVINCE.

04:33:21.386,04:33:26.427
AND NOW $5,000 SEEMS TO BE THE
TICKET TO ADMISSION FOR MANY
DONATIONS.

04:33:26.429,04:33:30.693
THE THING IS A MESS.
AND IT’S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
THAT THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT

04:33:30.695,04:33:36.760
RECOGNIZE THIS.
AND START TO REAL CHANGES TO
IT.

04:33:36.762,04:33:42.799
IN ATTEMPTING TO DO THIS IN A
GRASPING SIMPLE WAY, THEY HAVE
ACTUALLY MADE MATTERS MUCH,

04:33:42.801,04:33:49.447
MUCH WORSE AND IT’S NOT FAIR
TO VOTERS OR TO CITIZENS.
>> THANK YOU.

04:33:49.449,04:33:57.758
>> ALDERMANINCOTT?
>> THANK YOU.
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MAYOR

04:33:57.760,04:34:08.466
NENSHI HAS JUST SAID.
AND WE AS A COUNCIL LAST YEAR
BASICALLY EXPRESSED OUR

04:34:08.468,04:34:13.562
DISSATISFACTION WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT THE PROVINCE
WAS MAKING TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE

04:34:13.564,04:34:19.936
AND BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT
THEY WERE ULTIMATELY NOT
HELPING THE SITUATION.

04:34:19.938,04:34:25.712
I THINK THAT –
I THINK THAT WE AT A POINT,
AND I THINK WE ARE AT THAT

04:34:25.714,04:34:30.755
POINT, AND I WILL BE BRINGING
A NOTICE OF MOTION FORWARD
TO –

04:34:30.757,04:34:35.930
FOR US TO LOOK AT CAMPAIGN
FINANCE REFORM AND PUT REAL
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM IN

04:34:35.932,04:34:43.900
PLACE, WE –
LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO WE AS
A COUNCIL SAT BACK AND WHEN WE

04:34:43.902,04:34:47.906
DISCUSSED CAMPAIGN FINANCE
REFORM AND SAID THE PROVINCE
IS DOING SOMETHING WE ARE

04:34:47.908,04:34:52.137
GOING TO LET THE PROVINCE DEAL
WITH IT AND SEEN WHAT THEY
HAVE COME UP WITH.

04:34:52.139,04:34:55.544
WE HAVE SEEN THEY VANE COME UP
WITH ANYTHING THAT WORKS AT
ALL.

04:34:55.546,04:34:58.779
I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL WILL
HAVE TO SHOW LEADERSHIP ON
THIS.

04:34:58.781,04:35:04.129
AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME –
WITH REAL –
WITH REAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE

04:35:04.131,04:35:11.831
RULES.
YES, IT IS THAT FIRST LINE IS
STRIKING AS THAT FIRST LINE IS

04:35:11.833,04:35:16.131
STRIKING SO MANY TIMES AND SO
MANY THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH
THAT WE SEE ARE A BIT OF A

04:35:16.133,04:35:21.139
DOG’S BREAKFAST BUT AT A
CERTAIN POINT WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

04:35:21.141,04:35:26.983
SO WATCH FOR A MOTION COMING
TO A FLOOR NEAR YOU.
>> WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION, NO

04:35:26.985,04:35:36.183
DOUBT.
WE GOT MORE LIGHTS.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

04:35:36.185,04:35:43.320
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
AS I SEE Ms. CLIFFORD IN THE
AUDIENCE HERE, WE HAVE BEEN

04:35:43.322,04:35:53.128
ASSIGNED TO COME UP WITH SOME
CHANGES FOR 5.1 AND THAT’S THE
PART THAT WE FELT SHOULD JUST

04:35:53.130,04:36:00.999
BE TOTALLY WITHDRAWN BECAUSE
THERE ARE SO MANY PARTS OF IT
THAT ARE NOT WORKABLE AND –

04:36:01.001,04:36:06.534
BUT THE GOVERNMENT ASKED
THROUGH THE –
ASKED US NOT JUST TO SAY TO

04:36:06.536,04:36:09.172
WITHDRAW IT.
THEY ARE DEALING WITH
POLITICAL PRESSURES THERE.

04:36:09.174,04:36:15.877
THEY SAID COME UP WITH SOME
SOLUTIONS.
SO THE LAW DEPARTMENT HERE AND

04:36:15.879,04:36:23.356
Ms. CLIFFORD AND MYSELF, AND
NOW THERE IS SOME OTHERS
INVOLVED WITH US, BUT WE ARE

04:36:23.358,04:36:26.495
COMING UP WITH ALL THE
DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS, ALL THE
DIFFERENT CHANGES.

04:36:26.497,04:36:31.971
AND I HONESTLY HAVE TO TELL
YOU, I THINK THAT WHEN THE
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS LOOKS AT IT,

04:36:31.973,04:36:36.473
THEY ARE GOING TO SAY WE
BETTER JUST WITHDRAW THE WHOLE
THING, BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS

04:36:36.475,04:36:43.699
THAT AS WE FIX SOMETHING, IT
CREATES MORE PROBLEMS, AND SO
WE ARE A LOT BETTER OFF WHEN

04:36:43.701,04:36:50.041
THE CITY WAS IN A POSITION OF
DEVELOPING THEIR OWN BYLAWS,
AND COULD ACTUALLY PUT SOME

04:36:50.043,04:36:55.086
REGULATIONS RATHER THAN THEM
TRYING TO COME UP WITH ONE
SIZE FITS ALL AND IT HAS

04:36:55.088,04:36:58.889
CREATED A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
SO THERE IS SOME PROGRESS.
WE ARE –

04:36:58.891,04:37:04.491
WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DRAFT
PREPARED IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS
BECAUSE THE NEXT –

04:37:04.493,04:37:07.995
THE FINAL MEETING OF OUR
COMMITTEE IS ON THE 6th OF
MAY.

04:37:07.997,04:37:15.906
SO ONCE I HAVE THE ROUGH
DRAFT –
ONCE WE ARE FINISHED WITH IT,

04:37:15.908,04:37:20.412
THEN I WILL BE CIRCULATING IT
TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AND TO
THE MAYOR TO HAVE YOU GIVE

04:37:20.414,04:37:24.447
YOUR INPUT BEFORE WE PRESENT
IT.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

04:37:24.449,04:37:29.489
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN
STEVENSON.

04:37:29.491,04:37:36.324
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
A FEW YEARS AGO WE ACTUALLY

04:37:36.326,04:37:44.250
JUNDZ TOOK A PROCESS WITH THE –
UNDERTOOK A PROCESS WITH THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND

04:37:44.252,04:37:49.756
Mr. LEAPERT WAS LOOKING AT
HEADING UP THE REVIEW OF THE
ELECTIONS ACT AND THEY CHOSE

04:37:49.758,04:37:58.098
AT THAT TIME NOT TO AMEND THE
LOCAL AUTHORITIES ELECTION ACT
WHICH WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM

04:37:58.100,04:38:01.839
AUTHORITY OVER CAMPAIGN
FINANCE RULES.
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, OF COURSE

04:38:01.841,04:38:11.286
THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC INPUT.
I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH PUBLIC
INPUT, BUT SOME THAT I GUESS

04:38:11.288,04:38:15.614
NECESSARITATOR FROM THEIR
PERSPECTIVE, THE NEED TO AMEND
THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES ELECTION

04:38:15.616,04:38:20.117
ACT TO GIVE GUIDANCE AS TO
CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES.
PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS LEFT UP

04:38:20.119,04:38:25.114
TO THE MUNICIPALITIES.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY COME
FORWARD WITH SPECIFIC CAMPAIGN

04:38:25.116,04:38:29.950
FINANCE RULES.
BUT WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION,
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THAT

04:38:29.952,04:38:33.957
POWER AWAY FROM US.
TAKEN OVER THAT CONTROL, AND
SAID, HERE ARE THE NEW RULES

04:38:33.959,04:38:40.003
AND REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE A PROCESS NOW, AS
ALDERMAN STEVENSON INDICATED,

04:38:40.005,04:38:45.103
WHEREBY WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO FIX
THAT, HOW TO CHANGE IT OR

04:38:45.105,04:38:49.895
REVERT BACK TO WHAT WAS
PREVIOUSLY IN THE HANDS OF
MUNICIPALITY TO ACTUALLY PUT

04:38:49.897,04:38:56.033
IN SPECIFIC RULES THAT OUR OWN
RULES WERE ACTUALLY A LOT MORE
STRINGENT THAN THE CURRENT

04:38:56.035,04:39:00.370
REGULATION.
SO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, IF YOU
WANT TO PROVIDE INPUT ON WHAT

04:39:00.372,04:39:06.183
THE RULES SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN
THE FUTURE, I SUBJECTING YOU
PROBABLY SHOULD GET ON IT AND

04:39:06.185,04:39:11.256
TALK WITH ALDERMAN STEVENSON
ON WHAT PROPOSALS YOU WOULD
LIKE MADE TO THE LOCAL

04:39:11.258,04:39:14.660
AUTHORITIES ELECTION ACT TO
ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

04:39:14.662,04:39:20.598
I’M GOING TO SUPPORT THE
MOTION TO RECEIVE THIS REPORT
FOR INFORMATION, BUT CERTAINLY

04:39:20.600,04:39:25.375
WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
AMENDMENT PROCESS.

04:39:25.377,04:39:31.577
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN CHABOT.
THIS INITIATIVE AFFECTS EVERY
ONE OF US.

04:39:31.579,04:39:34.308
ON THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL
RECEIVES THIS REPORT FOR
INFORMATION.

04:39:34.310,04:39:53.198
ARE WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?
>> ALL RIGHT.

04:39:53.200,04:40:01.413
THAT TAKES US TO 8.1.2.
THERE IS NO NUMBER ON THIS
ONE.

04:40:01.415,04:40:12.057
C 2011-37 SUBSEQUENT REPORT
INTERNATIONAL AVENUE OVERALL
PROJECTS SCOPE.

04:40:12.059,04:40:18.361
ALDERMAN CHABOT, DID YOU WANT
TO INTRODUCE THIS ONE?
>> CERTAINLY, YOUR WORSHIP.

04:40:18.363,04:40:23.268
WE HAD A CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS
BRIEFLY AT COMMITTEE, AND SOME
OF THE MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE

04:40:23.270,04:40:28.973
EXPRESSED AN INTEREST ON
ADDITIONAL DIRECTION OR
ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTARY

04:40:28.975,04:40:34.908
INFORMATION TO HELP TO SUPPORT
THE APPLICATION AND
ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT

04:40:34.910,04:40:40.544
TOGETHER SOME RECOMMENDATIONS
AND THEIR OPINION ON THIS
APPLICATION, AND WHAT THEY SEE

04:40:40.546,04:40:44.690
AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE
VERY BENEFICIAL AT A VERY
MINIMAL COST.

04:40:44.692,04:40:51.328
AND LOOKING AT NEW
OPPORTUNITIES, NEW WAYS OF
POTENTIALLY ENCOURAGING

04:40:51.330,04:40:58.575
DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT
IN AN EXISTING AREA.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ALSO

04:40:58.577,04:41:10.015
POINT OUT Ms. ALISON McSWEENEY
WHO IS THE HEAD OF 17th AVENUE
BCRE HAS BEEN IN THE AUDIENCE,

04:41:10.017,04:41:14.192
SHOWING HER SUPPORT OF THIS
INITIATIVE IN CASE SOME
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MIGHT WANT

04:41:14.194,04:41:18.125
TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
FOR HER.
CERTAINLY WITHIN COUNCIL’S

04:41:18.127,04:41:22.451
PREROGATIVE TO ASK A MEMBER OF
THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD TO
HELP TO SUPPORT A PARTICULAR

04:41:22.453,04:41:28.166
INITIATIVE.
I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO
MAKE THAT MOTION IF THERE IS

04:41:28.168,04:41:35.004
AN INTEREST FOR IT.
EITHER WAY, I WILL SIT DOWN.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT, THERE WAS

04:41:35.006,04:41:42.733
A BIT OF STATIC ON THE LINE.
>> SORRY.
I WAS INDICATING THAT SHE WAS

04:41:42.735,04:41:50.078
HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND IF
MEMBER OF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE
TO HEAR FROM Ms. McSWEENEY, IF

04:41:50.080,04:41:54.119
THEY FEEL THE NEED TO,
ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MORE THAN
HAPPY TO HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE

04:41:54.121,04:41:58.619
HER SUPPORT TO COMMITTEE.
I THINK IT’S SELF EXPLANATORY.
>> DO YOU WANT TO PUT A MOTION

04:41:58.621,04:42:02.724
ON THE TABLE FIRST, ALDERMAN
CHABOT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MOTION

04:42:02.726,04:42:05.355
THE ADMINISTRATION
RECOMMENDATION IS COUNCIL
RECEIVE THIS REPORT FOR

04:42:05.357,04:42:12.098
INFORMATION.
I WOULD ACTUALLY ADD –
>> COUNCIL SUPPORT THE FUNDING

04:42:12.100,04:42:23.911
REQUIREMENTS.
>> THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE –
APPROVE THE APPLICATION TO THE

04:42:23.913,04:42:27.811
INNOVATION FUND, I SUPPOSE.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.

04:42:27.813,04:42:32.212
COUNCIL RECEIVE THIS REPORT
FOR INFORMATION AND FURTHER
THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE

04:42:32.214,04:42:36.553
INNOVATION FUND APPLICATION
SECONDED BY ALDERMAN CARRA.
YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A

04:42:36.555,04:42:43.761
MOTION TO HAVE COUNCIL HEAR
FROM Ms. McSWEENEY.
>> I’M HAPPY TO DO SO, YOUR

04:42:43.763,04:42:48.793
WORSHIP IF SOME MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
FROM Ms. McSWEENEY.

04:42:48.795,04:42:54.034
>> I ALWAYS ENJOY HEARING FROM
Ms. McSWEENEY.
WHY DON’T WE WAIT TO SEE IF

04:42:54.036,04:42:58.416
THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> QUESTIONS, COMMENTS,

04:42:58.418,04:43:05.194
DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE,
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MY

04:43:05.196,04:43:11.102
ENTIRE LIFE IN CALGARY REALLY
AS A POLITICAL FORCE, AND AS
AN URBAN DESIGNER BEGAN ON

04:43:11.104,04:43:13.769
INTERNATIONAL AVENUE WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL AVENUE DESIGN
INITIATIVE.

04:43:13.771,04:43:19.110
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT
WORK.
AND IT’S REALLY ABOUT HOW TO

04:43:19.112,04:43:27.246
YOU REVITALIZE AN AREA,
PREVENT, HOW DO YOU MAKE AN
EQUITABLE REVITALIZATION AND

04:43:27.248,04:43:32.786
THE INTERNATIONAL DESIGN WHICH
IS A MAJOR STEP FORWARD OF THE
COMMUNITY OF CALGARY WAS THE

04:43:32.788,04:43:36.387
RESULT OF AN OUTSIDE CATALYST,
THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY
COMING IN AND SUPPORTING.

04:43:36.389,04:43:42.256
AND WE REACHED SORT OF A POINT
WHERE WE NEED ANOTHER OUTSIDE
CATALYST, AND INDIVIDUALS WE

04:43:42.258,04:43:48.929
ARE WORKING WITH ARE WORLD
CLASS AND HAVE A VERY, VERY
INTERESTING PROGRAM THAT COULD

04:43:48.931,04:43:54.936
BE OF SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THE
REST OF THE CITY, TOO, AS WE
TALKED ABOUT, HOW DO WE

04:43:54.938,04:44:00.715
INTENSIFY AND POPULATE OUR
INNER CITY WITHOUT DRIVING
AWAY THE INCOME GROUPS THAT

04:44:00.717,04:44:07.178
ARE NECESSARY TO REMAIN A
COMPLETE COMMUNITY.
I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO

04:44:07.180,04:44:13.920
SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT IS
EXACTLY I THINK WHAT THE
INNOVATION FUND IS ABOUT.

04:44:13.922,04:44:19.431
>> THANK YOU, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ALDERMAN MacLEOD?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

04:44:19.433,04:44:24.697
I TOO AM SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR
WITH THIS.
NOT NEARLY AT THE LEVEL OF

04:44:24.699,04:44:28.763
ALDERMAN CARRA’S INVOLVEMENT.
AND I TOO THINK THIS IS AN
EXCITING INITIATIVE.

04:44:28.765,04:44:36.123
I THINK IT HAS HUGE POTENTIAL,
AND IT COULD BE I’M NOT SURE
WHAT THE RIGHT WORD,

04:44:36.125,04:44:41.391
LEADERSHIP PIECE IN THE CITY
AND IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
THAT WE HAVE HERE.

04:44:41.393,04:44:47.802
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS
VERY MUCH, ALDERMAN MacLEOD.

04:44:47.804,04:44:52.648
BEFORE I CALL ON ALDERMAN
CHABOT TO CLOSE, I ACTUALLY
HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH IS

04:44:52.650,04:44:58.050
ALDERMAN CHABOT, I HOPE YOU
CAN DO THIS THIS, PERHAPS YOU
CAN WALK US THROUGH THE

04:44:58.052,04:45:01.988
BUDGETATES BIT.
WASN’T 100% CLEAR TO ME WHAT
THE MONEY WAS BEING USED FOR

04:45:01.990,04:45:04.796
AND IN PARTICULAR THERE WAS
THE MONEY –
I DON’T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF

04:45:04.798,04:45:08.194
ME.
THERE WAS MONEY GOING TO
PROFESSIONAL FEES AND I DIDN’T

04:45:08.196,04:45:23.259
KNOW TO WHOM THAT WAS BEING
PAID.
>> WELL, YOUR WORSHIP, WITHOUT

04:45:23.261,04:45:27.426
GOING INTO –
WELL, THERE IS CERTAIN ASPECTS
OF THIS THAT I PROBABLY CAN’T

04:45:27.428,04:45:34.062
PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF –
THE SAME LEVEL OF
UNDERSTANDING.

04:45:34.064,04:45:37.363
I DIDN’T PUT FORWARD THE
APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION WAS PUT

04:45:37.365,04:45:42.372
FORWARD BY THE BRC
SPECIFICALLY AND SOME OF THE
COMPONENTS WITHIN HERE ARE

04:45:42.374,04:45:49.713
ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT COULD
PROBABLY BE BEST ANSWERED BY
MS McSWEENEY.

04:45:49.715,04:45:54.452
>> THE APPLICATION IS BEING
DISTRIBUTED RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT

04:45:54.454,04:45:58.954
THE BULK OF THE INTENT OF
COURSE IS LOOKING AT
COMMUNICATIONS PIECE, TRYING

04:45:58.956,04:46:09.172
TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE ENGAGED
AS POSSIBLE, PROVIDING SOME
OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVERTISEMENTS,

04:46:09.174,04:46:17.844
SECURING OF A VENUE, PROVIDING
I GUESS INCREASED OPPORTUNITY
FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN

04:46:17.846,04:46:22.515
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BUT
AS I INDICATED YOUR WORSHIP,
HAPPY TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION

04:46:22.517,04:46:27.378
TO HAVE Ms. McSWEENEY ADDRESS
THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
>> SHE LOOKS READY.

04:46:27.380,04:46:32.886
>> BECAUSE SHE COULD PROBABLY
ADDRESS IT BETTER THAN ANYONE.
>> HAPPY TO TAKE THAT MOTION.

04:46:32.888,04:46:35.429
ALDERMAN CARRA YOU ARE
SECONDING IT.
THANK YOU.

04:46:35.431,04:46:39.867
ARE WE AGREED TO HAVE
Ms. McSWEENEY COME FORWARD.
ANY OPPOSED.

04:46:39.869,04:46:42.635
VERY WELL.
HELLO.
YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD ESCAPE

04:46:42.637,04:46:51.542
BUT …
>> THANK YOU.
I’M WONDERING YOUR WORSHIP, IF

04:46:51.544,04:46:58.320
VICTORIA A COPY OF THAT BUDGET
THAT WAS SUBMITTED, PLEASE.
– I COULD HAVE A COPY OF

04:46:58.322,04:47:02.960
THAT BUDGET THAT WAS
SUBMITTED.
>> JUST ON ITS WAY TO YOU.

04:47:02.962,04:47:07.838
>> THANK YOU.
DIDN’T ACTUALLY SEE THE END.
SO THE PROFESSIONAL FEES AND

04:47:07.840,04:47:13.883
ANALYSIS ARE A NUMBER OF –
I DON’T WANT TO SPECIFICALLY
SAY THE PEOPLE, BUT IT IS

04:47:13.885,04:47:18.888
ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT WE ARE DOING CAP TALL
ANALYSIS AND NUMBER OF THOSE

04:47:18.890,04:47:23.582
THINGS, WE DO NEED TO PAY
PROFESSIONAL FEES FOR THAT –
CAPITAL.

04:47:23.584,04:47:26.879
OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY ARE
FROM OUT OF TOWN WE ARE GOING
TO BE PAYING THEIR TRAVEL AND

04:47:26.881,04:47:32.079
ACCOMMODATION.
AND THEN THE ROOM RENTAL IS
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PUBLIC

04:47:32.081,04:47:37.149
LECTURE THAT WE WILL BE
PROVIDING TO THE CITY OF
CALGARY TO MAKE THEM MORE

04:47:37.151,04:47:40.456
AWARE OF THE SUSTAINABLE
PROJECT.
>> OKAY.

04:47:40.458,04:47:43.456
THAT REALLY IS ALL I NEEDED TO
KNOW.
THANK YOU.

04:47:43.458,04:47:48.392
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS
McSWEENEY.
ALDERMAN HODGES?

04:47:48.394,04:47:57.099
>> YES.
Ms. McSWEENEY, PAGE THREE OF 3,
THE FIRST NUMBER I SAW,

04:47:57.101,04:48:01.400
QUESTION GOING TO ASK TRAVEL
ACCOMMODATION, FOOD AND HOTEL
11.500.

04:48:01.402,04:48:06.468
HOW MANY SEEM ARE GOING TO BE.
>> THAT IS TWO.
>> HOW FAR ARE THEY COMING

04:48:06.470,04:48:09.443
FROM?
>> ONE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA,
THE OTHER ONE IS COMING FROM

04:48:09.445,04:48:13.845
TEXAS.
THAT’S IN LINE –
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AERO

04:48:13.847,04:48:17.439
PLAN SUBSCRIBERS.
>> THEY ARE HERE FOR A NUMBER
OF TRIPS.

04:48:17.441,04:48:20.816
>> TO.
>> IT WOULD BE TWO TRIPS, SO
FOUR.

04:48:20.818,04:48:28.861
IT WOULD BE FOUR TRIPS.
D IT IS IN LINE WITH OUR
BUDGET.

04:48:28.863,04:48:33.668
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SHOULD GET THEM TO SUBSCRIBE
TO AERO PLAN.

04:48:33.670,04:48:37.144
>> USE THEIR POINTS.
>> UNFORTUNATELY SINCE THEY
ARE COMING FROM THE U.S. WE

04:48:37.146,04:48:42.515
ACTUALLY –
I’M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE
ARROWPLAN.

04:48:42.517,04:48:44.285
>> THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN CHABOT, DID YOU HAVE
A QUESTION.

04:48:44.287,04:48:47.355
OR WERE YOU CLOSING?
>> JUST CLOSING.
>> ANYONE ELSE?

04:48:47.357,04:48:51.226
>> I LOVE THE CLERK LOVES WHEN
I SAY THAT.
ALL RIGHT.

04:48:51.228,04:48:54.725
ALDERMAN CHABOT TO CLOSE.
>> VERY BRIEFLY.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH TO SOME OF

04:48:54.727,04:48:58.997
THE EXPENSES, TRAVEL
ACCOMMODATION AS ONE IN
PARTICULAR AS REQUESTED BY

04:48:58.999,04:49:03.498
ALDERMAN HODGES, WE ARE
TALKING NOT JUST AIRFARE HERE
FOR TRAVEL BUT ALSO

04:49:03.500,04:49:07.800
ACCOMMODATIONS DURING THE
PERIOD OF WHICH THESE TWO
INDIVIDUALS WILL BE STAYING IN

04:49:07.802,04:49:11.729
THE CITY.
SO THEIR ROOM.
THEIR MEALS.

04:49:11.731,04:49:15.431
NOT LIKE THEY ARE COMING HERE
FOR ONE DAY AND THEN LEAVING.
THEY WILL BE STAYING HERE OVER

04:49:15.433,04:49:21.010
A COURSE OF SEVERAL DAYS.
AND ON MULTIPLE TRIPS.
TWO TRIPS SPECIFICALLY.

04:49:21.012,04:49:25.653
AND HOW LONG THEY END UP
STAYING HERE, THIS IS A
BUDGETED AMOUNT WHICH I THINK

04:49:25.655,04:49:31.964
WILL BE IF ANYTHING
CONSERVATIVE.
THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT

04:49:31.966,04:49:39.974
CONTRIBUTIONS BY THE BRZ IN
ASSOCIATION WITH THIS,
SIGNIFICANT IN KIND

04:49:39.976,04:49:42.009
CONTRIBUTIONS.
THIS ISN’T COMPLETELY FUNDED
BY US.

04:49:42.011,04:49:46.312
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SOURCES
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY ASSIST

04:49:46.314,04:49:51.356
US IN MAKING AN APPLICATION
FOR THE CRL WHICH COUNCIL HAS
ALREADY APPROVED.

04:49:51.358,04:49:59.660
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY
HOW WE APPLY AND THE CRITERIA
SPECIFICALLY IN RELATIONS TO

04:49:59.662,04:50:07.229
COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION LEVY.
THIS WILL HELP TO CLEARLY MORE
CLEARLY DEFINE WHY IT IS A CRL

04:50:07.231,04:50:11.295
IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN
ACTUALLY REDEVELOP THIS AREA.
IT WILL BETTER DEFINE OUR

04:50:11.297,04:50:17.111
APPLICATION TO THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT WHICH POTENTIALLY
COULD HELP US TO PROVIDE SOME

04:50:17.113,04:50:20.814
FINANCES, FINANCIAL RESOURCES
TO HELP TO REDEVELOP THIS
AREA.

04:50:20.816,04:50:27.549
SO MODEST INVESTMENT WITH
POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANTLY
LARGE BENEFIT.

04:50:27.551,04:50:32.651
SO HOPEFULLY COUNCIL CAN
SUPPORT IT, AND MAYBE WE CAN
MAKE USE OF THIS PROCESS AGAIN

04:50:32.653,04:50:40.050
IN OTHER AREAS.
SO I WILL SIT ON THAT.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH ALDERMAN

04:50:40.052,04:50:43.892
CHABOT.
SO ON THE MOTION, WHICH IS
BOTH TO RECEIVE THE REPORT FOR

04:50:43.894,04:50:49.216
INFORMATION BUT ALSO TO
PROVE –
TO APPROVE THE 59.500 FROM THE

04:50:49.218,04:50:52.451
INNOVATION FUND.
ON THAT MOTION ARE WE AGREED?
OPPOSED?

04:50:52.453,04:50:57.993
CARRIED.
THANK YOU.
THAT TAKES US TO 8.1.3 IN YOUR

04:50:57.995,04:51:04.876
AGENDA WHICH IS THE REPORT
THAT WAS CIRCULATED A LITTLE
BIT EARLIER, C 2011-38 APRIL

04:51:04.878,04:51:09.013
TRAIL UNDERPASS CAPITAL
PROGRAM UPDATE.
THIS IS BASICALLY AN UPDATE ON

04:51:09.015,04:51:13.815
HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT
TO DATE ON THIS PROJECT.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON YOU ARE

04:51:13.817,04:51:17.444
MOVING THIS?
>> YES.
YOUR WORSHIP I WOULD LIKE TO

04:51:17.446,04:51:23.557
MOVE IT.
ALSO LIKE TO ASK YOU THE ONE
THAT’S IN CAMERA, 41, THAT ONE

04:51:23.559,04:51:28.162
IS NOW CIRCULATED, AND IT’S
UNRESTRICTED.
IT’S NOT MARKED CONFIDENTIAL.

04:51:28.164,04:51:32.763
CAN WE PASS IT TOO?
>> I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THAT
AFTER THE IN CAMERA

04:51:32.765,04:51:35.961
DISCUSSION.
I WOULD ASK PERMISSION.
>> MOVE THIS ONE FOR NOW.

04:51:35.963,04:51:40.665
>> THANK YOU.
>> DOESN’T REALLY MATTER.
SINCE WE’LL HAVE A DISCUSSION.

04:51:40.667,04:51:44.381
I NEED A SECONDER.
ALDERMAN JONES.
SORRY.

04:51:44.383,04:51:49.187
Mr. LOGAN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS REPORT?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THANK YOU.

04:51:49.189,04:51:55.499
THIS REPORT IS INTENDED TO DO
TWO THINGS, YOUR WORSHIP.
FIRST OFF, ADVISE YOU OF WHERE

04:51:55.501,04:51:59.274
WE ARE AT WITH THE
EXPENDITURES ON THE
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS

04:51:59.276,04:52:06.838
WHICH WE HAD SET UP AS
BUDGET –
SORRY GOT THE BUDGET 686.

04:52:06.840,04:52:16.379
WE ARE TO DATE, 225-750 ON AN
APPROVED BUDGET.
THAT IS LARGELY RELATED TO

04:52:16.381,04:52:22.019
CONSULTING FEES OF DELOITTE
TOUCHE TO DO THE MARKET
SOUNDING ON P-3, GEOTECH WORK

04:52:22.021,04:52:30.829
TO ASCERTAIN THE FEASIBILITY
OF MINING OUT THE ROCK AND
WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE –

04:52:30.831,04:52:36.871
IN MINING, AND FUNCTIONAL
PLANNING STUDY TO LOOK AT THE
ROAD WE –

04:52:36.873,04:52:40.182
ROADWAY DESIGNS.
SALARY AND WAGE RELATES TO A
TEST THAT WE BROUGHT ON.

04:52:40.184,04:52:45.586
CONTRACTED SERVICES HAS TO DO
WITH EXTERNAL LEGAL ADVICE.
AND EXTERNAL LAND EVALUATION.

04:52:45.588,04:52:52.170
AND FINALLY THE BUSINESS
EXPENSE IS LARGELY RELATED TO
A TRIP TO OTTAWA THAT SEVERAL

04:52:52.172,04:52:58.209
STAFF MEMBERS TOOK TO MEET
WITH TRANSPORT CANADA AND
PRESENT THE REPORT TO THEM.

04:52:58.211,04:53:02.946
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON
THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
RESPOND TO THAT.

04:53:02.948,04:53:09.356
PROGRAM 855 IS THE CAPITAL
BUDGET RELATED TO MOVING
FORWARD ON THE ACTUAL

04:53:09.358,04:53:14.693
CONSTRUCTION IN SUPPORT OF
THAT, WHILST WE DO THE
AGREEMENT YOUR WORSHIP, WE

04:53:14.695,04:53:25.068
HAVE ENGAGED THE SERVICES OF
CH2 M HILL AND PCL TO WORK
WITH US ON THE DETAILED

04:53:25.070,04:53:26.566
DESIGN.
CONSULTANTS IS PCL ON THE
DETAIL DESIGN.

04:53:26.568,04:53:31.371
CONTRACT SERVICES IS FOR THE
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
AND INTERNAL SERVICES RELATES

04:53:31.373,04:53:37.575
TO SURVEY WORK AND SOME
OVERHEADWORK FROM THE PROJECT
MANAGEMENT OFFICE, YOUR

04:53:37.577,04:53:44.275
WORSHIP.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: GREAT.
Mr. LOGAN, I SEE ALDERMAN

04:53:44.277,04:53:47.242
CARRA’S LIGHT IS ON.
I WILL RECOGNIZE HIM IN A
SECOND.

04:53:47.244,04:53:52.777
IF GOD FOREBID WE CANCEL THIS
PROJECT SIX WEEKS FROM NOW
WHAT WOULD YOUR ESTIMATE BE

04:53:52.779,04:53:56.046
FOR HOW MUCH WE WOULD HAVE
EXPENDSED?
>> AT THE CURRENT BURN RATE,

04:53:56.048,04:54:05.652
YOUR WORSHIP, I WOULD SUGGEST
THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY END UP
SPENDING ABOUT ANOTHER

04:54:05.654,04:54:08.224
$400.000.
>> A MILLION BUCKS IN ROUGH
NUMBERS.

04:54:08.226,04:54:15.295
>> ABOUT 950.000 OR A MILLION.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA?

04:54:15.297,04:54:20.000
>> JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT
THE TRIPLE BOTTOM LINE
REPORTING BECAUSE I LIKE TO DO

04:54:20.002,04:54:22.872
THAT FROM TIME TO TIME.
>> ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD,
ALDERMAN CARRA.

04:54:22.874,04:54:27.006
ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD.
>> SOCIAL OBJECTIVES
MOTIVATING THE CITY INCLUDE

04:54:27.008,04:54:30.847
THE POSITIVE IMPACT
CONSTRUCTION UNDERPASS WOULD
HAVE ON AIRPORT EMPLOYEES

04:54:30.849,04:54:34.519
LIVING IN NORTHEAST AND
PROVISION OF ROUTE CHOICE,
UNDERPASS THOSE TRAVELLING –

04:54:34.521,04:54:39.788
>> ALDERMAN CARRA, YOU ARE ON
THE WRONG REPORT, SIR.
>> MY APOLOGIES.

04:54:39.790,04:54:44.594
>> WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT
ONE.
>> OKAY.

04:54:44.596,04:54:48.702
>> 38 IS THE ONE THAT’S ON THE
FLOOR.
>> I WILL RESPECTFULLY SIT

04:54:48.704,04:54:51.803
DOWN THEN.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:
HOWEVER, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

04:54:51.805,04:54:54.742
YOU WERE GOING TO SAY AND I
THOUGHT THE SAME THING AND
WE’LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK

04:54:54.744,04:54:58.716
ABOUT IT LATER.
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ONE?

04:54:58.718,04:55:02.916
ALL RIGHT, ON THE
RECOMMENDATION THEN TO ACCEPT
THIS REPORT FOR INFORMATION,

04:55:02.918,04:55:06.221
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

04:55:06.223,04:55:18.226
THAT TAKES US NOW TO ITEM
8.1.4 ON YOUR AGENDA.
E 2011-02 ARP DEFERRAL

04:55:18.228,04:55:21.922
REQUEST.
ALDERMAN MAR ARE YOU MOVING
THIS ONE.

04:55:21.924,04:55:25.597
THANK YOU.
DO I HAVE A SECONDER.
THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

04:55:25.599,04:55:29.138
ALDERMAN MAR, ANYTHING ON THIS
ONE.
ANY DISCUSSION.

04:55:29.140,04:55:33.144
ON THE DEFERRAL REQUEST THEN
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

04:55:33.146,04:55:41.820
CARRIED.
REPORTS 8.2.1, REPORT FROM THE
SPC ON CPS.

04:55:41.822,04:55:47.728
ALDERMAN MAR?
>> THANK YOU.
WELL, WE HAD A VERY

04:55:47.730,04:55:52.604
INTERESTING DAY AT COMMUNITY
PROTECTIVE SERVICES WHEN WE
WERE DISCUSSING THE OVERALL

04:55:52.606,04:55:56.876
PLANS FOR REINVESTING IN
CALGARY, REINVESTING IN OUR
COMMUNITY.

04:55:56.878,04:56:04.180
AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, WE VOTED
OVERWHELMINGLY TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH A PLAN FOR $42 MILLION

04:56:04.182,04:56:13.824
PER YEAR TO INVEST BACK IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
SO I’M VERY PLEASED THAT

04:56:13.826,04:56:23.566
COMMITTEE CHOSE TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS, AND TO
ELIMINATE AS PART OF THE

04:56:23.568,04:56:31.140
COMMUNITY CONSULTATION PROCESS,
AND AFTER HEARING FROM ALL OF
THE SPEAKERS THAT CAME TO

04:56:31.142,04:56:36.271
COMMITTEE, THAT WE WERE GOING
TO JUST MOVE FORWARD ON OUR
CRYPTS AND OUR PROCESS.

04:56:36.273,04:56:43.576
NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
CLIP PROCESS BECAUSE WE DID
NOT HEAR ANY PERSONS IN

04:56:43.578,04:56:52.015
COMMITTEE ASKING US TO INVEST
IN CORPORATE PROPERTIES AND IN
OUR OWN OFFICE BUILDINGS BUT

04:56:52.017,04:56:58.852
RATHER LOOKING FOR US TO MOVE
FORWARD ON THINGS LIKE THIS
THE ZOO, THINGS LIKE

04:56:58.854,04:57:03.488
RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN THE
SOUTHEAST AND NORTHWEST.
UPGRADING LIFE CYCLE

04:57:03.490,04:57:11.101
MAINTENANCE TO THE COMMUNITY
POOL AND THE NEW PROPOSED
DOWNTOWN LAW LIBRARY.

04:57:11.103,04:57:16.668
I’M VERY PLEASED THAT WE MADE
THIS DECISION, YOUR WORSHIP.
AND HAPPY TO MOVE THE

04:57:16.670,04:57:18.900
RECOMMENDATION OFF TO
COMMITTEE.
>> ALDERMAN KEATING IS

04:57:18.902,04:57:24.398
SECONDING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?

04:57:24.400,04:57:34.184
>> YOUR WORSHIP, FIRST OF ALL,
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR
OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT

04:57:34.186,04:57:40.057
IT WAS WITHIN THE COMMITTEE’S
AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY CHANGE
COUNCIL’S DIRECTION.

04:57:40.059,04:57:46.962
COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY GIVEN
DIRECTION TO ALLOCATE MONEY
WITHIN THREE ENVELOPES.

04:57:46.964,04:57:53.830
SO COUNCIL VOTED ON THOSE
THREE ENVELOPES, AND WHETHER
OR NOT THE COMMITTEE CHOSE TO

04:57:53.832,04:57:58.236
ALLOCATE ZERO DOLLARS TO A
PARTICULAR ENVELOPE, CERTAINLY
IF MY OPINION WAS WITHIN THE

04:57:58.238,04:58:04.946
PURVIEW OF COMMITTEE.
BUT TO ELIMINATE AN ENVELOPE
ALL TOGETHER, I DON’T THINK IN

04:58:04.948,04:58:09.416
MY OPINION, IT WAS WITHIN THE
AUTHORITY OF THE COMMITTEE
BECAUSE COUNCIL HAD GIVEN

04:58:09.418,04:58:12.221
DIRECTION.
HERE ARE THE ENVELOPES.
YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU WANT

04:58:12.223,04:58:15.961
TO PUT IN EACH ENVELOPE.
AND COMMITTEE CHOSE TO
ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE

04:58:15.963,04:58:21.228
ENVELOPES.
NOW GRANTED WASN’T LISTED AS
CLIPS WHEN COUNCIL GAVE

04:58:21.230,04:58:25.194
DIRECTION, OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THERE IS A
PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT I

04:58:25.196,04:58:32.241
THINK WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT
THE CITY OF CALGARY AND IF I
WERE TO BE ASKED WHICH PIECE

04:58:32.243,04:58:38.784
OF MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE DO
I THINK WE SHOULD INVEST IN, I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO SAY

04:58:38.786,04:58:43.827
PROBABLY ANDREW DAVIDSON
BUILDING WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE
TO INVEST THE MONEY BECAUSE

04:58:43.829,04:58:48.823
IT’S NO POINT IN HAVING A
BUILDING IF WE CAN’T ACTUALLY
PUT PEOPLE IN IT.

04:58:48.825,04:58:52.493
AND WE CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE
THAT MECHANISM.
AND I WAS ASKED BY THE

04:58:52.495,04:58:57.095
CHAIRMAN IF I WAS PREPARED TO
PUT FORWARD A PARTICULAR
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, AND

04:58:57.097,04:59:00.367
WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT
PARTICULAR PIECE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE.

04:59:00.369,04:59:06.614
BECAUSE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS
FROM THE CITY OF CALGARY TO
NOT HAVE –

04:59:06.616,04:59:13.730
TO ENTER INTO LEASE AGREEMENTS,
TO ACCOMMODATE STAFF THAT
COULD POTENTIALLY PUT INTO THE

04:59:13.732,04:59:19.968
ANDREW DAVIDSON BUILDING COULD
CERTAINLY HAVE SIGNIFICANT
COST SAVING.

04:59:19.970,04:59:23.906
HAVING SAID THAT, I GUESS I’M
AT YOUR DISCRETION IN
ACCORDANCE WITH TO WHETHER OR

04:59:23.908,04:59:34.301
NOT –
WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

04:59:34.303,04:59:41.709
THE CONFUSING PART ABOUT WHAT
THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY
APPROVED WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT

04:59:41.711,04:59:46.248
SAID –
WHERE IS IT HERE –
THAT THE COMMUNITY AND PROTECT

04:59:46.250,04:59:50.446
SERVICES ALLOCATE THE FUNDS,
AND OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE EXCLUDING

04:59:50.448,04:59:52.919
TRANSPORTATION.
HOWEVER, WHAT WAS BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE WAS SOMETHING THAT

04:59:52.921,04:59:59.219
WAS QUITE DIFFERENT.
AND SO THE CHALLENGE HERE IS
WE HAVE –

04:59:59.221,05:00:05.924
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PROBLEM
BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT A GAP
BETWEEN WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED

05:00:05.926,05:00:11.631
AND WHAT WENT TO COMMITTEE.
NOW COMMITTEE IS WELL WITHIN
ITS RIGHTS I THINK TO AMEND

05:00:11.633,05:00:15.264
THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO
COUNCIL AND THAT’S REALLY WHAT
WE ARE DEBATING NOW.

05:00:15.266,05:00:19.438
THE CHALLENGE I’M HAVING IS A
LITTLE BIT AROUND THE ORIGINAL
GAP BETWEEN WHAT COUNCIL

05:00:19.440,05:00:23.222
APPROVED AND THE WORDING THAT
WENT TO COMMITTEE.
SO THAT SAID, I THINK I’M

05:00:23.224,05:00:26.583
GOING TO ALLOW THE MOTION THE
WAY IT IS GIVEN THAT COMMITTEE
HAS BROUGHT IT BACK TO

05:00:26.585,05:00:30.852
COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, SIR, IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO AMEND THE

05:00:30.854,05:00:36.390
RECOMMENDATION TO BETTER
REFLECT YOUR VIEW OF WHAT
COUNCIL APPROVED ON MARCH 21st

05:00:36.392,05:00:41.498
YOU ARE VERY WELCOME TO DO SO.
>> IF I COULD THEN YOUR
WORSHIP I WOULD LIKE TO PUT

05:00:41.500,05:00:47.280
FORWARD THE LOSS
RECOMMENDATION WHICH WAS TO
ADD BACK IN MUNICIPAL

05:00:47.282,05:00:52.954
INFRASTRUCTURE FEES AND NOT
CLIPS SPECIFICALLY.
COUNCIL DID NOT GIVE DIRECTION

05:00:52.956,05:01:01.802
TO COMMITTEE TO ASSESS.
IT SIMPLY GAVE DIRECTION TO
APPROVE AND OTHER MUNICIPAL

05:01:01.804,05:01:06.075
INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT THAT I
TRIED TO PUT FORWARD IN

05:01:06.077,05:01:12.412
COMMITTEE TO SORT OF REDUCE
THAT COMPONENT BACK INTO THE
MOTION WHICH AGAIN STILL

05:01:12.414,05:01:17.513
DOESN’T ALLOCATE A SPECIFIC
AMOUNT TO IT AND IT DOESN’T
DEDICATE IT TOWARDS A

05:01:17.515,05:01:24.423
PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IT SIMPLY REDUCES THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REINVEST

05:01:24.425,05:01:28.257
BACK INTO OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> SO YOU ARE SUGGESTING THEN

05:01:28.259,05:01:39.694
AN AMENDMENT TO RECOMMENDATION
1A FROM THE COMMITTEE TO ADD
IN THE WORDS AFTER KRIP AND

05:01:39.696,05:01:44.700
ERIPLIS ATTACHMENT 2, AND
OTHER MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE
EXCLUDING TRANSPORTATION.

05:01:44.702,05:01:49.107
>> CORRECT.
>> DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR
THAT?

05:01:49.109,05:01:55.353
>> YES.
>> I WILL SAY THAT ALDERMAN
STEVENSON SECONDED IT 3.

05:01:55.355,05:02:01.838
>> ON A POINT OF ORDER, WE HAD
THIS SEMANTIC DEVELOPMENT AT
COMMITTEE.

05:02:01.840,05:02:09.376
WE WERE DISCUSSING AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS THE
INTENT OF COUNCIL.

05:02:09.378,05:02:15.938
NOW IF YOU READ THE
RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT
IT’S THAT WE AGREED THAT WE

05:02:15.940,05:02:23.318
WERE GOING TO SPEND $42
MILLION ANNUALLY AND THAT THE
SPC ON COMMUNITY PROTECTIVE

05:02:23.320,05:02:29.698
SERVICES BE DIRECTED WHICH I
TOOK AS HAVING THE AUTHORITY
TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS ACROSS

05:02:29.700,05:02:35.170
THE CRIPS LIST, THE LIST AND
OTHER MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE
EXCLUDING TRANSPORTATION.

05:02:35.172,05:02:42.735
NOW WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT
COMMITTEE WHERE WE HEARD FROM
THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC WAS

05:02:42.737,05:02:52.210
SUPPORTIVE OF THE CRIPS LIST,
SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIST, THERE
WAS NO MENTION OF THE CLIPS

05:02:52.212,05:02:55.807
LIST.
NOW THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
THAT ALDERMAN CHABOT EVEN

05:02:55.809,05:03:01.077
MENTIONED THE ANDREW DAVIDSON
BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH SIX
TIMES I REQUESTED HIM TO BRING

05:03:01.079,05:03:07.409
UP THE BUILDING IN QUESTION
THAT HE WANTED TO AT COMMITTEE
WHERE WE COULD HAVE EASILY

05:03:07.411,05:03:13.088
AMENDED IT.
>> ON A POINT OF ORDER, YOUR
WORSHIP.

05:03:13.090,05:03:17.084
>> SO I’M NOT DEBATING.
JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE
RATIONAL AS TO WHY THE

05:03:17.086,05:03:21.332
COMMITTEE DID WHAT IT DID.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THIS
IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT.

05:03:21.334,05:03:26.194
KEEP GOING.
>> AND THIS WAS A COMMITTEE AS
I SAID, A COMMITTEE DECISION.

05:03:26.196,05:03:32.968
WHEN ALDERMAN CHABOT ATTEMPTED
TO SUGGEST THE OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS WE

05:03:32.970,05:03:40.043
FOUND TOO VAGUE, AND NOT
EXPRESSIVE ENOUGH TO GIVE
DIRECTION TO ADMINISTRATION,

05:03:40.045,05:03:45.918
WHEREAS THE CLIPS LIST AND
ERIPS LIST IS SOMETHING THAT
HAS A RATHER SUBSTANTIAL

05:03:45.920,05:03:51.120
BOOKLET ASSOCIATED WITH IT
THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING FOR
MANY YEARS AND SO IN DEFENSE

05:03:51.122,05:03:56.796
OF THE COMMITTEE AND CERTAINLY
WE APPRECIATE WHAT ALDERMAN
CHABOT WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT

05:03:56.798,05:04:03.266
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND IT
WAS PRESENTED SEVERAL TIMES,
YOUR WORSHIP.

05:04:03.268,05:04:06.603
SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
COMMITTEE.

05:04:06.605,05:04:10.809
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: HERE
IT IS AGAIN BEING RECOMMENDED.
SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE AN

05:04:10.811,05:04:14.450
AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE.
BOY, THAT COMMITTEE MEETING
SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS A LOT OF

05:04:14.452,05:04:19.662
FUN.
I THINK ALDERMAN CHABOT, GIVEN
THAT HE STOOD UP ON A APPOINT

05:04:19.664,05:04:22.385
OF ORDER.
I DON’T THINK YOU WERE DONE.
I WILL GIVE YOU BACK THE

05:04:22.387,05:04:27.061
FLOOR.
>> WAITING TO HEAR WHAT POINT
OF ORDER HE IS RISING ON.

05:04:27.063,05:04:30.526
HAVING SAID THAT.
>> NOW ON THE FLOOR.
SECONDED BY ALDERMAN

05:04:30.528,05:04:35.903
STEVENSON.
>> THANK YOU.
>> SO AS I INDICATED THERE IS

05:04:35.905,05:04:40.137
IN COMMITTEE –
THE REASON THAT I DIDN’T PUT
FORWARD SPECIFICALLY THE

05:04:40.139,05:04:46.541
ANDREW DAVIDSON BUILDING,
ALTHOUGH IT WAS DISCUSSED VERY
BRIEFLY, IS BECAUSE I WANTED

05:04:46.543,05:04:51.217
AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS
FURTHER WITH ADMINISTRATION.
AND I INDICATED THAT AT THAT

05:04:51.219,05:04:54.857
TIME.
THAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO MY
DUE DILIGENCE.

05:04:54.859,05:05:02.435
DISCUSS WITH ADMINISTRATION ON
WHERE THEY FELT IT WOULD BE
BEST TO INVEST SOME MONEY INTO

05:05:02.437,05:05:06.402
WHICH PIECE OF MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.
HAVING DONE THAT, THERE MAY BE

05:05:06.404,05:05:12.242
SOME HIGHER PRIORITY PIECES OF
OTHER MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE
THAN THE ANDREW DAVIDSON

05:05:12.244,05:05:19.108
BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THEY AGREED THAT THAT
WOULD BE A VERY WORTHWHILE

05:05:19.110,05:05:22.237
PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO
INVEST IN.
MAY NOT BE THE HIGHEST

05:05:22.239,05:05:30.560
PRIORITY.
BUT WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO
ASSESS THEM ALL AND RATE THEM

05:05:30.562,05:05:36.601
TO DETERMINE WHERE THE HIGHEST
AND BEST USE OF THOSE MONIES
ARE, THEY FELT THAT IF THERE

05:05:36.603,05:05:42.299
WAS A PROJECT THAT WE WANTED
TO MOVE FORWARD, MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION TOWARDS, THAT

05:05:42.301,05:05:47.222
THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY
TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION
TO INVEST IN THE ANDREW

05:05:47.224,05:05:53.560
DAVIDSON BUILDING.
I’M FALLING SHORT OF ACTUALLY
SPECIFYING THAT BECAUSE I WANT

05:05:53.562,05:06:03.304
ADMINISTRATION, WHETHER IT BE
OUR GM OF COMMUNITY AND
PROTECTIVE SERVICES, AND OUR

05:06:03.306,05:06:10.484
GM Mr. BRAD STEVENS TO DISCUSS
HOW TO WORK OUT THE CASH FLOW
TO ADDRESS THE SPENT OF

05:06:10.486,05:06:16.286
COMMITTEE WHICH IS TO
PREDOMINANTLY INVEST IN IT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY

05:06:16.288,05:06:20.254
EVIDENT BASED ON THE
DISCUSSIONS AT COMMITTEE.
AND LOOK AT HOW CAN WE HELP TO

05:06:20.256,05:06:28.525
SUPPLEMENT THE –
THAT CORPORATE PROPERTIES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH TO ACHIEVING

05:06:28.527,05:06:32.330
SOME OF THE OTHER OBJECTIVES
AS IDENTIFIED.
MAYBE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL

05:06:32.332,05:06:35.839
DIRECTION FOR –
TOWARDS THE ANDREW DAVIDSON
BUILDING.

05:06:35.841,05:06:39.247
COUNCIL I HOPE YOU SUPPORT
THIS APPEAL.
IT MIRRORS THE INTENT OF

05:06:39.249,05:06:44.617
COUNCIL WHICH WAS VOTED ON BY
COUNCIL.
AND THE AMOUNT OF VOTES THAT

05:06:44.619,05:06:48.019
ACTUALLY CARRIED THE ORIGINAL
PROPOSAL, I’M NOT GOING TO
DEBATE.

05:06:48.021,05:06:54.353
AND NOR WILL I TRY AND
INFLUENCE WHAT SORT OF CASH
FLOW RECOMMENDATION IS GOING

05:06:54.355,05:06:59.691
TO GO TOWARDS WHICH PARTICULAR
ENVELOPE WHICH COUNCIL HAS
PREVIOUSLY GIVEN DIRECTION TO.

05:06:59.693,05:07:04.665
I WILL LOOK FORWARD THOUGH TO
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH IS
COMING BACK TO US AND AT WHICH

05:07:04.667,05:07:09.065
TIME WE CAN THEN FURTHER
DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK
THE ALLOCATION MIX, THE CASH

05:07:09.067,05:07:14.942
FLOW MIX IS APPROPRIATE OR
NOT.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANK

05:07:14.944,05:07:19.545
YOU ABALDERMAN CHABOT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY ALDERMAN
CARRA BUT I THINK YOU TURNED

05:07:19.547,05:07:23.084
YOUR LIGHT OFF.
ON THE AMENDMENT ALDERMAN
MacLEOD.

05:07:23.086,05:07:26.921
>> THANK YOU.
I WON’T BE LONG WITH MY
COMMENTS.

05:07:26.923,05:07:31.329
JUST THAT THIS WAS –
THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE WAS
ALSO PUT FORWARD AT COMMITTEE

05:07:31.331,05:07:38.138
AND THE COMMITTEE DID DEBATE
AND LOOK AT ALL OF WHAT WAS
PUT FORWARD, INCLUDING

05:07:38.140,05:07:45.814
MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT THAT
ERIPS AND THE KRIPS LIST WAS

05:07:45.816,05:07:50.714
THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
HIGHEST AND GREATEST PRIORITY
I THINK IS WHAT THE TERM THAT

05:07:50.716,05:07:58.660
WAS USED, AND I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE IT
CLEARLY KRIPS AND ELIPS IS A

05:07:58.662,05:08:04.443
RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMITTEE
AND I SUPPORT THAT.
>> JUST HAVING A LITTLE SIDE

05:08:04.445,05:08:09.813
BAR WITH THE CITY SOLICITOR ON
AN INTERESTING PROCEDURE ISSUE
THAT WE WALKED INTO IT HERE.

05:08:09.815,05:08:13.728
I STILL DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER.
ALDERMAN KEATING.
>> THANK YOU.

05:08:13.730,05:08:17.770
YOUR WORSHIP.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW
APPROVALS OF THIS MONEY WOULD

05:08:17.772,05:08:24.163
HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
I DON’T KNOW WHO TO ASK.
WOULD IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL?

05:08:24.165,05:08:30.770
WOULD IT GO TO COMMITTEE?
HOW WOULD IT BE DONE?
>> YOUR WORSHIP, AS PER THE

05:08:30.772,05:08:35.721
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT,
WE WERE GOING TO BRING FORWARD
THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR

05:08:35.723,05:08:40.826
ALLOCATION IN JUNE TO
COMMUNITY PROTECTIVE SERVICES
AND THEN OF COURSE THE FINAL

05:08:40.828,05:08:45.153
DECISION IS COUNCILS.
>> WOULD THAT BE AN ANNUAL
BASIS OR ONGOING BASIS?

05:08:45.155,05:08:48.992
I’M TALKING ABOUT IN THE
FUTURE.
>> TYPICALLY CAPITAL IS PUT

05:08:48.994,05:08:55.538
FORWARD ON A FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
AND SO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN
JUNE IS A FIVE-YEAR

05:08:55.540,05:09:00.312
RECOMMENDED ALLOCATION, AND
THEN A TEN YEAR LONG-TERM
PLAN.

05:09:00.314,05:09:04.805
BECAUSE YOU DON’T ALLOCATE
CAPITAL ON A ONE YEAR BASIS.
>> EXACTLY.

05:09:04.807,05:09:08.342
THAT’S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH
THE IDEA OF OTHER
INFRASTRUCTURE.

05:09:08.344,05:09:13.435
I NEVER MIND ALLOWING THE DOOR
TO BE OPEN IN CASE THERE IS A
REASON FOR IT.

05:09:13.437,05:09:16.942
AND –
BUT I WANTED TO KNOW HOW IT
WAS GOING TO BE DECIDED ON WHO

05:09:16.944,05:09:21.877
ACTUALLY MAKES THE APPROVAL SO
THAT WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, IF
IT DOES COME UP, WE HAVE THE

05:09:21.879,05:09:25.346
CHOICE TO EITHER NOT APPLY IT
TO OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE, AND STICK WITH

05:09:25.348,05:09:33.583
THE KRIPS AND ERIPS OR A
SCENARIO MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO
GO WITH OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE

05:09:33.585,05:09:37.646
MAYBE WE HAVE THAT CHOICE.
AS LONG AS THAT CHOICE IS
THERE AND COUNCIL HAS THE

05:09:37.648,05:09:41.718
ABILITY TO APPROVE IT.
ON THAT NOTE, I SEE IT GOING
WHERE WE STILL HAVE THE CHOICE

05:09:41.720,05:09:45.583
IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE IDENTIFYING THOSE TWO
AS OUR PRIORITY.

05:09:45.585,05:09:49.987
BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IF THERE IS
ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT
MIGHT BE OF A VALID REASON.

05:09:49.989,05:09:59.376
I WOULD SUPPORT THIS.
>> ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN

05:09:59.378,05:10:09.558
AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT.
OKAY, SO THE DEBATE, IF YOU
CAN CHARACTERIZE THE DEBATE AT

05:10:09.560,05:10:16.095
STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE, –
>> WAS THERE POPCORN.
WERE THERE CLOWNS?

05:10:16.097,05:10:19.431
>> I WOULD HAVE ENJOY
SPECTATING RATHER THAN
PARTICIPATING.

05:10:19.433,05:10:24.370
THAT’S ANOTHER THING.
I THINK THE POINT THAT
ALDERMAN CHABOT RAISES IS THAT

05:10:24.372,05:10:32.974
THERE COULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS ACROSS
THE CORPORATION IF WE WERE TO

05:10:32.976,05:10:38.014
YOU KNOW TAKE CONSOLIDATE A
COUPLE OF OPERATIONS INTO ONE
BUILDING AND THEN WE MIGHT BE

05:10:38.016,05:10:44.489
ABLE TO FIND $42 MILLION OR
MORE BY BEING A LITTLE BIT
SMARTER HOW WE DEPLOY

05:10:44.491,05:10:49.768
CORPORATE FORCES WHICH IS I
THINK AN IDEA THAT WE WANT TO
KEEP ON THE TABLE AND SO I

05:10:49.770,05:10:54.209
WILL –
I’M NOT –
I’M NOT AGAINST SUPPORTING

05:10:54.211,05:11:01.478
THIS BUT I WANT TO ADD THE
CAVEAT AS MY AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT THAT PROVIDED OTHER

05:11:01.480,05:11:07.955
MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE
OFFERS COST SAVINGS EQUAL TO
OR GREATER AND THAT THAT MONEY

05:11:07.957,05:11:13.826
IS TRANSFERRED INTO KRIPS AND
ERIPS.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA.

05:11:13.828,05:11:19.799
I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE
PUBLIC IS THAT THEY ARE
SEVERELY UNDERFUNDED AND WE

05:11:19.801,05:11:24.136
NEED TO PUT THAT FORWARD AS
SOMETHING THAT’S VERY
IMPORTANT FOR CALGARIANS AND

05:11:24.138,05:11:28.340
IS THERE ANY WAY TO WORD THAT
IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE SF
>> I ABSOLUTELY HEAR WHAT YOU

05:11:28.342,05:11:32.707
ARE SAYING AND FAR BE IT FOR
ME TO OFFER YOU ADVICE ON THE
FLOOR OF COUNCIL.

05:11:32.709,05:11:38.422
>> PLEASE DO.
>> I WOULD NEVER EVER DO THAT.
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT

05:11:38.424,05:11:44.601
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LANGUAGE
IN B BELOW, I FEEL WE CAN
TRUST THE COMMITTEE ON THIS

05:11:44.603,05:11:48.335
ONE.
THAT YOU KNOW IT IS AT
COMMUNITY PROTECT CIVIL

05:11:48.337,05:11:52.077
SERVICES FOR A REASON AND I
WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF
COMMUNITY AND PROTECTIVE

05:11:52.079,05:11:55.645
SERVICES AS A COMMITTEE WOULD
DECIDE THAT ALL OF THIS MONEY
WOULD GO TO –

05:11:55.647,05:11:58.877
HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL
TOO BY THE WAY.
THAT ALL OF THIS MONEY WOULD

05:11:58.879,05:12:07.679
GO TO RENOVATIONS TO COUNCIL
CHAMBERS OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.

05:12:07.681,05:12:11.614
SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE
TRUST THE COMMITTEE RATHER
THAN SHACKLING THE COMMITTEE

05:12:11.616,05:12:15.516
WITH THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE
BECAUSE THAT WOULD FORCE
ADMINISTRATION TO REALLY SHOW

05:12:15.518,05:12:19.989
THEN THE NUMBERS TO THE PENNY.
OF COURSE YOU ARE WELCOME TO
PUT IT.

05:12:19.991,05:12:24.290
>> YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE
SHOWING THE NUMBERS TO THE
PENNY IS A BAD IDEA, BUT I’M

05:12:24.292,05:12:31.162
COMFORTABLE WITH OFFSETTING
THAT I GUESS.
I WILL WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT

05:12:31.164,05:12:37.139
TO THE AMENDMENT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP
COUNCIL’S IN MIND THAT THAT

05:12:37.141,05:12:39.542
WAS THE DISCUSSION.
>> AND I THINK THAT’S
IMPORTANT.

05:12:39.544,05:12:47.080
AND I THINK COMMITTEE
UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE SORT
OF A PROCEDURAL ISSUE THAT I

05:12:47.082,05:12:53.023
WOULD BE VERY PLEASED TO SHARE
WITH YOU AT THIS TIME BECAUSE
WE LOVE THESE THINGS.

05:12:53.025,05:12:59.417
WE ARE ADDING BACK IN LANGUAGE
WHICH IS PRECISELY THE SAME
LANGUAGE THAT COUNCIL APPROVED

05:12:59.419,05:13:05.746
THE FIRST TIME.
IF THIS MOTION PASSES, IF THIS
AMENDMENT PASSES, NO PROBLEM.

05:13:05.748,05:13:11.255
IF THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, THEN
WE HAVE DE FACTO RECONSIDERED
A PREVIOUS DECISION OF

05:13:11.257,05:13:21.144
COUNCIL.
WE HAVE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A
CONUNDRUM HERE, FOLKS.

05:13:21.146,05:13:27.388
YOU NEED TWO-THIRDS.
SO WE HAVE HAD A LITTLE
DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, AND

05:13:27.390,05:13:33.852
MADAM CLERK LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS
AN OPINION ON THE MATTER HOW
BEST TO PROCEED.

05:13:33.854,05:13:39.627
>> IT’S ACTUALLY EASIER YOUR
WORSHIP IF YOU VOTE AND IT
PASSES, THEN YOU ARE FINE.

05:13:39.629,05:13:49.814
I WOULD NOT HAVE STOOD UP TO
MENTION THE RECONSIDERATION.
IF DIDN’T PASS I WOULD HAVE

05:13:49.816,05:13:56.682
SAID WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
>> IF IT FAILS DOES THAT MEAN
FAILS BY TWO-THIRDS OR GREATER

05:13:56.684,05:13:58.551
OTHERWISE IT HAS TO BE READ
IN.
>> NO.

05:13:58.553,05:14:04.525
>> LET’S GO TO A VOTE AND THEN
ONCE WE GET THERE AND IF, IN
FACT, IT DOES FAIL, THEN WE

05:14:04.527,05:14:07.898
HAVE AN INTERESTING SITUATION
IN FRONT OF US.
AND IT WILL BE FUN.

05:14:07.900,05:14:13.199
OKAY.
ALDERMAN MAR, I THINK YOU HAVE
SPOKEN ON THE AMENDMENT

05:14:13.201,05:14:19.652
ALREADY.
SO ALDERMAN PINCOTT?
>> THANK YOU.

05:14:19.654,05:14:30.370
I WILL DO MY BEST TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE LAND IN A CONUNDRUM.
I AM NOT GO BEING TO –

05:14:30.372,05:14:34.611
GOING TO SUPPORT THIS
AMENDMENT.
UPON CONSIDERATION AND

05:14:34.613,05:14:40.158
CERTAINLY HEARING FROM THE
PUBLIC AT COMMITTEE, I DON’T
THINK IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR US

05:14:40.160,05:14:48.002
TO LOOK AT SPENDING THESE
MONIES ON MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.

05:14:48.004,05:14:53.139
I THINK THAT –
THINK THAT THIS –
WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE

05:14:53.141,05:14:59.773
MONEY THAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT IS THAT IT IS FOR THE
FIRST TIME LOOKING AT

05:14:59.775,05:15:06.848
ESSENTIALLY SOCIAL CAPITAL
INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDING IT
FROM ESSENTIALLY FROM THE TAX

05:15:06.850,05:15:10.419
BASE FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND THAT’S VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT.

05:15:10.421,05:15:17.782
BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING
THOSE DIRECT TAXPAYER DOLLARS

05:15:17.784,05:15:22.124
TO INVEST BACK IN THE
COMMUNITIES FROM WHICH WE ARE
GETTING IT.

05:15:22.126,05:15:28.738
SO THAT WE SEE THE BENEFITS O
OF –
OF THE TAX ROOM THAT WAS

05:15:28.740,05:15:34.842
VACATED THAT WE –
THAT WE HAVE TAKEN AND SEE THE
BENEFITS BEING DIRECTLY IN THE

05:15:34.844,05:15:42.680
COMMUNITY.
AND THAT TO ME IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE ARE

05:15:42.682,05:15:48.716
TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND TO DILUTE THAT AND TO MOVE
IT INTO SAYING THAT WE COULD

05:15:48.718,05:15:55.465
USE SOME OF THAT –
SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR
UPGRADING BUILDINGS FOR CIVIC

05:15:55.467,05:16:03.471
EMPLOYEES, WHILE I AM
COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF
DOING –

05:16:03.473,05:16:07.204
MAKING SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES
HAVE THE BEST WORKPLACES THAT
WE CAN GIVE THEM TO WORK IN

05:16:07.206,05:16:12.308
AND THAT OUR BUILDINGS –
I RECOGNIZE THE COST SAVINGS
OF DOING ALL OF THAT WORK, AND

05:16:12.310,05:16:17.655
I SUPPORT IT COMPLETELY, I
JUST DON’T THINK THAT THIS
SOURCE OF MONEY IS THE

05:16:17.657,05:16:23.693
APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT.
SO IF THIS MONEY IS COMING
FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IT

05:16:23.695,05:16:27.535
IS, I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO
BACK TO THE COMMUNITY,
THEREFORE I WILL NOT BE

05:16:27.537,05:16:34.505
SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT TO
DILUTE THAT.
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN PINCOTT.

05:16:34.507,05:16:40.585
ON THE AMENDMENT, ALDERMAN
LOWE?
>> I FIND THE –

05:16:40.587,05:16:47.084
YOUR WORSHIP, I FIND THE
DISCUSSION ABOUT DILUTING THE
MONEY INTERESTING.

05:16:47.086,05:16:56.063
NOT ONLY INTERESTING.
I FOUND ALDERMAN CARRA’S
ALMOST MOTION ABOUT IF WE DID

05:16:56.065,05:17:02.302
THIS AND THERE WERE
OPERATIONAL SAVINGS ABOUT HOW
WE WOULD GET THAT BACK INTO

05:17:02.304,05:17:09.403
THE CAPITAL FOR FURTHER
COMMUNITY INVESTMENT, I FOUND
MORE INTERESTING.

05:17:09.405,05:17:18.353
AND I’M ACCEPTING THAT B
EFFECTIVELY GIVES US THAT SORT
OF CAPACITY.

05:17:18.355,05:17:23.856
I THINK BEARING IN MIND THAT
WHATEVER COMES TO COMMITTEE IN
JUNE WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL TO

05:17:23.858,05:17:32.641
PASS IT ITEM BY ITEM IN JUNE.
AND THAT OTHER MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE, EXCLUDING

05:17:32.643,05:17:37.308
TRANSPORTATION BROUGHT FORWARD,
WOULD BE SUBJECT TO
SIGNIFICANT SCRUTINY AT THAT

05:17:37.310,05:17:46.987
POINT IN TIME.
I’M GOING T SUPPORT IT NOW
BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY HAVE

05:17:46.989,05:17:49.925
A GOOD CHANCE TOE LOOK AT IT
IN JUNE.
THE QUESTION I HAVE BEEN

05:17:49.927,05:17:55.763
ACHING TO ASK AND I WILL ASK
IT NOW, WHAT’S ON THE TOP OF
THE CLIPS LIST?

05:17:55.765,05:18:04.662
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THE CLIPS
LIST IS JUST BEING DONE.
AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY

05:18:04.664,05:18:08.635
BUDGET CYCLE –
>> TOP OF THE LAST ONE?
>> I THINK IT’S RIGHT HERE.

05:18:08.637,05:18:14.680
I CAN’T REMEMBER Mr. TOBERT’S
GOT IT.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW.

05:18:14.682,05:18:19.251
CLIPS IS MADE UP OF 11
DIFFERENT BUSINESS UNITS AND
THE PROJECT THAT ALDERMAN

05:18:19.253,05:18:23.322
CHABOT IS TALKING ABOUT IS IN
CORPORATE PROPERTIES AND
BUILDINGS AFTER THE POLICE

05:18:23.324,05:18:29.396
VACATED ANDREW DAVIDSON.
THAT PORTION OF THE CLIPS
BUCKET HAS BEEN PRIORITIZED

05:18:29.398,05:18:37.550
AND THAT IS AT THE TOP OF THE
CORPORATE PROPERTIES LIST.
WHAT I CAN’T TELL YOU TODAY IS

05:18:37.552,05:18:43.055
FOR 2000123, 14 THE
PRIORITIZATION OF ALL OF THAT.
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.

05:18:43.057,05:18:47.495
THE FIRST ITEM THERE THERE WAS
A BUNCH OF THEM.
THERE WAS LEGISLATIVE ITEMS.

05:18:47.497,05:18:53.492
THERE WAS A FUEL TANK UPGRADE.
PCI CREDIT CARD ADJUSTMENT.
EAST CALGARY STORM WATER

05:18:53.494,05:18:55.867
MANAGEMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A
FINANCE PROJECT.

05:18:55.869,05:19:03.880
THERE WAS A STORM WATER –
LANDFILL PROJECT.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THEM

05:19:03.882,05:19:09.480
BECAUSE DIVERSITY OF PROJECTS
THAT COMES ACROSS THE LIST.
>> I GUESS YOUR WORSHIP, IN

05:19:09.482,05:19:15.619
JUNE WHEN WE GET TO LOOK AT IT,
I WOULD HOPE IF OTHER
MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE PUT

05:19:15.621,05:19:24.037
FORWARD DEFINITELY HAS A
FRONT-FACING ELEMENT THEN I
THINK WE COULD LOOK AT IT.

05:19:24.039,05:19:27.042
BUT AGAIN, COUNCIL, WE GET TO
CHOOSE.
THANK YOU.

05:19:27.044,05:19:36.120
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, ALDERMAN
LOWE, –
>> — APART IN SASKATCHEWAN.

05:19:36.122,05:19:40.677
>> IS THAT TRUE.
>> SUDDENLY I’M STARTING TO
LEARN –

05:19:40.679,05:19:45.619
ANYWAY, I WON’T GO THERE.
HAD A QUICK LEAN OVER WITH
Mr. TOBERT WHO CONFIRMED IT IS

05:19:45.621,05:19:50.731
CORRECT THAT THE COMMITTEE
WILL SEE THIS IN JUNE.
COUNCIL HOWEVER WILL DEAL WITH

05:19:50.733,05:19:55.738
IT IN NOVEMBER AS PART OF THE
CAPITAL BUDGET.
>> THAT’S TWICE THEN WE GET TO

05:19:55.740,05:19:58.304
LOOK AT IT.
ONCE AT COMMITTEE.
ONCE IN NOVEMBER.

05:19:58.306,05:20:01.975
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
I JUST HEARD YOU SAY COUNCIL
WILL SEE IT IN JUNE.

05:20:01.977,05:20:07.922
>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
OF COURSE, YOUR WORSHIP.
MY POINT IS THAT MY SUGGESTION

05:20:07.924,05:20:17.687
WOULD BE THAT IT BE FRONT
FACING, WHICH DEALS WITH
ALDERMAN PINCOTT’S PERCEPTION

05:20:17.689,05:20:23.730
ISSUE, WHICH IT IS VALID.
I’M NOT DEBATING IT.
COUNCIL GETS COMMITTEE ONCE,

05:20:23.732,05:20:30.174
COUNCIL ONCE GETS A GOOD KICK
AT IT.
THANK YOU.

05:20:30.176,05:20:37.818
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN LOWE.
ALDERMAN MAR, YOU SORT OF HAVE
HAD YOUR CHANCE ON THE

05:20:37.820,05:20:40.395
AMENDMENT.
BUT YOU DID RISE ON POINT OF
ORDER.

05:20:40.397,05:20:45.734
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING QUICK
I’M HAPPY TO TAKE IT NOW.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.

05:20:45.736,05:20:49.471
SO I’M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT
THIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT
WE WENT THROUGH AND HASHED OUR

05:20:49.473,05:20:57.304
WAY THROUGH THIS AT COMMITTEE.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND COUNCIL
TRYING TO SAY OTHER MUNICIPAL

05:20:57.306,05:21:00.582
INFRASTRUCTURE BUT THERE WAS
AT COMMITTEE ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING BROUGHT FORWARD.

05:21:00.584,05:21:07.322
NOT BY A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
NOT BY THE PUBLIC OTHER THAN
THE FACT WE UNDERSTOOD WE WANT

05:21:07.324,05:21:11.957
TODAY HAVE PUBLIC LIBRARY, WE
WANNED TO HAVE LIFE CYCLE
MAINTENANCE, WANT TODAY HAVE

05:21:11.959,05:21:15.851
FIRE HALLS, WANTED TO HAVE
THINGS THAT CALGARIANS COULD
ACTUALLY USE.

05:21:15.853,05:21:22.189
I DON’T SEE MYSELF EVER
SUPPORTING SOMETHING WHERE WE
WOULD GO TO THE CITIZENS AND

05:21:22.191,05:21:28.725
SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE
GOING TO USE THIS MONEY THAT
WE HAVE ADOPTED IN THE TAX

05:21:28.727,05:21:32.757
ROOM THAT WE SAID WE WERE
GOING TO USE FOR BUILDING
COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE BUT

05:21:32.759,05:21:35.188
INSTEAD WE ARE GOING TO
RENOVATE ONE OF OUR OFFICE
BUILDINGS.

05:21:35.190,05:21:42.537
I’M NOT UP FOR THAT.
AND I DON’T THINK YOU WERE
ELECTED TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF

05:21:42.539,05:21:47.276
DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT GOING
TO IMPACT THE DAY-TO-DAY LIVES
OF CALGARIANS.

05:21:47.278,05:21:51.442
SO WHILE I APPRECIATE WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF
ARE AS COMFORTABLE AS WE CAN

05:21:51.444,05:21:56.716
BE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE ARE AS EFFICIENT AS WE
CAN BE I’M NOT PREPARED TO

05:21:56.718,05:22:04.857
STAND UP HERE AND SAY WE AS
CITY OF CALGARY COUNCIL ARE
GOING TO INSTEAD RENOVATE AN

05:22:04.859,05:22:07.925
OFFICE BUILDING INSTEAD OF
BUILDING RECREATIONAL
FACILITIES FOR CALGARIANS.

05:22:07.927,05:22:13.138
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,
ALDERMAN MAR.

05:22:13.140,05:22:20.481
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
CLOSING ON THE AMENDMENT.
>> YES, THANK YOU, YOUR

05:22:20.483,05:22:27.749
WORSHIP.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT I’M TRYING TO
DO HERE IS SAVE THE CHAIRMAN

05:22:27.751,05:22:30.381
OF STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE
FOR HAVING TO VOTE ON A
RECONSIDERATION.

05:22:30.383,05:22:36.388
WHICH WILL REQUIRE TEN VOTES I
MIGHT ADD BECAUSE IT’S LESS
THAN SIX MONTHS THAT HAS GONE

05:22:36.390,05:22:42.121
BY THAT COUNCIL ORIGINALLY
MOVED THE RECOMMENDATION AND
YES IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED

05:22:42.123,05:22:47.394
BY RECONSIDERATION WOULD HAVE
TO BE MOVED BY SOMEBODY ON THE
PREVAILING SIDE.

05:22:47.396,05:22:51.739
SO THERE IS A WHOLE PLETHORA
ISSUES SOCIALED WITH THE
DECISION THAT WAS MADE AT

05:22:51.741,05:22:54.138
COMMITTEE.
AND I TRIED TO FIX IT AT
COMMITTEE.

05:22:54.140,05:22:57.781
JUST TO PUT THAT BACK IN
THERE.
IT FAILED.

05:22:57.783,05:23:02.735
BUT HERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
US TO FIX IT VERY BRIEFLY,
VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN ADDRESS

05:23:02.737,05:23:07.368
THE ISSUE OF HOW MUCH WE
ALLOCATE TO WHAT.
IN JUNE.

05:23:07.370,05:23:11.534
AS WAS INDICATED BEFORE.
WE DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH WE ARE
GOING TO ALLOCATE TO WHAT AND

05:23:11.536,05:23:17.039
WE HEARD THROUGH COMMITTEE
THAT THE BULK OF THE
INVESTMENT OF $42 MILLION A

05:23:17.041,05:23:24.451
YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
WE WANT TO SEE INVESTED IN THE
KRIPS AND ELIPS LIST.

05:23:24.453,05:23:29.258
I THINK ALL I NEED IS ABOUT $9
MILLION TOTAL.
THAT’S ASSUMING ALL FINANCED

05:23:29.260,05:23:33.400
THROUGH THIS.
BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE
HIGHEST PRIORITY.

05:23:33.402,05:23:38.768
THAT’S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL
CAN THEN DECIDE ON WHAT AMOUNT
OF MONEY WE ARE GOING TO

05:23:38.770,05:23:45.647
ALLOCATE TO WHAT IN JUNE.
AND SO IF YOU VOTE AGAINST
THIS JUST GOT TO REMEMBER THAT

05:23:45.649,05:23:49.551
THE FOLLOWING ITEM THAT’S
GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU IS
GOING TO BE A MOTION TO

05:23:49.553,05:23:54.883
RECONSIDER COUNCIL’S PREVIOUS
DIRECTION WHICH THEN SOMEBODY
ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OF THE

05:23:54.885,05:24:00.358
ORIGINAL MOTION WILL HAVE TO
MOVE, RECONSIDERATION, WHICH
WILL REQUIRE TEN VOTES.

05:24:00.360,05:24:05.794
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, ALDERMAN
CHABOT, EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS
RIGHT EXCEPT FOR THE ON THE

05:24:05.796,05:24:08.033
PREVAILING SIDE.
THAT’S ONLY AT THE SAME
MEETING.

05:24:08.035,05:24:12.232
>> CORRECT.
THAT’S RIGHT.
SORRY FOR THAT.

05:24:12.234,05:24:16.011
MY APOLOGIES.
I STAND CORRECTED ON THAT.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:24:16.013,05:24:21.751
>> THANK YOU.
ON THE AMENDMENT AS YOU SEE
BEFORE YOU WHICH IS TO ADD THE

05:24:21.753,05:24:25.649
WORDS IN BOLD FACE ARE WE
AGREED?
OPPOSED?

05:24:25.651,05:24:32.122
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?
>> NO.

05:24:32.124,05:24:36.630
>> ALDERMAN MAR?
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN PINCOTT?

05:24:36.632,05:24:41.870
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS.
ALDERMAN STEVENSON?

05:24:41.872,05:24:48.099
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> SURE.
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?

05:24:48.101,05:24:50.608
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART.
>> NO.
>> ALDERMAN DEMONG.

05:24:50.610,05:24:54.081
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN HODGES?
>> NO.

05:24:54.083,05:24:58.308
>> ALDERMAN JONES?
ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> YES.

05:24:58.310,05:25:01.371
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YES.
MAYOR NENSHI?

05:25:01.373,05:25:10.381
>> YES.
IT’S CARRIED, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK GOD.

05:25:10.383,05:25:16.258
>> MAY MAKE IT OUT OF HERE BY
SUPPER AFTER ALL.
NOT THAT THAT’S THE ISSUE IN

05:25:16.260,05:25:18.123
ANY WAY.
NOW WE GOT THIS MOTION AS
AMENDED.

05:25:18.125,05:25:21.825
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE
MOTION AS AMENDED.
ALDERMAN MacLEOD?

05:25:21.827,05:25:27.273
>> I’M STILL BAFFLED.
SEEMS TO BE A THEME FOR ME
TODAY.

05:25:27.275,05:25:32.034
>> MY THEME EVERY DAY.
>> OKAY.
SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.

05:25:32.036,05:25:37.099
WE HAVE GOT THE $42 MILLION.
SENT IT TO SPC ON COMMUNITY
AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES TO

05:25:37.101,05:25:41.904
ALLOCATE THE FUNDS.
COMMUNITY AND PROTECTIVE
SERVICES SAYS WE’LL ALLOCATE

05:25:41.906,05:25:47.842
THEM ON KRIPS AND ERIPS NOT
THE OTHER STUFF.
ADD BACK IN THE OTHER STUFF.

05:25:47.844,05:25:51.447
AND NOW WE ARE GOING BACK TO
ALLOCATE IT AGAIN?
>> I CAN HELP ON THIS ONE I

05:25:51.449,05:25:55.986
THINK.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE TOLD

05:25:55.988,05:26:03.130
THE COMMITTEE AS COUNCIL GO
AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO
ALLOCATE THIS ACROSS THESE

05:26:03.132,05:26:05.801
THREE BUCKETS.
THE COMMITTEE TOOK LOTS OF
PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS.

05:26:05.803,05:26:09.604
BUT THEN IT HAS TO DO WITH THE
WORDING, RIGHT.
IT THEN DIRECTED

05:26:09.606,05:26:16.745
ADMINISTRATION TO GO AND BRING
FORTH A LIST IN JUNE FROM
THESE TWO LISTS BUT NOT FROM

05:26:16.747,05:26:21.717
THE THIRD ONE.
IF COMMITTEE HAD JUST DECIDED
NOT TO FUND ANYTHING ON THE

05:26:21.719,05:26:24.588
THIRD LIST WE WOULD HAVE BEEN
FINE.
BY MAKING THAT DIRECTION TO

05:26:24.590,05:26:30.595
ADMINISTRATION THE ARGUMENT
THEY WERE MAKING A DE FACTO
CHANGE TO DIRECTION THAT

05:26:30.597,05:26:36.572
COUNCIL GAVE TO THE COMMITTEE.
ONE STEP IN ADVANCE.
WHERE WE ARE NOW SAYING TO

05:26:36.574,05:26:39.277
ADMINISTRATION GO BACK AND
GIVE US THE LIST.
ALLOWING ADMINISTRATION SHOULD

05:26:39.279,05:26:45.851
THEY SO DESIRE IN THEIR
ANALYSIS TO ADD THINGS TO THE
LIST OUTSIDE OF THE CRIPS AND

05:26:45.853,05:26:50.756
ERIPS AND COMMITTEE GETS TO
DECIDE WHETHER TO FUND,
COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER

05:26:50.758,05:26:54.756
TO APPROVE THAT CAPITAL
BUDGET.
>> I’M NOT GOING TO BELABOUR

05:26:54.758,05:26:58.958
THIS.
SEEMS THE RECOMMENDS FROM THE
COMMITTEE, WE HAD THE KRIPS

05:26:58.960,05:27:07.529
AND ERIPS LIST, WE HAD THE
LIST WHICH WAS OUTDATED.
THE MOTION SAYS THE HIGH

05:27:07.531,05:27:10.934
PRIORITY PROJECTS ARE THE ONES
THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING BE
FUNDED.

05:27:10.936,05:27:14.641
THOSE WOULD BE THE TOP ONES ON
THE LIST.
I GUESS IT HAS TO GO BACK TO

05:27:14.643,05:27:19.848
SEE IF THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT
WE WANT TO FUND.
>> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT

05:27:19.850,05:27:26.148
BECAUSE WHAT COMMITTEE WAS
ASKING ADMINISTRATION TO DO
WAS NOT JUST TO BRING BACK THE

05:27:26.150,05:27:30.389
TOP PRIORITIES ONE, TWO, THREE
AND YOU WOULD FUND ONE, TWO,
THREE.

05:27:30.391,05:27:34.957
PRESUMABLY AND IF I KNOW THE
DOCTOR AND Mr. STEPHENS THEY
WILL HAVE INTERESTING

05:27:34.959,05:27:40.262
COMBINATIONS FOR YOU TO
CONSIDER IN TERMS OF
IMPLICATIONS FOR FUTURE YEAR

05:27:40.264,05:27:45.089
FUNDING.
BY ADOPTING THIS AMENDMENT AND
PRESUMING THAT WE ADOPT THE

05:27:45.091,05:27:48.392
OVERALL RECOMMENDATION WE ARE
ADDING MORE TO THE MIX IN
TERMS OF WHAT THEY CAN BRING

05:27:48.394,05:27:51.561
FORWARD.
THAT’S REALLY IS.
>> SO WE ARE GOING TO ANOTHER

05:27:51.563,05:27:57.036
PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
>> IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO EVEN
UNDER THE COMMITTEE’S ORIGINAL

05:27:57.038,05:27:59.638
RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT WAS
GOING TO COME BACK TO
COMMITTEE IN JUNE.

05:27:59.640,05:28:04.668
>> THANK YOU.
>> I WAS QUITE HONESTLY A BIT
SURPRISED THAT THE COMMITTEE

05:28:04.670,05:28:07.704
ENTERTAINED ALL OF THESE
SUBMISSIONS FROM THE PUBLIC AT
THIS MEETING RATHER THAN AT

05:28:07.706,05:28:11.679
THE MEETING IN JUNE BUT THAT
WAS JUST MY THINKING.
YOU GOT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE

05:28:11.681,05:28:17.024
PUBLIC ANYWAY.
SO …
ALDERMAN CARRA?

05:28:17.026,05:28:21.892
>> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE
THE POINT THAT WHAT WE HEARD
AT COMMITTEE WAS NOT JUST

05:28:21.894,05:28:30.330
KRIPS AND ERIPS BUT ALSO THE
IMPORTANCE OF FINDING ONE OR
TWO BIG SHINEY IMPORTANT

05:28:30.332,05:28:37.195
THINGS LIKE A CENTRAL LIBRARY.
YEAH, BUT I KNOW AND I KNOW
WE’LL BE DECIDING IN JUNE.

05:28:37.197,05:28:42.097
JUST SHARING WITH THE REST OF
COUNCIL THIS IS REALLY ABOUT
SHOWING THE CITIZENS OF

05:28:42.099,05:28:47.541
CALGARY THAT IF WE ARE TAKING
SOME TAX ROOM RATHER THAN
REFUNDING IT BACK TO THE

05:28:47.543,05:28:53.521
CITIZENS, THAT THEY ARE
ACTUALLY GETTING VALUE FOR
DOLLARS AND CAN’T FRITTER AWAY

05:28:53.523,05:28:57.189
ON IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY
MAINTENANCE BUT INVISIBLE
MAINTENANCE.

05:28:57.191,05:29:01.991
THAT’S JUST SOMETHING THAT
CAME OUT THAT WE SHOULD KEEP
IN MIND AS WE MOVE INTO JUNE.

05:29:01.993,05:29:07.801
>> THANKS, ALDERMAN CARRA.
ALDERMAN CHABOT, YOU HAVE
ALREADY HAD THE FLOOR ON THIS.

05:29:07.803,05:29:13.513
OKAY, GO.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
WANTED TO SAY VERY BRIEFLY, 42

05:29:13.515,05:29:17.405
MILLION IS NOT REALLY GOING TO
BUY US A LOT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CASH

05:29:17.407,05:29:21.185
FLOW OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS
AND THAT’S WHAT I THINK WE CAN
EXPECT TO SEE IN JUNE, IS HOW

05:29:21.187,05:29:26.860
WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, USE
THIS MONEY, AND HOW THE CASH
WILL FLOW THROUGH ALL THE

05:29:26.862,05:29:30.831
DIFFERENT PROJECTS OVER THE
COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
TO ACCOMMODATE THE HIGHEST AND

05:29:30.833,05:29:38.342
BEST USES OF THIS MONEY, AND
HOPEFULLY THE ANDREW DAVIDSON
BUILDING CAN BE CONSIDERED AS

05:29:38.344,05:29:43.919
PART OF THAT.
THANK YOU.
>> NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE OR

05:29:43.921,05:29:47.857
ANYTHING ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> RISK OF BEATING A DEAD

05:29:47.859,05:29:57.165
HORSE I THOUGHT THE BEAUTY OF
THE KRIPS LIST ENABLES US IN
TIME OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A

05:29:57.167,05:30:01.034
PREEXISTING OBJECTIVELY
DERIVED PROFESSIONALLY
PREPARED SET OF PRIORITIES FOR

05:30:01.036,05:30:07.532
THE CITY SO THAT WE WERE NOT
VULNERABLE TO THE ISSUE OF THE
DAY, AND THAT IN FACT, THIS

05:30:07.534,05:30:12.037
WAS THE ESSENCE OF GOOD
ADMINISTRATIVE WORK AND I WILL
JUST MAKE THAT POINT AND SIT

05:30:12.039,05:30:18.042
DOWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ALDERMAN, POOTMANS, THANK

05:30:18.044,05:30:20.415
YOU.
ALDERMAN MAR DO YOU WANT TO
CLOSE.

05:30:20.417,05:30:25.256
ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED ARE
WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?

05:30:25.258,05:30:30.767
MAR, CAN YOU OPPOSE SOMETHING
THAT YOU MOVED?
OKAY, MAR AND COLLEY-URQUHART

05:30:30.769,05:30:37.478
THEN ARE OPPOSED.
RECOMMENDATIONS AS AMENDED.
OKAY.

05:30:37.480,05:30:42.849
ALL RIGHT, SO ALDERMAN MAR AND
COLLEY-URQUHART ARE OPPOSED.
OKAY.

05:30:42.851,05:30:47.958
THAT TAKES US –
OH, SORRY ALDERMAN POOTMANS
WERE YOU OPPOSED.

05:30:47.960,05:30:53.398
WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL.
I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN’T SEE YOUR HAND.

05:30:53.400,05:30:57.303
>> ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED
ALDERMAN DEMONG?
>> YES.

05:30:57.305,05:31:02.834
>> ALDERMAN FARRELL?
SORRY.
ALDERMAN HODGES?

05:31:02.836,05:31:07.343
ALDERMAN JONES?
ALDERMAN KEATING?
>> YES.

05:31:07.345,05:31:10.377
>> ALDERMAN LOWE?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MacLEOD?

05:31:10.379,05:31:16.148
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN MAR?
ALDERMAN PINCOTT?

05:31:16.150,05:31:19.744
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> NO.

05:31:19.746,05:31:23.210
>> ALDERMAN STEPHENSON.
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> YES.

05:31:23.212,05:31:26.716
>> ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> YES.
>> ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART?

05:31:26.718,05:31:32.760
>> NO.
>>> MAYOR NENSHI?
MAYOR NENSHI.

05:31:32.762,05:31:39.455
THANK YOU.
CARRIED.
>> THAT TAKES US THEN TO

05:31:39.457,05:31:45.663
NOTICES OF MOTION I BELIEVE.
SO WE’LL GO TO 99.1.1 COUNCIL
TAX CANCELLATION FOR THE

05:31:45.665,05:31:54.751
CALGARY FOLK FESTIVAL.
ALDERMAN CARRA?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:31:54.753,05:31:59.892
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
THIS IS JUST AS YOU GUYS KNOW
FESTIVAL HALL, THE

05:31:59.894,05:32:07.665
HEADQUARTERS OF THE CALGARY
FOLK MUSIC FESTIVAL IS BEING
BUILT IN THE COMMUNITY OF

05:32:07.667,05:32:11.232
ENGEL WOOD.
IT HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF
FUNDING FROM A LOT OF LEVELS

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OF GOVERNMENT.
SPECIFICALLY FROM CITY COUNCIL,
PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE IN

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THEIR WISDOM GRANNED IT $1.8
31 MILLION –
GRANTED.

05:32:23.614,05:32:31.183
IT IS A SPECTACULAR ADDITION
TO THE CITY’S CULTURAL VENUES.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE

05:32:31.185,05:32:36.654
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FESTIVAL
HALL IS HERE IN CASE THERE IS
ANY QUESTIONS.

05:32:36.656,05:32:43.329
THE BASIC PROBLEM IS AS A NOT
FOR PROFIT SOCIETY ONCE
OPERATING THIS BUILDING, ONCE

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IT’S BUILT, IT WILL BE TAX
EXEMPT, PROPERTY TAX EXEMPT
BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, IT IS

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NOT, AND THEY ARE GETTING HIT
FOR OVER $20.000 A YEAR AS
THEY BUILD IT AND AS YOU KNOW,

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CONSTRUCTION, WHEN YOU ARE –
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE
BUILDING A NOT FOR PROFIT

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FACILITY IS ALWAYS TIGHT, AND
THE FEAR OF COST OVERRUNS IS
ALWAYS THERE, AND SIN WE ARE

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GIVING WITH ONE HAND, –
SINCE WE ARE GIVING WITH ONE
HAND I DON’T SEE WHY WE SHOULD

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CLAW BACK.
THIS NOTICE OF MOTION HAS BEEN
WRITTEN IN CONSUMPTION WITH –

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CONJUNCTION WITH THE
ASSESSMENT OFFICE TO ENSURE
THAT WE ARE NOT EXPOSING THE

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CITY TO ANY UNDUE RISK FROM
PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF
PAYING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES IN

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ANY OTHER WAY.
AND I HOPE WE CAN –
IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I’M

05:33:35.390,05:33:42.760
SURE WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME
UP.
OTHERWISE, I ASK YOU FOR YOUR

05:33:42.762,05:33:49.071
SUPPORT OF THIS CANCELLING THE
PROPERTY TAX FOR FESTIVAL
HALL.

05:33:49.073,05:33:51.904
>> THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE ALDERMAN LOWE WAS
FIRST TO THE GUN ON SECONDING

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THIS ONE.
AND JUST TO 100% CONFIRM WHAT
YOU JUST SAID, ONCE IT’S DONE,

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IT WOULD BE PROPERTY TAX
EXEMPT BUT DUE IT A STRANGE
LOOPHOLE IN THE LAW THEY HAVE

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TO PAY PROPERTY TAX DURING THE
TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AND YOUR
MOTION IS FOR ONE YEAR ONLY TO

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GET RID OF THE PROPERTY TAX
BECAUSE THEY WOULDN’T PAY IT
ONCE THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED.

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OKAY, THANK YOU.
ALDERMAN POOTMANS?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

05:34:18.483,05:34:23.978
THAT GOES PARTWAY.
IT IS A PROVINCIAL PROGRAM, IS
IT NOT?

05:34:23.980,05:34:30.287
WHAT CITY POLICY GUIDES NEWS
THIS AREA WHEN WE MAKE
DECISIONS LIKE THIS?

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>> COUNCIL PRECEDENT.
>> BOY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: BY AND

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LARGE, BY AND LARGE, MOST
COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT NOT
PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ARE

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MOVING INTO, IT’S NOT THAT
COMMON.
IT’S NOT UNCOMMON BUT IT’S NOT

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THAT COMMON FOR THEM TO BE
BUILDING FROM THE GROUND UP.
TYPICALLY THEY ARE MOVING INTO

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STUFF THAT THEY ARE RENOVATING
AND SO ON AND SO IT SEEMS THAT
THE EXEMPTION DOESN’T REALLY

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LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO ARE
BUILDING SOMETHING NEW IN THE
SAME WAY.

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YOU KNOW, AND I SHOULDN’T GO
TOO MUCH FURTHER ON THIS
BECAUSE WE’LL GET HYPOTHETICAL.

05:35:05.017,05:35:10.922
OFTEN TIMES THEY ARE BUILT ON
CITY OWNED LAND SO IT IS
EASIER SITUATION.

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THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT.
>> THIS ONE IN THE FUTURE WILL
BE TAX EXEMPT.

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>> BECAUSE OF THE USE.
AS SOON AS IT’S IN A
NON-PROFIT USE, THEN THE

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PROVISIONS APPLY.
SINCE IT’S A CONSTRUCTION SITE
RIGHT NOW NOT A CONCERT HALL

05:35:27.595,05:35:30.790
THE PROVISIONS DON’T APPLY.
>> IT’S FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION
PERIOD THAT WE ARE LOOKING

05:35:30.792,05:35:32.123
FOR.
THIS IS NOT –
OKAY.

05:35:32.125,05:35:37.598
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I KNOW
A BIT CONFUSING AND JUST HAD

05:35:37.600,05:35:40.764
IT EXPLAINED TO ME.
I’M REPEATING NOW.
ALDERMAN MacLEOD?

05:35:40.766,05:35:45.943
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
MY QUESTION WAS NOT DISSIMILAR
TO YOURS WITH RESPECT TO THE

05:35:45.945,05:35:50.043
TIME PERIOD.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS
A ONE-YEAR PERIOD AND THAT THE

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TOTAL EXEMPTION IS $22,1 OF
4.50.
– 22164.5037

05:35:59.159,05:36:02.626
>> I BELIEVE THAT’S WHAT IT
SAYS.
>> YES.

05:36:02.628,05:36:07.694
>> YOU ARE ASKING WILL WE BE
LIABLE NEXT YEAR.
>> I THINK WHAT ALDERMAN CARRA

05:36:07.696,05:36:13.064
WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THE
BUILDING CYCLE.
I WANT A CEILING PUT ON THE

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AMOUNT.
I’M CLARIFYING IS THAT THE
TOTAL AMOUNT.

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IF THIS GOES OVER WILL WE BE
COMING BACK AGAIN?
>> I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR

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THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN, LET’S
SAY CONSTRUCTION TOOK MUCH
LONGER, ALDERMAN CARRA WOULD

05:36:26.523,05:36:30.905
BE BACK.
>> OKAY.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi:

05:36:30.907,05:36:35.972
PERHAPS CAN JUST NOD.
THE IDEA IS THAT IT WILL BE IN
USE IN 2012, RIGHT?

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OKAY.
YOU ARE WELL ON TRACK AND ON
CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, OKAY.

05:36:39.275,05:36:43.006
>> OKAY.
SO WE DON’T NEED TO PUT ANY
DIFFERENT CEILING ON THIS TO

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ALLOW OURSELVES –
OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.

05:36:47.521,05:36:53.659
ALDERMAN CHABOT?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
WELL, I DON’T DISAGREE THAT

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IT’S CERTAINLY WITHIN OUR
PURVIEW TO FOREGO TAX –
MUNICIPAL TAX REVENUE.

05:37:00.426,05:37:04.359
JUST WONDERING HOW WE DEAL
WITH THE PROVINCIAL PORTION
BECAUSE WE CAN’T REALLY SAY

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THE PROVINCE WE WON’T GIVE YOU
THAT MONEY.
HOW DO WE DO THAT.

05:37:08.658,05:37:12.732
>> I JUST ASKED THAT QUESTION
TOO.
I WILL LET Mr. TO BEER TELL

05:37:12.734,05:37:16.833
YOU.
>> WHAT HAPPENS AND I ASKED
THIS QUESTION MYSELF OF OTHERS,

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WE WILL NOT COLLECT THIS TAX
FROM THIS TAXPAYER.
WE’LL COLLECT IT FROM ALL

05:37:22.512,05:37:27.174
OTHER TAXPAYERS.
>> SO WE ARE STILL OBLIGATED
TO PAY THE PROVINCE THIS

05:37:27.176,05:37:30.240
AMOUNT?
>> PROVINCE GETS THEIR MONEY.
>> JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON

05:37:30.242,05:37:33.471
THAT.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE
APPROVING HERE.

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THANK YOU.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: THANKS,

05:37:36.482,05:37:40.084
ALDERMAN CHABOT.
ALDERMAN CARRA, DID YOU WANT
TO CLOSE?

05:37:40.086,05:37:46.643
>> CLOSED.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: ON
NOTICE OF MOTION 2011-15 ARE

05:37:46.645,05:37:50.146
WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALDERMAN COLLEY-URQUHART IS

05:37:50.148,05:37:55.481
OPPOSED.
CARRIED.
NOTICE OF MOTION 2011-16 MOVED

05:37:55.483,05:38:02.364
TO IN CAMERA SECTION, BYLAW
TABULATIONS.
VERY EXCITING.

05:38:02.366,05:38:14.788
SO WE HAVE GOT SEVERAL OF
THESE SO WE’LL START WITH –
>> I WILL MOVE 3 B, 4 B, 5 B.

05:38:14.790,05:38:17.429
>> THANK YOU.
>> FIRST THREE.
>> ALL.

05:38:17.431,05:38:20.841
>> 19 M.
>> AND THEN 19 M.
>> I HAVE TO CALL THEM

05:38:20.843,05:38:28.242
SEPARATE.
>> OKAY.
>> SO THEN ON 3 B, 2011 SECOND

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READING ARE WE AGREED.
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED.
SORRY, SORRY.

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BACK UP.
2 B 2011 ARE WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED.

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ALDERMAN DEMONG AND CHABOT
OPPOSED.
THIRD READING.

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ALDERMAN DEMONG AND CHABOT
OPPOSED.
SECOND READING ARE WE AGREED?

05:38:45.496,05:38:49.224
ANY OPPOSED?
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:38:49.226,05:38:55.371
OKAY.
5 B, 2011 SECOND READING ARE
WE AGREED.

05:38:55.373,05:38:59.507
ANY OPPOSED.
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED.

05:38:59.509,05:39:03.617
19 M, 2011 SECOND READING ARE
WE AGREED.
ANY OPPOSED?

05:39:03.619,05:39:07.121
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSED.
AND THIRD READING ARE WE
AGREED?

05:39:07.123,05:39:10.917
ANY OPPOSED.
ALDERMAN CHABOT IS OPPOSED.
OKAY.

05:39:10.919,05:39:17.062
THAT TAKES US THEN TO THE NEXT
PAGE OF MY AGENDA.
THANK YOU.

05:39:17.064,05:39:21.569
CAN YOU MOVE 7 B, 2011
ALDERMAN LOWE AS WELL.
HE HAS.

05:39:21.571,05:39:25.871
OKAY, GREAT.
MAY I BORROW THIS FOR A
SECOND.

05:39:25.873,05:39:36.085
7 B, 2011, 10.2,.1 SECOND
READING.
ARE WE OPPOSED?

05:39:36.087,05:39:40.320
THIRD READING.
DID FIRST READING ALREADY.
WE ONLY HAVE TO DO

05:39:40.322,05:39:44.526
AUTHORIZATION WHEN YOU DO
FIRST AND SECOND THIRD ON THE
SAME DAY.

05:39:44.528,05:39:47.423
NO PROBLEM.
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?

05:39:47.425,05:39:54.696
CARRIED.
AND 31 M, 2011 ATTAINABLE
HOMES CALGARY, SECOND READING

05:39:54.698,05:39:56.898
ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

05:39:56.900,05:39:59.365
THIRD READING ARE WE AGREED?
ANY OPPOSED?
CARRIED.

05:39:59.367,05:40:06.713
OKAY.
NOW THAT TAKES US TO URGENT
BUSINESS WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE

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A PURPLE COVER, REPORT, WHICH
IS NOTED THERE IS TWO OF THEM
I THINK.

05:40:13.327,05:40:19.517
THE FIRST IS AC-2011, 27,
ALDERMAN PINCOTT, DO YOU WANT
TO MOVE THAT ONE?

05:40:19.519,05:40:23.351
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK I WILL MOVE BOTH AT
THE SAME TIME IF YOU DON’T

05:40:23.353,05:40:28.894
MIND.
AS THEY ARE RELATED.
THIS IS THE CITY OF CALGARY’S

05:40:28.896,05:40:36.060
ANNUAL REPORT, AND OUR
EXTERNAL AUDITOR’S REPORT.
HAD A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION

05:40:36.062,05:40:42.203
LAST WEEK AT COMMITTEE ABOUT
THESE, AND SO I’M MOVING THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF COMMITTEE

05:40:42.205,05:40:49.375
ON BOTH THESE REPORTS.
>> Mayor Naheed Nenshi: I
HEARD ALDERMAN MacLEOD IS

05:40:49.377,05:40:52.646
SECONDING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALDERMAN CHABOT?

05:40:52.648,05:40:58.413
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
WELL, ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING

05:40:58.415,05:41:09.324
TO BE MORE THAN A COUPLE.
MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING
ABLE TO BE FIRST OF ALL.

05:41:09.326,05:41:15.630
ON PAGE 30 OF 95.
30 OF 95.
>> 30 OF 95.

05:41:15.632,05:41:23.302
>> 30 OF 95.
>> THERE IS BUDGET ACTUAL,
FAVOURABLE, UNFAVOURABLE AND

05:41:23.304,05:41:29.874
SO I SEE ALL THESE
UNFAVOURABLES ON THE RIGHT
HAND COLUMN, WHICH SIGNIFIED

05:41:29.876,05:41:38.051
BY BRACKETS.
AT THE BOTTOM, a.m. IS
279.723.

05:41:38.053,05:41:45.963
IT’S NOT IN BRACKETS.
DOES THAT MEAN IT’S
FAVOURABLE?

05:41:45.965,05:41:50.472
>> (Inaudible).
– TALKING ABOUT AS WE ASK
Mr. SAWYER TO ANSWER THAT

05:41:50.474,05:41:53.439
QUESTION.
>> YES.
I’M JUST LOOKING AT THAT, AND

05:41:53.441,05:41:57.810
IT APPEARS TO ME IT SHOULD BE
BRACKETED.
JUST GOING TO CHECK THE FINAL

05:41:57.812,05:42:08.495
COPY.
>> IT DOES ADD UP IF YOU GO
FOR THE UNFAVOURABLE.

05:42:08.497,05:42:18.796
DOESN’T SEEM TO WORK OUT FOR
THE FAVOURABLE SIDE.
I’M USING ONE FROM AUDIT

05:42:18.798,05:42:23.635
COMMITTEE.
>> I KNOW, CLEARLY –
THE ONLY REASON –

05:42:23.637,05:42:27.445
IT’S A GOOD CATCH, ALDERMAN
CHABOT, AND GLAD THAT YOU
CAUGHT IT.

05:42:27.447,05:42:31.823
I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY A
DIFFERENT NUMBER THAN THE
NUMBER THERE.

05:42:31.825,05:42:35.053
>> TO BE CLEAR ON SOMETHING,
I’M USING THE ONE FROM THE
AUDIT.

05:42:35.055,05:42:39.594
NOT THE ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY
DISTRIBUTED.
THERE HAS BEEN SLIGHT

05:42:39.596,05:42:43.201
AMENDMENTS I THINK.
>> I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOME
BRACKETS THERE.

05:42:43.203,05:42:49.238
>> OKAY.
>> IT APPEARS WE ARE MISSING
BRACKETS AND WE’LL CATCH THOSE

05:42:49.240,05:42:53.244
IN THE FINAL VERSION.
THANK YOU.
>> WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT,

05:42:53.246,05:42:59.848
IF I MAY, ON PAGE 53 OF 995
AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT A
MISTAKE BUT MAYBE ACTUALLY

05:42:59.850,05:43:07.657
WHAT IN FACT WHAT APPEARS TO
BE 97 YEAR INVESTMENT ON PAGE
53 OF 95 SAYS THE AVERAGE

05:43:07.659,05:43:14.037
YIELD EARNINGS MATURITY DATES
ON INVESTMENTS RANGE FROM 2011
TO 2108.

05:43:14.039,05:43:21.940
IS THAT RIGHT?
SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY –
>> PRETTY BIG GIC.

05:43:21.942,05:43:27.506
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE
IS AN INVESTMENT WITH
BASICALLY A HUNDRED YEARS OR

05:43:27.508,05:43:30.539
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THERE IS.
I’M NOT DISPUTING.

05:43:30.541,05:43:34.877
JUST WAN TODAY MAKE SURE THAT
IT WAS CORRECT.
BECAUSE DOES SEEM LIKE A

05:43:34.879,05:43:42.407
PRETTY LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

05:43:42.409,05:43:47.969
>> THAT WAS THE GIS THAT’S PUT
IN PLACE FOR ALDERMAN HODGES
RETIREMENT PARTY.

05:43:47.971,05:44:47.504
[ LAUGHTER ]
(PLEASE STAND BY)

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